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Reading profiles and peoples responses to topics here in the forums, I have began to wonder if there is a connection between "posers" and those that claim to be "evil"?

It seems from what I have seen that there are many that have taken on the persona of a vampire because they like being evil and they think that vampires are evil. Am I alone is this? Am I way off base here? Or is there somthing to this?

It all depends how you see vampires and evil.

But to say you're a vampire cause it's evil and cause it's evil is cool is something I will never stand.

I should explain what I mean by "Evil".

Evil = to willingly and intentionally cause harm or inijury to a person, place or thing with no regard to it.

Yes yes I know.

But still dislike to hear about people saying they're vampires cause they like to be evil.

That's a pet peeve I have.

You don't need to say you're a vampire to cause harm.

I know that there is a lot of emotion in this issue, and it can be touchy. I think though, that if you look at the issue closely, you really will see an age thing. I am not going to point fingers, but it does seem that some younger people want to part of the vampire culture, because they thing that it is cool. Now a lot of us may not like that, and feel that they are doing a diservice to us, but I also think that as the younger members get older, and more experienced, they will see things differently.

you will mainly find that those profile are created by younger people who are just rebelling and want to be tough. they arent eveil ,they are funny

I agree that you will find that predominately in the younger members' profiles. However, I believe when you are an impressionable young adult and find a course of study that speaks to you, you embrace it fully and with much passion. They are defined by the joys/sorrows in their lives, not being steered to identifying with "evil".

The purpose of a Resource and Directory, would be to educate these young ones. At least, the ones who want to learn. The others will fall away from the vampyric lifestyle once they discover they actually can't conjure demons or control minds, or that the world doesn't fear them because they wear fangs and dress in black.

It's that whole rebellious, angst-ridden, resenting authority, feeling like an outsider, hating the feeling that someone else has control over your life teen thing going on for the most part.

I have seen tons of profiles from kids ages 13-17 here prattling on about being dark and evil and satanic, about hating the world, their parents, loving death and hating life and so on.

Most of it is simply done because they think it's cool to claim to be something that they know will just annoy and anger the adults in their lives. If mom and dad hate the whole concept of vampires then they will want to be a vampire. If mom and dad hate loud music the next thing you know the kid is listening to death metal at an ear splitting volume.

Most of it is just a simple display of teen rebellion and a way of acting out their anger and resentment and trying to fit in somewhere in a way that will allow them to have some sort of outlet that they think will let them "be themselves" while annoying the living hell out of the adults in their lives.

Some will grow up and grow out of it. Some will actually get a better understanding of all these things that they rattle on about being, and decide if any of it is right for them or just a phase they will eventually grow tired of and decide to move on from.

Though it would be interesting to come back in about 5 years and see how many of these kids with "dark, evil, satan, 666, death" and so on in their nicks, who claim to be pagan,wiccan,satanist,vampire and so on still feel the same way that they do now. Somehow I don't think most of them will.

In the mean time I guess we can just sort of think of this as a field trip to Jr and Sr high when we deal with them, and treat them like we would any other teenager in our lives who is hating life at the moment and wanting to rebel against any forum of authority and what is the accepted norm in society.

If we are lucky a lot of these kids will get some good information, interact with some decent people and come out of their time here a lot better then they were when they came in.

If we are lucky....

*looks at El*

Now the funny part is that WE are the type of parents that can;

A) See through the BS
B)Have been there done that
C)Know about the llifestyle
D)"Freak" out our own kids
E)Are "the kewl" parents

If our kids want to rebel, they would listen to Britney or Christina or what ever tramp or "thug gangsta" is in now.

*grinz evilly*

Which would explain my daughter's britney spears, spice girls phase a few years back lol. Thank god the girl got her taste in music back since then!

Well, I just wanted to say that I agree with everything stated. It probably IS a phase that they are going through- I remember being in high school.. and I will admit, doing the grunge thing (when I wasn't into it) smoking to be cool (though then, I coughed every time and blamed it on the cold lol) and yet at home, I was terrified of rebelling there... my father could be a mean s.o.b.

Evil in their eyes.. it can mean many things, and I wouldn't presume to know what these kids are going through. I also know that when I was in high school, I was fascinated with the darker side of life, but was too goody goody and scared to do anything about it. Plus, looking back, most of those kids are now white collar workers-lol... it doesnt matter.

I agree that it is a phase, and we hope that given 5 or 10 years, maturity and more knowledge will help them decide what and how they truly are...

I feel that good and evil are subjective to the individual themselves.

largely those profiles are angsty teens who haven't quite come to an understanding that there is more to this life than to wear black and spikes....
some of them will learn it and grow with time...but many will just await the next fad and move along....all we need is patience and the will go away

personally i agree with you and also i say that i am not a vampire nor to i intentionally pretend to be one or act as one. but there is definatly an increase in those who do and it is increaseingly annoying also.

Posers are just what they are. They are "pretend" evil.

This is a subject that is kinda obvious. They see Vampires on the TV and want to be like them. Yes it is the younger generation, but as long as they are happy.

Personally I do think there's a 'good' or 'bad' fixation as so many people think.
Of course, this is a personal, humble opinion. I just know there's a bit of a vampiric essance in me-- no flying or anything of that sort.
I feel that also it's a well-linked with my Wiccan/family lineage as well.

i am neither a vampire in real life or evil. but i am fascinated by vampires.

As a 17-year-old (currently... and that will change, I know, I'm not going to be this young forever) who is interested in vampires and the gothic/ alternative lifestyle, I have learned to respect. I might not dress all in black every single day of my life (I do have to wear black when I work tech for a theatre show), I may not dye my hair hot pink/ lime green/ black/ bright purple/ electric blue like I was planning on when I was younger (as I have to find work somewhere other than Hot Topic, darn the luck) but I do have some Goth in me. Mostly pirate (not that I've been on a boat more than three hours at a time), but I heart my blacks, my eyeliners, my chains, and my music. I am accepting, if nothing else.

I know what it's like to feel like I'm being stared at because I'm different. I partially didn't want to join this site because I was worried that I wasn't going to fit in because I wasn't the Daughter of Satan (see Little Goth Girl @ www.matazone.co.uk for more details) and I wasn't going to claim to be a vampire, myself, because I'm not (yet... there's always hope that Lestat could be in my city someday!). I just like vamps, and that's what this site is, a commonality for vampire lovers.

I believe that in a/ the Gothic Community, it is a lot easier to talk about pain and loss, and that's the beauty of it. To be able to see something that is not living and find it alluring and precious is something that is not accepted in society. I don't want to hurt, but if I am hurting, I write a poem. People don't want to read it because it is depressing, but I post it on a Gothic site, and I am understood. Like everyone else, I think "posers" want to belong somewhere. I think it's great that there are elders (at least at this site) who will talk and be honest about things and make sure the younger generation is on the right path. Sure, it gets annoying (read the first issue of 'I Feel Sick' for a joust at the poser crowd) when you feel like you can't communicate with someone because they are trying to be someone they're not, but that's part of growing up, finding people you connect with.

Before I write a Dr. Phil book, I'll stop. Enjoy the rest of your night!

The Cap'n

Good post Cap'n

You are here not as a claimer to be something you're not but becasue you have an interest in something and are obviously willling to learn what you can....the poseur is more those who claim to be what theyre not to fit in with a group.

The ones who want to learn will always be accepted y me as they have a mind willing to listen, soesn't matter if they are or are not vamp........the ones who claim it and then post utter garbage and show their ignorance every time they type a word are the ones who tend to annoy.....

hope you have fun here.....

Cap'n, it's wonderful to hear a viewpoint like yours.

One question to bring some things to light...how often do the 15-yr-old "evil vampires" get any further than signing up? There's not much here for them to enjoy...can't raise rank easily without being part of the community, and that's not what they're here for.

All I can think about when I see a profile like that is "Well, I probably won't see that name in a house/in the forums"...

Additionally...

I wish I could follow one. A young individual claiming to be a vampire, a witch/warlock, etc. in these days. I want to see what they turn out to be like as adults. What's the next phase they go through? How do they look back on this phase?

Over 500 profile outta nowhere, and then you have a lot of people trying to turn VR into a chatroom- good post- I don't think Vampires are nesc. evil, another portailal of hollywood
-love zani

Good post cap,and you wrote very nice well about the gothic comunity but it was asked why should they claim to be vampires cause it's evil.

I didn't want to join at first cause I tought you had to be in the vampiric lifestyle but than said screw lets join ansdd see what it is.

And from than on I didn't regret it.

And let's forget the wearing black and spikes thing.Even I wear them sometimes but they're not the things that I care about.There arte more important things in life that I think about.

What I have to wear in the morning or if I have to do eye liner or not are the least things I give a damn about!

Like it was said it is a phase.Let them have fun until they grow up.

However I can't understand all this angstish thing.If they had to live alone and work a crappy job,and pay the taxes and bills,they would have more reasons to be angstish.Most of them live with filty rich parents and have no good reason to be so angstish.I was and maybe still am angstish myself but I had good reasons to do so.I'm not a mama's or daddy's girl like most are!

I think there is a connection.....but me personally....I don't like vampyres cause they are evil or what ever.....I like the sensuality of the idea of sucking someone's blood.......it is so personal like sex

to me, I see all these people, joining these type of groups (goth/ vampire/ punk/ whatever) thinking that they're noncomformists. Then they dress just like everyone else, talk like everyone else, and basically they conform.
it makes me laugh sometimes.

True or talk about individuality.

Blooddraken,


Good Point in your post, It is ironic, to think that their joining is really a form of conforming. Great irony

I don't have any problem with people saying they are goths/vampires/satanists whatever, when they say that they think they are being different, while at the same time conforming to the dress/style/musical taste etc of their chosen group. All they mean by saying that they are different is that quite often they don't know many people or even anyone else in real life who shares their chosen lifestyle. Its only natural that they will seek them out on the internet, unless they are that rare person who truly wants to be so different that nobody will identify with them. But presumably we dont get people like that on here

So many things depend on how open minded you are, how you get introduced to things, how intelligent you are at the time, how young and impressionable, and what emotional state you are in at the time…lots of elements and things in the mix
For me, I always walked alone but had acquaintance with people from all different walks of life…I rebelled from myself verses from outside things,
Vampire ways were of course first in books and movies but then a very wonderful intelligent and highly unusual person made it something I would consider much more associated with life and how sweet this voyage is and life eternal …but also it was introduced as a very sensual and intimate thing. The people I have spoken with who are younger than I from New Orleans, Los Angeles and Europe also feel that in today’s disease ridden world after being tested for diseases and being in a very intimate relationship and for a long time the sharing of a ceremony involving vampire customs is very very beautiful and not evil or anything of the sort.
But done of course like sex, responsibly, tested, and with a partner you want to be tied to for awhile, they are very cautious and reserved about certain things but very much into the fact that it is a sharing almost in a much more intimate level than even sex.
Having courage to walk your own path is often hard to find in a conforming society, although evil is to each different, many can be hurt when one chooses to stand alone.
Or to stand for what one believes in.
Again that is my point of view from my corner of the universe. Eternal bliss to all

true evil would not view it's actions to be evil........... that is the view of it's opposition

so would the mark of a 'poser' be "I love to be evil!" seeing the action in the perspective of the supposed 'good' but seeing these actions as cool.............???

Do I think I'm evil? Yes, I have caused harm to others for pleasure. Do I think it's cool? Perhaps. But I do not do it for reaction, I do it for myself. Do I belive I am a poser? No. However, I doubt posers belive they are posers. Is there a real description that you can apply to someone that would make them a poser? I can't really think of one. You can only defend your actions and claim your not a poser. But who is the real authority when it comes to deciding this? A poser is described as someone who acts a certain way so others will like them and think he/she is cool. But what proof do you have that this person does things for those reasons? Unless you posess the ability to read minds, you really have nothing.

"So It Is Written, So It Shall Come To Pass, Quoth The Raven, Nevermore..."

I don't believe that things should be considered good or evil at all.... especially not in the sense that if it's "evil" it's "cool". but i have noticed a fair amount of profiles, particularly of young people, claiming they are evil, and one noteable one saying they were "the second beast and aliester crowley was the first".... that I found immature....

most are generall y laughable anyway, but if it wasn't this, it would be something else, so maybe while they are trying to be a part of the fashion show witht he big kids, they will learn something as well and be better for it

i agree i am still young but i hav taken a big fasination in vampire since i waz even younger but lookin at sum profiles i do feel there iz sum kids who like to do it for the attention and just 2 piss ppl off
xx

ur right...some people pose...god there annoying....u have to be born on the dark side...u can turn over but...never be full dark

I think people need to remember that vampire is not synonimous with evil. Also there are many forms of evil. I do not claim to be a vampire. If you read my profile you will know that. Alternate imaginations and personalities are wonderful things. They also let you vent a lot better when you are stuck in places like hell, i mean asscrackistan, truely Afghanistan.

Shalina's Creator

there could be a simularity...but do they take the persona to be evil or to cause fear in others? It's not necessarily the same.

I feel that those who join these communities to rebel or to validate what they see as 'evil' are the very ones who drag the real vampire community down. I don't know for sure, but from my experience most vampires don't see it as evil. They understand their condition and most use their talents ethically.
As for the kids who claim they're goth to rebel, they should remember that if they associate themselves with any group, it means they aren't different.
And as for Hot Topic, the kids who shop there to rebel should remember that it's owned by THE GAP!!!!!!
This post is getting a little irrelevant so I'll quit while I'm ahead.

There are different people in this world. theres the attention getters, possers, and those who are willing to be real. Evil has a small part in why people claim to be vampires.
1. Vampires will kill to stay alive.
2. Vampires were cursed and will condem those who critisize them.
3. Vampires do not get thrills from killing there prey and tareing them apart and doing wicked shit. Those who proclaim to be Vampires and like doing that are considered frauds to me.

You seem to be misunderstanding what vampires are. Real vampires are not undead beings. They are not cursed. They are people like you and I, only they have a lack of energy that requires them to consume blood or prana. Generally, vampires wouldn't kill their prey. Please do a little research before you accuse vampires of these things. I know a few, and they would take offense at what you are saying.

not knowing the people who suggest that they are vampyres because of being evil or such, i can just assume that they are calling out for attention or trying to look to. those who truly are vampyeres you will notice, they dont bring attention to themselves or yell out "hey im evil, deal with it"
for is not everyone in the world part evil? we all have a good side and a bad side...

I am not here to claim anything I am not evil nor am I good either I believe that I am who I am regardless of my fascinations with vampyres or even knowing I am one but there are no labels on me and I do not believe in hiding ones dark side or good side its all just to whatever the circumstances are ~NFA

i think in all the discussion about angst and rebellion and posers and such it is also important to remember this:

true evil is just that.

it exists to serve its own purpose. it requires no reason validation or justification

it also requires no mask and no categorization.

it is completely and utterly self-serving and takes whatever form provides the quickest means to its own ends.

vampirism as an excuse for evil defeats its own purpouse, and hte most i can see is "vampires" who say that have become such as a cover for petty maliciousness. while such persons may eventually, if unchecked and uninfluenced, go on to become something more "evil" i believe that in the end they would stray away from true vampirism into whatever suits them best. but to most who claim such things it is just a game

you know I find the people that find vampire and witch evil are no better than magical bigots. Nuff said.

ahhh yes
not every thing you said is true and i take that to offense

oh and one more thing get your facts straight

Depends on the type of vampire in my eyes as well.

If there are true vampires; and by that I mean undead people walking around drinking blood from humans and living any kind of life from graveyard hauntings to the romanticied hollywood vampire. Then they might very well just be evil demon like creatures...

there arn't unless they are demonic

I'm keeping an eye on this thread, if it degenerates into an argument the offender's will be left outside in the sun to dry ;)

Nice informative post btw Cap'n, thankyou for your views :)

A vampire is not necceseraly evil

No... not all vampires are "evil".

Haven't you heard of the movie "Blade"?

Blade is a what is called a "day walker" vampire and he hunts other vampires to save the city of New York.

I think if you notice, the ones who always state that they hate posers and claim themselves to be evil are all under 18. I mean no offense to the younger crowd on VR, granted I'm only 24...but alot of them seem to play into this preconcieved notion that you have to be evil or act or dress a certain way to be a vampire.

Well hmmmm, nice topic...I myself am all I claim to be with all my eternal heart and all my eternal soul.

It depends on your view point of what evil really is because each persons perception on it is very differant.

Depends on your description of evil and if you relate vampirism to evil.

well um i;m gonna have to come back to this one because i so don't want to think right now but i all i want to say is that posers do not exist...

a 'poser' is a person trying to change who they are to become someone who they know they are...even ppl who try to become something they're not are not posers but are phasers...

yeah i just made that up...like that huh?

so going on my lil theory those ppl who are taking on the persona of a vamp simply because they want to be evil or at least seem evil...are phasers...yeah

and yeah i agree with you...yeah...by you i mean the person who started this thread...

so going on my lil theory those ppl who are taking on the persona of a vamp simply because they want to be evil or at least seem evil...are phasers...yeah

and yeah i agree with you...yeah...by you i mean the person who started this thread...

I'll stay out of this budding argument. It will probably never be resolved because a lot of people, mostly young people, sadly, don't quite understand or refuse to believe what real vampires are. My opinion and those of others may never be the same.

agreed

I don't know about this but if anybody wants to agree with me alot of vampires are evil but there are few that showed sympathy and let humans go but I think this theory of vampires being evil is and isn't true being most may be evil but there are still few that aren't

In my experience, I've never met a true vampire that was evil. There are a number of books in circulation on ethical practices for a reason. Many vampires obviously feel guilty about what they do. They generally aren't evil. It's as simple as that.

Vampires are hunters, were they "real" they would be no more evil than a fox, or a wolf, or any other hunting creature, they do what they do to survive the way they need to.

That being said, a lot of youngsters identify with them because of the dark sensuality they are portrayed as having, there is definitely something "sexy" about the dark/gothic scene, even i see it and adore it. However, i dont see the need to dress like everyone else and proclaim myself "goth" to appreciate it

eh yeah