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i was talking to a vr member and the subject came up can you be a christian and a vampire? i just wanted to here what everybody thought

it depend on ur views of christianity, and vampires

Vampires have choices. I believe that they can have a religion that does not consist of an evil mentality. After all not all Vampires are evil.

Beliefs are as varied as people.

Some people say you can't believe in evolution and be Christian...

... others say that the Creationists are heretics...

... with that backdrop, does the proposition seem so far fetched?

I really don't see why not actualy... Vampirism can mix with just about anything in reality... Just depends on the person involved and what they are comfy with.

I'm a christain but not a vampire, I just have a fascination with them. I don't see why you couldn't be both.

I don't see why not. If a vampire wants to follow the Christian faith, more power to them.

You can follow whatever your heart tells you too. There are more spiritual people on here than I have ever met in my life..

I do believe they can.

Its believing somone died for their evils THey have commited...
How does that conflict with vampirism?

I find no incompatibilities or conflicts between vampirism & christianism...I'm christian & fascinated with vampirism, the more I think about it, the more I convince myself they have many way of co-existing within the same being...

it's not contradicting. i practice vampirism and i am a strong christian. aslong as they are equal then they can coexist

I agree i myself am a christian, and yet i see no reason in why a vamp couldn't indeed be a christian, or a christian be interested in vampirism.

In some ways you can be a christain. Because we are apart of the great divide. God is always in your life whether you be a christian or a vampire.~NFA

i am a vampire and somewhat christian but i guess for the most part i am pagan but i do believe in god

Okay firstly as a Christian do you read your Bible?
IN the Bible it is clearly stated that Yaweh/Jehovah/whatever you want to call God does not approve of the taking of Blood. Blood in the BIble is a sacred thing. The Bible also condemes anything to do with Spiritualism Dark Magiks etc. It is in the Bible associated with Satn/Devil?Lucifer whatever you want to name it.

If you look at it like that then NO you cant be both.

Personaly i think you can claim to be what the hell you like as long as you dont push it down other peoples throats. I do however also think that whatever you claim to be, make sure you know what your talking about, dont rely on other people to give you their opinion.

Life is all about learning lessons and using those lessons wether to your advantage or detriment is entirely a personal choice.

Sorry if this sounds like a rant but i do get annoyed when people ask can you be Christian and this that and the other . Read your Bible if you claim to be Christian. Its all in there if you look.

I would rather be a vampire than a chritian , but with falling church attendants lets give them a small break lol

It is true that the bible says that about the blood being wrong yes but there are some vamps who do not drink blood or work with dark in any form.There are those who can be christian and practice vampiric ways without the whole blood deal going.

According to christian religions the practices of vampires in the legend sense would not be accepted. The practices of true vampires I cannot attest for.

I know lots of vampires who are christian. So Yes you can. Religion is your choice, vampirism isn't.

Though in the Bible it may mention that the taking of blood and magick are evil, the book itself is very metaphorical. I'll have to find those passages and read them. One has to remember that the Bible was written at a time where there were a lot of barbaric practices still going on, and many of the messages portrayed were intended to keep everyone on the same path. Just my opinion on the matter. I don't see why anyone couldn't be both. As long as one is ethical in their practices, I don't see why they should be condemned.

While it is true that I am ordained, I would be hard pressed to say I am of one type of organized religion. I have studied many.
I find it surprising that this is really a question. A state of physical being has nothing to do with your spiritual beliefs.
Unless we are talking of fictional vampires, I can't see any reason that a vampire couldn't be Christian or any other religion.well, other than that whole 'drinking the blood of another' thing that can be seen as canniblism and that is a big 'no-no' in many religions. Unless you are drinking the blood of Christ. That's ok.

As a human you have a brain- with that we have free will, that means you are allowed to believe whatever you want. Even if organizations disagree with you. You don't have to be a part of a sect to have claim the titles.

I am also an ordained minister with no specific affiliation.

Imagesinwords, have to disagree with this statement:
"Even if organizations disagree with you. You don't have to be a part of a sect to have claim the titles. "
This would be true if you don't care that those titles bear no authority. Just because I call myself the Pope, doesn't make it so.

Well that's not what I meant. What I meant is that you could be ex-communcated or something but still be a Christian. People do not dictate what you feel you are. Does that make sense? You don't have to go to church to be a follower, and worship. You can do that privately.

When I said 'title'- I didn't mean titles like the Pope. I meant religions/beliefs, not as in claims to be authoritarian figures.

I have this personal Belief about vampires . if a vampire were chrstian or more period apropriate Catholic this is the only reason the cross would affect them or why they would have trouble entering a church. I think a Muslim that became a vampire would have problems with the temple not a christian church

I understand what you mean now, Imagesinwords. I agree that you can still have the beliefs and do whatever rituals are required to be faithful to the religion without being attached to the organization proper.

Re -reading the Thread it is one of those questions where to begin with you would have to get the ''what is a vampire'' out of the way.
Now why am i laughing.

For me yes,why not?

If a person practices vampirism she is still a person therefore she can believe and practice whatever religion she wants.

My responding arguement to this is....

I am christian, and I dont just mean a wittle :) A friend of mine went to cem collage we sit around drinking coffee haveing in depth talks about the bible faith, and points of view on christian philosphy all the time!

Hehehe.... bet cha none of you would have guess I was a card carrying bible loven christian :) If I can do it! any one can!

Just because your of the condition doesn't mean you can't be a christian or any other religion the revears God or any other aspect of God.

- Sin

well vampirism is a life style not a relgion to some extent (my personal opinion)

The partaking of blood is not forbidden by Christians. This misunderstanding comes from an incorrect understanding of Leviticus and dietary laws. More specifically a misunderstanding of Mosaic Law by groups who claim to be Christian but are not.

Quick explanation on Christian: A Christian is defined not just as believing in Jesus Christ. If that was the case, then Ba'hais and Muslims would technically be classified as Christians. The Ba'hais believe that Christ was a great teacher, but no greater than others such as Buddha, Mohammed, etc. Islam holds that Jesus Christ was a great prophet but that Mohammed was the last and GREATEST prophet.

To be a Christian means that the believer MUST accept the Divinity of Christ, that HE is not born or created. In fact the single most important aspect of Christ is that the believer understand that Christ is the Incarnation of the Living God.

Thus, Christians are NOT bound by the dietary laws found in the Old Testament because Christ is the New Covenant. We find instances in the Bible where Christ actually broke Mosaic Law - and bear in mind that Christ was a Rabbi.

The misunderstanding and purposeful misreading of blood and partaking of it or receiving it into the body comes from groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses who speak a Christian "lingo" but do NOT accept the Divinity of Christ. The JWs are based upon the ancient belief of Arianism, which is considered heretical among all Trinitarian Christians - East and West.

In fact, it is impossible for anyone who consumes meat to avoid taking in blood. Tissue itself is infused with la sangra and thus all who would forbid the intaking of meat would have to either eat steak ultra well done, or be vegetarian.

I notice that MANY people seem to zero in on Christianity and how Christians feel, relate, and believe in revenants; in Vampires. We must look to broaden the scope to look upon the beliefs of non-Christians as well and their connection to the revenant. Hollywood, sadly, has forever linked the vampire to Christianity and in fact has largely cemented its archetype of the vampire into world consciousness.

Japan has done quite a bit in the anime area concerning Vampires; the classic being Vampire Hunter D. Yet, despite the fact that Japan's religious history is largely Shinto and other ancient beliefs - NONE of them Christian, still the Japanese use for the most part the Hollywood archetype that is inextricably linked to the revenant and specifically the vampire.

i belive they can be christian if they wanted or allmost anyother religion it really is all personal
values that make a person or vampire or anyother creature choose a religion

No one can say what a person is or isn't. Spirituality is the most personal attribute we have. It is inside you, and cannot be taken because another says it is not so. It's not for anyone to say but YOU.

wise word's mrs. and very true

Very well said VladVoivode, but I'll make a tiny point here, The Christ was a rabbi to his apostles & disciples, he wasn't recognized so by Judaic priest of the time, rather the contrary, he was considered rather a heretic which had to be smartly & carefully dealt with due to the sociopolitical situation at the time.

I also like to note how Ann Rice has for most of her (keep in mind fictional) writings comtemplated the subject of vamprism vis-a-vis christianism from many different points of view (hopes this would re-spark a discussion :P)

Vlad, that was totally well done. :)

I see a little problem here has with some other treads. Spiritualty and Religion are no way the same. It would be nice if it was but they are not in the real world as it spins now.

If Mother church says you are out, you are out. You can not rightfully say you still belong. Spiritually maybe, But you do not still belong to that church or that religion. It's in the fine print. If you start a new church, as many have, fine. But you still can not say you are such & such because you are not.

While the partaking of animal blood may be ok for meat eating cultures, I am pretty sure cannibilism (partaking of human blood) is still frowned on in most religions.

VladVoivode, said it very well. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

More in response to Vlad and Sky lol... but others said bits I agree with as well

As regards the bible....as Vlad said depends if you're talking new or old testament as a basis for referral...... depending on which part of the book you take decides on the name you call your part of the christian faith.

also many books are missing from the great work ~ whilst old testament may frown upon spiritual work new testament just took them out and hid them in deep dark vaults somewhere......why let the masses commune with their divine one themselves when by saying its evil the church hierarchy can keep it all to themselves.

As Vlad said the following of Christ is done in many religions but is the depiction of who or what he was that is the difference.

To me and the ones I walk with he is divine...possibly the greatest medium to have walked.....angelic and a higher guide.....

And to throw a little salt into the wound.

I work with high spirirt and angelics. I believe totally in a divine power. Don't like any organised religions. When looking into the Darker side of spirituality I find I can understand and follow that mentality as well. Oh yeh, and I'm vampyric lol so hell, I think my path is muddy grey lol

Wouldn't there be a conflict in the beliefs associated with Christianity and vampirism? I mean, just the taking of blood alone is a sin, so I guess it all depends on the doctrine of your particular faith. I think it is however possible that one could be a vampire and still believe in the Christian God.

i say follow your heart and it will lead you to salvation.

i personally DESPISE the christian religion. just because they seem to think everything that everyone else does is wrong. i mean, whatever. religion is your own choice, vampirism is too. you can choose both.

DDC has a good view in my opinion... it depends on your views on both of them, and how many beliefs conflicted, ad whether you would e happy to ave them conflict within your life.

In some ways, vampiism isn't a eligion, and in other ways supose one could see it as such (although thats no my personal standpoint on the subject.)

However, I also don't follow any religion, so I suppose you really need a Christian 'vampire' to answer that question.

Main Entry: can·ni·bal·ism
Pronunciation: 'ka-n&-b&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being
2 : the eating of the flesh of an animal by another animal of the same kind

I think it unfair to call Sharing in the blood of others cannabilistic. You are not eating their flesh, you are not killing them, you are sharing something with them. There is a difference to me anyway..

yea vampires can be christians cuz vampire are not evil just ppl blow the evil part of vampire up.

hmm....it would depend on your beliefs
myne would say do you believe religiou symbols hurting vamps? because it'd be really wierd if you went to a church, and picked up a cross and had to drop it :(

-lover zani

Intellectual death manifests itself with many symptoms, chief among them are intolerance and a tendency toward stereotyping that which eludes the understanding of the afflicted person.

Rememdies include reading and constant and meaning discourse.

VladVoiVode... a thought-provoking post. i suppose its whether the majority of people can cope with being part of two in-groups.

I had a problem at first with being part of two different groups, then I realized, this is me.. I am not hurting anyone.. I can still be the same spiritual person if not more. There is nothing wrong with me. But that took alot of soul searching to realize that. I dwelled on it for days and days and nothing else.. I am a good person, it doesnt matter what I am. You can believe and belong here at the same time.

In todays world of eclectisism, I feel you can take and follow parts and pieces of whatever you feel comfortable with, if you feel comfortable with being a Christianic-Vampire then who or what should disagree with what you are personally comfortable with, perhaps there is a/or should be a world where both are comfortable living within each other...

Who is to say who is right an who is wrong, when we have minds of our own to make descisions with, and to decide what is right for us as an individual. It all comes down to right feels right for you!

Lylitha,
There should be a world where "everyone" should be able to live together, being allowed their own beliefs with no one to ridicule you. What a nice thought that would be, then no one would have to hide anything..

in all truth....such a world would be deathly boring...adversity breeds intelect
but back to topic....
to say that vampirism is wrong...and then in your next breath partake of the sacrament....which to anyone with an understanding of magical practice is considered sympathetic vampirism...is simply enough....hypocrisy....
and the large amount of hypocrisy I found is the reason I left the christian faith many years ago...

Daermon,
I understand your point on the world being boring. What I more mean is that if we had tolerance.. Everyone can be different, but what about tolerace. Do you also not think thay someone cannot be spiritual and here at the same time. Maybe to me there is nothing wrong wth it. I feel right about it...

well tolerance would be nice...but the concept of an ideal world is something few think through to the predictable end....
it's unfortunate..but all the greatest leaps in science, medicine, technology have all been pushed by war, or the attempt to be better than the next guy....adversity causes innovation...and it causes it far more quickly when you know that someone else might be working on the same idea...so you need to beat them to it to succeed....
I like the idea of a tolerant world.....but for one to exist we would have to remove that vital core of rising to a challenge....since you fight all the harder to gain over an enemy than you do to collaborate with a friend....this is simply human nature...

Well we may not have a tolerant world, but its nice to know that we have a tolerant place as this to come to..

very true....

Frankie069,

1 : the usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being
2 : the eating of the flesh of an animal by another animal of the same kind

Whether you think it's fair or not, human blood is part of the human body. If a human ingests the blood from another human being, that by your own definition is cannibalism. Nowhere does it say you need to kill your meal to be a cannibal.
And if you are sharing with your blood partner you are simply both cannibals.
~that doesn't make you bad people, just not welcome in most organized religions.~

Sabastion,
Cannabilism to me always meant eating "flesh", not pertaining to blood.. may sound funny but the way that I think it anyway. I always think of, the blood of my blood, the flesh of my flesh, each putting them in a separate category..

In many states, from a LEGAL standpoint, do consider the drinking of human blood as cannibalism. So if you are in an organization or group that promotes itself as sanguinarian (blood-drinkers), then you may run the risk of criminal prosecution in those particular states. It would do everyone well to find out your own state's policy on the issue.

VladVoivode, You made many valid points...many of which I was going to bring up but you beat me to it. LOL

SheerasGuardian...It's ironic that you are displaying the same bigotry that you are insulting christianity with. As you are passionate about the path you have chosen for yourself, there are many who do follow the christian path and still show respect and consideration for those with different backgrounds. Show the same patience and understanding that you would like shown to you if this was your own thread.

ehh, i don't really think there is a problem seeing a vampire becoming a christian or any other religion wanted.. but i can't really see someone that is all hardcore about the christian bible becoming a vamp.

yes...

I'm a Buddhist Christian, sharing beliefs from both religions...I'm still a Vampire...

I recently talked to a person in Wales that had read in her research into mythology that vampires were create by christians to scare people from being sinners....there was a little more to the story but it's the general principle

I am a christian catolic-baptiased by the christian church & I like the vamps cloathe, lifestyle they have-is diferent, making things a bit more fun and not so dull. Still its just a choice on something a person likes. You can go to church sunday morning & go out wearing nothing but goth cloathe, dosn't mean you have to be a devil because you wear thngs of such. Aldo ofcourse does who do like me have to deal with another fact called society & popularism, where when you go out there looking like that they will throw you to the lions just for been yourself-even if they do the same to be on the " " thing but you are acting diferent so you are not considered among one of them.

I am not of any religious sect.I myself term myself as a spritual agnostic,but i do respect others beliefs and view points.

What i want to touch on is something said by Vampwriter1369 :

"Wouldn't there be a conflict in the beliefs associated with Christianity and vampirism? I mean, just the taking of blood alone is a sin."


Vampwriter ,when people go to a mass and they drink the wine which symbolizes the blood of christ and they eat the bread which symbolizes his body (if I remember right.) So wouldn't that make all Christians and Vampires sinners ? ;)


I believe anyone can be anything they choose to be, if they believe in it enough! If it is what they want in their life and it makes them feel good and doesn't hurt others it's all good to me. =)

Batchyld I think your question would be answered if you read the Bible. Its a small own version-drink from this one, it represents my blood, eat from this bread which represents my body, DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME and you shall " " live forever" " of course not in this world but the next. Reason why you might think its all the same is because 75% of the people in this world drink & eat from it but barelly remmebers why they are doing it. If you do it in memory of HIM ourely then he/she will live forever & be resurected when dead upin this world.

I believe it is possible to be both Christian and vampire.

I think it is all a matter of faith and how the person was raised. Even those who are vampyres, be they sang, psi or what have you...they still hold to the things taught them and if they have faith in that, they can embrace the religion and still be who they are.

As for being able to be open in mainstream churches, that is another story.

firebender...I see the point you are trying to make there....but it only looks that way from the christian point of view...
to a witch/pagan....the concept of drinking the wine as his blood and taking the sacrament as his body is exactly the same as using salt in a ritual in place of blood.....it is called sympathetic magic....
the substituting of one for the other and having it still function out of the faith involved...
in this sense....the taking of sacrament is cannabalistic to the magical mindset

I believe that people can be both a vampire and a christian. It all depends on their views and beliefs.

Christians and Vampires...HMMMM... Well being that I am a vampire I see no wrong with a vampire being a christian. God created all life, so that means in a matter of speaking god also created vampires. Now I am not a christian but I still believe in God. Just because is a vampire dose not take away your right to be religous. Plus whats to say about a vampire that was brought up christian? Is he or she supposed to stop being christian because he or she is a vampire? We must remember that just because some of us are vampires dose not mean we are bothered by crosses like you see in some vampire movies. So anyway that's what I think.

Just to liven things up a bit, get a load of this:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/badgoat/124002.html

then why does God call wine for communion the Blood of the Lamb?

It depends on what your views of both are. I myself believe in god, yet I do not believe in an organized religion, nor do I believe in the bible. As I have said before, depends on what you believe yourself.

i really think that it depends on your views of vampires and CHristians...esp the relations that you can carry out whith them...it also depends on if you can gert along with them or not.

I find it more and more curious as I stated previously in a number of threads about the tendency to zero in on Christianity.

The question "Can you be a Jew and a Vampire?" or "Can you be Bah'ai and a Vampire?" are EQUALLY as valid. Yet it is always CHRISTIANITY that seems to be the subject. When it is, so much misunderstanding seems to arise, including stereotyping of all Christians and even intolerance and HATE.

Perhaps it would be better to ask "Is it possible to belong to a RELIGION and be a Vampire?"

Now as to blood at the Catholic Mass and the Orthodox Divine Liturgy, to answer an earlier question:

Neither the Catholic nor Orthodox Churches believe that the changing of Wine to Blood is merely a symbol of remembering. When Christ said "Do this in remembrance of me", you must understand that "remembrance" in Aramaic did not mean to merely "recall". Remembrance in the context of which Christ spoke means an ACTIVE partaking of the Sacred Blood, i.e., the Real Presence. Christ meant that this partaking is to be as it was when He offered of Himself.

Protestant Christians - excluding Lutherans - reject the Real Presence and argue incorrectly that remembrance means symbolic remembrance only.

You see now how stereotyping ANY faith is dangerous AND offensive? While the person who asked about the Blood was NOT offensive, I found the question to be a perfect opportunity to explain my point. The Real Presence is perhaps THE core issue that seperates the protestant denominations (including the "non-denominationals) and the Ancient Churches of Orthodoxy, Coptic Christians, Roman and Old Catholicism.

Noone is THIS thread has been overtly hostile to Christians. But there have been instances where there HAS been open hostility.

So, why not ask about religion in General? Many religions would be equal fodder for discussion.

you can be what ever you want to be it really doesn't matter

i am a christian so.............. yes

Just because someone is a Vampire- does not mean they can't have other aspects to their life.

Looking at the Holy Communion in a cannibalistic manner is looking at it from a totally different view as the Catholics/Lutherans/Episcopalians/Church of Engalnd~ it is a poetic metaphor that is custom. Jesus never let people 'eat him' in life~ But he gave of Himself. The Eucharist symbolizes having Him in your life.

Sorry- I hit post before I was finished.

Anyhow- Communion is simply a way to recognize the special presence of Jesus.

A Vampire is still a being with free will. They can believe as they want to, no matter who thinks they 'shouldn't'.

Even 'The Black Veil' (Vampire Ethics) agrees in and accepts Diversity.

If we had a thread on, "Holy Communion" it would of been closed a long time ago as it would of deteriorated into a squabble. I am closing this thread, as I feel it has really gone off track and some might already find it offensive.