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I just got this wild thought due to certain comments from certain people I have came across in the past...

Do you believe there may possibly be subtle racism between vampires and werewolves or Wiccan, and such/etc. (outside of cinema)?




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I think that it could be a possibility, but I have never witnessed it myself.



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a possilibilty give humans an excuse for hate and they will live up to their nature!!



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there could be. But I know for a fact I have no problem that are different from me. Like I'm vamp and wolf. And I have no problem with people who aren't like me, that are different.



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By racism do you mean these people are different races, because if you do, then almost never assume they are anything but human. Being a wytch and a Vampyre is common as being a lycan and a wytch. I am sure there are those who think there is prejudice, not racism, between people that follow these paths thanks to fictional literature and films. But that is not happening here unless you are playing some LARP and acting out.



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I've never had a problem with anyone thats differrent from me.I'm sure it happens,I just haven't seen it personaly



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I had not called them anything other than people. I have never said a word of this being between two "species", but they do have a label of a different name. This is why I said "outside of cinema".

Now then, has anyone here ever witnessed any possible animasity between them? Like a mean spirited comment from one to the other or just a subtle lack of interest based on the fact of this kind of difference?



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I think there is racism in every race and in every realm, since no one is perfect there will laways be racism, no matter how we want to blind ourselves their will always be.



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it could be....although its a bad idea..i mean, we all need to stick together lol.



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Of course there's racism amongst ALL cultures. Everyone has to deal with it at some point and time in their life.



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someone always will find a reason to hate another, its not right but it will happen no matter what you try to do



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depends which kind of racism your referring too, skin color, or breed or sex etc. its possible though



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The way the world is...there will always be peoeple who don't like the way another looks or dresses.If more people would try to be nice to everyone,this would be a better world.



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Well as long as we don’t do it here then the world gets a start to be nice



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First off, I am not sure I agree with lumping Wiccans in with Vampires and Werewolves because it is a religion and not a seperate race.

Secondly, I don't view vampires and werewolves as been specific races. There is no proven difference in dna between modern day vampires and normal everday people.


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didnt know they did DNA test on us yet?



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With only a fraction of the human DNA uncovered, who knows what the remaining DNA code entails.

Personally, I've not yet encountered any non-cinematic racism between vampires and/or dark creatures. However, everything is in some way shape or form possible. This leaves me to conclude there has to be some kind somewhere or eventually anywhere. Of course Racism is all due to a lack of proper education, so look for the unerudited and you shall find it. ;)



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Racism is everywhere, so what...



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id say that it is possible that racism exists between vampires, werewolfs, wiccas, humans....
racism is something that has a deep seed in the human nature.. everyone is more or less racist... there are people (races) you like better and other ppl you like less... and there is nothing wrong with it as long as there is no hate against other races...
but like i said there might be racism between vampires, werewolfs and others... if you want to find out about it.. you could do an empirical study.. and in case you want to do this study you could ask me for help if you need it...



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people will always find time to hate it doenst matter what the subject matter is iIpersonaly keep freinds in all circles but their alwsys people who do things to make themselfs feel better



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Yeah seriously... people will always hate... they're gonna find a reason to hate a person if they really dislike them whether it be their religion or something that they're into... so racism in vampyrism and werewolvism eh... sure why not?



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well i think in general racism will always have a part in anything even if it's a little but but i think it is more less relavant in the subcultures as we are much more open minded and understanding to each ones indifferences of choices made.
being different is a good quality in my opinion



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Considering the comments that I have seen from some people on here towards some of my Lycan friends, I would say yes there is racism on this site



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i agree there is racism in every culture and not just among kindreds



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I haven't encountered Any racism(vampires and etc.) in that area but you know somewhere and somehow that there is someone who doesn't like so and so because of what they are. Racism probably will be apart of life until....hmm(there aren't any races to hate on?????..w/e)



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in my opinion, racism is rampant throughout all cultures, religions, and races. im sure there are some vamps or even lycan that have racist feelings. if its in the world, we face it, no matter our origin. thats what i think tho. personally racism sucks. but its out there.



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Racism & prejudice is widespread through all cultures, sexes, breeds, religions, idealogy etc.... The problem with it is that some (not all) people dont recognize it & dont want to stop it when they do realize what it is. As much as we try to stop it, itll never go away. People will always be conditioned to be scared of what they dont know or understand so its something that will be around for a very long time. Ive seen it only once on here & as far as the outside world goes, ive never witnessed it on a first hand basis.



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As and when it happens, we have to stand up and be counted.



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if anything, the racisim would be between the wiccan and the pagan. think about it.
wicca uses the knowlage of the earth and natural energy to acheive whats needed.
while the pagan manipulate the universe and peoples decisions.



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sad to say but i have noticed such bias towards our fellow satanist on here it seems even though people do not agree with their beliefs they tend to look at them in a negative fashion which can be detrimental in certian aspects i have even noticed when any post are made on satanism that they get closed rather fadt and i feel that satanist are equal in their beliefs just as much as wiccans,pagans,druids it's jsut that even in the sub-societies there still a lack of understanding and bias it amazes me how such individuals can have closed minds to one thing and open minds to another but that is just something that has to be dealt with.



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of course there is racism between some vampires, werewolves and wiccans. Some people are going to hate someone at any given time.
Usually, whatever people don't understand, they will hate.
Not everybody, mind you....don't start hating on me :)



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i havent seen it myself but there are others that talk with me that they have...in my opinion this shouldnt happen in any culture. just my opinion.



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For some, yes; for all, no.



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There will always be some kind of racism, not all of us do it but some do. That is way of life, and it is endeed a sad thing to know the pain of racism.



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Yes the human being is programmed to group in own as a way of ensuring we mate with the right species. This built in survival from our animal evolution makes us like people in to our music ect and not there music … the very basics of racism.
However we have a mind and choice in this world … I chose not to do something that seems right but is considered bad … so over our animal programming we have a mind and choice. Im worried for a couple of not a whole nation but the majority of it is media programmed ….. ;-) when they see a film with vamp n wolf fighting they think it’s for real ….



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Yes, hate is sad and is even sadder that it is everywhere. It's a wonder to me that a single label can create hurt between people.


One reason why I asked this was because of a thing I witnessed amongst friends:


I have three friends, a Wiccan, a vampire, and werewolf.

They were all VERY good friends too, until the werewolf found out that one was a Wiccan and started hating her just because of that simple word...

The werewolf also would puff out his chest only in the presence of the vampire and spouting off the wonders of the werewolf and what he could supposedly do...

This group broke up, moved, and lost all touch...

Now, I'm not sure if the werewolf was just an ass or if it was actually a racism towards race/religion/lifestyle/etc. so I asked this question to seek some sort of undestanding...

Your opinions and insights are most valued and welcome. Thank you for posting.



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I think prejudice is probably more likely than actual full blown racism. I think people (no matter what their group) tend to favor somebody that has similarities to them over somebody who has a difference that is given a great deal of attention (race, gender, etc.). Of course this isn't true of everyone. People might relate more to people of the opposite sex or of another race but there is most likely some other similarity drawing them together.



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Racism in any form is wrong. I have people I loth and if they are a diferent nationality so be it.
I also have people I like that would drive a steak threw my heart the first second they could, I like them because there trueful, Wolf , vamp who cares we are all missfits



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Racism in any shape or form is wrong but sadly it is preverlent in every aspect of our lives no matter wat culture we belong in



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As long as we live there will always be ignorant racists people. people learn how to except people as they are and not try to conform them to there ways noone has all the answers. and if they do who is the one that says it is completely right?



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Just like mortals society racism is still around, why i do not know, because of the differnce in peoples lifes we shun or they become outcast in society. and even in the dark realms of vampires werewolves and wiccan i believe ignorances of racism are prevalant. so yes, haven't seen it yet but somewhere there is...........



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i have experianced it from both sides for being a hybrid, but only once was it on this site, the people here are vetry respectful



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I do have to say that I have experienced it, although it was subtle, I did not like it. But as everyone before me has said, it will always be present in this world, after all, there's a little humanity left in everyone of us...is there not? If so...draw your own conclusions. :)



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There's always some form of "racism" between all different things. It's just in our nature. Some people just handle it better than others.



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I agree with Raven Eyes, it's there, some are more hateful than others but there are always a few with problems with other races.



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I wouldn't be surprised . And if racism there at least some prejudice somewhere . Espeaciall if someone is Clan bound and truly believes in one group being better than the other . with this world anything is possible nowadays .



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Absolutely. There is always racism between two different groups. Always has been and always will be.



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racism is always there no matter the groups dicussed, yet it is sad to say. we as these groups must stand and so enough is enough.



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i agree, rascism comes from pride for the group or race you belong to, all have pride, so all are racists to some extent, its just a matter of whether or not you have enough maturity, class, honor, and dignaty, to live peacefully with one another



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eh, ive seen some tension. never full blown hate. any mean things said are usually the group haha joking way.

only problems ive ever really seen is inner 'species' fighting. its so stupid. i got caught up in it once. never again. totally not worth it.



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racism.. i dont think it is that bad. mabye some tension or "friendly' compitition



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unfortunately, there must be...it permeates all of our society



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I am happy to say, though, that I have not heard or witnessed any such racism between anyone on this site and proud of all the kind accepting people! =) w00t!


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i think thats just all in the movies hun.



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sometimes i think werewolves as they cant control themselves every full moon as they go into a rage, will attack anyone and anything which makes ppl hate them but i believe any other time they turn they are in control of themselves as they feed on the rage



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as with any race, there will always be prejudices against other races. not that all people of one race are prejudiced against other races, but there are some people from every race that are.



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NocturnisOrchid, please take some time to read previous posts...


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I don't like to call it racism. I like to think of it more as a....ah....let's say a, "Healthy Rivalry."
coughcoughvampiresarebettercoughcoughcough



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darkchyld
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Rivalry is a good word to use.. But I guess it would be possible.



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Not like we're all humans here...

However, if there is an anthromorphic dog, I'd love to meet it. Weekly World News pays huge for that sort of thing. Easily a few grand...



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well anything is possible and I have met people whom are vamp and werewolves and they sometimes have an attitute toward one another thinking one is better than the other.... I think it is just their Human side taking over LOL! yet hey anything is possible. Very good thread



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I had a friend that I went to school with from almost day one.. and I knew she was an otherkin for want of a better term.. not sure why but that term has always bothered me.. the term not the idea mind you... but anyway.. she was not aware I am a vampire. Until one day she walked in and saw me feeding from a mutial friend and freaked and refused to be friends with... and I quote a bloodsucking leech... so yeah it can happen but I think its a personal option just like any other hate from any person.



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Anytime you have a vast diversity of people, and cultures and beliefs, there is going to be racism, and hatred.



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I FEEL there is racism everywhere due to Narrow minded people and uninformed people, yet I hope that one day it will all work out... of course I will not hold my breath LOL! It is sad thing and it is everywhere unforunately and I have seen it with vampires and werewolves out here, alot of each feel one is more superior than the other, so that is just life, sad yet true.



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of course there is racisim
they are diffrent
since it is a sort of rivalry
of course their gonna bag on them bout it
and wats a better insult than a racist remark
im not saying racism is a good things
especially among REAl people
but it does make for good insultin



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There is racim amongst everthing
people discriminate and most people get subdued to racism at some point in there life. the type of racism here though is not the most common (skin colour) i believe that if there was racism amongst vampires and werewolfs it would be ethier of breed or maybe gender.


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i have experienced racism amongst vampires and werewolves

I think it should stop, there is too much racism anyway, we don't need to add to it



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Do you think that media, such as movies, displays some of this racism between the two like Underworld for example?


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racism=hate=fear-->you fear the most in others what your hiding from yourself

Dig?



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There is probubly racism between them. And there is probubly some who dont mind at all.



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Anytime people are involved they seem to mess things up sometimes. I would like to to say there is no racism between the two but in my heart is says there probable is. I have seen racism in some pretty strange places. So I'm sure this subject is no different.



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i am not racist but some peolpe are and always will be..it only takes a few racist people to make everyone look bad so the answer would be yes because you cant say no for everyone



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Well I must say this is nice … once we remove color for breed I think one can see how silly it is and also understand your particular breed must be on top.
Damn those survival genes …. I blame DNA



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well because the alot of people are different
whome ever is in there groups or anything such as a cult or something like that....there is bound to be some types of conflict between the groups and unfortunatly its their oppinions and nothing we can do to help or tell them otherwise

but yes i do think that there is racism between almost all groups



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it is my opinion that any such racism can only make us stronger with our own personal beliefs withing the subculture that we reside in,i think it is a given thing that any challenge will only make us a more stronger individual regardless of what kind of racism we encounter.



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Every one is racist to a point, a lot of people dislikes others for one reason or another, or they like one race better than the other...



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All racism is the same its just another excuse for ppl to call each other names



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I think it's all just out of the nature of the creatures.



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It seems to be apparent that racism is everywhere and it cannot be stopped, but what do you think life would be like in our world today if racism or any such discrimination did not exist?


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Would you think life in this world would severely change if any kind of racism did not exist?


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unfortunately I hate racism, in every culture known to man there is unfortunately though so instead of dwelling on it shouldn't we try to fix it or teach them to get along , but wouldn't that be boring and we wouldn't have nothing to complain about.



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lol That is very true, charskiss, indeed we should, but many people do love to complain sadly, and I am just about exhausted complaining myself. I do think the world would be a much nicer place if we didn't have that, but the problem is, we NEED to complain in order to make changes to then better our life... *sigh* :) lol


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i think we all dislike racism in one way or another but what can we do to get rid of it...lately i have noticed more so that before that there is some racism between individuals who have different beliefs.



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Yes... It's hard for people to believe that not everyone is going to hell just because of a different belief system...


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interesting... I believe its possible.. racisim is everywhere



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As stated before rasism is everywhere, every walk of life has insucure people who put others in society down because the are not the norm. Vampires lycans and other races are no different than those who walk everyday in this concrete maze we call earth.



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i love both of them and they need each other to live safely together as a whole in this world of ours.



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What I see might not be considered racism per se, but it more like an attitude of superiority. Each thinks they and their "kind" are better than the other(s). Now by racism I assume you mean vamps thinkig they are better than wolfies, or wiccans thinking badly of vampires, or whatever. Not anyone worrying about anyone's actual skin colour, right?



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Regardless there is going to be raceism everywhere



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..You guys watch too much Underworld.



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It has nothing to do with Underworld movies



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Okay..fine..you guys need to learn that lycanthropes and vampires..the way YOU guys belive don't exist. You can't survive off of blood. It doesn't digest. Lyncanthropy was a disease in the way that people were maddened by their animalistic nature and would litereally rip peoples throats out with their bare hands.



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Personally I hate stupid.

I don't care what religion or spiritual or moral high ground. Werewolves, I have met some that are very nice, but the majority are stupid children who have no concept of what they talk about, thinking they are king shit because they are all about being beastial.

Wiccians, and Vampires who hold things like the Black Veil, and The Rede against others is a pathetic sham, and exercise in zealotry. Nothing good comes from this, and never has.

Humans themselves show the quality of stupid. They in all things have to be superiority complex, they have to be so much better then every one else. Never being able to find balance. That is one thing, which happens in all lifestyles, by those who are not of the spiritual presence, take on the physical zealotry to maintain what little lie they force others to believe about themselves.



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It happenes in every culture no matter what it is.



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I don't know about Vampires and werewolves, but I am Wiccan and a psy vamp. True Wiccans do not stoop to racism - it is too consuming, goes against our believe system that everyone has their place in the universe and must be accepted as they are. It also draws negative energy.



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i sure there is some to some extent, vamp and weres are a species like humans and so there must be some type of racism between the different groups.



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I believe its possible but perhaps like with humans they are able to set that aside.



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This is speaking if there were truly vampoires and werewolves mytical beast but yes they would I think the vampire would feel superior to the animal in the werewolf as vampire is fully humanoid and the werewolf isn't..That is a just suppose in reality yes human are racist due to there up bringing if they are taught hate they tend to hate what they don't fully understand.

Since we are all people ultimately it would be nice if people would stop teaching hate but the day for that will never come unfortuantely. We also teach hate because of greed and envy and those wont be stopped either.



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I think every culture no matter what has racism in it, doesnt matter where you may come from, it is a trait we all have sadly we just cant help ourselves



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The steriotypical Vampire-Werewolf war is not as true as it may seem.
To understand it in full, you need to search for three lifetimes and travel back in time to restore key documents before you would have the base of the truth.
As much as I know it runs as such. Vampires and werewolfs originate from one entity who is often referred to as a Lycan. (I might have the term wrong. This has also been used to refer to werewolves.) The Lycan had two sons, and this is the myth, the first son went out and was bit by a bat, thus he took on the night with hightened senses and drank blood for life.
The second son went out and was bitten by a wolf, thus he became as an animal, bent on death and destruction wherever he may go.
As the sons travel, they took to focusing on humans for victims. The bat-bitten son drank from the veins in the neck, and unless the bodies were destroyed, the humans would turn, becoming vampire in themselves. The wolf-bitten son, did not care for such details. He just went on, attacking anyone in his path, but it seemed that his victims turned as well, becoming as wild and dangerous as he. Thus becoming werewolves.
The vampire clan knew the werewolf was too dangerous, thus they sought him out, burning any bodies they saw on the path. The werewolves had enough human left in them to realize that the vampires were the biggest threat to them, thus they focused on them as what to kill.
The father was horrified at how his sons were warring. He hunted them out and found them at each others throat. He knew he was the only one with the power to stop them, and to kill them would turn all those bit back into humans. But they were his sons and he couldn't bring himself to do so. Instead, he locked them away in unknown coverns for all time.
The minions who were turned continued to roam, turning others. But the third generations were not as the second. The vampires had more weaknesses and the werewolves were human in the daylight.
This is the tale as far as I have gathered.



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