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AngelofDeathandSorrow
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Do you believe that power is better used out of postive emotion or negative.. in my oppinion I believe that using power out of negative emotion brings about random and unexpected results that may often harm the one wielding it. Dark and negative energy bring about chaos and often destroy the user while light and positive conforms its user to an almost unrealistically sense of lawfulness... how do we find the balance..




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A balance is needed. Too much positiveness and we end up with a modern day Pleasantville. It also opens us up to abuse, if we are too trusting and supportive we are more prone to use and abuse. Too much negativity and yeah, things just go bad, nuff said there :P

There must always be a ying and yang



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Kind of makes you think about Star Wars and the Force. Following only one side is foolish. One makes you soft the other destroys you. But if taught to use both sides, balanced and stronger you become. "Do, there is no try."



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With great power comes even greater responsibility, too bad most in society have little to no responsibility, or the means of obtaining such power, even in certain environments.

The individual must ask themselves, whether or not the power in their hands has a capacity to do things for the greater good, or the will of the corrupt.

I remember watching an episode of the cartoon: Gargoyles. It consisted of a power hungery egyptian priest who wished to bring his love back from the dead. His means was to obtain a power to make him an avatar, or god-like.

After the tranformation to this avatar, he then realized why he should not bring his love back from the dead, as everything has its purpose.

Moral of this story? Once the individual obtains such power, they may then realize the reality that comes with the power. May or may not be a burden.

"Be careful what you wish, you may regret it. Be careful what you wish, you just might get it." ~Metallica~



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This idea of blance is clearly defined and spread by certain sources wich were here before me. If I look deeper in to my self, I can clearly see that that balance wich has been suggested to me is not any sort of balance at all, beacuse/but it only serves others interest of regulation, and I my self can more than better determine my own sense of balance, and sort. This leads me only to one conclusion, that only my wishes and their nature, can securely and realisticly can and are able to determine the "balance" for me, and how to find it exactly, and that is by efficiently fullfiling my own wishes, my ideas of expressing one self in the world wich is surrounding me. I clearly understand that I do not need to be caruful about anything, or what I exactly wish, or how much, and even less to care for the ability and how to use it, but I need to be very careful and clever how to gain exactly that special ability on the first place. For that one is the ultimate one, and it will fullfil every aspect of ones sense of balance, with out any mistake, for there is no mistake in clearly expressing one self. Balance rules in my mind and away from it, the way I see it only.

“Moral of this story? Once the individual obtains such power, they may then realize the reality that comes with the power. May or may not be a burden.”

There is absolutely no realistic sense in this statement, it is a twisted untruth, fallacy, designed for the modern mind, to keep it modern, and to stop it, to fragment it in to two, and to question one self, there where it should not stop at all, but where one should instead fearlessly sprint forward, and grab it, too hard, too greedy, sharp, with no morals at all, but with pure strengtht of decision, not being mentally paralised with rules, with mental weaknesess, wich are here to serve some others purpouse and idea of their own balance only. Thats how you find the perfect balance, by not listening to others, but only to your own inner, beacuse thats only you.



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Whispersinthewind
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I understand you perception when it comes to the moral of my little story, but I personally see no untruth, no fallacy...More so a parable, those who get it, will. Nuff said.

If I did not know better, I would take it as an insult, but I am a better man than that.



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If I am understanding this correctly - you are interested in whether there is a difference in using negative energy or positive energy in spell work?

If this is the case - all energy can be neutralized before use. Of course, in most cases if one is full of negative energy they are probably not casting the "nicest" spell anyway. lol

I would venture to say negative energy that is not neutralized (even if from feeding) before being used could have a different effect. That is why you cast a circle - to purify the area you are working in.



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I believe using power in a balanced manner is the only way to go. Positive, negative and good and bad are all really based on perception. If you use power in a balanced manner and focus emotion as needed. I disagree that chaos energy destroys the user. I believe that all forms of energy can be handled but its user’s greed that compels them to go beyond their safe limits thus being hurt or destroyed.



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Well if you are positive you attract positive energy if you are negative you attract negative energy. So there for if you use power while negative I would believe it would bring negative things upon you. Thus if you use power while positive then I believe positive things will come out of it.



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I think power used with focus is the most successful. That focus could be negative or positive. Revenge and hatred can be very strong focuses. Whether or not I would choose a more negative path overall depends on whether my goals are selfish or for a broader betterment.

In either case, it's the extent of the emotion and the force of focus that determines the results.



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Balance really is needed in all things you do but using positive power is always going to result in better things happening to you



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With power comes awesome responsibility.. I agree with you
AngelofDeathandSorrow. Using powers that stem from negative emotions can cause many inconsistencies.



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It is simple to find the balance . Remember the reed . do as you will but harm none



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Whatever you send out in the universe will return.



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Absolutely, Karma would have to be factored in...



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Power is power regardless of how you use it. If you aren't precise with it it will be random either way. Karma still applies and is nowhere near as random as the power you use...



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It is best to only deal with things you understand.



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Lightningsking
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Dark and negative power is used for evil reasons



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I try to apply the positive as much as possible, but it always seems to pale when I go into a "rage state" where I have some killer engery to release, and it is very focused.

As one would expect, this energy usually results in some hurt feelings from those who receive the outburst, and many times to those who experience it.

But this application has its uses, especially if it is a defense response for myself, my wife, or my friends.



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I believe that is alwasy better to use any form of power from a positive place. You never what you will get back if you use negative energy.



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I do agree with you, that negative and dark emotions can bring about unexpected consequences that you may wish to avoid.

Positivity draws positive influences so that is the best road to follow I think.



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Positive and negative seem to be relative terms to me, like good and evil. Focus is the primary ingredient for spells to work. Very difficult in our multitasking world.



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DarkGodOfRage
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Positive energy would have the greatest result for power. Reminds me of a quote from the Spiderman movie. "With great power comes great responcibility."



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I believe it's better to use power out of the both positive and negative. Using part of each. Therefore being balanced and nothing being put out of proportion.



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all energy is neutral. it is intention that changes it.



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Negative/Positive energy only exists as rhetoric, and has no connection with the energy released in a magick spell. Chaos is the element of chance which has been found to effect both the spell and the outcome. Power is a myth, manipulation of reality is all that is necessary.



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Good needs evil, positve needs negative, to thrive the two must coincide, and exist together, so there is want and need for both types of power and ways of gaining it. we shouldn't ry to find a balance, it is already there. if chaos and evil were taking over, then you would most certinly be able to tell, and the same good for an overabundance of positive.



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There should definatly be a balance, which ever the power is used for. But you know what they say what ever you send out always comes back to you in some way or other. Personally it should never be used for negative purposes only good ones



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Think of it just like you would money.



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I agree in today's world money brings power and there is a balance of positive and negative ones who have money.



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Hmm, Interesting.

With power comes responsibility, very Spiderman!

As with all things magical, intent is everything, but it is almost impossible to be sure what you do is for good or ill, and in both Hethen and Druidic philosophy there is no good or evil, only intent.

If your intentions are possitive, no matter the outcome they remain possitive.

As an example, Say you help Grandma by casting a spell to make her ankle better. Your doing good right? But what if the next day she gets up, goes out for a walk on her nice healed ankle, and gets run over outside her house? Were you doing her good then?

You can't definitively control the outcome, but your intent was to help, and that has not changed.



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Not just that aspect RAG,but.. Does it make you greedy for more? As it does so many? And opnce tasted,what will you do to get more..how far would you go?Would you let it corrupt you? Has it?Do you use it to help others? Or only for yourself.Or to hurt ?
Think about these things indeed,for how one uses their money is a very good indication of how one will use their power.



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Negative power has very few good benefits, so if used it brings bad Karma. Good power, has many positive benefits and usually brings good Karma. Thats what I believe. Like if you think negative bad usually happens, but if you think positive it helps you and good things usually happen.



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it must be dished out fairly and wisely its a wykedly coruppting thing



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Who doesnt love the vortex!
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Power is at its best with positive energy. I believe that when using negative energy to work with it is as you said, Unpredictable though powerful. Often times negative feelings and energy can come stronger and far easier than positive.

As was mentioned before, everything does need a balance, so whatever is sent out either good or bad has to be balanced out by something else.



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you have to be ballanced in this, theres good and bad no matter what we do. the more negative we are the more a negative outcome and visa versa
so we have to be ballanced to get what we want



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i think a balance between them is needed.



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I think positive power sometimes is harder to develope we are much more easily able to access our evil emotions rather then the positive ones.



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i guess i don't understand but weather u r doing negitive well make things bad it is evil. positive seems 2 go the way u want the power 2 go.



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With almost everything we do, some emotion is behind it. When it's a postive emotion our heads are more clear, and more able to think thing through logically. While if it is a negative emotion you may become blind in rage.
So really, if you are asking wich one would be better, I'd answer positive.



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i think power should be used in a positive way. when i first started using my magic (before i knew the rede) i was about 12, or thirteen. someone pissed me off (probobly about something juvenile) so i tried to curse them. but the thing is, it backfired and i got the chicken pox. so, i urge everyone to think about their intentions before performing any kind of magic. but thats just me.



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I use it and i've found that hate works better then love .



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I believe that in all aspects of life, balance is key. You must try to find that balance between good and evil, trusting and and being cautious, adventure and safety, etc.



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please use it wisely and sparingly
it breeds coruption



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My family has always told Me to avoid using negative energy. The short version is bad things happen, why make it worse.



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knowing one self will help you fine that balance in yourself. meditation will help you find what you are looking for.



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people on here are big thinkers



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I agree there has to be a perfect balance between the two to have the results sought after.



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yes it must be balanced out evenly



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As in all things there must be a balance I believe! If you use it for a negative purpose you will get a negative response if you use it for positive well then you get a positive response!



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Best using power for good and positive impact on people and events - the use of it for negative impact wil come back to you in ways you would not want.



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I belive that if you have any kind of power weather its good or bad just be careful on how you use it



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Power and energy can be formed by both negative and positive energy or emotions. But since negative emotions are naturally inconsistent and unbalanced there are likely to be some gasps in the energy. It's just natural.



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energy used from pain-anger-or raw emotion, can have negative repercussions due to the chaos involved



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I don't believe there is a better or worse for power. It is what it is and merely needs to be controlled like everything else.



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i think it depends on what the power is used for that will say it is a good or bad thing.



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In my learnings I have found that to have power is to have conflict...It's a constant thing even in normal living..... but in the long run you have to meld them together... some things are good some bad... most are both...



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I don't understand why anyone would want to use power in a negative way.



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Many use negative energy to achieve a goal... perhaps to punish another or to have them "slowed down" so they cannot win in a certain contest or situation.

How many people have heard another "wish they'd die" or simliar?



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19:32:35 Apr 15 2008
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They are both in everything. Ballanced.



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SalemsxAngel
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22:34:57 Apr 15 2008
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I agree, both negative and positve power are in everything. I would say a bit of both, i dont believe there is good with out the bad.



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FelixFelix
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22:39:22 Apr 15 2008
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half of these posts are just a slightly wordier way of saying "balanced"

This doesn't appear to be a discussion and while I agree that some of the people here attempted to bring something to this, it's not panning out. I can't bear to see 30 more posts of "balanced".



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