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Cards have always played a big part in the paranormal world. They are used for good and bad. For telling the past, present, and even the future. As well as other things..

What do you think about it?
Do you believe in it, and why or why not?



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I had a friend who was very good at reading and she said past and present was easy to get but as the future is able to be changed, it was alot harder to read.... and she would never read mine, but yes I believe!!



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i am still learning to read tarot cards, but i am really good at it so far, i do reading for my friends and family and some people i randomly meet, i do a past, present and future spread. i let the cards tell me what i need to know, i have predicted with them a lot of things in mine and otheres lives that Have happened, and after did.



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cards have been used for years, from tarots decks to the simple playing decks, they all have their hidden meanings.



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I'm learning the Tarot too - I enjoy it a lot, and I'm happy to know that I am actually getting some of the meanings of the cards in my mind.



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you know what is the most unnatural and disturbing card to get? a thank you card. what you do with that card can change your future. if you give them a thank you for your thank you card it or if you ignore it your relationship might be strained. greetings cards are the devils best work. by devil i mean aunties and grannies. (i know this topic is nor granny or greetings cards related but my idea of cards effecting the future and others are usually two separate things)



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Not sure if I believe in the whole card telling the future yet, alot of things happened when I had mine done. so far not sure if it is coincident or it really tells it right on or close enough.. just not sure.



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I believe this is true, but it all depends on the person giving the reading.



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I agree the past and present can be foretold...as for the fuure events we all have our own free will to change the future.





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Yes tarrot cards can tell the future. I have a friend that reads cards and he has been very accurate with his readings



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The tower card is the worst to get.

& I'm not sure what I think, in the right hands, yes, I believe they have some sort of power. But there are so many frauds & real tellers are so few & far between I'm not sure...



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Cards have been around a very long time - whether playing cards or tarot came first, I am unsure, however, it seems as though I have read that playing cards evolved from the Tarot.

I don't believe that the Tarot cards, or any cards for that matter, can "tell you the future", however, I do believe that they can be used as a tool to help one connect with the subconscious which in turn can release knowledge that one may already have.

We observe constantly, and take in subtleties, little nuances that our conscious isn't always aware of which could affect our choices that we make if we had an open, aware knowledge of what our subconscious already may know. I feel that one can utilize the Tarot for such, which I have done, many times to good results. Much like meditation, it's just a key a person can use to unlock hidden knowledge in the subconscious.



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Vespers -

I think that's the main tool for all "psychics".

Thank you so much for bringing that point up, I agree with it sincerely.



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I think they work it depends on the intention behind it and yes they can reveal thing if asked the right kind of question



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Personally, I don't put much belief/faith in tarot cards because more than one possible meaning could be taken from each card, or explained for each card, depending on who's doing the reading.



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thesavageant,

How do you feel about tarot cards? Do you believe card readers (if someone is doing the reading other than the recipient) should know any personal information about the person they're doing the reading for, prior to doing the reading? I ask because it seems, from readings I've seen performed, that card readers base their findings on questions asked of the recipient during the reading and based on information they new beforehand.



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well stated Bones, another thing is the reversed option, okey I will use an example: "this card means this thing as I draw it, it means stagnation in activity, you are not using stored potetial," then bring the attention from the card to the sitter.. "watch the reaction, and if it seems unconnected, reverse the meaning, "It is reversed, an active potential is opening creating a ..etc.. " Among friends in say a parlor setting, the cards can show how transparent you are, an entertaining reader is hard to find, among all those that pitch the "occult connection" they really cause people to miss the core practice, causing some to invest too much into a social ice breaker, from times past. I watched a girl do a reading and with a base knowledge of the cards reversed and set meanings watched her customize on several occasions, yet the sitter kept nodding affirmations. Worth noting as well, is that Gypsy Readers, they never do their own reading they would be laughed at if they asked another gypsy to read their cards.



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Bones -

I have had countless amounts of tarot readings done on me. I, myself, have practiced tarot for a good amount of time. The only problem is, I've learned it, meaning what I am doing is "textbook", therefore is more than likely flawed.

I think there are real tarot readers out there, but very few and very far apart. Of course some will be fake, and others, like me, who have learned from the textbooks, which I nor anyone else can tell if they are right or not.

To answer your question, yes, a real tarot reader can ask you anything, if he/she is truly genuine. Everyone else, however, like the corner tarot lady, I would just say "read my past or give me my money back".

That's just me though.



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see there is the tendency, that well there are a small percent "few and far between".Can you tell me this? Can you do a sitting over the inter net? When readers are coming forward to expose the readers who claim occult, or meta physical power(would you like links?) they are doing a service to those that want to stir clear of such things, yet find enertainment in the reading, it would be like a guy going to a message parlor, for an actual massage, yet the girls are prostitutes.. really what is wrong with the base core reading, Why all the metaphysical Mumbo gumbo? a 5 dollar reading is one thing. But all the people who claim to be getting messages from anything other then guiled interactions and info craft is really delving into a personal area.



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I would also like to add, which I wish I would have originally, is that I do not do "readings" for people, only for myself. I don't view myself as psychic whatsoever, nor do I view tarot cards as being a link to a psychic realm or spiritual guide of some form or that tarot can divine our futures. However, I do feel that our subconscious is a great reservoir of knowledge - knowledge that we gather using our senses, including intuition, that we do not store entirely in our conscious.

I feel that anyone can tap into that knowledge utilizing meditation, perhaps prayer for some, tarot, water, runes, music, etc.. I feel that there are many ways a person can gain access to the subconscious; tarot just happens to be an easier way for me.

Also, another thing I find helpful in using tarot is having a deck in which the artistic rendering of the symbology is simpatico. I understand it better, and I meditate easier with the cards - feels more organic than with cards that don't have any visual stimulation for me.



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I recently got my tarot cards read, and I think it would of been more to my advantage if she had prior knowledge of my personal life as she started to talk to me about my children! and I do not have any!! However, she was bang on target with other things which in all reality could of been your average woman statistics. I remain skeptical of the practise, but wish I could take more faith in it - Learning the tarot is one thing, but I believe you also need the "gift" :)



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I'd just like to add that tarot, or any other reading, cannot possibly be 100% accurate. It's impossible and will NEVER be done, by anyone, anywhere.

So if two or three things are off in your readings, don't fret, we're all humans.



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Vesper.. a sound statement. To shimmy the conscious mind to connect, through pictorial prompts to the subconscious. As an illustration to build a "story line" with, I find that is the value to cards, to see that (high jacked) mis represented by con artist, really gets under my skin, I would like to see the parlor troupes return (groups that perform for social gatherings, to break the ice), it would curve all these hack shop readers.



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thesavageant,

Having learned from a textbook as you claimed above, how can you 'know' that what you read is the truth? Are you seeing what you want to see, or what is?



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Bones -

Like I said, no one can know whether those books are right or not. There is a lot of gray area in tarot, magic, spells, and the like.

To answer your other question, it's what I like to see. But then again, it's not certain that it's what my customer would like to see.

I have foretold death, and yes, it has happened. Then again, I have been wrong in a lot of my readings, and had people return and tell me off for that.

Things like tarot cannot be taken so strongly and looked through the microscope with, these things are very fragile and vague.

It's all about faith, not outright detail.



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Are the books you are reading touting Occult inspiration to the reading, what Text are you using may I ask? One good book I found was UnMystifying the Tarot and Ruin, a one time hack shop mafie owner, comes out with his secrets to a chicago detective, who was out to bust Erma K. (Insert Allies) she was "ducking under gaming control doing house calls. Her brother in law was caught breaking into one time clients homes , Info diving.. he makes mention of the way they put those books out, the same way Sylvia Brown does, using clips and blurbs from motivational, and devotional readers dijest.. they claim some divine source for their words.. yet Plagerism is rampant and doctored to reword former exposed doctrine.



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I have 2 evil decks, but I don't mix books.use the same book that is with the deck then you have a more accurate reading. Cards are very powerful but they also have to fit you. Not just any deck will work for anyone.



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so you admit you are much less accurate yet you expect people to have faith? So if their faith is strong? does that make you more accurate?



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What do you think about it?

I think that some cards are great and can help see in to other peoples souls and see what is to come, but if not in the right hand then its just cheap parlor tricks.

Do you believe in it, and why or why not?

In some of it I do believe but in others I don't, I only trust fully the Russian set or taro cards, everything else I am iffy on.



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i believe in them i have a set and although you are not supposed to i do my own reading for me and, generally they are right. you have to believe in them for them to be right.



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Yes, exactly. You have to believe in these things in order for them to work. Both of the parties do. The reader, and the most who is being read.

This isn't science, it's magic.



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I believe... Went to see a gypsy..long story but in the end she predicted that my best friend would go to jail very soon, (He did within 2 weeks) and another friend of ours had addiction problem that was very prevalent to our well being.. That was true also in the most bizarre way. Tried to kill himself and take us with... I have not gone back since then... too freaky for me.. I dont think I want a perfect stranger to know me like that... she stated quite a few specific things to me about my past ,present, and future which all turned out to be true...



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Its not magic at all it the luck of the cards and a prediction. (for the future). However, the present is writen on you, all the reader has to do is read it correctly, now the past is in the eyes, the cards just point out the obvious. i think anyway.



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"Its not magic at all it the luck of the cards and a prediction.

Key words - "luck" and "prediction"

That is ultimatly magic.


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The present is more or less definite, as is the past. But the future, that's left to the cards, right?

The future is strictly dependent on millions and millions of choices made by every individual from now on through time. So, these sorts of odds were fancied to be able to be impressed in upon a special deck of cards.

I do not believe in any of the mysticism behind tarot cards. They just mimic the odds found anytime when predicting the future.



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I have only had a tarot reading once..and it did prove accurate. I cannot say whether I believe or disbelieve in them.

My understanding is that the cards can have different meanings based on the other cards drawn with them and it is more or less the interpretation of the person doing the reading.

I also have been told that the cards do not predict death as no one is able to do that.

If getting a reading is something you want to do and something you believe in then more power to you as you are showing that you have faith in something. We all have our own beliefs and ways.



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Death cannot be predicted? I find that hard top believe. Being born and dying are the two things that are always certain to happen to everyone. I would think it is more difficult to predict what happens in between birth and death. Wouldn't you?

And your(the member above me) statement about the different meanings of the cards when associated with others only adds to the number of outcomes possible, just as apropos; mirroring life choices and all.

o.O We have a paradox.



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So you state that you are not very accurate, now you also say that a person needs faith to have it be more accurate, correct? so then you say it is magic? Magic is creating illusion, so are you crafting an illusion of accuracy, to people that need to have faith that you are accurate?



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I think that when a person says that you have to faith or belief in order for something to either work, or occur, its akin to positive thinking.

Faith and belief are intangible as well as interchangeable.

When you are working with the intangible, faith and belief play an important role. The power of our minds, as well as positive thinking can go a long way in creating or helping along an outcome that you are trying for.

Don't get me wrong and misunderstand what I am saying. I am not saying, for instance, that if my leg suddenly broke, and I decided to positively think and have faith in the power of mind that my leg would miraculously heal, that it would. It's a high probability that it wouldn't. However, it is indeed a possibility that my positive thinking and faith/belief could help my leg heal quicker than what it would have if I had not thought positively and had faith/belief that it would.

When working with tarot in the sense being discussed, having belief and faith that the tarot will indeed give you the indications that you are searching for could help in it's accuracy. Negative thinking would only give you negative results as it does with anything else in life. The same applies to positive thinking. Why wouldn't it affect a reading through tarot?

Also, in regards to magic - there are more than just one definition. You apply to the "Magic is Illusion" definition, dabbler, whereas others subscribe to the more mysterious implications that magic can also define.



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That mystical claim I find to be a claim used by people that have nothing to show. They claim to have some mystical alignment.. yet they cannot produce anything above routine cold reading and divination by prompt.. so to declare something mysterious and mystical, is a cope out in my book, How people claim to be in touch with some cosmic force, that they can manipulate, no better then Holy Rollers and Snake Oil Sales Men. Magic is indeed what one makes of a persons imagination/faith, it is crafting the illusion that the person has mystic ability.. plan and simple, save your rhetoric for a True Believer..

A simple Parlor entertainment, nothing more.. one needs no faith, it is not Magik and it is a craft, a craft to perform a magic routine that creates the illusion that some mystic force is at work, so until you can film (in the presence of a third unrelated party person a 75% accurate reading then, stick to your impressionable, faithful, true believers, Oral Roberts has no Hot line to God, and Tarot readers have no Hot line to a mystic power source, out side their imagination.



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You truly misunderstand, dabbler, but you seem to do that often.

I am not saying that tarot readers have a mystical line to an all holy power. I am simply saying that faith and belief are very real for many people and that faith and belief - positive thinking - can go a long way. This has been proved. Perhaps faith/belief/positive-thinking helps in reading tarot, or connecting to ones subconcious.

The belief and faith that it WILL help you understand your life more clearly, or that it will give you clarity regarding whatever it is you are asking very well could bolster the accuracy and connection to the subconcious.

This is my opinion. And it is not wrong for me. Or many other people, for that matter.

You have a differing opinion, dabbler. It is not wrong for you.

So please, do remember this is opinion based.



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As an aid for probing a persons subconcious, that makes it a distraction and prompt, faith has nothing to do with entertainment, something is either entertaining or not entertaing, benifitual or not, I was going for the angle that those that claim to be "exceptional readers and yet cannot produce accuracy need to not claim that it is because the person lacks faith, it just means the reader sucks.



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As an aid for probing a persons subconcious, that makes it a distraction and prompt, faith has nothing to do with entertainment, something is either entertaining or not entertaing, benifitual or not, I was going for the angle that those that claim to be "exceptional readers and yet cannot produce accuracy need to not claim that it is because the person lacks faith, it just means the reader sucks.



Ok, first of all, that is the most serious run on sentence I have ever seen. I can barely make sense of it. Yet, I am going to make an attempt.

I think you might be saying that tarot is nothing but entertainment, which is fine for you. However, for other people, it is much more, and unrelated to, simple entertainment.

Faith/belief/positive-thinking, again, like I said earlier, goes a long way. To have no faith/belief/or positive thought towards something that you or another is doing can, not always, but can have an affect on an endeavor, whatever that endeavor might be.

Obviously there are "sucky" readers out there - there are sucky writers our there, too, evidence enough of that right here in this thread, dabbler, as well as sucky doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.. there are sucky people in every possible field you can think of.

Yet, again, I mention positive thinking regarding those who aren't "sucky" in their readings. Or those who do readings for themselves. I reiterate, faith/belief/ and our old friend, positive thinking, can take you far. This, I know to be a personal truth, and I am a firm believer that applying these to whatever is you endeavor to do, will help in achieving those desired results a person may have. Such as tarot readings.

Also, I'd like to mention, off topic, dabbler, all your talk of "snake oil" - you are using the phrase to exhibit your opinions on anything that you feel is fraudulent, or a hoax, correct? You do then realize, I hope, that snakes do have medicinal properties, and that snake oil is actually ancient chinese medicine that is still used today to help joint pain, as well as many skin ailments.


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Then you invest to much in a parlor game. Positive thinking makes no points with me, neither does faith, enlightenment, or belief.

In things that are sacred(ones acceptance of the after life) I respect others sacred held beliefs, yet all the ff, no I won't buy it, and I encourage others to scrutinize it.



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It is of no surprise to me, dabbler that you feel that, "Positive thinking makes no points with me, neither does faith, enlightenment, or belief."

That is quite obvious and explains a lot about you, personally, for me.

You say I invest too much time in what you deem to be "parlour games". That is your opinion. I feel otherwise, obviously.

To each their own.



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That is a very popular opinion, one that seems to be clearly evident when one reads the amount of fraud and hack readers.. so if you or someone you know has something that supports your opinion, please provide a link, I would also suggest they go for the 1,000,000,000 challenge to provide support for your opinion.



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Although Tarot cards are not my favorite form of "fortune telling" I have a friend who is excellent at it. The cards themselves have set meanings that anyone could memorize. However; if you are truly talented the cards are merely a way to focus your mind into scrying the future or to answer the question of the person's cards you are reading.

Tea leaves, bones and runes are three other ways of doing this. Then you could use a scrying mirror or even a bowl of water to get similar results.

Tarot (or even regular playing cards) as well as runes all have specific meanings, I am very good with runes. I will pull the runes but get images in my mind while concentrating (lightly meditating) on the person for whom I am reading and the runes themselves - this gives me insights into how the runes apply to that specific person.

It is a very interesting talent to be able to cultavate.



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A friend read my and everything she saw was true.Couldn't get the future,but yes I'm a believer.......


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My opinion, dabbler, is that positive thinking/faith and or belief can help in many instances regarding a plethora of things. If you need to have proof of the results of positive thinking/faith/belief, I would like to think that you have the intelligence to look for it yourself. I do not have the eagerness to do so for you, much less the need. Besides, you don't place any stock in positive thinking, belief, faith, enlightment (which also can mean knowledge) anyway, so why should I even bother?

In regards to this: "I would also suggest they go for the 1,000,000,000 challenge to provide support for your opinion." - I am mystified beyond my own belief as to what in the world you're talking about. What does this even mean?



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http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html



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I beleive in the cards, i think that they can pick up on vibrations of the person to whom they are being read for



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I was actually thinking about posting a thread about this earlier! I do believe in the cards. I want to learn how to read Ryder Waite Tarot cards. There are many different forms of cards. But those are my favorite.

I believe they are real because of the information that they give. When someone has a reading done, the cards are usually correct about there situations. And I don't think that everything can be blamed on coincidence.


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if anyone knows how to use Ryder Waite tarot cards please message me. All help would be greatly appreciated! : )


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I had a few Tarot readings, but not of great length. I think of our lives as a long road with many side streets. With each day that passes, we take another step towards our final goal--however, along the way, we have a choice of taking side streets, rather than a direct route. How we live out our lives depends on what route we decide to take.

I believe Tarot Cards to be the signs we see along our life trip (Stop, Yield, Detour, etc.) The cards should not be expected to predict the future, but used as a tool to make us think any options open to us when we come to a cross road--and to help guide us in the right direction.

How the signs are interpreted, depends upon how experienced and attuned to the cards the reader is.



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Nice post PsiVampire

They should be used as a tool for prediction. What I don't understand is if one do not believe in the cards go have a reading done anyway and if one has small believe in the one whom is doing the reading then go to someone else. It is easy to find a good reader by just not giving any info as the cards are being read. take notes first then after the read is done then have discussion. If you feel one is a fake then just simple do not go back.



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These are very good points. Thank you PSIvampire. I still believe that they can help us in life. When you have a reading done, all it really does is point out the odvious, in a way anyways.


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I do believe in it because I have used them and other ways of divination for years, practically my whole life. You can use anything.

I have made Ouija boards, used hair through a ring as a pendulum, you name it. I even used a potato chip with a friend as a planchette piece and it worked.



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The cards dont nessisarly mean what they mean if you get me, the death card means good, its common when people get the death card they get really worried. also the hanging man means good. but they can also mean different things if they are upside down and on there side!



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I niether believe or disagree I think each person believes in what they want they want to believe in



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very true. you can also use a simple pack of playing cards to read



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I do believe in the cards. I have been a tarot reader for many years now and find them helpful when you feel at a crossroads or blockage in my life.

I have learned that the cards aren't for fortune telling, to predict death, sickness and lottery wins is just a way to control and direct another persons life, influence their decision making and there fore make them come back to you for you to meddle in their life.

The tarot is different! It stops you for a moment to take stock look back at the past to see what had gone on in your life to lead you to where you are now, and show you the opportunities and possibilities, or the paths you can choose for tomorrow to help you decide for yourself the direction you wish to take.

The tarot is like a counsellor not a predictor of futures.



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I have seen cards being used and they make you think that they work but what they tell you anyone could figure out about from simple talking to you. So in the end the people that do cards are fakes in my opinion.



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It doesn't matter what they know or don't know about you. You can never tell the past, future, or even the present of someone, even if you know them down to their DNA. Why? Because that person isn't the only person responsible for his/her future.

So no matter how much tarot readers will ask about you, it doesn't mean they know what will happen to you the next minute.

Life is unpredictable.



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upside down? Those are called "reversed cards." And it is very rare that people use those. When I learn I won't use reversed cards. The death card means death. it doesn't mean physical death in all cases. It can mean death of a relationship, a friendship, or death of a relative. But you also have to remember that there are over 100 different types of Tarot decks. I'm going by the Rider Waite deck. Which is the most popular.


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The reverse card use is for 50/50 effect, if the first case is not correct then the second"reversed meaning usually is, Lorialy and PSI Vamp You both make a clear understanding of your acceptance of Tarot, there is an entertainment value, and as DW states Pointing out how transparent a sitter is.. placing personal matters, of investing stock in any claims of occult/mystical influence on the cards, that leaves room for being exploited by the reader, they are in a sense holding peoples loved ones spirit hostage.

The reason that it is enforced by the gaming regulations, reading parlors where bilking people out of inheirittance, with occult trickery, the agreement was met when entertaining readers came forward and made their cases, that if they either promised to predict the future, or connect with dead people then they where to be listed as clinical and they would need to show proof, Still No Proof.. that they do, unless you listen to the Tale Claims and interpatations of bunk psychics and readers, who are usually accurate.. in hind site..



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Yes, I believe. I am a card reader myself and find them to be extremely helpful when I am lost or confused. I also do daily readings when I wake. I agree with those who say that reading for the future is difficult. Due to free will of not only the person reading but also all of those who are around them, the future is easily and swiftly changed. Multiple times.



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i believe in cards being able to tell the future, etc. they come up randomly, and i dont see a reason why not, that they wouldnt be right.



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If nothing else their fun. Depends on who is doing the readings. Some are more gifted than others



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What do I think about it? Or believe in it?

Let's see...I believe that they could be. I've had a few readings done. Were my readings accurate? Not entirely.

It's almost the same as like a horoscope, they are never entirely accurate. I think that Tarot could be used as a guide, our paths change all the time.



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i believe before cards people used stones to tell the future such as runes but i feel cards can tell or atleast give you a basic guidline as to how things will be that are to come though not always 100% correct.



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I believe that the cards can suggest to us a path but not be 100% clear as to what it is but give us something to go on.

Take for example Nostradamus...did he accurately tell the future or did he just open our minds to what was possible?



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I do not rightly think they do.. I think we make our future.. But what do i know? Did the cards say i was going to put this on the forum? Who knows!!



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i think past a present they are true but because one move can change a future i dont believe they are as accurate in reading the future



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I must admit cards are pretty but they can not be precis

I mean by that a precis yes or no, a precis name or gender a precis time, date etch.

They can be useful and fun but not more then a just cards.

An object more precis is better to look into the future, past and present, like a pendulum or other smiliar tools for supernatural.



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I do believe in it. I have my own deck of cards, and those I have given readings to have said I am quite accurate most of the time.



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Yes I do believe in them I believe that some people hold a stronger bond to that of the other realms and being able to open their third eye helps.



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I believe in them and I've had mine read...several years ago. I was afraid at first because I was worried they'd tell me I was going to die. I was just being silly though. I think they were pretty accurate. I'd like to have it done again, but I don't know who, how or when. That's one sucky thing about living in the Bible Belt. :(



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They are the Divination tools are trust the most, however they tell only a part of the future, which actually are chances not exactly telling the future, things could turn out differently, depending how the person in question deals with the situations.



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while I do believe these work to a degree,Im not inclined to use them.They are fun tho and have always enjoyed watching others who know how to use them .



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I have never had a tarot reading, I am very interested in one, but maybe also a bit scared of what it would tell me. Even if I belived it to be fake, I would always have that doubt in my mind, like am I supposed to be living a different life?



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Well, Count, you are right... Rune Stones (Norse) and Ogham Sticks (Celtic) existed way before any form of Card reading.


"No one knows quite where or when Tarot originated, but the Tarot we use today dates back to the mid-fifteenth century."

http://www.angelfire.com/goth/paganslounge02lrc/tar.html


"Playing cards first entered Europe in the late 14th century with the Mamelukes of Egypt"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot



"The earliest runic inscriptions date from around 150 AD"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runes


"The evidence points to a creation date for ogham not post-dating the 4th century. Although the use of "classical" ogham in stone inscriptions seems to have flowered in the 5th–6th centuries around the Irish Sea, from the phonological evidence it is clear that the alphabet predates the 5th century."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham



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I have always found the tarot to be a bit scetchy so I try to stay away from such things. I would much rather have my fate in my own hands then in a deck cards. (no offence to anyone of course.)



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I do believe in cards. My mother is a tarot card reader and can get very accurate. She once did it as an occupation over the phone, and when she did, she had a client who was pregnant and having an affair. my mother knew because of the cards.



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The tarot deals with you as an individual it may suggest that someone in the readers life has helped them be at the point they are at.

The tarot deals with the present, it looks in the recent past which is weeks or months, not years! It will just show that an incident or a particular person or situation has some part of their present situation. As for the future the tarot will only tell you what can happen if you deal with the present, the possible direction.

A lot of people mistake the tarot for fortune telling. And that is where those dealing the cards will direct and use guile to find out about your life to tell you what you want to hear.

A tarot reader will tell the truth as they read it from the cards.

I have been reading for so long now it isn't funny and I have always had positive responses for my readings. I help the person resolve their current problems not tell them they are going to fall in love with some dark handsome stranger or win the lottery that is all hog wash to me.



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i sometimes read my own.i would let somebody else read them for me.the vikings did something called rune or bone casting.



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The Mystery of the cards are great, they seem to be right on in many ways somehow, as for future readings, every time you look at the future it changes, because you looked at it, and you end up too focused on that out come that you end up missing vital pieces which then takes you in other directions, so really, let go of the outcome of things and just follow your path towards the future but remain present as well. so the future readings are better for encouragement and guidance, but not to be set in stone.



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Yes I do beleive to read someone past is a great thing but to tell some one the furture is not a easy thing as people change a feeling change on everthing.



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Any one that reads the tarot knows that future predictions are not truly possible nor are they likely to unfold. There are numerous paths that a reader could choose to follow.

I agree with a previous post that the future part of the tarot is just a probable ending to the situation. Or what can occur... the tarot deals with the present.



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i just prefer to find out what is gonna happen as i get there, and don't care what has already happened, its over



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Out of my experience I learned that the Celtic tarot cards work best for me. I use them for all kind of readings, and they prove to be always correct, and are a very useful tool in explaining, and clarifying numerous questions. The experience thought me, that one needs to be honest in the questions, so will the cards cooperate in the most beneficial way, revealing a clear path, and answers.



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yes i belive they are a potral to your past present and future.why? because when ever i have my cards read they always tell me what has happened what is happening and what is going to happen



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One thing I do know is that nothing is written in stone when it comes to a tarot reading. Your cards for one day may be completely different from another day. What the cards show is the path you are currently taking, but if you change paths...the cards of course, are going to read differently. Only you can choose your destiny.



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i completely believe in them...i aunt did a terrot reading on me and she mentioned somthing bout a broken bound and then a big change... i was skeptical untill about a year later when my parents divorced out of nowere and then we all moved 2000 miles away... it made a believer out of me lol



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i read my tarot every month i never go more the 3 months without a reading.. and i always see the truth it them..



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i am a firm believer in them they have never lied to me as of yet... and until they do i plan to continue my use of them... be it tarot or angel or animal cards... all have great power in them!



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I've never had my fortune told myself. However, I do think it is possible with the tarot and someone who truly has a psychic gift.



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I've actually had someone give me a reading with regular playing cards. I was extremely skeptical at the time, but she was very accurate with things that happened in the past, and now that a few years have gone by I'd say she was pretty accurate with the future as well. She said this was something she had learned from Gypsies. Has anyone else ever heard of doing readings this way/



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17:09:56 Aug 16 2008
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I used to read have not done it in a while....think sometimes the energy was overwhelming....I would never read friends though mainly because you often see what you really don't want to know.



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12:29:59 Aug 17 2008
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how many of you have had the exact same cards 2 or 3 times in a row



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12:45:39 Aug 17 2008
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I have never experienced that one....the readings are basically the same if I redo them...but never the same exact cards....plus asking me to redo something more than once i think is just rude. lol



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12:58:44 Aug 17 2008
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do you think the cards sometimes lie



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