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Yeh now iv got your attention lol

I was reading up on the latest find of suspected vampire grave:
Linky link

is this the oldest do you think and what does this mean to you?

http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/377/czech_national_news/25427/

lol good one..

i think stoning in holding corpse down was a common thing back then especially with how everyone believed..

I'm not too sure about this...I mean...4000 year old remains? What remains would be left after 4000 years? It doesn't specify.

Mostly once a body has laid in a grave for close to 100 years without preservation measures it decays almost to dust.

I can't imagine what would be left of a 4000 year old body.

I'd like to know more though...it does sound somewhat fascinating.

Wow I would of thought this shows the vampire myth going back quite some way would be interesting you all vampire lovers?

In the old days, didn't they used to put a stake through the heart of the poor souls who committed suicide to stop them from rising from the grave?

I thought this was "Stoned" as in marijuana use. LOL

Anyway, stoning people has been used for so many years. I don't even know when it started. Those who are stoned are usual people who won't convert to other peoples ways and are "different".

Wow, didn't want him to get u[p and walk off, many practices were done to prevent the body from leaving the grave, especially those who may be considered a vampire. Something must have been noticed at the time of death to go to this extreme.

He could have merely acquired some disfiguring disease and the others didn't want to share in his bad luck.

Whatever, I'm sure he was a misunderstood fellow.

Oh that's cool, and I was only just in Prague. I'm never ever going back, if I can help it. I'm beginning to think that there is more to these 'rising dead people' than one might think. Perhaps they were/are not vampires at all, but (as mentioned in another thread) have discovered the way to rise again after death. Jesus did the same thing, no one thought that he was a vampire.

What I have understood about stoning was that it was used for people that had diseases or people that were what others call different from the normal. I am not truly sure about this process but I do find your topic interesting and would like to know more about it.

WOW!! that is interesting, and I thought they did put stones on bodies that were diseased or cursed to keep them from rising back then as a precaution, maybe I am mis informed LOL yet I know they used to stone people to death LOL

I had to respond to this because I first thought this was going to be regarding effects of drugs on vampires. I would have had an answer for that...... :)

As for the stoning of Vampires--stoning is just an old time "Community involved" style of punishment. I am sure that it may have been used on those thought to be vampires, as was done to witches, but not specifically.

Jesus did the same thing, no one thought that he was a vampire.

LOL.
I must say I am also quite intrigued - I would definitely like to know more :)

Yes stoning has been around for a long long time, and yes a good poit about Christ no one did question that and that has been brought up over and over again, as he was a healer but he was prsicuted as witch or anything of the sort.

I recently read an article on this and it stated that stones were placed upon the body of one that were thought to be evil . This supposedly prevent the evil from returning from the dead.

These all deal with beliefs and superstitions. He may have committed some crime, who knows. They thought many things about the soul and people coming back but not always that it was because they were vampires. Without knowing who he was and why they put the stones on him...its hard to say if he really was thought to be a vampire. It could just have dealt with a belief of the time period. Doesn't mean he was one per se.

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Close but no cigar re Jesus and stones.

A large stone was used to seal the chamber his body was left in after the cruxification.

Right, no weighty stones on Jesus' cadaver, but Was Jesus buried in the Hebrew tradition?

i think the stranget part of this is the 4000 year old thing, they mention it so offhandedly in the artical, i mean, how many 4000 y/o corpses do they find, on a somewhat related note, the sumerians made mention to the ekimmu around 5000 years ago, the first vampire?

Back in the old days they had some strange ways.. Of course now a days is funny as well. But i heard the same thing about being staked if you committed suicide as well.

so this was a supposed vampire then correct..

odd.. You would think that the remainds would be gone. But if it was in a cemetary you would assume that that is why they figured someone had been underthere.. i have never heard of the stone thing.. Intersting..

well jesus was not weighed down with stones .. just one stone that sealed the tomb.

many countries have strange beliefs as to buring the dead thought to be evil or of bad blood.

so to stone a vampire makes sense.

a vampire stoned now that would be a sight to see lol

crazy isnt it

Lol
Reading some replies is verging on painful lol

i would have to agree

Rising dead? Hmmm more like gas and contraction of ligaments.

Many cultures believed that those who were different were evil somehow...even not so long ago it was thought that if you were left-handed that you were evil...I had two older sisters who were left handed and their teachers used to try to get them to write with their right hands because being left-handed was supposed to be a sign of evil...crazy huh?

Placing stones on a grave 4,000 years ago doesn't seem all that odd considering the mindset of that time period.

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I didn't come up with the Jesus thing, it was written in an earlier post!

Also did no one hear of those chinese empiror dudes who were like thousands of years old?

Oh and bodies buried in certain places like peat marshes/swamps etc preserve remarkably well.

I had read (will get the title of the book once I feel less lethargic) that when a town believed someone had become a vampire they cut out the heart, burned the body and buried the ashes with salt beneath a pile of limestone. the heart was then burned to ash and put in the family bread, which everyone ate for protection.

ew, why did they believe it would protect them?
not only does it sound icky i just wonder if they would be scared they would turn into vamps themselves or something >.>
besides the heart and its ashes wouldve still had blood traces in wouldnt they?

Well, to be honest, I haven't the slightest idea what elements ashes would carry that could be of any damage -- I also do not know any vamps. So there. As for the eating of the bread, the general belief, as I understand, was that sharing in the consumption of the heart of the loved one a) acted as a talisman against vampirism b) prevented any family member possibly taken ill due to blood loss (and usually any and every other affliction).

Beyond the ick factor, it is more of a matter of people holding desperately to anything that explains fear. If a petrified turd stew were necessary for some horrible thing, I am willing to bet there would be apprehension but consumption.

Ahhh, so you mean if the vampire was IN their family, ie son, daughter, father etc.

I thought you meant like the victim's family or just general random people >.>

And yeah, I totally get what you mean, people do all kinds of weird shit if they reckon it cures something :S

It's an interesting story and the locals may have thought he was indeed a vampire. As for oldest I doubt it. The oldest legend goes back some 6,000 years in Sumerian mythology. Of course since most myths have a bases in truth I would suspect it goes back much farther.

To get back on subject, the locals are most likely mistaken as Xzavier has already mentioned (and I am piggy-backing) Sumerian mythology covers blood gods.

Wow reading through this I see the usual suspects.
Those who just read the title
Those who just read the one above there post
Those who just came out of left field and im surprised you have lasted this long.
Those who pulled Jesus out of it….. lol

So to recap “This is for the first time Czech archaeologists have uncovered a "vampire's" grave, Nova said” so what does this mean to those who understand what an educated response is?

Thanks Xzavier for your comment… I know of such beings in Sumerian times are there graves there too?

Not that I know of, just the stories so far.

On a similar topic they did find some other graves from around 6,000 years ago in the same area as this "vampire" who had a well developed written language. I'll have to do some digging to get the specifics.

That would be interesting … all I know of written is 1748 der vampire about the myths floating around.
I know the whole world has vampiric beings in their past…. It is turning out to be quite the hunt lol

EH VAMPIRE LOVERS, ID HAVE TO SAY WERE IS THIS GOING I NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF THIS BEFORE BUT, YEA....

ANYWAYS..

sorry caps.lock hehee...

I think its and interesting thread. i ll need to look into this more for iam fascinated vampires

This practice with vampires is much the same as today's commonly held belief of staking the vampire.

Staking the vampire through the heart(or into the wood of its coffin) is said to hold the physical remains of the vampire on Earth whilst the soul escapes to the afterlife.

Using stones serves the same rudimentary purpose.

They have been using stones on graves and sometimes inside for a long time. A cairn is just a pile of stones and in vampire tales especially out of Ireland and Scotland they often put stones over a grave of someone they thought might be a vampire and come back. Then there are the werewolf beliefs where they think a werewolf who is killed might come back as a vampire. All of this could account for that. Usually it was superstition that caused this because they didn't understand a lot of medical conditions like the coma. This is how the wake got started. Earlier than that they just thought it was supernatural. I doubt this was a vampire...just someone who got buried for some reason or another that way. Could have believed he was a harbinger of diseases or even bad omen. It could have been someone convicted of a crime or someone accused of being almost anything. We don't even know if it was particular practice done by a specific tribal group meaning something other than what they are saying...that's a long time ago. As for the stake they believed the heart was the seat of the soul so they would stake them in the heart to release the soul and believed in this way they wouldn't come back. This was done for suicides and those executed because they were buried in unconsecrated ground. I really think it is because of the modern interest in the topic of vampires that this issue even comes up.

Intresting wonder if they find anything else....

It doesn't really mean anything to me, nor do I believe it be the oldest vampire case. I suppose there might have been tales of vampire like creatures dating the evolution of man. Anything [not really but still] is possible.

That's actually pretty fascinating. I wish there could be more information about it. That makes me wonder what that man did while he was alive that would make people want to take such precautions. Or maybe it had to do with the way he died. *shrugs*

I think there could be some older then this one, maybe back in the stone age or so at the beginning of the earth.

i think its a faked. come on its like the bigfoot thing

Something like this I do not think we would ever know its all just guessing. Becuse we do not know who did it to him and why. Alot people was killed for being so called witchs but sure alot them was never into it.

Hi bleachangelv yes we do not know, they are however a science historical organization and they believe as they understand vampires, this was a grave.
Witches believe it or not as most believe us to be is not true just propaganda from religions who fear us and sort to destroy…… just coz we know some truths makes us dangerous I guess

I think that humans will go to loads of extra leinght to fight their fear and their ignorance, causing them to do things we can imagine and things we can not even imagine.

What a interesting read thought with all the mod cons now it won't be long before the have the poor old thing pulled apart and put through all the new things.

Perhaps the stones were placed on the grave to keep wolves and other hungery critters from eating the dear departed. This has been a common practice for quite some time.

your article has expired

from reading what everyone else has said, it sounded very intresting, too bad, it expired.

I might look into this more it seems intriguing

yes but it's hard to say

i suppose so...

I would go for the therory about protecting the corpes from animals.

I'm Not Sure What To Think

Ok kids… link dead.
I have cut n pasted the article so have a good read.
Pardubice, East Bohemia, July 11 (CTK) - Archaeologists have uncovered a 4000-year-old grave in Mikulovice, east Bohemia, with remains of what might have been considered a vampire at the time, Nova TV has reported.
The experts made the terrifying find within their research of a burial site from the Early Bronze Age.
One of the graves was situated somewhat aside. The skeleton in it bears traces of unusual treatment.
When buried, the dead man was weighed down with two big stones, one on his chest and the other on his head.
"Remains treated in this way are now considered as vampiric. The dead man's contemporaries were afraid that he might leave his grave and return to the world," Radko Sedlacek from the East Bohemia Museum said.
This is for the first time Czech archaeologists have uncovered a "vampire's" grave, Nova said.
In ancient times, people believed vampires are the dead who occasionally return among the living to harm their health or property.

Yes but they would have to believe he was going to come back because of something else. They may have thought he was some sort of sorcerer or necromancer, who knows or even a werewolf. They believed if you killed a werewolf, they could come back as a vampire and a very powerful one. So he may have been accused of being a werewolf.

It could have been alot of things. They did that to possible witches. Or what they believed to be witches. Vampire, werewolf, zombie, etc. They obviously thought something was up.

More proof we do exist VV

im so very dissapointed that the article expired but from what people have said about discovering a 4,000 year old "vampire" body is something that i would have loved to read about =(

Don’t be disappointed … that was an article on a blog, they do that.
You can google and find more
I guess that’s a sign of the quick instant fix of force feed corporate world tactics reflecting in a simple comment.lol
They sure did want to keep that one in the grave for sure, and no it wasn’t to keep animals from eating him lol

Ok go me intersted so looked it up on the interent

They use to cut there heads off and put them between there legs and place a stone on there body so the could not get up