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So evidently there a few companies taking the ashes of cremated people and pets and turning them into diamonds:

http://www.lifegem.com/ for example

What are your thoughts on this? Would it be degrading to be worn as jewelry? Is it lovely to have your ashes remolded into a brilliant stone for your loved ones to cherish? Is it Icky? Would you want this for yourself or your loved ones?




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This is the first I have ever heard about this. I think it is weird, but it is something I would give some thought about.

I think it is a good idea. Think about it in a way it is something that would grow with every generation of the family if they were set into ring or a piece of jewellery.



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22:32:48 Oct 16 2008
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I think it would depend on how the families felt on their deceased ones.



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I know several individuals that have taken their departed members and had ash trays or pottery made with them. to me it is a little morbid, but to each its own like those who have been cremated and are in yurns still on the mantles. they donot want to part with them. i fought to have my brothers ashes spread where he loved to camp but his mom refused its been 10 years and now she is realizing to let him go.



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My mum wants to be made into a diamond. I actually think it's a lovely idea, to turn a body into a beautiful little thing that a loved one can keep on them or display somewhere. I don't think it's creepy, it's a bit like keeping an urn of ashes, but much nicer. I personally don't want to be a diamond though.



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00:43:02 Oct 17 2008
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My thought on this is will they let your go? Would the family move on with their lives. So no diamond for me, save they money & use it to help someone.



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I can just see some member of the family getting strung out on drugs.. and Eyeing Grandma The Ring for pawn..
I have heard of this, the founder was on Man Cows Show, the process is expensive, but comparable to burial.



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And lets not forget the rash of sham Funeral Companies on and off for the last 5 years. This is a considerate thing to do in a Save the future land kind of way.



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02:06:53 Oct 17 2008
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It sounds nice but I agree with Dabbler. I can't help but think of people trying to pawn their ancestors.....
I would consider it based on a few things, but I would rather them not spend so much money on me after I'm already dead. Unless it's covered by life insurance? lol

Honestly, creepy though this may sound, I believe bodies should be recycled. No reason you can't still have a monument to them, but make the body something useful.



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Well I have known about this for quite awhile now and people around the net have been talking about it. It came up when we went for funeral arrangements for my Mother. There was really only one company that did this at the time. I am not aware if any others have opened up. The color depends on the biology of the person they make them from. The funeral director said most he had seen were greenish or pinkish. They don't come out clear looking exactly like diamonds at least not from what I was told and they are highly expensive.



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03:07:49 Oct 17 2008
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To me I believe if the loved one wishes or don't mind being carried around like that, then I don't see a problem. Its just another way for people to have the feeling of protection or being watched over.



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03:17:55 Oct 17 2008
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To each his/her own...

Personally I've never been a huge diamond fan in general. My wife and I both prefer colored stones (sapphire, emerald, ruby)



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03:28:31 Oct 17 2008
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they have colored diamonds as well..you can get these stones in clear, blue, green yellow and red.



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03:32:24 Oct 17 2008
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This is a little different. I went to the website and read about the stone. It is not something I would want done.



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It's definitely not anything i would want done. I like the idea of an all natural burial out in the woods with just a plaque. I have talked to a few that want to sign their bodies over to science, like the body exhibit that's in Chicago. Then again once i am deceased what difference does it make how my body is used? I won't feel it or know about it.



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I have heard of this procedure, and personally I would love to take the ashes of my loved ones and have them turned into a diamond that I wear on a chain. This way they will all always be near my heart, and always a part of me no matter where I go in life.



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I used to think this was really neat... until I gemology community I am a part of revealed to me this is a hoax. There's a lot to it I can't remember off the top of my head, but I will look to see if I still have the emails.



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Truth about Life Gems

The truth is in the US Patent Applications! LifeGem Owner claims to be using HPHT, US Patent application says otherwise!
I knew the truth was in there somewhere. Just took some time to find it. The truth about the LifeGem® program is right there in black and white inside their US Patent Applications #20030017932 and #20040031434. After a great deal more research into these US Patent applications I realized that the use of the term “sublimation” was not a misnomer to refer to the CVD synthesis process. Instead, LifeGem® in fact applied for US Patents for a process claiming to make synthetic diamonds using the sublimation method of gemstone synthesis.


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“[0031] Using the process of crystal growth from sublimation according to techniques of the type described but not limited to the process described in U.S. Pat. Nos. 34,061, 6,200,917, 6,025,289, 6,045,613, 4,042.673 and 5,762,896” US Patent Application # 20030017932 [0037] In the preferred embodiment, the process of crystal growth from sublimation is used according to techniques of the type described but not limited to the process described in U.S. Pat. Nos. 34,061, 6,200,917, 6,025,289, 6,045,613, 4,042,673 and 5,762,896. US Patent Application # 20040031434



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After further review of their list of referenced US Patents from their applications, LifeGem® is indeed claiming to be using the sublimation technique and refers to several other patents that also create gemstones using sublimation, including a 1995 US Patent #5,762,896 held by Hunter; Charles Eric (Raleigh, NC), Verbiest; Dirk (Carrboro, NC), originally known as: C3. Now known as Charles and Colvard, Ltd. Makers of synthetic moissanite. The problem: You cannot create synthetic diamonds by sublimation. Which brings us to the question: Exactly what is LifeGem® delivering to its clients? I called LifeGem® and had a very nice talk to one of the principal owners, Dean VandenBiesen. He informed me that LifeGem® uses the HPHT process of diamond synthesis. But could not clearly explain to me why both of their US Patent Applications listed their process as sublimation, and referenced other US Patents using sublimation. His main response was that, the process of diamond production was not the important issue, that the carbon extraction process was the important issue of the patent. But I never could get a proper answer as to why the listed technology on their US Patent, and the claimed "patented technology" in their promotional materials, are so remarkably different. Particularly when their true and formal US Patented technology cannot make a synthetic diamond. And their patented extraction methods listed in their US Patent Applications are no where to be found on their website and brochure. In fact, the one method of obtaining carbon from traditional cremation ashes listed on their website, is listed as not viable in their US Patent applications! In the end, we are still left with questions. The promotional claims of their brochure and the website do not equal the science of their documents. And their patent does not truly reflect a diamond making process by their own admission. But I wanted to clarify the issue of the term sublimation in their US Patent Office Applications. As far as the rest, whenever I see a company with this many discrepancies in their official documents, it just makes me wonder if they have something to hide. Makes me feel like Dorothy in Oz. I want to take a look to see if there's a man behind that curtain.


There were more emails after that one, but I am not sure if I have them on file still :( I just thought I would share that much though, because I wouldn't mess around with my family's remains thinking I was getting something, and actually wasn't :(


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05:38:40 Oct 17 2008
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my understanding is that they heat the ashes in a crucible to release the graphite...then they seed the graphite wuth a diamond crystal under intense heat and pressure.



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I'll just post the rest here, which is a LOT to go through... but if you are interested in the subject, it's worth reading about.



A combined edition of Jewelry Adjuster and the ISG eNewsletter!

As an insurance adjuster with several years in the field of forensic gemology and insurance fraud investigations, I admit that I have become a bit jaded to some of the unregulated claims of certain members of the jewelry industry. But this one is something different. Something a bit more sinister, more macabre, than the usual. Something that pulls at the heart strings of everyone who has lost a loved one, and that uses grief to sell what is purported to be diamonds made from human remains. And claims to let everyone out there be able to show off your new ring and say: my Dead Dad’s a Diamond! But here are the questions that have been bugging me ever since the first report of this LifeGem® process was announced. #1. I have handled jewelry salvage from home fires for years. And I know that many house fires can easily reach the 1400 to 1800 degree F temperature range. And diamonds (carbon) burn up at around 1800 degrees F. Meaning that when we looked for the salvage jewelry, the gold was there, the rubies were there, the sapphires were there, but the diamonds had burnt up in a flash of smoke in the fire. So….if a human body is cremated at temperatures between 1400 degrees and 1800 degrees F according to the ICFA http://www.icfa.org/cremation.htm#Cremation1, and we know that carbon is burned and consumed at this same temperature, how can there be any carbon left in the cremated human body to create a diamond? But we’ll come back to this one. #2. This is a tricky one. The processes used to create synthetic diamonds are difficult to produce and require very specific conditions. You either have to use High Temperature and High Pressure that emulates conditions below the earth. Or else you use what is called Chemical Vapor Deposition that uses methane gas and hydrogen to create carbon rain on a seed plate that creates a diamond. You can use a peanut to make diamonds using HPHT. But the LifeGem® folks don’t say they use HPHT. They say they use “sublimation” which is a cool term for CVD. The only problem that we will see later is that the CVD process cannot use human tissue, cooked or otherwise, to create a diamond in the methods that LifeGem® claims in their brochures or their patent application. So, I thought we would take a serious look at the LifeGem® claims and see if there is something we can uncover to get some answers. But very important…… Every insurance adjuster, underwriter, agent, jeweler, gemologist, and appraiser needs to read this very carefully. Because one day you are going to get asked to repair, grade, appraise, insure, or handle a claim for one of these….and you are going to need the information I am about to provide.


First, what is it?



This is LifeGem®. A company that claims to offer solace to the grieving by turning your newly departed loved one into “a certified, high-quality diamond created from the carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique life.” http://www.lifegem.com/

And the process is presented as so loving, so easy, and so caring. They claim that you will have a diamond made exclusively from the carbon from your loved one:


“LifeGem diamonds are created individually from your specific carbon source in our patented process.”http://www.lifegem.com/



And very important, they will use the ashes from any standard cremation to create your LifeGem:



“This process of creating a LifeGem begins with a portion of the cremated remains from any standard cremation. From here, we extract the carbon to begin the LifeGem diamond creation process.”http://www.lifegem.com/

And they even give you a step by step rendition of the process that states:



Step 1. Carbon Capture
After extensive research and development, we have discovered how to extract the carbon from a lock of hair or existing cremated remains. This process begins with either an amount of hair collected during a routine hair cut, or a small portion of the remains from any standard cremation.

They claim to be able to make a HUGE number of diamonds from each of your dear departed’s: “Our process is so streamlined, we are able to create over 100 certified, high-quality LifeGem diamonds as memorials for each family if they so choose.” http://www.lifegem.com/ And the order instructions are easy as all you need to do is open up the urn with Dear Old Dad’s ashes and:
Step 4 Package and Secure

….If sending cremated remains, separate out NO MORE THAN 8 ounces (about 1 Cup) and tightly secure in a plastic bag or other plastic container. DO NOT send all of the remains. http://www.lifegem.com/

And the Testimonials are just heart wrenching
"Just thinking about Gerry's diamond gives me a warm feeling; it's almost as though he's going to be coming home again."

"Thank you so very much...it is absolutely stunning. I opened the box, and there it was..the exact color of my mother's eyes!"

"The Blue LifeGem sparkles with radiant light as my dear mother did while on earth." Well, I hate to say it, lady, but that is most likely not your Mom that you are looking at. Seems that a serious look at the LifeGem® product is going to leave a lot of questions in a lot of people’s minds about exactly what they are wearing….not who. What the LifeGem® documents really say: If we let all of the promotional brochures go for now, and delve into the actual US Patent Office records, the story changes dramatically. And I mean very dramatically from the promotional brochure. All full of yucky stuff that I really don’t think the LifeGem® folks want consumers to know about. But you all as jewelers, gemologists, appraisers and insurance professionals really need to know this because repairs, appraisals and claims are coming your way based on the number of these diamonds being sold. I am going to simply cut and paste the information out of the United States Patent Office Application filed by the LAW OFFICES OF MARK E WIEMELT, PC 10 SOUTH LASALLE STREET #3500, CHICAGO IL 60603 on behalf of VandenBiesen, Russell P.; (Naperville, IL) ; Herro, Gregory R.; (Chicago, IL) ; VandenBiesen, Dean T.; (Oshkosh, WI).
These involve two US Patent Applications: 20030017932


United States Patent Application
20030017932

Kind Code
A1

VandenBiesen, Russell P. ; et al.
January 23, 2003




And 20040031434



United States Patent Application
20040031434

Kind Code
A1

VandenBiesen, Russell P. ; et al.
February 19, 2004




And the World Intellectual Property Organization file



Pub. No.:



WO/2003/008084





International Application No.:



PCT/US2002/022434

Publication Date:
30.01.2003
International Filing Date:
11.07.2002

Chapter 2 Demand Filed: 06.02.2003








IPC:
B01J 3/06 (2006.01), C30B 23/00 (2006.01)

Applicants:


VANDENBIESEN, Russell, P. [US/US];

1987 Golden Gate Lane , Naperville , IL 60563
(US).
HERRO, Gregory, R. [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton,
Ste. 1N
, Chicago , IL 60614 (US).
VANDENBIESEN, Dean, T. [US/US];
734 Powers Street , Oshkosh , WI 54901
(US).

(US). [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton, , Chicago , IL 60614 (US). [US/US]; (US). (US). [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton, , Chicago , IL 60614 (US). [US/US]; (US). (US). [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton, , Chicago , IL 60614 (US). [US/US]; (US).
Inventors:


VANDENBIESEN, Russell, P. [US/US];

1987 Golden Gate Lane , Naperville , IL 60563
(US).
HERRO, Gregory, R. [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton,
Ste. 1N
, Chicago , IL 60614 (US).
VANDENBIESEN, Dean, T. [US/US];
734 Powers Street , Oshkosh , WI 54901
(US).

(US). [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton, , Chicago , IL 60614 (US). [US/US]; (US). (US). [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton, , Chicago , IL 60614 (US). [US/US]; (US). (US). [US/US]; 2721 N. Wilton, , Chicago , IL 60614 (US). [US/US]; (US).
Agent:
WIEMELT, Mark, E.; Law Offices of Mark E. Wiemelt, P.C., Suite 3500, 10 South LaSalle Street, Chicago, IL 60603 (US).

Priority Data:
60/306,053



17.07.2001



US

10/100,666



18.03.2002



US








Title:
METHOD FOR MAKING SYNTHETIC GEMS COMPRISING ELEMENTS RECOVERED FROM COMPLETE OR PARTIAL HUMAN OR ANIMAL REMAINS AND THE PRODUCT THEREOF


With all of the legal stuff out of the way, here is a breakdown of what is really going on. And rather than try to go back and forth on this, I am simply going to go through and provide you with quotes right out of the patent applications. You can decide for yourself if you believe that you can really just dip up an 8 ounce cup of Dear Old Dad’s ashes and send him off to be made into as many diamonds as you want. First, a definition:



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graph·i·tize /?græf ??ta?z/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[graf-i-tahyz]

to convert into graphite. Go look at your pencil to see some graphite. Remember this, it will be important later.




Now, the LifeGem folks claim that they use “any standard cremated remains” and “or a small portion of the remains from any standard cremation.” in their brochure.

But in their patent application they say this won’t work because: [0043] “Since conventional cremation eliminates most of the native carbon,….” This is what I sort of thought to begin with. So what do they recommend? Some very unconventional cremation actions that most families might not approve of if they knew about it being done to their loved ones. Here are a few recommended LifeGem® steps used in retrieving carbon from a loved one that may surprise you….


“The preferred process for collection begins with the oven operator positioning the body in the oven so that the head and chest area are not positioned directly underneath the main burner. This can be accomplished by positioning the body to the left or right side of the main burner, or positioning the body so that the legs and feet are underneath the main burner rather than the head and torso. Positioning the body in this manner assures that carbon will remain in the body's head area. The carbon can then be gathered by hand, or by using a metal shovel or scoop, or the like.”

Geez….let me get a mental image of that while wearing my LifeGem®. That’s a long way from just scooping up 8 ounces of Dear Old Dad’s ashes. Or you can cremate just a part of Dear Old Dad and leave the rest for LifeGem:


“Alternatively, one or more body parts may be cremated.”

Or just cook until the good stuff starts to show:
“After combustion of the remains has progressed to the point of revealing carbonized remains such as organ tissue, the operator separates the carbonized remains from the rest of the remains.”

I guess that metal shovel will come in handy again. And what about those cup full’s of ashes that you send in:
“…the remains can be cremated conventionally, mixed with additional carbon from another source, and purified as described above. It is contemplated that, using this technique, a gem containing at least some of the original carbon from the cremated remains can be prepared, even if the amount of carbon present in the remains alone is insufficient to make a gemstone of desired size or type.”

Now wait a minute, at no place in the brochure and website did LifeGem® say they were going to mix Dad with carbon from another source. In fact they specifically stated that:


“LifeGem diamonds are created individually from your specific carbon source in our patented process.”



“Our process is so streamlined, we are able to create over 100 certified, high-quality LifeGem diamonds as memorials for each family if they so choose.”

Wait a minute!


What we are reading is that you have three options: #1 Have your loved one only partially cremated and have their innards scooped out with a metal shovel and sent to LifeGem®, or #2 cut them into body parts to be selectively cremated with the rest going to LifeGem®, or #3 do what they say and send an 8 ounce scoop of traditional ashes to LifeGem® which will not be enough to make even one diamond. This sounds downright ghoulish to me. And I am not sure I want my loved ones scooped, cut up, dipped and falsified. And it sure seems a long way from the pictures painted by the brochure and website. But, it gets better! The final question is this: Is LifeGem® really making the diamonds they claim?


There appears to be a fatal flaw in their claimed process. Here is the situation.

You remember the term graphitized that we learned above. Well the High Pressure High Temperature process of making synthetic diamonds uses graphite as the carbon source for making synthetic diamonds. And that is precisely the source that LifeGem® claims they use in their patent application:


“In addition to being pure within 10 ppm, the carbon also becomes graphitized by the high temperatures, which is necessary to provide graphite for the crystal growth process.”

But here is the problem, the actual process that they claim to use is sublimation, or Chemical Vapor Deposition. “….by collecting substantially pure elemental carbon from the remains and creating gems from the carbon, as by using crystal growth sublimation to form diamonds.” "It is necessary to provide graphite for the crystal growth process. " But you don’t use graphite to make sublimation formed diamonds. You use a gas:


“Chemical vapor deposition of diamond is a method of growing diamond by creating the environment and circumstances necessary for carbon atoms in a gas to settle on a diamond substrate in diamond crystalline form.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond So LifeGem® is claiming to use sublimation deposition that requires a gas, but they say they turn the carbon into graphite which is solid, to use in the sublimation process that requires a gas. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
graph·ite /?græf a?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[graf-ahyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun
a very common mineral, soft native carbon, occurring in black to dark-gray foliated masses, with metallic luster and greasy feel: used for pencil leads, as a lubricant, and for making crucibles and other refractories; plumbago; black lead.



At no place in their US Patent Office Application did LifeGem® ever explain any of this. In fact they just glossed over the entire process by which the synthetic diamonds would be made. Leaving only these glaring contradictions that make it appear that what they claim to be doing…..cannot be happening. In reality, the CVD process uses a gas such as methane that in the chamber, and by processes that no one could fully explain, separates out into elements with carbon raining out as diamond and graphite on the diamond seed plate. And the hydrogen cleans the graphite off the seed plate leaving the deposited diamond. But at no point in their US Patent Application was this clarified, or stated. And the graphite is a by product of the CVD gas, not the other way around. There is a massive amount of information in these US Patent Documents, as well as a lot of discussions across the internet about LifeGem®. Far too much to include here. But perhaps someone out there in some position of authority can take a look at these claims. But one more issue……..insurance coverage and claims. I don’t really care if LifeGem® is making $19,999.00 for a .90 carat synthetic diamond as long as they are properly representing their product. But I think that some of the insurance companies out there need to ask some questions. Because if these are not as represented there are some big insurance policies being written out there on some very questionable products. And given the claimed provenance on these diamonds, it is going to be impossible to offer a like/kind/quality replacement by your replacement service. And what are you going to do if Dear Old Dad gets hit on the kitchen sink and chipped? I have to tell you all that I lost my Dear Old Dad 5 years ago. And he is resting peacefully in a plot he picked out in Bowie , Texas . And he would think this whole article is cool, and would hope that no one out there is insulted by my calling this article by the name, Dead Dad’s a Diamond. But there are a lot of folks walking around with what they believe is a LifeGem® diamond made out of their Dear Old Dad. And I am not personally sure that they have what they believe they have, or that they would be happy if all of this turns out to be true. I am really not sure why some Attorneys General office, some insurance company, one of the jewelry industry magazines, of just someone out there has not done some research on these folks already. They have a long, long list of famous nationwide television shows and dignitaries promoting them. But everyone just seems to accept their claims with no one doing any investigation. I just have not found anyone who has compared their website and brochure claims, to their US Patent Applications. Because the two entities just do not match up. I am not saying that LifeGem® is committing any kind of fraud. I am not saying don’t shop with them. And I am not saying don’t insure their product. But I am saying, someone needs to ask some serious questions of LifeGem®. Someone in the jewelry, insurance or legal industry. Someone other than these beautiful people who honestly believe they are being provided a diamond made from their loved one’s ashes. Final Note: I realize that I have injected some humor into a topic that is not very funny. But I am finishing up the final draft of this edition at 0645hrs on Tuesday morning. I sat down to begin working on this at 1100hrs Monday morning. Yes, over 19 hours straight of Google research, document reading, scientific study, document study, document review, correlation of facts, write, rewrite, and rewrite again. So please forgive any formatting errors and spelling errors, its been a long day. But the reason I could not stop is that the deeper I got into this research the more convinced I became that something is terribly wrong at LifeGem®. Somewhere in all of these reams of documents is the truth. I’m not sure I have found it yet. But I could not stop until I had given it all I had. Which I did. The rest will be up to all of you.



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I heard about this alittle while back and loved the idea.
I though it was an amazing idea to be able to carry part of a loved one around with you after they have gone.



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Personally speaking I would love to have it done for me if someone wanted to. Once your dead your body is of no consequence!! I figure what ever helps the grieving process is fine by me! In college I took a class called death and dying. Crazy I know... But we explored the different things cultures do for burial and body. I don't find it strange at all that this has become something bigger than just putting a body in the ground!



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to be turned into a diamond would give the wearer a never ending link to you more than just thoughts an memories, i think its a good idea if the person wants it to happen



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You can also get a kit from hobby shops, that let you extract a DNA sample from your loved ones (while alive) it has the whole science kit to extract, and store the sample. I bought one for my friends kid to have he sampled his Nana. Token mementos is a strong draw to people. Any body that exploits another human in times of grief hits a sub level of low ethics.



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I think the idea has merit.


I think I'd much rather be cremated and loaded into shotgun ammo.


I could still go hunting with friends.



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I'm afraid I'd have to skip on becoming a diamond, but I would like to be made into a piece of coal so that my ex could burn me on the grill during her next cookout...she would essentially be eating me :P



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I would go for being cremated, and mixed into clay, or marbled cement.. just a head stone, without buried remains.



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Option Carat
Size Price
Each Qty 2
or more
Option I .20 - .29 $3,299 $2,999/ea
Option II .30 - .39 $4,299 $3,899/ea
Option III .40 - .49 $5,999 $5,499/ea
Option IV .50 - .59 $7,299 $6,799/ea
Option V .60 - .69 $9,399 $8,799/ea
Option VI .70 - .79 $11,899 $11,199/ea
Option VII .80 - .89 $15,299 $14,499/ea
Option VIII .90 - .99 $17,999 $16,999/ea
One Carat Collection
1.00 Carat and above $19,999 call
1.25 Carat and above $21,999 call
1.50 Carat and above $24,999 call

Prices for loose diamonds.
Compare to Cremation cost, and possible plot charges.


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Well, there's a use for everything, I guess.... lol

If they have permission to do it then I guess there's no problem. But look at this too though...
Normally, when someone is cremated, there isn't really enough of them left to even give back to the family. Sorry to those of you who may have cremated family members but you really only have a pile of soot and ash that may or may not contain some remnants of your loved ones.........

So, making diamonds of out of dead people doesn't really bother because there really isn't any of the person left to put into it. *shrugs*



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I first heard about this a few years ago. I read about it online. I looked into it more recently, as I lost my Mom last year. I would love to have her as a diamond. It was costing a few thousand dollars, as I recall. It depends on the size of the diamond too. I think it's neat, actually.

http://www.lifegem.com



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That was already posted, I looked at it, and I'm telling you, it's crap.

Too many people cremated in the same oven..... when a body is burned through that thoroughly, there normally isn't anything left. So they're pretty much just giving you a handful of soot from a thousand different bodies that have no actually DNA in them........... It can't really be considered making a gem out of your loved one. I'm sorry..... Try taking a class and actually learning about cremations. You'll find out a lot more and then realize that these assholes are just playing you. They're trying to make you feel better and make money off of your grief.



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Theyve been doing this a long time..if Merkl was still alive,you could ask him all about it...and yeh,sure,why not,other other real use would be for fertilizer.



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Well I think its a nice concept.. but after reading the emails i think its a hoax but if some wanted to do it by all means do it... my grandma was cremated and she sits on my moms dresser:) there are some family members who refuse to come into our house because of my dead grandma.. i say its not like you can throw water on it and instant grandma..lol i could only imagine if we had made her into a ring..lol



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I find the idea interesting - the thought of a small part of myself living on in a gem that could exist long after a generation or better has come and gone.
So - I think the idea is lovely - not the least expensive thing to do but out of distruction - beauty..
Just an idea - but a beautiful one at that



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Have heard of this before and found it facinating. The idea that was intrigued once before was the having my ashes turned into a natural coral and placed in the ocean. Basically when its my turn have told my daughter this: Cremate and bury me with a weeping willow. If she wishes to use some to create a diamond or whatever that is her choice as my shell was just that.. a shell. It does not and will not harness my soul any longer. So no matter whats done with the shell I shall always surround her with the light of love.



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Yes I do remeber reading about that some where ,
I think it is really fascinating a true heirloom



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I would not want to wear my dead family after they been cremated



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i think being turned into a dimond is alot better than being put in a small jar



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I like the idea, it is said diamonds are forever right? So for me it is like I am living forever :)



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I at to be buried in a cemetery in th countryside so that a descendant in many years can come and find me. The idea of being dug up be archaeologists appeals too



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This sounds like a fascinating idea and very interesting to say the least. But I think that I would chose not to do it. I mean I like having my family around and they will always be around in my heart after they are gone, so I don't see a need for this at least for my family that is. If my children decide that is what they want to do then so be it.



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Well I do know that they cremate more than one body at a time because of the heat index effect and well no one actually has all or if any of their own loved one so do not believe everything you read or hear LOL I know my family do cremations and well we do not have just one whole relative in any of the urns it is a bunch of mixture of several ..



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This is not only sick and depraved, but morally wrong on sooooo many levels.

But, maybe you didn't like the family member in question. Wouldn't it be nice to pawn them off? I would have a good chuckle.



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Keep in mind real jewelers are debunking this, and you can quite possibly lose your ashes completely along with tons of money- and just get a neat 'idea' in return, is it worth it to lose those ashes?

And you wouldn't be able to pawn it it, it's 'created', just like zircon.



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I keep thinking people already liquidate jewlery to handle burial arrangements, this practice is inflated cremation, under pretense, I have found a few more accounts of their alledged practice, with the funeral business under fire for a few shady characters at the time this came about, people flocked to it the first few years, I believe the Art Bell show, had ads for it, a few big time talk shows.



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I feel this will only extend the beauty that is found in death.



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I think that being recycled into a beautiful amazing stone cherrished as a wedding ring or necklace or some sort of jewlary would be better than being placed i nthe ground for everone to forget about u or being placed in a jar for people to look at and do nothing with at leased they would wear it I'd want to be a unique piece of jewlary the most beautiful piece ever

sounds a bit warped but.. so does the thought of dieing knowing that one day you wont wake up and do your morning routine as usual you wont smoke that cigarette ur so used to smoking u wont taste that drink you enjoy so much you'll never touch or hug or tlak to anyone ever again you'll never beable to experince the simple joys life brings again you'll be nothing.

Now that is horrible thought.



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This is actualy something that I have been looking into for a loved one. I find nothing morbid about this idea.

If having my loved one cremated and turned into a life gem would free up space in the ground for someone else's loved one, then it is a reasonable thing for me.

My only concern would be this. How would you verify that the gem you recieve, when all is said and done, is actualy from your loved one and not other people's loved ones or pets mixed in?

Still it's an interesting idea that has been around for a fair bit of time. To have that kind of gem to have always close to you, carying your loved one with you. The sentamental value alone would be outstanding.

Still contemplating it too.



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I was talking about this with someone the other day. I think it's kinda weird and I am not a huge diamond girl myself so cannot see me having a diamond made out the ashes of a loved one or pet...but people have done stranger things



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Where I am located and that is in California, I was quoted for a necklace and earings it would start at around 30,000 dollars and goes up. A funeral director said that not many people did this because it was so expensive. Also it would depend on the size of the person who died and the amount of ashes you have and the body chemistry of the person he said. He didn't mentioned them being clear but usually pink like in tone or green like. Perhaps they have perfected it more in the last few years so there are more options now. Frankly I wouldn't mind a Viking funeral and they do have these believe it or not. I just told my children whatever is cheapest...I will never know in the sense of objection at least I don't think so :)



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well, I think this is rather strange, to tell you the truth. But, that is my opinion. To each their own if one of my loved ones wanted to be made into a diamond I would respect their wishes....but, i don't think I would go out of my way to have one made.



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I guess that'd be cool. That was on Ripley's Believe it or Not. I guess with the dying person's consent it'd be okay. That'd be screwed up if they were grave differs and stole people's bodies to make diamonds.



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Since hearing about this a few years ago I have been telling my family that I would prefer being a diamond over being burried. With the evidence that imagesinwords has brought up, however I seriously doubt that I would even consider it now. I think I would rather have a tree or garden planted over my grave with a nice statue nearby.



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It is kind of a neat idea.... a bit wierd. I don't know if I'd want to have "a peice" of a family member hanging around my neck or on my finger though. Also I'd be a bit wary about sending a loved one's ashes ( or guts or what ever like Imagesinwords article stated ) to some unseen facility and possibly getting a fake. I think about those I love and, I'm sorry, no token-no matter how pretty the idea-will be a comfort when they are gone.



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I see no problem with it. It's not any more morbid (as might be thought by some) than displaying an urn of ashes. The thing that is nicer about this is, you have the ability to keep a part of your loved one with you at all times.

This is not the first time I've heard of this. A while back there was a reality show on A&E called "Family Plots". Once of the cast members had a son who was chronically ill and died suddenly while in his late teens; the death was hard on all of his family. The cast member decided to have the ashes of his son made into diamond jewely for his wife and daughters. In this case, the gift of these diamonds helped ease the family's pain of his sudden loss.



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I think it's cool -----
I wanna be skinned and all my tatts preserved for my wife and kids .



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The unethical exposer of funeral homes seemed to have fueled business for Life Gem Co., how fitting that they would be shady in their practice as well, over priced cremation, under pretense of memorial of the dead to the grieving... how dare they.



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I think It is an interesting Idea. I wouldnt do it. Like has been said, there is too much oppertunity for abuse.



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LOL ~~~ Then again --Your Dead --How much worse could it get ?



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I just think that it is not something I would do. I would much rather wear a piece of jewelry that they owned rather than wear a loved one as a piece of jewelery.
But that is just me.



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I agree with HidingInShadows.

Personally i wouldn't turn someone i loved into a diamond.
I'd rather have something of theirs, or something that they gave me to remember them by.
I have a mirror that my Grandad Ernest gave me. I use it to do my make up everyday and it makes me feel close to him.
I had a porcelain clown that my Grandad Jack left me. I loved that dearly, but when we had a small earthquake (no-one was hurt) the clown fell of my bookshelf and broke. I still have the bits of it.

The clown and the mirror make me happier than any kind of diamond would.



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Well I read up on this and at first thought it was a lovely idea. It reminded me of the old necklaces that people wore that had their deceased loved one's hair in it. Of course, I like most of the public, know nothing about how diamonds are synthetically made.

After reading imagesinwords response I am inclined to believe this is just another scam. IT is disgusting that anyone would take advantage of people when they are at their absolute lowest points in their life - mourning a loved one.



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Two post above me, great concept, sadly imagine the people who pawn those memento pieces to invest into this shady biz.

A biz that played on the publics jitter about funeral homes ( a lot of shady practice was uncover at about the time this company took off)

just really cuts me, and person who has empathic understanding can relate to what I address.

Grief is one thing, but grief settled and then A revelation of being a victim of fraud.. Ouch squared.. !



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Everything in life recycles itself thats why they call it the circle of life. So why not? If they can take my ashes and turn them into something beautiful like a diamond than I give them my blessings to do so. I myself want to be cremated when it is my time to go. I think I would rest better knowing that my childeren or loved ones found a more valuable way to hold onto me than some ashes in an urn I dont mind.

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as always ImagesinWords....a ray of pure intellect and value to the forums...
As an amateur jeweler....I would NOT trust this, not one little bit, until I got to very closely inspect one of these with the proper tools to say for myself what the stone actually was.
and I would not reccomend anyone trying to actually insure such a diamond..though the IDEA of it is quite intrigueing
but on ideas such as this heres another one to think on...
sorry, i'm shit with code...so just copypasta

http://www.coolhunting.com/archives/2005/01/biojewlery.php
and another for the same thing
http://www.coolhunting.com/archives/2005/01/biojewlery.php



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kartanclan
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20:00:01 Nov 14 2008
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Well at first I thought "Wow, to have a lovely necklace made out of my grandparents ashes sounds wonderful, something to cherish and pass on to future generations" ... but after reading ImagesInWords post all I am thinking now is "How can LifeGem in all good conscience do that to grieving families?" Yuck!



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Juggalita
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20:18:34 Nov 14 2008
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I was just talking about this with my dad the other day.

To me, it seems like it would be disrespectful to make ur loved one into a diamond that you can wear in like a ring or whatever.

I would not want to be made into a diamond.

-Juggalette givin MMFWCL



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La6Muerte66
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01:52:25 Nov 15 2008
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I would personally love to be made into a diamond. But I don't want to be worn. I want said diamond to be lost somewhere. Let someone who knows nothing about it stumble upon it and take it. To be lost from memory yet forever kept out in the open. I think that'd be awesome.



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08:42:11 Nov 15 2008
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one thing I wonder.....if the only question is which method they are using...one which works...but not what their paperwork claims they use...but one less likely to work....and IS what their paperwork claims...does it actually matter THAT much outside the ability to insure it?
point is...you ask for diamond from ashes...they give you a diamond...instead of ashes.....
is it that wrong?



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nobodysfallenangel
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11:46:33 Nov 15 2008
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Recently my family and I discussed this for my cremation. I am totally for it, and it is well worth it than being just a pile of ash. I think it is a beautiful new trend to show of the loved ones who have passed on. I had my Great Aunts ashes, and all the roses we had turned into a rosary for my Cousin Isaac.

It will be a family heirloom to his children as well I am sure of it.



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