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Euterpe
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I'm thinking its time to start a controversial thread because.... Well, frankly because I'm bored.

The subject is GOD.
Do you believe in god? Or in the Devil?
Why do you think god created the devil if he knew he was going to be so much trouble?

And all that jazz.

Furthermore, Do you believe that vampires are the SPAWN of the DEVIL??

Everyone has their own opinions about these things. I think we should be allowed to speak on this subject.

Just to better get to know everyone!!

Please, no degrading others religions.




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Everything happens for a reason, nothing is circumstantial. Yes, I believe in God.

He created Lucifer to assume a duty, and I'm pretty sure he knew Lucifer would become what he is now deemed to be.

Are vampires spawned from demons?

Well, I don't believe in "vampires" as like the traditional ones.

But a parasitic demon/spirit.



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I believe that they are gods and goddesses. The devil I don't believe-evil spirits yes-devil no.
I don't think that vampires are the spawn of any evil spirit. I think that they gods and goddesses created everything for a reason that's far beyond our comprehension.



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I believe that we make our own fate in this life.

However, if there was a god, he/she/it would be the same entity as the devil because wouldn't an entity of absolute perfection and power (such as the Christian god) would require to be both good AND evil at once to maintain his/her/its state of absolute perfection??

This is how I would respond to the argument that "God is all-good all the time." I would also point out that in the bible, God kills, steals, and generally speaking f*cks with man in ways that would violate his own Commandments.

Not to advertise a website, but search for 'evil bible' on google and click on the first website that pops up. There the inquiring mind can find all sorts of things that God does in the bible that can be considered evil.

As for vampires, if they existed they would probably be of the darkness, but only a small percentage would hold allegiance to Satan himself because the vampire myth can be found in many cultures around the world, though one has to take into account the various forms of vampire; the Lamia of Greece is not the same as the Penegallan (sp?) of Malaysian folklore.

I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes with my commentary on religion and even vampires in this post, and if I have, please do not take it personally. I am only speaking abstractly herein.



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(This is all my beliefs so if your offended, too bad)
Well Im an athiest so I rely on proof for me to believe it to be true. God and religion is a result of peoples lack of a feeling of security, it is a part of human culture which every culture has had a main religion, it is a way to bring people together a reason for this would be survival in numbers, all 'messengers of god' were just people that realized religion can be used to better society by teaching and somewhat enforcing good morals, most religion has been changed by people for their own benefit and to have a feeling of power(ie. Conform to our religion or suffer), which is basically what some parts say to insert a level of fear in people to make them believe.

As for the 'God and Satan' thing. I believe in order to create life and keep it going we must have good and bad, light and dark(a good example is the yin yang). Although both sides are not purely good or purely evil, every light as darkness within it and all darkness has light within it. At times it seems these two struggle against each other, each one trying to dominate the other, in the end both sides remain equal and work together, creating a balance within our world. Life itself is a constant struggle, a life without struggle isnt truly life, it would be a latent existence.



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We ascribe meaning to the universe. It would exist w/o us and our interpretations. Therefore, not everything happens for a reason, unless we assign that reason. The beginning and end of faith is within each of us, and all facts, myths, truths and fallacies derive therein.

Go back to the tree falling in the woods and making a huge sound. Does the sound exist if we're not there to hear it? Yes, but it's subject to interpretation and the perception of any living creature or recording device. So its existence is derivative, as is all faith.



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Euterpe
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I believe in god and the devil. As for where vampires came from I don't know. Some people believe they came from god and others believe from the devil.

Some people even twist a certain bible verse to say thats when god created vampires.

Still others say that nephilim are vampires



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DJJarak
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I believe that God is the avatar of existence. Existence (Life, stars, planets, black holes, etc.) is the body of God. Much like the Borg Queen who's mind and the Collective are one and the same.



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I do not believe in duality.
The absence of light is not a real thing, even though we call it darkness; it does not exist. In this same way, evil does not exist; only rampant disregard for the laws of the universe (as "God" created it,) whereby others and ourselves are hurt in consequence.

It is not truely possible for humans to create, only to procreate, and discover; therefor the original concept of vampires (and Demons), even as a myth, must be God's creation (at least as thought if not in form.)

The reason for potential consequences (ie demon, vampire, or any other fables) is obvious, without them you cannot progress. The ability to progress makes is more Noble than the holy cow, as described in the Gita.
When a human is noble, he is infinitely superior to the holy cow, and when he is not, he is unfulfilled potential. All creation is perfect, but only people (and I believe aliens) have the opportunity to choose to be unfulfilled or actualized.



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Now, isn't this a loaded question???

Why worry so much about other peoples views, opinions, and or belief systems? In the end, it will all just be another random debate that can go on for hours at a time.

Religion is not a controversy unless the protagonist has another agenda, thereby provoking antagonistic posts.

To instigate that religion is a contraversy only invokes seemingly instigatory posts in general. Why add a negativity to a thread when there is really no need for such energies?

MY religion? I have none. I am a spiritualist, philosopher by mind, and one hell of a conversationalist.

Go ahead and put yourselves into a category, this is your choice. In the end, the individual will just be following along with all the other brain washed individuals down a road brought on by those who love to enslave the masses by manipulative ways.

Live for yourselves and your families, worry not about the ways of others and carry on like you have just reached full enlightement since your beliefs are justified by the way your lives have been handled thus far.



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I do believe in God. Why demons were created...maybe we create our own.

God gave everyone their own free will.

We are held accountable for our own actions.

I believe in the dual God as the Wiccans and Buddahist do....that there is a female side along with the male side.

There should never be a controversy of one's own religious beliefs, how they believe and their belief should be respected.



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I thought the point of these forums was to share ideas and opinions. Everyone has a right to not only believe in whatever God or religion they wish but also to discuss it with those who wish to do so. On the other hand, nobody has the right to try to force their beliefs down the throat of anybody else.
We can call it controvery, or debate, or discussion, or by any other name, but in the forum, all contributers have a right to be heard.
Even if I don't agree with them. In fact, if I agreed with all of them there would be nothing to respond to.



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I do not believe in the stereotypical 'God' of the bible, or any other mainstream religion, as there are so many different variations and none are similar, which should technically mean none of them are right. I think putting a true definition on what one would consider 'god' is impossible.

Take the Freemasons for example, in order to join Freemasonry one must swear allegiance to the 'Supreme Being', though they do not question each individual member as to who or what the 'Supreme Being' is, as they leave it up to individual interpretation.

If you are a physics student then you will understand that you cannot create energy without using energy in the process, which stands to reason that some form of higher being or beings must have created the first piece of energy for everything to start with, but then that leaves the argument open to 'what created the higher beings?'



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BrianaRose
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Things happen that you can't explain no matter what. An apparition at the end of the hall. A voice that wasn't there or whatever the case might be. Things that happen do happen for a reason that we can or cannot explain. Even if we can explain we are sometimes left with unexplained things.



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Do i think"god" or the "devil" are real? yes do i worship eathe one of them? No for me to say they are not real is to say all the gods are not real. Are the vampire the children of the devil? Again it would depend on who you ask. There is one account that i know of thha credits lucafer and lilith as having children that latter became known as the"vampire" but again tjhat is only one story out of thousends



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Honestly Man invented God, we needed someone that people could put all of their Troubles on, an imaginary figure that we could put all of our blessings on and turn to this invisible figure in times of need. Devil? well look at it like this if there is truly a "almighty powerful being of Light" then there would most likely have to be some super evil or a "devil" to balance things out and for all we know its possible that neither exist and aliens created everything and we're their experiment lol



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Faith is just that and religion is a structured set of rules for behavior basically and worship. I am a spiritualist and most churches, and there are spiritualist churches, embrace faith on a more universal basis. I don't ascribe to any one religion because I want to decide things for myself. I see anomalies in most organized religion.

A person I heard on the radio belonging to a particular religion hired a mathematician to do the figures as to whether it was possible that everything we perceive as existing was random. The numbers were astronomical that there must be some intelligence behind creation. The thing they couldn't pin down was what that really was. Therefore, I believe there is something beyond ourselves or it is all of us in spirit creating everything through our cumulative consciousness. Beyond that I don't know. I don't think it is a he or she or any heirarchy because I believe that sort of idea is a man made one, unless we have created such things due to our thoughts.

If you trace the most popular religion, it has changed over time and many things were merely voted upon by groups of men to be part of their canon, which proves nothing. I guess I will find out when I pass, if there is anything to actually find out. I also don't like to use the word God since it is actually a generic word that could mean any one of any belief system. People shouldn't presume that represents only one.



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Wow that is a hard one.. Because some countries beileve in diffrent things so hard to say if there is god or the devil..



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I believe:
As has been mentioned before, we create our own God or Gods. And because the human mind desires a balance it has, for most, created a devil as well.
It is difficult for me to believe that there is not a supreme being. Who he/she/it is would be the question that can't be answered until the time comes that we pass on. Then we will know. Or, if there is nothing we will know nothing. Unfortunatly, no matter how it turns out, we won't be able to report back.



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i believe in many gods and goddesses

far as the devil no i do not believe in him but i have heard from others who do believe that god created him because you can not have good with out bad like light and darkness you would not know the differance if there was not a choice.

i believe in vampires but i dont believe they are the spawn of the devil thoe again i have heard it said that when kane drew blood on able god marked kane and he was the first vampire so we get the kanenites and god him self made the first vampire but sence i dont believe in one god i cant stand behind that theary thoe a good one for a believer i feel the first vampire was born from the human blood lust for violence and domination



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I don't believe in God or the Devil. I believe that there is a universal source that is not male of female, good or evil...

I believe we have a right to make our own choices and religion evolved because people need to categorise things in life, everything has to have a place. Just look at the continuing arguments over aliens and the supernatural, it exists but humans can't categorise it.

Lastly I don't believe Vampires are the spawn of the Devil, but naturally created hunters like all things in nature.. part of the natural existence of things.



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DJJarak
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What is controversy anyway? All you need for a subject to be controversial is to have one person who takes something too seriously.



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"Controversy". You are a tough cookie for bringing this subject up. My opinion. There are many gods and many goddesses. For every religion, always there is a supreme creator. If you analyze religions in general, you will find that all religions are not created equal and for that reason, has been, many wars and killing performed by the followers of such of "organized" group. In today society, the name religion, mean one word: $MONEY". Yes, just check their finances and you will be surprise about what is going on behind doors. Vampires were not created by God or the devil, there were created by evolution, which is another subject. Peace!!!Love!!!be kind!!!



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FeatheredMan52
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I believe in both, God and the Devil.
As for other dieties, well I guess we'll have to what and see after departing from this world some day.



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Personly I am offend by fundamentalist, that as DJ J mentions is an example of peaple taking themselves to serious. Their ignorance is aggitating. They whine to be tolerated for their belief ( usually skewed beliefs) then they aim to condemn every other belief. Their god is just as mythical as any other. Humanity could prosper without fundamental believers. Those who relate every thing to their beliefs are shallow and miss so much of the existing life.



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yea, we could exist here without beliefs, but "IF "there is life to be had after death here, and we chose not to believe, well then I guess we're just a little to late to recant our conviction, now aren't we?



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yea, we could exist here without beliefs, but "IF "there is life to be had after death here, and we chose not to believe, well then I guess we're just a little to late to recant our conviction, now aren't we?



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"Those who have committed a fault, will be given the chance to redeem themselves." ~Faust~

Nuff said...



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how can ppl believe in one and not the other?
i believe in both. because you cant believe in one and not the other.



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"but "IF "there is life to be had after death here, and we chose not to believe, well then I guess we're just a little to late to recant our conviction, now aren't we?"

Which is why the long line of sinners, sodomites, and snockered goatherds from which I was spawned all found the Lord near their end and sought forgiveness. Heaven's Hypocrites! I mean Hallelujiah!



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I want to believe in something, but don't have any reason to believe. Everything to me is just cut and dry.



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I believe and GOD and the devi. Remember Lucifer was an angel until he got kicked out of Heaven. Some of us know that it was because of jealousy and wanting to be like GOD, so a war erupted in Heaven and Lucifer and his followers were banished. I believe that there are other beings, not just humans are among us.



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both God and Vampires are a work of fiction, their limits are our imaginations.



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Well stated HTM, however fundamentalist preach that imaging is a sin. For a shot at some contraversy I suggest the poster post a vampire, occult, or goth topic thread on a Bible Fellowship site. Whoa Nellie would the zealots fume.



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Well you cirtenly chose the right subject as well as title.lol

as for god and the devil.I do not belive in either.i only belive in what i can see,touch,taste,smell,feek and hear.iam wiccan.to me many gods and goddesses created our world.satan is a crock of crap.there are evil spirits/demons,i will give you that,but as for an actual Satan,nope.

and besides,if there were a god,and if he is sooo perfect then why is he allowing drug dealers,child molesters,rapist,wars,murders and everything evil? its horse poo

i dont knock anyones religous beliefs but that is my personal take on it.



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God doesn't agree with the sadists of the world (rapists and such), but he gave us free will starting in Eden. He could have killed Adam and Eve and the Serpent, and started anew, but he didn't because obliterating them wasn't the plan. God is the Alpha and the Omega. He more than likely saw that Eve would bite of the fruit because his knowledge is infinite.

He allowed her to do it, and Adam the same. It was all apart of his plan. What the exact plan is, (the bible is just a road map, but not the plan itself), no one may ever know or only when the end has come will they know the true plan.



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Well I'm going to say that I *know* that there isn't a god, or a devil. I'm not going to explain why because we'd be here all day. You can look at my journal and see why I know.
No, I don't think that vampires are the spawn of the devil, because I believe in neither, and no I'm not just being boring and sceptical. I have always believed in vampires, but not as the films portray them, although I think it's more the kind of belief where I want to believe in them, rather than know them to be real. In my humble opinion, god and the devil is a big pile of pish.



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as old -fashioned as this sounds, I do believe in God and the devil.
I believe in a higher life form, maybe a spirit not of this world...God? maybe...a evil being such as Satan...maybe.
I do know one thing, working as a nurse I have seen many people die right before my eyes and then u get this chill that I can not describe, a feeling as if a spirit just passed through u on it's way to another world.
Dying people that tell me their husband, wife, mother, or etc (deceased people to them) are standing before us waiting to lead them to the other side. I look, but of course see nothing.
i think there are spirits, i do believe in life after death...where and ruled by who...I dont know. I think God, but who knows.
Vampires I dont think are the spawn of Satan, I think just evil people are.



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I believe in neither. They may exist and I do acknowledge the fact that they might, but they have very little bearing on what I do. I don't think vampires are evil, so I wouldn't really imagine them to be the spawn of satan either.



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I find it odd that people argue for the existance of dragons, unicorns, fairies, and Genies, and then deny that it is even possible for God to exist.
Some say, "myths must be based on the truth so they must have existed." And yet God never existed?
Odd.



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I agree with shadowfever. I just don't think God and Satan should be thrown in the "mythical" category.



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I know I am going to sound like a hypocrite with this next comment, but I cannot help it.

What ever happened to the term "faith"? Modern society seems to be seriously lacking this quality within themselves and take the term for granted.

So what if one individual believes in a divine presence? There is really no need to judge them based on a philosophy that is beyond the understanding or grasp of another.



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I don't believe in god or the devil. I think they were created by man to control man.

I believe in the spirit that is neither male or female but is light and dark combined into a living consciousness. To which we are a living part of.

Vampires are not spawns of the devil or any kind...

Vampires are parasites basically that feed off the living... as the bacteria and mites on your body do the same thing... are they evil.. I think not.



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I think it is a shame that we can respect those who believe in fairies, or unicorns, or multiple gods but we have a lot of people being very critical about anyone who might hold Christian beliefs.
Whether you agree with what they believe or not, you must respect it, especially if you want respect in return for your own.
Yes, faith is extremely important. I won't judge what you have faith in as long as you believe in something. Faith is not just about Christianity, it is about having something that you personally can hold onto, can trust, and can build a value system around.



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Theology dicey stuff. That goes along to ones belief systems . The unanswerable faith point. As for the creation of vampire. In the book of Enoch, which was removed from the bible in the 3rd century, But Enoch wrote of the fallen one the second falling of the angels due to the sins of lust of human woman. They took wives creating a race of unmentionable and describable creature that feed on the blood of men. So draw your own conclusions.



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i honestly have no idea what i believe about god but i'll tell you what i've been taught per christianity.

god is real (okay thats something i'm certain in)
the devil is real (i guess i believe that to)
the devil was originally an angel in heaven who tried to rebel against god so god cast him into hell.
yeah.

i dont necessarily think vampires are the spawn of the devil. there can be good vampires along with evil ones.



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all I can say is their are many god and many goddesses to it it own and let them be happy in their beliefs



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It would be entirely hillarious if society were taught the exact opposite of what the moral fiber represents to the mind. If we all thought that evil ways were the good cause and good was the evil.

What if the way we think is not the true way of thinking and the teachers were wrong about everything. That they were ment to teach us the wrong things to begin with in order manipulate the masses for a future agenda that had been brought on by unseen physical forces.

Something to ponder. Would it not be something, if all that we were taught to believe in was a lie and the exact opposite from day one...



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Ss, " lack of faith", " unable to grasp..". Very insulting. Eastern faiths get along without " grasping" the myth of the bible. Just because a minority feel compeled by some socio-concept to place faith in said concept, bares nothing on the intelligence of those who are content to disregard said faith. I might add there are many who once " grasped read clinged" to faith who after suffering under repression fled said faith. The smug statements in regards to those who subscribe to different faiths, philosophies, or non beleivers need to stop. It is a rather popular practice of self rightious fundamentalist.

I offer for example; if I was to comment, how can the faithful be so such idiots to ignore the obvious gapping flaws in there doctrines, and teaches? Why can they not "grasp" life for what it is (physicial), how does rational thought allude them so? End example. That would offend even people with moderate faith. So I ask S S as a friend, how is your statement any less offensive to sensible topic conversation?
Ps you mention hypocricy ss, I begin to suspect a touch of crafty sarcasm, for "contraversies"sake. Curiously,
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do not believe in god or the devil



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God ? i do have some sort of faith, i have a conscience but who created the god we look at if we do as a creator ? where is the start of existence lol, and the big question .... HOW ?



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I am firm believer in the God and goodside forces and goodness.



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Artume
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~Dabbler~ querries: "I offer for example; if I was to comment, how can the faithful be so such idiots to ignore the obvious gapping flaws in there doctrines, and teaches? Why can they not "grasp" life for what it is (physicial), how does rational thought allude them so? End example. That would offend even people with moderate faith. So I ask S S as a friend, how is your statement any less offensive to sensible topic conversation?
Ps you mention hypocricy ss, I begin to suspect a touch of crafty sarcasm, for "contraversies"sake. Curiously,
Dab"

I respond: I will answer the question alluding to how society is manipulated into such doctrines by basic belief principals that they were taught as children into adolescence. Their minds being trained into believing this way gives them a satisfaction for these doctrines that they would believe in so much to defend with their very lives to keep them within their grasp.

They cannot grasp life for what it is because they may be afraid to look outside the box since the box is their only comfort zone for whatever ails them.

I mention hypocricy because I oft times allude to the fact that I share very little about my "faith" in such things. I rarely every allude to a religious side of my life. Of course the message could have a touch of sarcasm in it, but this is for those who know me well enough to figure out if I were being sarcastic or serious.



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what if time always exsisted? What if there was no beginning? Hmmm think on that for a minute! No beginning then that would be assuming that god would be a mere force of the universe inable to feel real emotion or act independantly. Then that would also argue the exsistance of heaven or hell and could make death into a state or being for an individual. (interpretation, heaven and or hell would be what you always thought of it as being subconciously and you go where you thought you deserved to go subconciously)


Hee Hee! random out of my ass theroy!!



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Eurthupe, what happened to me personally, while my heart crashed, is what I accept now as my personal software entertaining my brain to distract me from the trauma, along with the endorphines i felt "out of my self" the panaramic " vision" suited me well. To this day i feel for those who cling to often conflicting sources for their software imprinting. Placing so much in "after death" that life now is an agony.



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I believe in the existence of Jehova and Satan. I worship neither, but rather I look for the connections between the heavenly plane, the hellish plane, and our plane. I give praise to the demons and angels I feel are praise worthy. In a sense you could say I'm neutral.



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I am the only god that I serve. I will not waste my time praying to a god that will not hear my prayers.



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I agree with Euterpe.

God is the Alpha & Omega. He is start all, end all, be all.

To question him and his exsistence is a sin within itself.

But I believe everyone is entitled to their belief.



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I believe someone/something made us. There is a higher being that watches over us. I am a firm believer that we are the captains of our destiny. We are constantly being watched.



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Doru
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It is only a sin if you view it as a sin for yourself. I only have to answer to myself, not an imaginary being.



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Wait, did you (bloodmother) just call NOT believing in YOUR "God" a SIN? This makes me laugh... On who's authority!?!?!?



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bloodmother12208
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Every church, I've ever went to. Has taught that.

I don't neccessarily believe that. I believe if you question God to prove he's false. That it's a sin.

But if you do it out of curiousity, it's not.

Because God knows humans are inquisitive.



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In my opinion time is not infinity it is only the expression of existance. when the things or matters die the time gone. and become zero thus zero is the infinity.

thus time does not always remain but zero always remains...

if universe gone the time too is gone.... of the universe...

we must concentrate on what really remain all time...

blackhole is the expression of death.... the time of star gone with its death into black hole and the blackhole at its peak and before explosion the remain only the dark matter... which not influenced by pull of blackhole but it become stronger... than other matters within the area of black hole why ?

its my thinking only and not the analysis... its not even hupothecation... its just checking... but its true that in exostance of black hole there is something powerful than photons and its fibres...



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This "I believe if you question God to prove he's false. That it's a sin.

But if you do it out of curiousity, it's not."

Is the most contradictory belief I have ever read (no offense ~bloodmother~), it seems to carry an excuse to it... A way to over look the sin or to cover up for the contradiction adding the curiousity line.

If I ask out of curiousity, then its not a sin to ask him to prove that he is false? If only I had learned that when a was a rebelling 16 year old. *Sarcastically* OH LORDY what have I been doing all these years! Damned if I do, damned that I don't.

Had too...



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Also it is taught in church (yes, i've gone before!) that you are suppose to be a devote disciple. Just because you go to church, doesn't mean you are "good" or "being good" you are only doing your devote duty. I have a problem with that. So I no longer go but I still believe in a higher being.

I have a joke about this:

'I prayed to God for a bike but never got one,
So I stole one and prayed for his forgiveness.'





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I believe there is a higher being somewhere , because to me , frankly it wouldnt make too much sense to live life when you are the center of the universe. i prefer to believe life is happening for a reason or else life would just be chaos and all the memories and emotions we feel through our life have to be for some particular reason. i just dont know wich higher being is , i choose to believe theres one out there!



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Okay, let me make things perfectly clear.

Overall, I do believe in god or devil like beings. However as far as I know, god could be a cosmic force that created us and the devil could simply be the little red guy on your shoulder

I believe in the power of words and the power of faith. Everyone's beliefs could be true. Its all in the mind.

You may not believe the same way I do but, oh friggin well. I posted this thread MAINLY because I was bored and wanted to know what everyone else thought.

In other words. I'm quite neutral to the subject. So please don't involve me in your arguements.



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I was taught to learn, respect, and understand all religions and customs. I mean if you think about it, they all Believe, have faith and hope in something, even if it is different as to *WHAT* they believe, that is what they are all doing.

even the spiritualist they are having faith or belief in something in order to reach their goal..

Vampires, alive today... well I am from missouri and you would have to *Show Me* one before I could say yes. LOL

Vampires Lifestyle, now that I know does exist, I know many who live it to the fullest. :)



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I was raised southern baptist...but I think I prefer agnosticism, because thats how I feel. I know that there is something out there, but I have no name or specific religion.



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People need something to believe in, and I guess I am one of those people because in my life I NEED to believe



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I'm not a Christian, and although I have studied monotheistic religions, I prefer to concentrate my beliefs of the unanswerable into a more polytheistic arena. But I do like controversial conversations about religion because I find how people get so worked up about it fascinating, so here is my two cents.

I don't believe in a singular God as stated above, but I do believe in dualities. In any religion if there is an entity that is suppose to be the embodiment of all that is good (and when it comes to the christians idea of God I would have to say their idea of what is "good" is considerably warped because it seems to me their god spends most of his time trying to trick his followers into not believing in him... rather odd behavior for an entity that is meant to be worshipped) there has to be another entity that is suppose to embody all that is bad. Now, from what I've managed to glean from my readings of the Bible is that God didn't create the devil, the devil was an angel that was banished to the underworld to shepard all that didn't follow gods law. Now part of Lucifers job description, as given to him by God, is that he is suppose to put people into temptations path and rain fire and brimstone onto the world... in laymans terms, Raise Hell! Based off my readings I wouldn't say that the devil is an inherently bad creature. Just someone who like humans are supposed to do according to Christian/Jewish/Islamic Dogma follow gods laws/orders. So where is the duality in this situation? This is one of the more confusing and I would have to say one of the most misinterpreted things about monotheism. There is no duality. God is the embodiment of bad and good all rolled into the one hence the whole book of Job thing, and noah's ark, and giving an fallen angel the job of tempting humans into not believing or following gods law. So that begs the question what if God is neither good or bad what is the purpose of having the devil entity? That's easy enough to answer, because humans have a hard time with grey areas. We like having things go one way or the other not neutral hence our societal fear of sociopaths (they just don't give a damn) so they tend to exhibit odd behaviors. So, I guess I'm saying that the devil is just some kind of construct we humans came up with to make more sense out of what the hell God actually wants and to make a more clear duality.

As far as vampires being the minions of devil goes, I'd have to say no. Because technically speaking the devil is a minion of god so therefore by default that makes vampires a minion of god. So again a creature that is both good and bad.

SO... that was my answer based off of what I know about monotheism so now here is my real answer

God and the devil don't exist, therefore vampires aren't the minions of the devil. Easy enough!



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well first off i'm going to state that i don't believe in the organized religions of the present world. I feel you cannot say what the right way to worship anything is, and unfortunately a lot of mainstream religions think this way. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in a higher power just seen too many things that I can't believe that their isn't. However as a being of this earth I do not feel that I have the right to put a name on what that is nor will I have the audacity to presume that I can.

And as for vampires being the spawn of satan well many believe Lilith to be the first the mother, and in the Tanakh (hebrew bible) it states that she was Adams first wife before Eve and that God had created her, however she was too head strong and wanted equality and even superiority that she was cast out and Eve was created.

So I guess it's all relative.



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I am spiritual. So I believe in God, but not the devil. We create a contract with God to experience new things throughout our lives. It may take different paths to get there but in the end we hit the main points that we are meant to learn. When we have dejavu its a reminder that you are on the path you are meant to be on. the more frequent you get them the stronger you should feel comfortable were your life is going.



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God is real. The devil is NOT what people think. Vampires are not all evil.



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GreenWitchFantasies
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I believe that the Christian God is the same Ancient Divine force of the old beliefs...but that Divine force has been put in a box and has had limits placed upon it.



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I think I can side with Armand in "Interview with the Vampire."

It's the easier choice.



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I believe there are some form of higher beings out there both good and evil. I do not believe there is just one God or Goddess either. I grew up in a Christian household but found myself questioning and doubting things as I grew up because there was so many inconstancies between books of the same religion and books of other religions.

Nor do I believe that all vampires are evil. People are good and evil as are any creatures created.



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