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Ok here is sumtin meh an meh mum found on the net that can no longer be found. Me an her have been workin on tis fer a few weeks now reconstructin it from memory and personal situations and encounters :D i want to kno ppls views on what is in the table below

it is actually but here before you in the revers of how it happens lol. lvl 1 is the final achivement of the soul when lvl 5 is its begining but besides that i think you can figure it out yerself :D



Evolution of souls while in human form:

Lvl 1: White Lighter: a soul that does not need to have a physical body, but comes back by choice. Can come back on any form it chooses. Most often they choose to come back in some form of an immortal. also when they come back they are sometimes the incarnation of a god or goddess. Other time they are a soul that has evloved through the various stages of the evolution process.

Lvl 2: Immortal: Those that have blended with humans, ie. Fairies, vampires, were-creatures, or even as a White Lighter

Lvl 3: Witch psycic ability: A human that is truly awakened to the energy world but not yet ready for immortality. They can also work with the energies of the world around them. They deal with the paranormal on a familiar plain and friendliness.

Lvl 4:Mortal with pyscic abitlity: A human that can sense the energy of the world but does not know how to tap into it yet They are sometime fascinated with the paranormal and that of which cannot be explianed.

Lvl 5: Mortal with no pyscic ability: Those are not aware that there is even a whole world of energy around them and sometimes find it hard to even believe in the paranormal. There is nothing wrong with just being a human, it just means you have further to go to be a White Lighter.

The spirit world is a realm where any thing is possible. so you be the judge.

just a request love...maybe use prpoer english so its easier to read please...
interesting..where did you get the info besides experiences ?

Sounds interesting. In this case I'd be level 4. LOL....well, I've never even heard of this...but it does sound fairly good. :)

the web site has sense been deleted ... this is one of only five copies in existance that i know of

all matta within the COSMOS is of energy

a soul on the other hand is a language of the combined energy of a concentraited mass.

so if your ponderment is to refer that some have the "so called inteligence" to interprit its local suroundings.

then my answer is no the soul does not have a evelution of growth

what about mortals that dont even fit into the last catagory hahah

you know it just struck me...some of it sounds like something you hear on charmed

well i just want to see ppls views on it cause it is inter woven with my religious beliefs.. i just wanted to see what ppl though and there input so that i might make the chart more precise

To find the truth in any subject, one only has to look at themselves for insight!

it has nothing really to do with charmed the term white lighter comes from the celtic tradition... in it it says that when those that have passd on come back to visit, they apear as ether a ball of bright white light and a outline or figure of bright white hense the reason the term white lighter came to be

Level 5 and prideful for it!

well greetings to you brother

what no one wants to start a intelligent knowladgeable disscussion?

not insulting just sounds like info dug up for that show charmed ... white with whitelighters and what not ... sides i se no mention of darklighters your going to tell me there is only one side to it should your soul progress to that level

the term is a general one use fer those that progressd spiratually so far they do not need a phsyical for they are pure energy... and energy at its most potint is seen as a bright light .. hense the reason white lighter is use

it may not be the correct term but it is the only term that can be spoken ... those that understand kno this is not the correct term but the only one that fits to get a message across

ok here is an except frem meh mums profile she is MistRestSamhain


"...Well I have always seemed to draw immortals to me. By that I mean vampires, were-creatures, fairies, dragons, etc. In fact my son is a werewolf who has recently realized he is a vampire too. I have known this about him for years but he needed to discover it on his own. My daughter is a dragon (She made me add this, I keep forgetting about the dragon part of her.) and a fairie! (Every Aries I have ever met was a bit of a fairie but boy is she! She can even control the fairies in and around our home) I have a good friend who is a vampire who about 2 years ago when I met him was just discovering him werewolf side. I have a couple of friends that are dragons. They just all seem to be attracted to me. There is one group of them that I really enjoy and that is the White Lighters. (NO, NOT LIKE IN CHARMED!!!!) In the case that I am talking about the Celtic view of things. To the Celts the White Lighters are those “souls” that do not need a body. In some case they have evolved to that point. In other cases they are part or all of the “energy” that makes up a deity. White Lighters can come back in any form that they chose. Often they come back as other immortals. My friend is one that came back as a vampire/werewolf. I personally am one that came back as just a witch. I think I have enough to do with being the one they all seem to be drawn too.

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Yes there are Darklighters too. As in all things everything has it opposite.

But remember light and dark to not equate to good or evil.

All things must have balance.

Hmmm... interesting.

These things always intrigued me.

I always felt that I had something different.....

Well said, Mistrestsamhain.


and, according to your scale, I'd be level 4.

perhaps there are no lvls only a slow relaizationof what is around you, but after death you are give the give to understand evrything fully

It is a slow realization of what is around you, and the level are the mile markers on the journey to no longer needing a physical body to learn with.

The levels are not something that is hard and fast and some skip levels because they are able to learn faster, so never needed to evolve at all because they start out as deities. But the level to allow for finding out where you are and what is left to learn.

your soul progress threw this lvl over a period of many life times mays dozens of life times... it is just a basic over view ... i think there are even more lvls with in each lvl that you go threw befor you are reday for the next one .. but that is just my thoughts ....

HEh!

I think the theory would be better off if it weren't categorized in a system of levels.

*sighs and mutters to himself about his spirituality having been too busy the last two millenia dictating religious dogma and not developing awareness like that should have,...*

thanks for the expansion of knowledge... i didn't know that spirits could have "levels"

maybe sayin they are lvls is a bad way of puttin it maybe stages is the more correct term for it

Stages would probably be a better thing to call them, but as I said above, they are really just mile markers on the journey. It isn't some much the path you took to get there but the fact you got there that is important.

yes that is true

Wow, very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Tanx fer the positive feed bak :D and yer welcom :D

There are many that don't are unawakened that believe themselves to be very low in the chart, but when they do awaken find they are actually very new the end of the journey.

Being awakened if the main difference from those at are not yet on the journey and those that have already started on a path. ;-)

awakend doesnt mean youve relized yer a vampyre ether ther are other awakenings besides those related to the condition ... and those that have the possibility to awaken dont always awaken ... because maybe in this life time .. or its not there time yet in this light time ... are not ready to awaken yet

gesh wounder is this is just a too touchy subject for ppl at this time ...

Thank you, if I read correctly and look into me, I must say I am between level 3 and 4, so what am I? I wonder

only you can tell what you are .. others can pounder .. but you will know yer slef :D

Very interesting but what if you're a vampire with very little psi abilities and you're not immortal...Where would they fit at on the scale???

people dont have souls
nowaday people are heartless fucks!

xxx
ashley

I thougth we were created by God. Therefore our souls should be perfect already, no?.

There is no evolution of the soul!!!!. There is no need for it!
The only evolution we have is in our lifetime. And even most of the people never evolves. That's it.

i am a pagan i donnot believe in just one god ... and if multipul gods and goddess made use then we are not perfect ... but this is just my religious beliefs and i am not forcin them on you ... im just askin fer input ~bows head~

and my question fer you Sekment is .. have you lived fer mer then one life time ... and if you have of those you rember how many were you a vampyre?... thought if you are a vampyre you belong to lvl 2 no matter what because with in each lvl2 there are varings that happen like every were else

In my system, "Darklighters" as you put them, would be the powers of the chaos and darkness formed before the creation of stable white light. They are the most ancient of beings.

And (ewwww) "Whitelighters" as you put them, belong to those of order and white light. Traitors to thier brothers and sister of darkness, they try to conquer all in thier path.

The great battle continues among the universes and dimentions between the two.

The term "White Lighter" has more to do with how humans first saw them. In ancient times when they would appear the the Celts they would have a glow around them because of they came in an form that was more energy than physical. This glow would appear as "white light" around what seemed to be a body. It is kind of like seeing someone's aura.

"Darklighters" and "Whitelighters" are at the same point of evolution. Some prefer light, some prefer darkness, some have an infinity to humans, some adhore humans, Some just want to be left alone, but none of this in itself defines which is a darklighter or whitelighter. Neither is good or bad, as I stated before, they are just opposite. There needs to be balance in all things.

yeah,that means I still have a soul; especially when I mix with humans.

Soul as used here is refering to the energy that makes you who you are. It is the part of you that remaids after the physical human form is not longer living.

thank ye mum ~bows~ you put into werds the thoughts i could not speak :D

Apparently I fit between a Lv 3 and Lv 4..
I'm not a basic Lv 4 but I have gifts of a Lv3..

I would also have to say I would be a lvl 4...at least for now

well glad you know were ya at :D

As I said before the "levels" are really just mile markers You definately can be a mixture of them. You might not be fully evolved to the higher level, but still have some traits of it. Since this really does apply to the energy that makes you who you are, all things are possible.

Very interesting thread, I am going to have to think on this some more. The levels are interesting to read and I understand where some of the things fall into place.

you seem to know you celtic belefs as i would only expect from a pagen good job i even found info that i didnt know

When I read this thread the first time, I just could think of Charmed and since I like to investigate and research before I just believe everything, I did the same with the Whitelighters.

Here the results for 'White Lighter'

About.com says: In Wiccan and Neopagan circles, "white lighter" is usually a derogatory description of a member with an excessively positive (think Glinda the Good Witch) theology, a witch who leans heavily toward New Age beliefs (the moniker makes light of New Age preoccupation with 'white light' or 'light energy'), or one who refuses to associate with or acknowledge Pagan who follow non "politically correct" paths such as Satanism or Vodoun. The phrase is sometimes used as a self-desriptor and is not always intended as an insult.

The rest was more or less Charmed lol

Now I searched for 'Whitelighter'. Yes you wont believe it, its different lol.

Wikipedia.com says: Whitelighters are fictional characters on the WB television series Charmed.

"Whitelighter" is also a term used in the Neopagan community, particularly amongst Wiccans. to describe those who see Deity only in the "good", but not in things unpleasant or unappealing. The term used in this sense is generally pejorative.

http://www.ulcseminary.org/ministertraining/mTrainDiscourseWiccan.php says: A "whitelighter" or "whitelight bunny" is a special sort of bunny who recognizes the divine in all things good and fluffy, but not in things unpleasant or unappealing. For a whitelighter, Wicca is a gentle, happy, and ultimately very clean religion. This may be a permanent affliction.

That came out when i asked for the origin of the word 'Whitelighter' :

Whitelighter is not available in the general English dictionary and thesaurus.

there is actually a spiritual dictionary and it says: Whitelighter: New Age Spirituality Dictionary on Whitelighter



Whitelighter

One who believes in or seeks the White Light. Hence, anyone seeking enlightenment. Originally used as a pejorative for New Agers. In the TV show Charmed it refers to an angel.

I couldnt find anything about celts and the whitelighters, but maybe thats just something they keep secret and is not meant for the public eye.

When looking for information on the Celts, other than that that applies to neo-pagan celts, you have to remember that the Celts had an oral tradition and only the drui amoung the clans wrote anything. They believed that if it was written down it could be corrupted. So I am not suprised you could not find anything related to "White Lighter" related to the Celts. If you know where to look it is there though, you have to be good at reading between the lines and looking where no one would think to look. As the Romans took over the Celtic lands the celts became very good at hiding their move secret of mysteries is sight of the Romans and the clergy that came with them.

One example is The Greenman. The Greenman is a Celtic Forest God. He can be found in every major Catherdal in europe and in most of the same ones too. Last I did research there was only one that they had not yet found at least his face amoung the decorations.

There are many other examples if you go looking for them. "White Lighters" are there to be found. Remember, "White Lighters" in their energy form are the Celtic version of Angels. There is a very famous book that not only refers to them but also contains many Celtic mysteries if you read between the lines and amoung the decorations in it.

hehe the greenman is cool :D

The truth about the soul is we as humans dont know everything about the soul. We only can geuss.
~Freak13

are there no more views?

These levels are nothing but net trash.

If you are interested in actual different kinds of Souls. You will find some good info about them in the original caste system.

These that are mentioned here are different ablities of a soul that it may wish to experience at only level of growth. Not levels themselves.

the evolution of the soel is something that really cant be explained but from what i have read you have a good idea of what goes on

well actually think of these as not really lvls but mile markers ... you may go threw them all in one lifetime .. or it may take you many many lifetimes to reach the final one ... it all depends on the person and how open and willing they are ....

my hope of sparkin a disscussion seems to have been poorly seen ... hmmmm

sounds kool and kinda like what i believe in but not exactly mew

welll as it seems this topic is prety much dead i will be closin this .. if you want me to reopen it so you can post message me so you can ..

thought id give this a second chance at life lol

According to the first post, I would be level 4...but nevertheless, very intersting information! Thank you!

~bow~ greatly aprishiated with all replys

What you said Billy the Just, was purifying ;)

It all depends on your belifes, like everything else in life.

i do believe you might just be on to somthing... i belive you are correct on what levals 4 and 5 are, i can' t sure bout the rest, cause i do not recall ever meeting anyone like that.

yes, every day my soul is evolving...

again i say that dont really think of them as lvls but markers on a path this whole process can take one life time or many or even a few days or mths .. it all depends on the person .. and i have meet ppl at all steps along this path .. and seen them progress further then they thought they could on this path ...

I have never seen that method of classifying the souls rise but interesting concept.

method of classifying the souls rise is summon.

um i dont understand that last one ...

but i thought id try this again ...

Remember that WhiteLighter is not about good/evil but how the soul is seen by mortals. They see the energy of the soul as a white light, hence the name.

lownignitus - this is a particularly interesting article. I read an article or forum post about how celtics believed that once someone passes on that their soul must teach another what it has learned in its time (which is very much what a white lighter does) then it shall return to earth to learn more. Well that was my understanding of the post i read. so it seems like to me that in between each of the 5 categories your soul would then become a #1 while it is waiting to move onto its next existance. Being psychic myself i have memories that lead me to believe i have lived more than 1 life and in each life i have had some abilities that may be even more powerful than i have now. So who knows maybe whitelighter is what we start out as? and work our way backward to human.

According to your scale I would be a 4

when we all pass on yes we become part of the all again... in fact that article you are talkin about is writen by me own mum ;) and both me and her have worked on this one.

now not to argue but i do not think that by goin back to the all do you nessarily become a whitelighter. but infact you can learn in between lifes and become a whitelighter with out havin to have "lived" . there is a place where all souls go inbetween life... no not purgitory or heaven.. or even hell... i do not believe in such places ... but its a place sorta like bein in a womb ... dark and comforting ... you can still communicate with this relm if you wish .. but not all do...


well i guess this should really be a different topic ... but its a little peak into my dark twisted mind ...

I am merely a lvl 5, but hey, who knows, there is always room for growth. Interesting theory.

like i said before dont think of them as lvls but mearly mile marks on the path. and sometimes you think you are at one point when really you are much further along .. and just havent relized it yet.

I do not know, for I have never died before, and if I have, I remember it not.
Shadowgirl

Most people don't realize just how far they are until they are awakened in this lifetime. Even the most evolved may not realize it at first.

The spirit world is a wonderful thing to ponder... Levels are sugessted, and I think you are fairly correct on portraying them

hmm yes i have seen engry and ppls aruas and i can figure out how to use the engery but it takes some medatation for me first but i have seem to miss place my hand symbols for this so if u find any can u send me a link thanks

i believe the soul can evolve

thank you all for the responses :D

Wow. Where did you find this at?

Very interesting topic! It does make a lot of sense to me so apparently i know a little about it. But now i'm gonna have to really do some research on it.

who is to say really

This universe is wide and vast it is possible for anything to happen, especially to shed away your physical form.

this was found originally on a dragonic wicca site that has long sense disapeared. this version that is in here is actually a rewrite by me and my mother.

Sounds pretty savvy, I'm not exactly sure what level I'd be on. I can sense and see energy, but who exactly can judge. Interesting all the same though. Good luck with it

Hmm. I don't know about being confined to one "stage" or "level" either -

I am surprised nobody has mentioned other concepts of souls - from the

Infant Stage
to
Young soul

Young-mature soul
to
Mature soul

Mature-old soul
to
Old Soul

any1 familar with these?

Nah im not convinced, there's something missing.. allot. the journey of ones soul has to be much deeper than this.. x

bullshit there is no code for this type of activity

the soul lives...........the body dies.

i feel that the longer you remain on the earth the more knowledge you will gain. with each death you retain what you have learned in your last life.

as a safty valve we forget most of our last life in order to retain our sanity because remembering every death, life, and pain we've learned through out our time here on earth would be a very painful memory and would or could eventualy drive us insain.

immortality can be a very lonley road.

as fare as the levels are concerned i belive every person would attain each one in varying degree's, so the steps are probaly just ment to be a guid line.

ok ppl are obviously not readin the whoile thread ... its been said to think of them as more main points along the journy .. not exact steps ...

and to the bullshit comment .. if you dont have something intelligent to say dont post at all .. noboy bags on your threads so it would be polite to do the same

I hope this isn't trite - low...


I am totally convinced that I have evolved in my soul at least a total of 5 lifetimes that I can recall.... and each evolution leads to greater understanding.

I think dead energy is an oxymoron.... so what happens to the energy that propels us when we *die*...it returns to it source to review what was *learned* in the recent life and incorporate it into the collective energy and unconscious.

Then somehow through DNA coding when the time is correct - that energy is "pulled" back into a new human.

Just my 2 cents, y'all.

That was a very interesting read thank you :)

BOnBOn

As with all things there is no one size that truely fits all. No system will ever be able to completely cover all the possibilites. Look at the levels as guidelines, and not pigpeon wholes.

very interesting, and i believe i have heard of this before, but i wonder if these could b in any other order?

i do not think they could be in another order as they are in a progressive order ...

but thats just my thoughts ...

Not everyone evolves the same way. Some will not go through all levels, some that are deity energy can be any level they want to be so the order could be anything.

that kinda just seems like someone's opinion on how a soul evolves... not an actual studied list or anything... however, when it comes to the soul and the concious and such, all introspection is good. any answers, even those that work just for you, help to maintain an air of stability.... even when the world is very unstable.