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Whether you are a psi or blood vampire, a donor makes for a steady source of energy (blood). Finding one has become a little harder over the years. At one point, a vampire could find a donor in almost every city. Sure one still can, but a willing donor is more rare these days. There are some vamps I know that go to great legths to find a willing participant. Are donors becoming extinct? Do vampires have an obligation to help keep donors around? Or are they just cattle?

Why? Is this not a thread that deals with vampire? If not then I don't understand what you guys consider a vampire. I have seen threads about books here. This at least deals with a vampires life. Unless we are to say that donors are not a part of a vampires life.

depends on the situation, if it is between 2 friends where the donor knows about the need of blood for the vamp and volenteers to give aid then no. Perhaps it is better to know the person before asking for blood rather than hoping for a stranger to just donate

I think the other post asked the question in a much different manner. I believe this is relevant, and in the right section.
To answer the question, yes, donors should be kept around. And they are much more than cattle. Truth be told, I have never had a willing or knowing donor, but those who choose to give of themselves to support others are quite important to the vampiric community.

i think now a days its harder to find a good donor because of all the crap we have done to ourselves. hiroshima, the radiation still kills today. STD's as well as the drugs we put into our system. plus with so many people its hard to find alone time. but thats just me

No I dont think donors are cattle...All donors that I have used I have been rather intimate with before they became donors to me..I only ever use a partner as a donor and only if they offer...I would never ask anyone to be a donor unless the subject had been approached before.

I wouldn't say that donors are cattle at all. I stead they are choosing share of themselves with you. Almost as intimate if not more so than sex!

Well, we're all human beings here..so "cattle" seems a bit strong. Let's face it..we're not eating our donors they way we do cows..the word donor is preferable(and also preferable that they are indeed donating).

- D

I don't find the term cattle as respectful.

Those that aren't vampires should be respected anyway.

We are equal no matter what you are.

I find it nice that the donor is aware,if all vampires did that,there would be less fear and useless hate between the species.

i think that people are now more than ever regarding vampires as ficitional characters. This in turn causes those who would have been a donor to not believe in such cercumstances and cast it off.

i believe that the donors are starting to fade out and we need to find a way to contact more donors

agreed.. there has to be a way to get this information out with out making others nervous..lol

In my opinion, you answered your own question: If willing donors are becoming more rare, the more respect the vampire should hold for him/her.
Donors are not cattle, and for what I read, most vampire "rules" say that the donors should be respected in every way, since they allow you to be who you are.
It's a question of common sense to keep them near, and feeling respected as they deserve.

Donors in my personal oppinion are not cattle much like us they have a will of their own. So if they are in need of our help I think we owe it in equivilant exchange to give it to them.

I don't think it's right to call them cattle, donors aren't 'kept' in a stable or shed etc, they're not owned by the vampire, they are their own person and should be respected for it, for they provide the vampire with what he/she needs.
But personally I would prefer to feed off people I don't know and have no close bonds with. So maybe in a way, but that's just me personally, I would distance myself from the fact that they are their own person and only feed off those that mean nothing to me. But calling the donor 'just cattle', is taking it one step farther I guess.

Exactly,I doubt anyone would find any donors if he/she calls them a cattle.

Respect should come from both sides.

You need the donor therefore it should be respected.

I believe in that too: respect is the key word here.

Yes I agree... Donor is a rank that deserves a lot more than just being classified as cattle... Anyone willing to sacrafice something of theirs for the prosperity of others certainly deserves much more than that title.

Last time I checked, "donor" implied that it is voluntary. Cattle don't volunteer their services, do they? Donors deserve the respect they give us. They respectfully volunteer their blood/energy, and we should respectfully accept their generosity.

I am fortunate enough to be a psychic vampire, so I don't really have to worry if my donor isn't around.

ouch love..cattle isnt the way to describe a donor..or better known as a black swan.
the donors are treated with respect and care...given loving attention and protected by the vampyre..they are not used, abused and just thrown away.

no they should be held with respect for the energy they give.

yes they are all cattle to feed on

Perhaps you'd like to give a little reasoning behind your statement?

Such a derogatory term for one who voluntarily gives of themselves for another. Respect is the key word for those who donate.

donors are no more cattle than we are dogs. Its derogatory and will turn people away even more if you start calling them that. Then your stuck without anyone and that would suck for you.

Well how about I give reasoning. I am a donor. I have been for about ten years now. However, the vampires that I sustained viewed me in a less creditable way than all of you. Cattle might not have been a good word to use, but unless one of you have been in my boots, it is deemed appropriate. We as donors, are running thin. We have just been used for so long by some that it seems pointless to convince others to donate.
However, if these are your true views and you stick by them, some of us would be willing to come back out in the community.

They are not cattle as other have said. They are our alter-egos in a sense. They should not be looked down upon for being different than we are.

no donor should be treated as cattle for that would make us all cattle if you think about it.
i try to make sure anyone i use as a donor is close to me and knows that i am wanting blood or energy from them before i do it.
so no donors are not cattle and we do need to find a way to get more if we can

Well, to treat them as cattle is to treat them as a lower species (a form of discrimination). They are not, they are just a different part of us.
Even if they would, why would we want to become just as low as those that would?

I don't feel donors are cattle-- perhaps as a whole when they're stupid enough, they can be close to that...

*shrugs* Otherwise, donors are something (to me, at least) a sacred thing.

Ouch Narak, would that be the same for a group of vampires? As a donor, I can't say that your respect for us is any different than that of previous vampyres.

For a group of vampires?
If they're rude, disrespectful, try to speak lowly of all other creatures -and- attempt to even consider themselves more superior than other either searching their path or working towards their own Awakening-- yes.

I certianly don't feel that way unless I'm at work (theme park) where working with stupid, drunk people is an everyday occurance.

If only you knew my respect for your 'profession' as it were. However, if you knew the few donors -I- knew-- and how absolutely stupid they were-- then you'd see my position on the matter.

Instead of trying to have a civil dialogue, you assume.

But Narak, you said yourself, you only know a few in a place that is not the best place to judge people....You cant judge all by a few from a bad place.....

And I work for the carnival my dear. I know how stupid people get. That doesn't quite relate to a group of donors as a whole. You know of a handful where as I know of hundreds. Also by calling donors "sacred things" we do take offence. We are no more things than you or anyone else. Respect is often measured by the way we talk of others.

...the person was an idiot. It was certainly a fight or flight situation.

Besides, the others involved were almost as bad.

Anyways, a while back I actually entered into a donor website, but sadly it looks like it no longer exists.

It seems I'm meant only to ambiently feed. Even my Mate at the moment prefers I don't feed off of him-- or at least not know I am.

As do most donors now. We prefer not to be fed off of. Past experiences have left us feeling used and unwanted. As if to say we are just here as "meat". I did not mean to assume anything, but the way things are put to us sometimes suggests that we are nothing to most vampyres.
For those of you that caught the change in spelling, vampyres have a more frequent tendency to use than vampires do. Sorry but statistics have proven this.

First and foremost let me say good thread. Ok to answer you question I don't see humans as cattle. We are just like anyone else only our body and needs are differint. To say or think that others are cattle is a ingorant way to think well atleast it is to me. I don't see my personal doners as a food source or cattle so to speak. I see them as friends and family willing to help with what I need. In conclusion to answer you question no I don't see them as cattle.

Donors should be honored for what they give, but some can be idiots, like all humans (and vampires).

Ideally, donors are supposed to be respected in that for all that the vampires are and possess, without blood to sustain them they are nothing. This single elevating factor without which vampires would not be, is in theory the basis for the vampire donor relationship.

i think sometimes vampires let the idea of being "powerful" get to their heads. We're no more powerful than the next human. THis in turn causes vampires to use and abuse those around them

I belive that it is more productive to keep your donors around and not treat them as cattle or you might loose them.

I prefer to be dating or even married to my Donor-- I'd consider mine in such high reguard as a 'plan' such as that.

This one is obviously not the one I'm meant to be with--he's changed so much.

Thats wonderful if you can get it Nara! ;)

But I agree, it is and imo, ought to be a close relationship, where respect is born from a mutual love for one another, even if that love is as siblings.

Sure, it can be as impersonal as sex can be, given the right cisrcumstances, but such havens are rare and often intertwined with sex, which isn't what everyone wants, surprising as that may seem.

I beleive we should respect the donor, they become more rare and deserve it

I highly doubt that I am a vampire of any sort, though it may be a possibility seeing as I appear to fit alot of the criteria. At any rate, I've always pondered about being a donor myself. This can not be determined for myself simply because I have not watched a proceding as of yet nor have I ever experienced it as well. I suppose, that after some careful hand-on and face-to-face experiments and attempts I might come to be a willing donor. Until then, I'll ponder and carry on with my day. Still, the things I learn here are very interesting and I'm enjoying learning so much.

..... Well being the fact that a lot of donors are actually the spouse or significant other of the corresponding vampire that feeds off of them, I seriously doubt that they would be considered as just cattle my friend.....*fades into the shadows*

I know of only a couple vampires in my time. Still know them. Vasile and Branden. One of them hates me and loves me at the same time. If ever I could think of anyone calling a donor cattle, it's him. Yet, I'm not a donor. I'm just a human. Still, he enjoys calling me that and I enjoy calling him a useless, sentimental leech. I guess it's just that love-hate thing. I'm not sure how all vampires view the mortals of this world. Perhaps to some we merely are cattle and not anything of significant value. At least, that's what Branden's Leader says.

Calling donors cattle is a little harsh, I think. Donors are the ones that are giving their blood because they want to...so calling them cattle is not appropiate; it will be like the caws staning in line to become hamburgers...
The others, who are drained out of blood (or energy) against their will are just victims...

Sekment has already stated what i was going to say except with friends......
u said ur a donor right? r they friends?
or aquaintances? r they ppl in a ur court or coven? because either or these or family r not cattle i would never call any of them cattle..........if the aquaintance is made just for the purpose of being a donor u r still not cattle.........cattle move with no thought of a difference between what they do and what others do .....an example would be: cattle do not question why they feed in pastures and get milked twice a day they just do it .... it is natural for them to get milked they were made for this purpose.......a donor on the other hand has a conscience and the will to do it or not do it................i think i said that all right

If you really think about it the human race is just cattle just waiting to die and rot. Yes even the vampires.

i think that donors are cattle and then there not yees we need them and they know it.That gives us a disadvantage to the situation. but like others have said its better to actually know the person better than just taking any donor... i dont just take any body. i have to know the person first ... its kinda a little quirk of mine ... so if donors finaly disapear ten i guess we are goin to have to take things into our own hands like the old days were ...

Well actually, in the old days there were more donors than three times the amount today. I'm gald to see that most of you view us as important. Although it saddens me to see that others still just put us in a food chain. For everyone's kind words, thank you. For those that were not so kind, starvation is a painful death.

Well…I have been thinking of becoming a donor for some time now but I have been reluctant for just this reason. I did not just want to give myself so freely to one that thinks me nothing more then a blood source but this topic has went a long way to alleviate my worries.

Agreeing with Freak13, we are all just 'human resource' for the capitalist system...

But in vampyric circles, those who willingly donate to another, for selfless gain or for personal pleasure, still give of themselves to help another and this deserves respect.

Personally if We consider our Donors Cattle the availability of Our resource will become dangerously thin! We will have No respect and Be feared More and more Daily! Like others Here i have only been with Ones I have been involved with and It was a Mutual Craving! I not only Got what i wanted with issue but it was a wonderful experience also!

ok we shouldnt treat each other like that cause in the long run we need them as much as they need us.. you scratch my back and ill scratch yours....

i personaly think that they are in a way

Why is it ok to kill cows and not humans... they are both animals.. I say survival of the fitest.
Random thought...

A lot of people believe thats it's wrong to kill cows too.

Donors are never cattle, should never consider them to be cattle either. They are the vessel of our strength and eventually or maybe, our loved ones i.e. Wife or Husband.

As for Freaks comment, Yes we are animals, yet unlike cows and other four legged animals to even primmate (not sure I spelled that right), they do not have such a brain compacity as we do.

Yet, odd thing is, Dolphins seem to have extrem similarities to human behavor.

If you wish to see it through a religious perspective, Animals do not contain Souls, so their suffering and death do not weight upon us as that of the death of another human.

Yet personally, I do not think thats true. Animals have souls just like any living creature, they feel and suffer as we do, just in a different manner.

They do not suffer the moral strings of humanity and society as we do.

- Sin

I believe that they are not cattle and should be taken care of if you want to keep them around for the long haul. If we start to treat them like cattle then you run the risk of not only disese but not finding one at all.

Not just that only, the whip lash of Karma will come around and give you one swift kick in the junk as well.

- Sin

well i guess if we treat our Donors as cattle, they might become more hateful as they might be anyways
and as seen in
Blade 3
they might try to find a way to erase us all with one shot ( or virus)

NO, I treat my Donor like a useful Toy.
I play arround even have some fun.
if the blood is pusing more, i can get more - you know

In a word..... No..... Donors should be considered more like diamonds!!! They are that rare and valuable!!!!... *fades rapidly*

It all seems to come down to the r-e-s-p-e-c-t issue here doesn't it..

I think the term "cattle" can be applied if one keeps their donor in their own domicile 24-7 (as I do).. only because of the parallel between 'herding' and not having to 'corral' a donor when they in fact live upstairs from you, willingly and lovingly.

Cows can be loving.

Cows can be loving? That's a serious issue you have with your donor. And as far as diamonds, that still relates donors to things instead of people. Donors should be considered equal, not downgraded below vampires. Without donors would vampires thrive? Or would they become the monsters they used to be?

well i really don't think so but it isn't like it use to be ethier

Seriously!
That 'cattle' reference is just a prideful deprivation of the truth that vampyres and humans are seperate minorities,... not one hounding the other.

Mortals are anything you want them to be. They can be your food, teacher, student, protector, ect.. You are in control. Never forget your place and never forget theirs.

And where is your place, Drazeus? Are your donors your equal? Or are they your food supply? Whether they can teach you anything is not the question. The question is how you treat and view them. Donors like myself find it hard to trust the vampire community when we are not accepted as equal counterparts in a vampire's life. It should be a symbiotic relationship, but for the most part it's as if we are just peasants to a king.

AthenaNight----if you want to be a donor and are sure of it, go for it.

I was a donor but now im a lone wolf

Moo.

TLH Edit:

*Requiem makes a Drewciferburger*

The words donor and cattle being used in the same sentence is really what the problem is.

Agreed fully, donor and cattle should never be used in the same sentence. This is what I'm trying to stress. We as donors are the life blood for most vampires. At least the ones that wish to keep a certain degree of humanity. Not to say that we are any better than vampires, because without vampires then we would be just random people.
AthenaNight, if you trully want to become a donor, then please do so. However, choose your receiver well. I would not like to see any more go through the trials that some of us have. The only advise that I can give you is, remember that you are helping another but don't lose control over your life.

this thread has really been an interesting read. what i think? the only thing i really want to comment on is to be careful when you're becoming a donor. loss of blood (or energy) can be very detrimental to your well being! it is not something to be taken lightly.

Thank you badkitty. And yes, sometimes it can be unhealthy and even painful. The joy I received when I donated was the knowledge that I was giving my essence to keep another healthy.

it all depends on if you think they are or not personally i think they are cause they are so few and far between

All the donors i have had i have loved i think you should care for them because they are giving you something you need.

true but why care for what you eat ? i mean every donor i had never gave a shit about me so i treat them like they are just food and we have an agrrement i pay them and they donate its simple as that

Donors are not cattle! I believe it is very amazing to be able to donate ones self in any way shape or form.~NFA

A donor is someone willingly giving of there energy. Donors are not cattle, and will never be. It's an insulting term to say such of them and its no wonder they'd turn around and leave. Donors in my opinion are someone who you know...someone you trust. Taking of energy is something very special to me, something I won't do with just anyone.

donors shouldnt be thought of as cattle, that would imply that they are unaware of their actions. donors willingly give blood to aid the vampire community so should be respected for their efforts.
i believe donors are getting harder to find because in todays world people just dont believe that vampires exsist or that blood drinkers exsist. its not as if you can walk up to some one in the street and ask them if u can drink a pint lol i would like to be a donor, but whenever i think of giving blood to a vampire i just get images of extreme pain and violence lol (from years of watching buffy/ angel and vampire movies) plus id be woried about blood types and how would the vampire know when to stop? or would they stop lol i know stupid questions but all these things would cross my mind.

Speaking personally...no they are not nor should they be treated as such...

You should have a high-level of respect for them even if you are a dom in life....after all without them...where would you be?

-Valik

If you call them cattle, you can't call them donors. At that point, they're just blood-sacs.

I don't think it to be a proper term.