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I just wanted to throw this out there to see what you all would say...would the child of a vampire and of a werewolf be a werepire and if not how is one created? I am curious as to the replies will bring.

yeah. I don't think this can EVER happen... maybe if you wrote a book or made a movie this will be an interesting plot though...

Most definitely!

Interesting, but I dont think it would work...

wouldn't be possible, inter species breeding is extremely rare in nature and only happens when things are of the same genus ( ie tiger / lion, panther/cheetah etc)

I tend to agree with Shadowrunner on this topic. To me it would be like a bird mating with a fish, that just would not happen.

It made for a good plot in Underworld but the circumstances were different.

The basis for both "extra-normals" is human. If a vampire can breed, which has been done fictionally, then the two could most certainly produce offspring with vam and were attributes.

The question then becomes which traits would be dominant?

As for werepire or vamwolf, I think the kids in school will probably call them queerpires. lol

Going off GoC's comment ... isn't it funny, laughable even, how so much considered impossible and ludicrous suddenly becomes "gospel" truth once it appears in a novel or movie? Are we really that "open minded" (i.e., gullible) that we will believe anything and everything so long as some fiction writer gets it into print?

All too often... it seems to be!


- Upir'

Upir, not gospel "truth." The question was speculative, and so are the answers. Lesson here re other gospels some people believe are truth.

drerepire-three-way between dragon, werewolf, and a vampire

It would probably involve some genetic engineering.

it wouldn't be the first time

maybe it would start a truce between team jacob, and Team Edward.

In the real world...can never happen.

In the world of make believe...only possible in the mind of the writer.

in the lore a vampire and werewolf were much the same thing...
that said

if you do make such a child...do you have to it doggie style?

(slapping own hand)
bad bad wolf!
lol
~W~

I think that in a book it would be called a Wampere, or Werepire. And I have to agree with TheDarkWolfman about the book

i feel like the guy from underworld was already kinda linke this

Upir always has interesting posts....

but I agree... it just wouldn't work out....
that's like...a human and a dog having a baby
[that's just gross to think about that, but yeeeaah]

and lets say by some miracle they do have a baby-puppy...
can you imagine the mental and physical deformities
this creature will have????
lol



BTW...This is a photoshoped image...
PLEASE don't think this is a real image
[some gullible souls believe it]

Let's see....Lycan generally means a "shapeshifter". Some believe werewolves are over-powered by the moon whereas a Lycan doesn't require a moon to change shape. A vampire not being able to mix with a shapeshifter wouldnt be a problem in my viewpoint.

The vampire and the werewolf are sort of linked in ways, just as they were in one being, such as say Dracula in movies. He could change into the wolf, a flying bat etc without issues so that kinda sounds like Dracula would be part Lycan to me.

As far as "reality" goes.....I would first have to witness a real vampire and a real werewolf so I can't speak on behalf of that.

wow!
thats image was a little disturbing
I hope no one will EVER have to ask that question
but I know some people are into that.

well the moon does cause some animals and humans and even some plants to behave abnormally

lycanthrope actually...

lycan is only a movie term. lycanthrope is actually used in the lore from the 1600s-1700s.


btw...the photo was very damned disturbing.

the google results was more so.

~W~

that pic and google results really disturbing.
Anyway, my take on the topic is if a vampire can breed with a human then it is seems it would be possible to breed with a werewolf...although given that a werewolf changes each month with the moon, this could cause a problem in general with carrying the potential offspring

well i guess then it could only change during the full moon cycle

Yes im aware of what Lycan is. My shaman friend told me that Lycans or Werewolves stood for a shapeshifter so I go by those terms. :)

Dreamwalker has a point but what if the female was the vampire, she would have no problem with the moon's phases...then again even that theory has it's own flaws.

i am not sure i follow you

yes true, there are some thoughts out there that a female vampires body could not change to sustain a pregnancy...shrugs...who knows whether that is valid or not

hea, it was just a thought, and I'm glad that so many people have gotten in on putting their two cents in.

can only happen in fiction and has happened in the Riley Jenson Series by Keri Arthur

the main heroine and her brother are part werewolf and vampire
mom a werewolf who was attacked by a vampire and got pregnant during the full moon they consider themselves as werewolves with vampiric traits

well seeing some one mentioned Team Edward and Team Jacob from the Twilight series, i think it that could be imaged as Jacob imprints on the child of Bella and Edward who is half human half vampire. so if Jacob and this child end up having offspring it would be a 1/3 human, 1/3 vampire and 1/3 werewolf. just some words for thought.


but from my personal prospective i do not think it would be genetically possible, but i guess there is always room for mutation.

i think that it would maybe be considered as that, and if not, im sure they would be able to come up with an awesome name as to what to call that. but if there are any werewolves out there looking to experiment here i am!!! haha jk. but very good question, and i believe you have a pretty good idea as to this new creature of the night.

This has to be the funniest thought I have read in a long time...as for possible I agree with one of the other people that it would only be possible in a book or a film. The Vampire would be more dominant if they mated while the Lycan was in human form possibly

Have any of these books explained how the vampire "the undead" impregnated a human?

I came across this very thing when looking for some information for someone.And that is what it said..that they are a cross of Vampire and werewolf.

I would think the vampire would be more dominant, unless the werewolf that "did the act" was the alpha wolf then the poor kid would be in constant fighting with him or herself

as the vampire is a more dominant creature by definition and the werewolf follows a pack, more submissive.

then again I could be wrong

Of course! Halfbreeds are not unheard of, though they are somewhat uncommon.

so...what would you get if you cross a vampire with a cow?

a cowpire? lol
~~W~

Werewolf legends are very old and out of Greece and moved into other areas but even the character Dracula was a combination of a vampire and wolf. Stoker wrote his story that way...that is where his shape shifting and fangs came from. Some legends state that if one kills a werewolf they will come back as a powerful vampire. It is truly speculative. In fiction it of course is very possible.

Now if we talk of beliefs in the Otherkin community, even though they use the term "were" they usually mean they feel they are an actual wolf in human form, not like the werewolf of fiction and legend.

There are a few sects within the vampire community and one was connected to the Sanguinarium at one time but others had the belief.

Term: Cainus Lupus
Pronunciation: ka'nus loo-pus
Definition: The largest group of the Therian Tribe. Some consider this a tradition of Vampyrism, which is shamanistic or tribal in nature; while others look at it as something completely different from the vampyric condition. Cainus Lupus experience a strong intrinsic connection, often physical and spiritual, with the wolf expanding upon the Dragon with philosophies pertaining to the ecology of the wolf.

Then there are those who feel a close connection to the wolf as a personal totem either birth or other. Some have the wolf as a familiar since magick is an element for most but not all in these communities. It is usually more of a shamistic aspect.

In fiction, I guess it could be a hybrid that either is a wolf and shapeshifts into a human and feeds on something or vice versa. It would be at the writer's whim.

From a mythical stand point. Vampires are undead. Can the un/dead still breed?

As for fiction.....Its been done. Somewhere in some book it has already been done.

As for the whole real life societies and beliefs of the two. Ethically for some reason no....but honestly.....probably already been done too. So pretty much and old topic....

Though Made Me think of ManBearPig from "South Park" *Laughs*

Its Half Man, Half Bear, Half Pig. *Laughs*

Vampires being not alive and all would pose a significant problem.

A vampire might not even be sexually interested, considering how blood/life force is both sex and food for them and all other pleasures would seem secondary.

Ya know, now that I think about it; it does raise a question or two about Eddie Munster. He looked a little bit werepirish to me, and slept in a coffin -- strange for a werewolf.

How could his father have been Frankenstein's monster if he's part werewolf?

The mind reels...

not all folklore calls vampires undead...
so we can't block out the assumptions that
there are some of the living as well...
now can we?

no we can not...

It is an interesting suggestion, but if it were to be any where near possible (considering the two species tend to be enemies more than anything) I think the result would sort of interesting.

Like a mule though, it would not be able to breed it self (sterile in all parts).

granted there have ben mentions of half breeds (in example: Underworld).

but other wise i do not think it would happen

i think its possible.
becasue 1 vamps and werewolve techincally not real
2 even if real they are both human in most aspects of their lives so if the were is in human form and didnt change during the pregnacy i dont see a problem

ThothLestat crystallized a huge part of my childhood confusion and ensuing adolescent angst by pointing out Eddie Munster's mongrel status. No wonder my generation is anything goes - species crossovers, hermaphroditic powers, turkey baster babies, robot lovers - it's all okay.

genetic is genetic, fiction or real, its still has to somehow follow the rules of genetics, so it could be equal, more lycan more vampire, no way to know as genetic can not be predict

I think it will be interesting...
fuguing .... if they mate while the werewolf
were in human form... maybe i can see this happening...

but like many people have stated...
it's fiction...
I do believe there are modern day vampyres...
not like the ones of myth though
but I don't believe people can turn to wolves
that would be....pretty crazy

One, neither of those things exist so no, no such thing could ever come into being. :)
Two, vampires (in my opinion) are undead corpses so probably can't reproduce.

Historical view - vampire dead, hence soulless and evil and crucifix avoidant.

Post-modern (*squeezes nostrils*) view - vampire not human, not dead, something else, hence more emo, soulful, gametes still active producing urgent erections and abundant spermatoza mainly directed at humans but with kinks.

Werepire! Its an original idea thats certain. Hey, why not?

It is interesting indeed.

actually...
werepire ISN'T an original idea

it's found in many fantasy games
just google "werepyre"

Its just spelled different here...

I'm glad I gave up drinking. I can write some really inventive stuff, but I've never been that crocked.

Maybe a Zombie - vampire - werewolf..

So you'd be leading a dog's life that really sucked cause you didn't have no BWAINS!


Sorry. Just happened.

Cause nothing is sexier than necrophilia and bestiality...

This thread made me smile. I once used a theoretical cross between a vampire and werewolf (which I dubbed wolfpire) to explain the basic principles of genetics to someone.

I made punnett squares for monhybrid and dihybrid crosses. We had discussions about which traits would be domninate and recessive.

If you are willing to briefly suspend your grasp on reality it makes an interesting discussion.

For thoes that have issues thinking of vampires and werewolves as beings as actually genetically different than humans, what if you assumed the differences were in personality traits and the different personality traits were dominate or recessive.

Obviously personality traits are not based soley on genetics but its an interesting topic none the less.

*claps hands* Very good!

Now if I may divert your attention to one of Arizona's newer laws, they have banned werewolf creation, which means that someone did it and now they feel the need to ban it. Which then begs to ask next that vampires are out there and Arizona thinks werewolfs are too, then why not be able to breed the two together?

I have so got to say no that it is not possible in my eyes that would be a lil far fetched there indeed.. I know that some people are firm believers in all things that they see or hear on tv and movies seem to warp the whole of reality for far to many people as well...

Re. AZ law: The law prohibits anyone in the state from "creating or attempting to create an in vitro human embryo by any means other than fertilization of a human egg by a human sperm. So if you had werewolf in its human form and someone with powerful vampire sperm like Edward Cullen, it might pass muster in AZ.

i wonder what happened in AZ that they found it necessary to make this law

exactly!

I have noticed an increase of joining members who are claiming to be Werepires since this thread started. Interesting how that works. ;)

I believe that would be called the "Power of Persuasion", no?

That would be it exactly JocelynRouge lol

amazing how one can be led so easily to slaughter is it not?

I kinda have to agree with Obonewits , I mean where would you hide your cape at and the Brains could get messy , not to mention the dry-cleaning bill.

ashura: I wasn't aware such a think was possible

It is the desire to be all things to all groups to appease all idealist. the artificial spike in claimants is often evidence that the forum is loaded to red carpet such individuals.

It seems as this thread has taken it course since there has been discussion in very many posts.