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Dare I ask for clarification of Undead Vampires vs. Human Vampires? I've heard some people try to explain the difference, but I'm interested in knowing how those here in VR would explain it to me.

Thanks

My personal opinion is that Undead Vampires are a myth. Dead bodies that raise from the grave and suck the blood of the living..hm...I'd have to see it to believe it.
Now, Human Living Vampires are, in my most humble opinion (that still need a lot of study) people that are born with a condition that for some reason leads them to have a lower level of vital energy, which in turn, leads them to drain that energy from others. Some do it conscientlly, some don't.
Don't you have that friend that's always complaining, nothing that you say seems to make him/her feel better, and after a few moments you feel tired, depressed, irritted, and the person, even with no solutions accepted, seems more "alive"? Don't you sometimes feel uncomfortable next to certain people? Well, you might be being drained, if you feel tired or sad, or depressed for no reason.
I know this is a very simplitic view on Human Living Vampires, but I read that the ones that pose real danger are the ones that don't know what they're doing, and instead of feeding from several people, they feel on imediate need, and drain the person that's next to them, as soon as they can. They don't even realise what they're doing, and that can cause harm to one person subjected to this kind of draining for a long time.
Human Living Vampires go to work, pay taxes, have kids, pets, they go to the movies, like everybody else. The only thing is that they have energetic flaws and abilities.
Like I said before, this is a very simplistic and not fully studied view on the subject. I still have a lot to learn.

For me the undead vampires are a myth while human vampires,I would believe people who practice things that are considered as vampyric or vampirism,mostly if they were born with a condition that can be considered as vampyric as well.

Undead vampire's In my eyes is just a myth, however I believe actual human vampires do exist. So one major difference, one's real the other isn't...

well my opinion is both....b/c theyre both able...for Ex. a undead vampire is sum1 who was bittin then died and came back 2 life, and a human vampire is bittin then goes under a deep sleep until he is compleatly effected...so no matter which way u put it sum1 has a different opinion and 2 settle it i choose both...and i do it with pride

I agree with everyone here... Human vampires were born, are alive, and do not live forever... The Undead vampires are a part of folklore and history. They may be an average humans perception of a human vampire...

i am new but i agree with tears

i would say undead is the mythological vampyre, human vampyre is the psy vamp for instance.

I'd say that I have to agree with tears as well.I mean I think that the undead vamps are myth.

The undead Vampires are the ones you see in Hollywood films, decapatated corpses with bits of flesh hanging off here and there. Human Vampires are pretty self explanitory.

Id also have to agree with tears....

tears you are right on the money

Thanks Tears. That explains a lot. So then, are there anything besides Human Vampires? I thought true vampires weren't mortal? (and I guess I'm using mortal and human interchangably here- correct me I'm wrong) I'd like to hear other opinions too.

I believe human vampires are just humans living the vampire lifestyle.

Thats exactly my point WTD.

Glad somebody agrees with me.

Undead vampires are indeed the ones in movies and tv.

I think that Tears has it right, but I also think that WTD was also correct. I think over 99.5% are humans wanting to be vampiric and thus living the lifestyle, the other .5% having actual attributes of a type of vamprism - Blood or energy.
Of course, I could be so very wrong.

You know, with all the stories of real vampires (the undead ones) you might think that there are undead Vampires, but to find out there is no such think is almost heartbreaking. It's kind of like the whole Highlander thing, is it real or not. We'll leave that for ourselves to believe and study. I hope to find out something beyond belief is real, just once.

...cool..

I would say both are real.... because there is enough evidence to support both!

vam·pire noun.

1. A reanimated corpse that is believed to rise from the grave at night to suck the blood of sleeping people.
2. A person, such as an extortionist, who preys upon others.
3. A vampire bat

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


vampire

n : (folklore) a corpse that rises at night to drink the blood of the living [syn: lamia]

WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

Main Entry: vam·pire
Pronunciation: 'vam-"pIr
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from German Vampir, from Serbo-Croatian vampir
1 : the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep
2 a : one who lives by preying on others b : a woman who exploits and ruins her lover

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary


So, according to these definitions, a vampire is an animated corpse. I agree that there are some humans who live the lifestyle- would they truly be vampires then? If there are no undead (going along with the thread here) vampires... then.. are there vampires? (I realize this applies to the debate of immortality)

Thank you to all that responded

Exactly incredible for most that it might sound human vampires live exactly a life like Yours.

They get sick,they bleed,they feel pain,they can swim,they can go out in the sun,get married,have children,can have religious believs,suffer and enjoy life exactly like the rest of us.

Undead vampires are just myths but as far as “Human Vampires” I feel it should be classified as Vampirism – People following the habits of vampires. The feeding off another living life force may it be blood, spirit, energy and so forth.

Human vampires= role players, or people "living" a "vampire" lifestyle. As for real vampires, NO-ONE and I mean NO-ONE can deny NOR confirm such existance. But as far as "historic" religious documentation and rumored tales they do exist. I mean for someone to say Undead vampires DON'T exist and "human" vampires are REAL. Sounds like an RPGer who takes things a tad too far.

I never played any Role Playing game of any sort, I don't claim to be a vampire, because I'm not, yet, I believe in Human Living Vampires. And I have trouble believeing in the so called Undead.
It makes mores sense to me that a person is born with a condition, on the vital enrgy level, that a person can actually raise from it's grave to suck the blood of the living.
I think it's more a question of what makes sense to whom, then what is real and what's not.
I still have a lot to learn, but one thing that I'll never forget, is, that if someone is raised facing a wall and seeing nothing else, sensing nothing else, if someone suddenly comes to this person and tells it that there are trees, wind, sea, sky, and all those things that the person that grew up facing a wall never saw, or thought of, that person is going to have a hard time even concieving that it can actually be true. Plato said it, and it makes sense to me. It is more a question of what the mind is ready to accept. That's my opinion.

I agree with Sebastion. Most of the human vampire are living the vampyric lifestyle. There is documentation of people that psychically crave blood, though. Usually anemic people. Or anyone with an iron definicancy (sp?).

Oh , that's easy ... Human vampires are not undead o_o; They didn't die . [ Not physically , anyway . =P ] While undead vampires would be walking [ or flying , swimming etc ;P ] corpses .

LOL Aleks, that's a scary thought.
yup, I have to agree with you on that, Sebastion and Spookie. There are more life-stylers then actual vampires. Still, I have a lot to learn.

i thought they were one in the same personally. but Tears proves a good point i think

hmm..yes..i think they are not undead..just beaucse they were bitten doesnt mean they are "undead? although they do ahve soem of the same properties.

I had to actually reread my other post (Vampires and water) because it came down to almost the same thing. Humans with vampiric tendencies, and no (proven) vampires.

Again, I ask- So if they are just humans with vampiric tendencies, they aren't vampires, right?

BTW- I don't mean to beat at this thing, but I'm just still trying to understand it.

rising from the dead? no. Human vampires? Depends how you look at it.

I don't think there is a difference, in my opinion.

I believe that the "undead" vampire is pure myth, while the HLV (human living vampire) is true (specially because I am one). We still deal with human issues even though we take energy or blood or both. We are still subject to taxes, cancer, etc.



The undead vampire is pure mythological tale and nothing more. Although the sun does make my skin itch and if it is direct sunlight, it will hurt a little, but no dramatic bursting in flames or turning to dust or anything of that notion.

i'm going on a real stretch here....but i'll say heartbeat

lmao daermon. I don't think anyone thought about that one.

The undead i don't think as meaning a corpse coming to life but more as a constant soul taking new vessels. for those who can remeber experiences beyond their time have a vesseled soul. plus corpses coming to life sounds more like zombies.
Human vamps i see as roleplayers. people who are fascinated bout vamps but aren't really.
It may seem weird for me to explain this way, but its another way to look at it.
Cat's meow

I agree with Cat there. "Human vampires" are nothing more than people who WANT to be vampires.

thanx almost expected criticism.
i myself remember many lives and know more of them because i followed instincts.
but "humans" are not the real thing, they are just trying to be.

I agree with most Undead is myth.... I have a couple of unique conditions..one of which is low energy but when I intake certain amounts of blood I feel well....great for a day or two...so that would make me a human vamp...Otherwise yeah Immortal I do not agree with...Noone lives forever.

hehe....yup I do feel like being a smartass some days...

I agree with everyone here... human vampires were born, and are alive, and do not live forever, the undead vampires are a part of fantasy/folklore and history. They may be part of an average humans perception of a human vampire or even completely made up.

i belive that thre are only human vampires
and that the undead ones are just some directors imaganation

undead vampires are more like puppets with no souls that were broght back from the dead and human vampires have souls which alow them to live

Immortality is not an option even though thru-out history there has been encounters with the elixir of youth. but at some point a soul leaves a vessel. real vampyres are mainly the ones who remember being so throughout history. human are the souls that forget and they are trying to awaken a vampyric sense.
but there are also earthbound souls who refuse to let go of their former selves.

DARKADMIN, I agree with you wholeheartedly!

Lucioswolfe - There is much science has yet to explain... It was not so very long ago that people believed the earth was flat, and that ships could sail off the ends of the earth!

nice

Well its hard to say really, whilest the undea may seem like a fairytail to most, i feel close to being on of the undeat vamps as i feel mostly empty cold and verymuch dead inside. That would be the only link to the undead vamps have in my eyes, but primarly human are those of us who practice the religion

i must agree with that statement as well.
the feeling of dead inside runs thru many of us.

Ok, I need to go reread some of my books on the first "known" vampires. If I remember correctly, they lived for a long, very long time. They did eventually die- so they weren't undead, or immortal.. but what term would be used then?

they were undead and immortal but they wern immune to all things that could kill them

it's only a confusion cos of the myths, but i think that they mean the same thing...

In my oppinion, the differences between Undead and Human Vampires are many.

Such as intellegence...undead are not as intellegent as vampires. They may eat corpses or may just die. No panic for them. Vampires however think well of how to obtain the blood in an elegant way. How to strike their prey with a plan.

Another difference is Agility. Undead are sometimes described as slow moving corpses, disfigured half-dead corpses also. These 'things' do not strike quickly unless there is Intelegence. Vampires however have alot of Intelegence and therefore have increased Agility.

Many other differences may be explained... the main point in this matter - as i've explained - is that Vampires are more intelegent than Undead.

i agree with the comment above

Darkomine, I would have to agree. But, that explains between the undead in general and vampires, and NOT the undead vampires vs. the human vampires.

But if what you're saying is correct, there are undead vampires? Or was my first assumption correct?

Please respond. Thanks

as i said...i do not believe in vampires and neither in the undead.

There is a whole subculture of "ageless" vampires who claim to be in the same physical body for hundreds of years. There are even a couple of websites devoted to the ageless. Ask me and I will tell you, then we can discuss if we think they are full of ***t. I don't recall whether they claim to have died but they do claim they have no saliva and that their organs have shrivelled. That's a pity - that means no sex. And how can they have the brain function to type, let alone think. Wouldn't the brain have shrivelled? Oh, silly me. Human blood enables them to do all these things...

Ok. Having said all of that, I don't disbelieve in undead vampires :)

There is a whole subculture of "ageless" vampires who claim to be in the same physical body for hundreds of years. There are even a couple of websites devoted to the ageless. Ask me and I will tell you, then we can discuss if we think they are full of ***t. I don't recall whether they claim to have died but they do claim they have no saliva and that their organs have shrivelled. That's a pity - that means no sex. And how can they have the brain function to type, let alone think. Wouldn't the brain have shrivelled? Oh, silly me. Human blood enables them to do all these things...

Ok. Having said all of that, I don't disbelieve in undead vampires :)

I didn't post this twice. I did back up though.

living dead and undead is such an oxymoron

Count Vlad was the one who murdered alot of ppl and did drink their blood but he wasn't immortal either.
You'll find in history how there are those who have done drunk or bathed in the blood of others.

An dead vampire could be a person who lived life by a vampire code and died, or it could be what happens when a vampire feeds upon an undead, never happens though
A vampire is one who has the ability of immortality that is sustained by drinking the blood of there victims, in some myths they can not stand strong lights crosses garlic silver and/or holy water, there is much contraversy on this though, a vampire can also be one who drinks blodd and sometimes preforms other sacred rights

An dead vampire could be a person who lived life by a vampire code and died, or it could be what happens when a vampire feeds upon an undead, never happens though
A vampire is one who has the ability of immortality that is sustained by drinking the blood of there victims, in some myths they can not stand strong lights crosses garlic silver and/or holy water, there is much contraversy on this though, a vampire can also be one who drinks blodd and sometimes preforms other sacred rights

I'm not sure

I really like TearsOfArakiel's idea it was very interesting.

Helllo BelleIsra

First off, a place that explains the different 'living' vampires and their traits is The Vampire Church, I'm sure El will post the link lol or I will later. It explains the traits of sanguine psy etc and there are many such sites on the internet.

The whole 'vamp' thing of Hollywood television etc is a romantic ideal that many love to watch and feel they would like to be, and many who follow a vampyric lifestyle are those who wish to be , nothing more. And nothing wrong with that. The forums we frequent are full of people who find relaxation in playing a big bad ass vamp ~ and then there are those who are Vampyric, who also find those places to meet with kindred souls.

The sanguines.....some drink because they take energy that way, though I have not heard of any who live solely on blood, some have a sexual fetish for blood, if they choose to say the are Vampire becasue of that fetish, well, that is their choice. I would hazard that not all sanguine are actually true sanguine lol but that's just my opinion.

Then you have the psy vamps and all their connotation..the ones who 'feed' off energies, either sexual or from thunder storms or emotions....these are the ones who, if they do one on one can drain an energy like you wouldn't believe, I have met one whose 'donor', when in her presence, was more zombie like than in the movies.

The thought of undead rising from graves etc is mostly now movie based. All myths though come from somewhere,a nd there are vampire lore in every culture, again, an internet search will bring up the different names of vapire that have ever been recorded. Perhaps to gain power over subordinates those with vampyric traits overplayed their role and so the myth became legend, who knows.

I know that Psy vamps in their various forms exist, well at least one *grins* becasue I have personal experience. Whether it is an extension of psychic gifts enhanced in a specific form that allows extra benefit from those who just have a psychic or clairvoyant gift, who knows, but the feed is real, in all its forms, for those who truly do it.

And for those who just wish it, or enjoy the lifestyle, then, so be it.....

Takes all sorts after all.

Undead= myth human vampire= real I am a human vampire. I go in the sun, churches dont bother me well dont bother me physically, crosses no big deal I wear one and Im alive and kicking.

Undead= myth human vampire= real I am a human vampire. I go in the sun, churches dont bother me well dont bother me physically, crosses no big deal I wear one and Im alive and kicking.

I think that both exist, Human vampires are alive can walk in the daylight and dont live forever but still need to feed off some sort of energy, undead vampires on the other hand rnt alive cant walk in the daylight and endure forever or until their killed forever

Living vampires are either high-blood—vampires conceived within a living vampire and therefore having an inactive vampire virus fixed into their fetal genome to modify their development, or low-blood—humans bitten by an undead and existing in a tenuous, halfway-turned status. Only an undead vampire has the active form of the virus that can infect a human. The virus happily settles itself within cells of the blood-producing bone marrow of its new host and immediately goes dormant. Very little of the vampire’s abilities or liabilities are imparted to the hapless human.

well i think you answered your own question.

I think the Nastya has it.

I agree with tears but have to say something I had a weird experiance once that left me wandering what I beleived and still does. I always thought of undead vampires as mythology until one day a friend and I were walking through the grave yard where my grndfather is buried looking for more of my family.... I came across something about 20 feet in front of me that looked as if the top of a coffin was opened. Now I thought to myself "your insane" so I kept walking and when I got about 5 feet away I found that that is exactly what it was. I ran and got my friend brought her back to the grave and the upper part of the coffin was closed and there was fresh dirt on top where it had been opened. On the bottom of this grave there was nothing but grass growing everywhere.... This was in 1999 and the person had died and been buried there in 1993.... It kinda makes me wonder... I am still not sure what to believe on the whole thing and this was something that I saw with my own eyes and my friend saw the dirt and grass difference. As far as psy vampires go... I am a psy vampire. I am an intentional psy vampire to be exact and the only way that I know how to clarify any thing with an answer relevant to this question is by typing out something from a book I have... The book is Vampires The Occult Truth by Konstantinos It is a good book and I highly recomend it. This is what it says... There are four types of Vampires, The Immortal Blood Drinker-These vampires are the ones that are most similar to the undead found in the popular fiction, although, of the several ethnic specis in this category, no one particular type possesses even half the power attributes by authors and screenwriters to their vampires. With that distinction made, the existence of immortal blood drinkers should seem more feasible although there is a lot of evidence that seemingly supports the existence of this type of being, a lot of it is not completley convincing.
Mortal Blood Drinkers- Since the beginning of recorded history, common mortals have felt the need to drink blood for a variety of reasons. Those reasons range from ancient cultures' beliefs in the powr of blood, especially the blood of an enemy; to a particular form of insanity.
Unintentional Psychic Vampires- This is the type of vampire that most never find out about, including the vampire themselves. They are people who feed on the psychic energy of others unconsciously. The reasons their bodies do so cary from case to case, but for the most part, they feed because they need the extra energy to survive some illness. That is not always the case however.
Intentional Psychic Vampires- Of the four types of vampires, the intentional psychic vampires are the ones that should be feared the most. That is for two reasons: they cannot be destroyed or thwarted by any physical means (i.e. a wooden stake or a cross), and as two surveys show, about one out of five people are attacked by a vampire of this type during the course of their lives. Luckily, those attacks are rarley fatal. Intentional psychic vampires usually start out as individuals who drain others of psychic energy on purpose. When they master that they move on to astrally projecting and feeding off the energy of sleeping victims. Eventually like all of us do those individuals die, at that time they become earthbound entities that need to continue feeding in the previously described manner to survive; they use the psychic energy they absorb to keep their own astral bodies from decaying.
Okay so I typed that out straight from the book and I dont know if that helps anything but this post is way to long and I have to end it now before I get carple tunnel or something. lol.

bravo

I belive that a undead could be out there but no one knows forsure unless they have seen one. Human you know the are there and they give information

A human vampire would be a person that shares vampiric tendacies, habits, or hungers. Whether these include a physical, metaphysical, or psychic need.

Hmm...

These posts are quiet interesting , I have to agree that undead equals myth, but what of breed , Those that have unusual physiology or have died and been brought back by modern medicine ?

I would say both are real.... because there is enough evidence to support both!
This I to believe both are real,

my opinion is that undead vamps exist only in hollywood films/stories. i believe in the human vampires' existence tough.

wouldn't an undead Vampire be a zombie? lol

I didnt read the whole thign I am quite in a bit of a hurry-in betwen classes :P but last time I cheked I believe it said that undead is refereing to the sombies & well the other is the other (human vampires)

I agree with the undead vamps being a myth...

Vampirellia

I would be interested in knowing the proof that exists re Undead Vampires........

the undead are the fake hollywood ones and the ones that are alive and claim to be aht they are normaly are but there are some that arent and just like to think they are to fit in cuz they have no life and need to feel apart of something

To me, undead is what is surrounded and indulged with the myths. Living would be of course humanity and those whom practice, live, and or participate upon the vampire lifestyle.

i believe the undead vampires are the real ones while the living vampires are just humans acting. the undead i believe have been cursed thousands of years ago by sum kind of supernatural being to live an eternity of night life thinking it would bring sorrow to their hearts.

the undead vampire is the myth the kind like dracula anne rices characters..one everyone loves but fears...while the human vampires are people who have developed a conditions in which some actually have to drink blood...and they arent killed and turned my another vampire

that can´t be a different. They both are ded and are living, living dead/undead

Undead vamps have died already human vamps were just turned into a vamp before death

isnt the undead something that isnt dead?

Yea but it died once and came back to be undead

I believe that both COULD exsist..... but who can prove it and how...........

like any other 'myth'

show me loch ness, or bigfoot, a unicorn, a dragon...........

I want them all to be true

like most i believe that dead vamps are mythical and are just used in the movies and tv programmes, and that living vampires are just people living the vampiric life style sort of thing. i found tears' idea of them very interesting tho!!

For those people reading Konstantinos' book, I'm not sure how accurate his information is, so I don't take him very seriously. I believe and always have believed that there are no undead vampires. Only those of the condition who are still alive.

ok... just to put a cat amongst the pigeons.

We call people who feed off the enrgy of others psychic vamps, what would you call a spirit/ghost that feeds off the living, because some do...

Would that be an undead psychic vampire?

personally i think that if your a human claiming to be a vampire you just have a blood feedish but if your a vampire your neither dead nor alive just there

speaking only of non-psy vampires:

un·dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-dd)
adj.
No longer living but supernaturally animated, as a zombie.


vam·pire ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vmpr)
n.
A reanimated corpse that is believed to rise from the grave at night to suck the blood of sleeping people.

vampire
1. A blood-sucking ghost; a soul of a dead person superstitiously believed to come from the grave and wander about by night sucking the blood of persons asleep, thus causing their death. This superstition is now prevalent in parts of Eastern Europe, and was especially current in Hungary about the year 1730. "The persons who turn vampires are generally wizards, witches, suicides, and persons who have come to a violent end, or have been cursed by their parents or by the church," (Encyc. Brit)

i looked both definitions up off of dictionary.com

No longer living but supernaturally animated vs. A reanimated corpse... there's a difference?

TearsOfArakiel.. makes a good point !

I do believe that undead vamps are a myth and that they are just a good story to hear and disbelieve in them lol~NFA

To me Undead Vampires and Human Vampires are the same except for one difference.

Undead Vampires were once Human Vampires or just were once living and a Human Vampire is someone that was bitten by either an Undead Vampire or another Human Vampire.

Ok, I'm killing this thread- thanks everyone for posting, but every time I view it, its like the same answer.

Until I see proof of anything.. I'll just go with how what I've chosen to remember from what everyone's said here.. thanks!