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Does your government recognize evil? The occult? Is it legal?

If I reported someone to the police for casting a curse on me, how would they react?

In my country you'll be sent to the mental hospital, because it is absolutely not recognized and you'll be seen as mentally unstable. Part of it, is because we don't have a secular government. In effect just talking about vampires and other myths, witchcraft and Pagan religions, Satanism and anything that isn't Christian, will assure you a permanent ticket to the mental hospital.

I also have to remind everyone to pay attention about their posts and not get too political, or religious ranty since it's not allowed.

This is not a political question in anyway so I too would like to especially ask everyone to keep it on topic.

I know just a reminder for people to not misunderstand it and turn it into a rant.

While the the US allows for freedom of religion, and there is (for the most part) a tolerance for what people believe. It really comes down to what they practice, and how that includes unaffiliated citizens. In the example given there is a law against cursing or hexing a person... simple put the law was created to prosecute scamming fortune readers, that often claim that the client has a curse or hex on them, and that (for a stiff fee) it can be removed.

So while a persons religious... or spiritual belief may be protected, there are consequences for any practices that may cross the line into inappropriate.

here is some material that breaks down the issue with example...http://holysmoke.org/report/cult-apologists.htm

and an example of when fundamentalist over step their boundaries and enlist legal aid in their private crusades...
http://holysmoke.org/report/index.htm

Does your government recognize evil?

According to the by laws... The Constitution... the government is not 'qualified', or allowed to concern itsself with such terms. Separation of Church and State, and since evil is a term coined by religion it is verboten to the government.

However exceptionally deviant behavior is illegal, regardless if it is perpetrated by a religious convert, or not.

it depends how far they are allowed to go in their religion

is it ok to let a child die from something that is curable because your religion leads you to believe you can "pray away" their illness?

if a child dies from something like that can the government still get their parents for murder under freedom of religion?

Everything has it's limits, we also have freedom of speech but you can still get in trouble for slander, assault (which is in it's basic form is only verbal, by legal definition), threats, and for saying mean and hurtful things to authority

much like speech, the government should be able to get involved in religion when the safety and welfare of others is in clear danger

Nefarious people, and unscrupulous people know that 'pure money' made in the name of organized (tax free) gathering is endless. As long as they take the time to spin a mythos, or pseudo religious story.

The common denominator in such cases is that the vast majorities of those individuals get power hungry, that's when things get dark, and people get hurt... and to me any deviant, or vile behavior perpetrated under the guise of spiritual sanctimony is 'Evil'.

the subject asks "does my govt recognize evil"?
to that without any political comments because it applies to all parities....no...it doesnt.
when you went more in depth about calling the police about a curse...i think that is rather different. still, i have to agree that were you to call the police regarding a curse in the u.s., they would assume you were either a crank or insane.
~W~

Actually LW more recently police have taken more notice of such reports, especially in neighborhoods that contain followers of Voodoo, or in areas frequented by Pikies, and Travellers, or Gypsies. Because there have been cases where people who filed reports ended up missing or dead under suspicious circumstance.

information i was unaware of. thanks for the info. in that case i would assume that it would vary by geographical location even in the u.s.
~W~

Ah the Police...well as I was one for 20 years, perhaps you will listen.

The answer is No! they have no clue that seeing in black and red exists, it is easier for them that way.

What amazes me is that I pulled my soul back from the alldownward spiral, they still think I am goofy, even after 20 years loyal service....amazing!

All I ask is some non-dumb arse comes to me with an open mind.

After all. one mans evil is a planets redemption.TGK.

In the United States and also depending on the state or even the city, most often they wouldn't recognize anything occult. They would think you were delusional in regard to a curse as far as law enforcement. Individually off job some might believe in some of the same things but evil, not really because it is connected to religious ideas and we have a secular government. You are free to believe whatever you wish but in regard to a crime you would most likely be ignored. It is considered non existent, fictional, a fabrication of the mind.

I would also like to point out that any damage or death caused by weather or other natural disasters is referred to as an act of god

If you believe someone caused it with a curse or spell or whatever and your property got damaged because of it, you can sue them regardless but you’d have to file the claim under an act of god and prove that the defendant could have prevented it

In that case the law can protect you, but still not because of a spell or curse, hex, whatever you may call it

The police would probably think you lost all your marbles..or tell you that the law cannot do anything until something happens to you like death...

If your property is clearly being damaged and you aren't doing it then they might do something too, you just couldn't tell them you believe it was supernatural causes, or they might think you did it yourself

I didn't answer, because evil and occult are truly different from one another.
I haven't truly answered, or rightly answered, the other posts because of the same aspects.
To debate something, you must have a solid topic to debate.
Evil and Occult are not the same.

In most countries there are regulations regarding alternative beliefs (especially psychic, or mediumship) this was done because there is are billions of cases of fraud, and deception by those in the trade. One such example is when it was required that advertisements for such services had to state "For Novelty only". The real problem began when those who made claims of being mystic healers started charging clinical fees to people (think 300 plus dollars for "therapy") Eventually they were called to produce their success rates, and other data, and low and behold... nothing, not an iota of data, however there was always anecdotal claims of successes, and testimony from others. So that is why the government steps into such matters. Some faith healers not only target the sick, but the new trend is seminars, where the "healer" sets up a retreat, and in a weekend... teaches people to become "certified shaman". This is very discerning because it propagates false agents.

Cults are another thing that the government regulates, and watches. Of course a percentage of cults usually , include something New Age, or occultish.

Evil is a concept created by Religion. The whole Good versus Evil has been around since time immemorial. The Law may use the word to define or add emphasis to what it says. Murder, for example, would be described as an heinous act. To call it Evil? Perhaps. There id some element of Morality in that word. It calls on various other human emotions such as Guilt, Shame and Fear.

However I would say that the Government recognises Problems, with a capital P as opposed to problems that are inconsequential. The Government goes beyond just Law-making. It enforces policies and principles without invoking the Law-making organs of State. There is the separation of Church and State after all.

Which is why so many New Age proponents vie for religious status, so they can invoke tax free, or non-profit status, and thus inflate their coffers.

In Dante's Inferno the 8th circle of Hell is Fraud. So in an indirect way, our government fights evil.

They recognize evil, not as an entity, ie, Demons or devils, but, more as evil within the person mind. Our Government recognize religion and respect the choices of their citizens. even in Jail, when an inmate follow Satanism, He/She will be allowed to worship the devil.

Yes, the Government recognizes evil. They tax us. lol

As far as the curse thing goes, I think it just depends on what area of the world you are in. Some regions are more open to the use of curses. Here where I live, they would think a person crazy.

if i were to call the cops n tell them someone had put a curse on me, they'd laugh at me and hang up the phone. Noone really believes in the occult anymore, or if they do they sure as hell dont talk about it at work.

In a Theocracy law is set by religious standards. So to violate a law in those countries is seen as an affront to a deity, and to a higher code. That is when a hash possession becomes punishable by execution, or adultery becomes punishable by stoning. The religious doctrine is the source, and inspiration for laws. So in a way I am thankful that I don't live in a country that divides anything into holy (good), and Evil.

The police and the government only believe what they get paid to believe. I believe the entire system is corrupt and unjust. They are puppets for money.

The occult and other organizations are not evil for just being what thet are, they would be evil if they went about sacrificing people which would be kidnap and murder, something the government recognizes as a felony.
Evil is not a concept created by religion, just the actual name The definition of evil which is to cause harm and all sorts of cruelty for amusement has been around long before the bible, and long before man could stand upright.

The government only recognizes acts of evil, not evil itself. So one can be clearly evil but until that evil does something, they will be left alone.

I personally just can't stand the government. It's all about making the rich richer and keeping the poor, poor. There is no getting ahead anymore.

You are not alone there, I think the world would be better off without them but that goes without saying.

Cults while controversial, are not illegal but certain acts by them are and that is when the authorities step in.

Manson's cult was more or less left alone until the killings happened.

Scientology cult is a very gray area, people go there and spend money, they don't get killed but they do get indoctrinated and probably scammed. There are many people reporting attacks from them, some of these people were former members themselves and reveal some details on that matter, still the government hasn't stepped in yet but I heard there was a few court cases.

in a Theocracy I guess cursing people and magical acts of any sort that breaks their religion's rules is illegal and you could get arrested for it.

In a communist place like Russia where Atheism is enforced or most religious practices are banned I guess you could be arrested or fined for practicing anything that could be religious at all and if you thought someone put a curse on you both of you would probably be fined or arrested because you believed in religion and the other person practiced it.

Well stated Kurly, I would only add that communist are strongly against collectives of any kind, because a collective is deemed a potential for subversive activity/rebellion.

I fail to see how cursing someone is a concern of a political, social or law enforcement official. OK someone curses you? So what? If you're a believer in magick, then perform protection rituals, or the like. You honestly can't expect someone from the outside community to take you seriously

i live in the UK - my government is evil.

if curses work at all, then political leaders would be prime targets, so the fact that the prime minister has not been involved in a dreadful accident, ripped apart by a demon, or at the very least covered in boils is either proof that curses dont work, or proof that the government are heavily protected with wards and counter-spells. I suspect the latter.

During WWII Hitler used black magick against the allied forces. it is also pretty much common knowledge that Churchill had help and protection from Wiccans. whether or not this help was asked for or given regardless is still open to debate.

Also, it would depend on how the alleged curse is laid. if someone were to go to the police accusing a local pagan of cursing them purely on the basis that they tripped over a paving slab, or were feeling ill and depressed, that person would be recommended for psychiatric treatment (they wouldnt get it though). if, on the other hand, someone were to publically curse someone, to post them obeahs and such - ie. there would be physical evidence of curses; this would be considered as a hate crime and threatening behavior. rather than being a matter for the government, it would be a matter for local authorities. as likely as not the council would evict the perpetrator or take civil action against them for anti-social behavior.

this is not recognition of the existence of evil, but rather recognition of the distress caused by harassment.

However, there was a rather infamous case a few decades ago where in an over-reaction by religious fundamentalist social workers, resulted in police and local officials swooping on an entire housing estate, arresting citizens and putting their children into care because it was alleged that they were Satanists

The US had a similar case, it has been called "The Satanic Panic".
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I reside in the UK..... my government is evil

The U.S. would laugh at you because you couldn't prove it. Here even if people have killed somone many have gotten away with it if it isn't proven.

Government exist to control those who support them. Evil exist and is recognized by the Government, because their own clan of politician are born with the evil on their mind.

Only when it is economically viable.

the burden of proof would be on the accuser.

in this day and age, it's all about whjat you can prove.

faith is dead.

in this day and age if you get tried with second degree murder and can prove that you premeditated it you can possibly get away with it for the definition of your crime not fitting the definition of the offense

if you murder somebody in a way that it seems like nobody in their right mind would have premeditated it and make it seem like you did it in a fit of rage but actually make plans for it and hide them in a way that they can't be found until after you have been charged then murder wouldn't be too hard to get away with

hell, if the police officer forgets to tell you your Miranda rights before arrest they usually can't convict you because you weren't reminded of things that can keep you from incriminating yourself

innocent until proven guilty, proven is the key word, you can do whatever the hell you want as long as no one tattles on you and you don't leave significant evidence behind that you actually did it or that it was really you

i don't think governments recognize the concept of morality. they don't see things in terms of good or evil - they see things in terms of expedient or inefficient. they see some things has being potentially harmful to the status quo, and the see things as either being helpful to their aims or as a threat to their aims. explaining evil to a politician is like trying to explain a rainbow to a blind man. a blind man who is deaf.

my goverment is evil.they dont need to recognise what they are

it also depends how you personally define evil

somebody who is a potential threat to the established status quo. well from their point of view anyway.

government will label u as a nut case! Although i do believe spells and magic or curses still exists...alot people in these world are still ignorant and dont believe.

our government recognizes evil across a crowded room - then rushes forward to shake it by the hand with a warm welcome.

Personally I dont think of "cursing" as evil. I believe its all a matter of perception. Because Paganism and various subcultures are becoming more open. More government agencies are trying to educate their people on different things. In my area one of the police depts has a specialist in "occult" affairs on staff and he is called into play when various "occult crimes" or issues need to be looked into. Hopefully, there will come a time when the fear that "normal" society has for anyone or anything different will be erased. Not likely but one can hope.

The government uses the phrase "evil" when it wants to vilify someone, or a group of people, so that they can justify force. For example 911. Although I tend to accept that that was an act that warrants the title "evil".

I am going to venture into the Native American Government/Tribal, Nations and yes we do believe in evil. As I shared in the demon thread I was taught by the Elders there is good spirits and bad spirits. A lot of our stories we pass down from generation to generation many have evil spirits that might come in forums in such as four legged "animal form" that will do some form of trickery.

No, I don't think so. If they did, I think this world would be driven into madness.

~Tory~

they are not evil just very stupid and very greedy

Well if the evil is secular,such as a crime,then any government should and most of the time does recognize it.For example in Russia the Pussy Riot members where charged with vandalism of government property.But a lot of People believe that they were being ``evil``.I don`t really get behind the idea,but I do agree that the vandalism was inappropriate.So if they were charged with ``not being Christians``` that would have been wrong,but vandalism is a valid and typical crime and you don`t do it in a building which is visited by politicians and presents as much a political view as a religious one

ahhhh for the witches once again life rebels on who you trust around you,..

i think that if u were ment to be cursed , and then call the cops there gonna think your nuts and send u to insanity home for the insane..


I doubt id wish it upon u , im not that evil but my opinon is and motto

becarefull what you wish for........!

Does the goverment recognize evil,THEY ARE EVIL,look what is happening to our goverment now,our country is spireling down hill to no where,no jobs,no money,when they need money they come get it from us,higher taxes,raise the bridge tolls,cabs,trainfare,planefares,or anything they can do,to take from honest hard working people,like you and me,there all greedy,they live in great mansions,drive expensive cars while the average person struggles to survive.the goverment as we speak is shut down..and if that continues,social security we be taken away,till they come to a decision,some people need that ss check,thats all they have.the senate dont care,if they did we woulnt be in this fix now.HOW CAN A GOVERMENT WHO IS EVIL,recognize you,when they dont care,about us common folks.lynyrd skynryd the band with ronnie van zant,says it best,I THINK THERE ALL JUST SITTING UP THERE,AND JUST GET HIGH.

Im an American, we recognize a whole world of evil shit...
We all own plenty of mirrors.

From a legal stand point in order for the police to act there has to be a law that governs the behavior in the first place. Witch craft in some US states may still be on the books.... either way harassment is a crime so it you could prove to the officer that a law was broken and that they were the cause of that harm, although be it unlikely... technically you could arrest someone for such a thing.

Well, to be fair, if the there is a sacrifice, kidnapping, use of illegal substance or any other legal infraction, the police can very much go to town with exercising their power.

There are so many old and crusty laws out there that have not been removed, it's shameful.

As much as I would love to express my opinion of the government itself... I will answer the topic.

I am under the impression that the government is based off of material and tangible things that disrupt society. If I were to call and claim my neighbor cast a curse on me, they would most assuredly laugh at me and hang up and even possibly give me a warning for misuse of the system.

When it comes to tangible items that pose a threat to people around them or have a possibility of harming any citizens, THEN and ONLY then would they gather up their forces and resolve or remedy the issue at hand.

The government recognized evil during the Salem Witch Trials. Can't forget that! lol

Like Dabbler said, there's a separation of Church and State however you still have the commandments sitting high on some Court Houses entry ways.

All government officials are individuals, thus, they possess their own personal belief's, bias's and agenda's. However, evil is in the eye of the beholder; we each possess our own narrow view of the meaning of evil, therefore, what is evil to one is not to the other. Our government kills endless individuals on a daily basis and does not view their acts as evil but necessary. If we truly knew all of the "evil" our government has been involved with we should be scared to death.