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What would you people respond with if I asserted that love may be the device to implant vampiristic traits in the host?


The facts supporting this would be, that when the blood is drunk from the neck the jugular vein has just brought the blood back from the brain and this is the blood on which you feed.

Are we addicted to their blood or the blood we just got from their minds?

Or if this is not the scenario, then how many of you have been turned into vampires from someone you didn't know, or even wanted to get to know better?

Am I way off base?

I'm still of the belief that no one can be "turned" into a vampire. I'm not sure if it would even be common to feed from the neck itself, because of the major ateries involved. You make a good point though. I wouldn't say love has much to do with vampirism, myself having fallen in love long after I awakened, but who knows?

It doesnt sound true at all... but thats just my opinion.

since one can not be "turned" i have never found the location really to be a factor as i feed from different areas,as for having someone "fall" for someone else,that would depend on the person,vampiric bites especially have always been romantic in nature,..be well

so no one has been truned?


and no one is a vampire?


Ok.

Can you clarify your thread?

well they say Love bites right?

What I am proposing is love the ticket in to being a vampire?

or does it have nothing to do with it?


I know love is difficult to find, and this is why people have a tough time responding to this, but I guess if I was to refine my argument, it would be that since love is so hard to find, and when real love comes, and the vampire lovers are in bondage to themselves because of a screwed up reality and a conspircy against true love,

because the love oft goes unrequited, is that what makes us turn to vampirism? That the love was not allowed to mature?

Vampariah - Love in some ways is a form of self destruction...even when it works, it sends you to the highest heights (which is a long fall if that ever ends). So perhaps, at least metaphorically, Love could be responsible for both the self destruction required to separate yourself from humanity as well as the cure to bring you back. I'm sure that makes enough sense to have been used in multiple fictions on the subject...so why not reality right?

For a modern vampire, which is where we (on VR as a whole) always seem to be running into differences of opinion, we have to acknowledge that barring some energy changes or (and I use this term very hypothetically) evolutionary changes, the modern vampire is for all intents and purposes another human so in every question about vampires, the answers would be as diverse as the diversity in mankind.

Well I do not believe one is "turned" in any sense of the word. as to if love has anything to do with Vampiric traits, that is always a possibility. is it love or just the love of controling one and all their actions, I just do not think it is one thing that causes our traits yet many.

yes reality Felix Felix, reality is that this is a vampire planet

and in the giving up of the bodily functions to another in the process of love, we lose ourselves.

Does a leaf not turn?

Why do vampires become so white?

is there not a process of being turned?

I think we are turned into vampires if we were not born vamps.

The only way in which I could accept this, is to fall back onto a religious experience.

In that if one were to reject the 'love' (see energy) of g*d, they would cut themselves from the flow of its succor, creating the need to find it elsewhere.

And where better than in another who still has that 'love'?

Well, far be it for me to question your desires, but perhaps if I use words which you are more used to reading, I might explain more for your benefit.

Why do vampires feed?
To gain something which they are lacking.

In this, it is widely accepted as an energy source.

G*d, being the ultimate source, provides our souls with this energy constantly, since in religious means, we are inextricably linked.

So what if, through some means, it were possible to stem that flow, or cut it off entirely?

It would result in the absence of that source, which would then necessitate a releif from the anguish, the pain of it's being lost.

And so, the vampyric state would be born in a person, since they desire (need) that energy of G*d and the best way to obtain it, would be from those that still have it.

Is this any clearer for you?

Vampire in movies are turned which is then a fiction...
Vampires as I know here are born and then awakened by others that are like themselves.
I was awakened that way and had to learn the ethics of feeding.
I really don't understand what you mean by being turned and as for love being the catalyst no I wouldn't think so.
I fell in love long before I was awakened and if it had been the catalyst for me being turned as you say then I would have known about myself long before this time.......

yeah so if you don't use it you lose it?

Ah, no.

If you lose it, you can't use it (love/energy)...lol

I have never--NEVER--let anyone feed off of me. Thats not how this works. There is no reason for them to. If they are a donor, that is what they are. I have known others, who were close to me, "awaken.". (I really don't like that word, and I am not sure if it is a hoax on the part of these friends) They did not change because of anything I, or any of my "understanding friends," gave them.

well stab you said

STEM THAT FLOW


OR


CUT IT OFF ENTIRELY

maybe I read into it wrong

Yes, therefore, losing the source and consequently, being unable to use that energy.

It's not as complicated as you insist upon making it seem.

I've lost nothing I know of as a matter of fact me and my partner are going strong (6 years) yes we have times when were insecure but who isn't??? We need to tell each other that we desire and love the other and also show these same emotions..
I have only been awake to my vampiric side for a little under 6 months now seems 6 is a number of most things around me right now... LOL

I would say that love has nothing to do with vampirism. Of course neither does the ocean.

However, is there anything in any of the literature that suggests that love even a love spurned, would DIRECTLY cause vampirism.

Oh, and I didn't have to look up any words that Stabb used

I dont see the connection really. I agree with Stabb (and yes, i understood stabb's 1st post, dont assume that just becuase you didn't no one else did), as far as the love (energy) deficiency however.

Oh, and are you saying that blood coming from the brain is better than the blood circulating through the rest of the body? I dont know much about that, but it doesnt seem feasible to me.

I like Stabb's answers....

Love has nothing to do with vampirism, and no one is 'turned' as it were when you think of fictional vampires. Love has nothing to do with being a vampire, sang or psy.

Taking of blood or energy can give the feeder different feelings, be it lust or just the feeling of feeding..

I would be more willing to become a vampire for love then a love lost

I'm always astounded that those whose belief is so often questioned seem so willing to tread on someone else's belief as 'fiction'.

The ego has landed.

Not only what they beleve but what they wear how they talk and who they choose to be on any given day.

I would deffently say Its love

uh huh, hmmmm, it seems lust is the thing that creates the vampire, but doesn't lust lead to love?

You see, when Mamma Vampire and Daddy Vampire love each other very much...

Sorry, I felt this needed some comedy to bring it back from the gaming book section of Barnes&Noble.

iam not a beliver on one can be turned in this way ..... fiction maybe ... but not in reality..... i belive vamperism is a choice rather a way of life for them...... but it is a very interesting concept you have on it.......

Yes, vampariah, as a result of losing the love, it is lusted after in others.

Perhaps that could be a good psychological marker, which can be traced to a certain pattern of relationship with the parents/guardian, that a child would experience, guiding the mind towards a vampire-like state during adolescence.

Thank you Stabb666 for your explination. I was not sure how to add to the discussion besides depending on the fictional accounts of vampirism concerning "turning."

Ok, confuzzled now! Vampariah, are you saying that one can only be a vampire if they've experienced love, and/or all people in love are vampires? *brain hurting*

IMHO love and vampirism have nothing to do with each other. Yes, you can love your feeding partner/Sire/etc (as I do) but its not an inevitable feeling.

So far as I know, there aren't many vamps who feed from the neck, due to the safety risks.

You can fall in love with a person without feeding taking place.

Most forms of vampirism are caused by medical conditions of some form or another.

Or is love a medical condition? Is there a cure?

I dont believe love has anything to do with vampirism either. I mean what about those of us that don't have donors or lovers. i do not believe in being turned as well. I believe that vampirism is within us from the time of birth and later on in life we realize what we are whether we accept it or not. though the drinking of others blood may trigger our knowledge of believing we are a vampire it has nothing to do with being turned, but more of a cause and effect sense.

yeah i have to agree i doubt that love has anything to do with it as i wasnt turned i awoke

love is a medical condition better known as madness. What happens is a man gets the womans soul in his head, and vice versa, even bisexual peoples or homosexual peoples have this effect, as there are butch and lipsticks sides as well as fairy and macho sides to alternative sexualities. It drives you mad.

Now stab666 brings up a related point aboutlosing love creates lust in another after, he even mentioned something about childhood in his post.

Um, when I went for the shot of tequila at the bar last night, I had a conversation with a guy who had just come from the Ranger game, and as usual I said little but prodded his mind to find what made him tick. He told me he had had threee loves and none of them worked out, and he told me of his childhood romance from 13-18, and I told him, man that is why you are normal. When a person in the infant stages of relationships does not try to own the girl, then he has her, they were just best friends even after she decided to take it to another level.

The rest of relationships in life is all about possessing a woman, and if you try for that you fail. He had never been married and he was 33, so he is going to be alone for quite some time, as he missed the fake marriages of his 20s and he said thank you Coach, now it all makes sense, I am normal,

sometimes it takes a romance in your teens or even earlier to make you love on another level.

But once having love and then searching for it, that madness, in the oblivion of nothing after a love, I went from 11 to 27 without it, I had the blues, I still was beautiful inside, but I had a passion that was distorted. Almost a lust for life a lust for love.

the blues and the lust for life seem contradictory statements....

Seems we are speaking in generic hypotethics when speaking of grandious ideas such as Love, Lust, Vampires, etc.. it loses the ability to critically examine it in day to day. Did love turn you into someone who wanted to drink blood? Or was it an intoxication of being with that one person that made you feel alive? If it is the latter, how does that correspond to being a vampire? Plenty of symbiotic love relationships exist without vampiric tendencies...

Hmmmm...... love isn't mentioned in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM- IV)

and is believing youre a vampire in there?
~smiles~

blues is beautiful music

it is making the best out of a dreadful situation

I became a vampire to solve her demons, and they possessed me, I never thought about it before.

I have had other demons well documented on this site, but I never considered that I was turbed into a vampire through trying to battle her demons. That might have been how it happened in my case.

Yeah, empathy pretty much sucks, it is much beter to be the demon and treat women badly to infect good men who try to figure out what the hell is wrong with their love.

Love is the root of all evil, we need money to bag a woman, and money is said to be the root of all evil.

Perhaps if we didn't think of it as "bagging" we would not need the money, young grasshopper.

Love changes people. I don't think it will make someone into something else, yet it will change person perception of acceptable behavior. It will also change the way they speak--new words or ideas to add to conversation. There is always a melding when love is concerned.

Vampariah - sometimes I feel like I am forced to learn a new language to speak with you :)

If I were to try and translate what I believe your saying, would this be an accurate attempt?:

Unrequited love and the ensuing self destruction created the ultimate chaotic force. A 'creature' that sought only to destroy those around him through love. A angel who at one time knew the power of love but like so many had fallen and now revels in it's self disgust. Thus like a plague, the love that brought about the existence of this demon is used on others like a bait in order to feed it's hunger for ruined lives and destroyed hearts. Others in turn experience their ruin and become like him. A 'vampire' that feeds on the ruined lives and loves around it.

"What would you people respond with if I asserted that love may be the device to implant vampiristic traits in the host?"

I would ask you to prove your claims beyond hypothetics. I would also ask you to show why this is the only way that one could be "implanted" with vampiristic characteristics.

You are attributing moral or emotional content through the means of blood. I Think this is a jump for which there is no factual basis on.

You speak of being turned and yet you are talking to a lot of people of whom their views on what a vampire is hasn't been officially agreed upon.

Until you can clear up those views I don't think you have given enough for us to really give merit to your theory.

Well that's why I particularly like this thread. To ask for proof here would be the same as requiring proof with any other self proclaimed vampire. And while the request has in fact been made of other vampires, I don't think I've ever seen the proof provided. I think from both a philosophical and theoretical point of view, it does everyone good to examine another's ideas.

Sure there are some lines of Vampariah's theories that sound more like metaphor than reality but perhaps that is merely our perspective and not his reality. If love can be the thing that destroys civilizations, causes wars, and 'save our souls' (if you believe in them). Then surely, love on a metaphysical level is a very strong and powerful energy that could cause a change of the magnitude we're dealing with.

If we are going to go into speculation on the power of love, don't a lot of the sci fi movies have robots or Artificial intelligence who are incapable of love figuratively doing the same things?

I'm not sure I understand your point. You're saying that sci-fi movies point to other causes of war and destruction? Course...even in the real world, ideas aren't mutually exclusive. The inherent power of one thing doesn't remove the powers manifested in something else. Hate and Pain are also very powerful emotional states that tend to release a lot of energy so I would assume that if any human feeling or emotion were able to be harnessed and focused, that it could be a cause for change and perhaps metaphysically a cause for change there.

Love would be the only reason that *I* could see myself choosing to offer someone eternity... absolute love or the absolute absence of love, Hate. Either way ...

I have turned to vampirism because of the lack of love. I'm 18 and I still have yet to get even my first girlfriend. I would rather be alone and have all the strengths of a vampire than just be alone.

Whoa!

It does not suprise me Vampariah that you would come up with a question like this. First I think that Stabb and a few others have already explained to you their place on the subject and were very understanding. I noticed that many others on here including myself are dumbfounded by some of what you said. Like mentioned previously sometimes i also feel like I need to have my encyclopedia here to translate what it is you are talking about. But at the same time I wonder if you even know what you are saying. Vampires the ones you originally posted about in this thread are mythical creatures.

Besides that I completely disagree with the idea what if the "vampire" chose to take blood from the wrist or other vein/artery that would be more accessible? Are they in love with that person's hand?

hmm, I've only bitten my wife and I loved her before it happened already. I will say this, it made our connection so much stronger and I can feel everything she’s feeling and even read her thoughts at times. Now some people may say that’s normal for those in love but ask yourself this, those people have they not shared DNA with each other in some way? They flow through each other regardless.

I believe it is the awareness and the coming to terms with this lifestyle and practices that turn us. Not to say that traumatic events related to love (intense relationship) or the lack there of may push one in our direction.

I don't think love has much to do with vampirism at all.
The thought of proposing that blood can "carry" feelings of love though...I highly doubt that. I forget, but I don't believe blood carries all that much of your DNA.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't anyway, or they would just take a blood sample from a crime scene to identify a missing victim...
AAAaaanyway, since it doesn't carry any of your DNA, it can't carry a "cellular memory" as some say other cells do.

And even if it did...your stomach acids would break that DNA up and you really wouldn't have much left of it by the time it's absorbed. Therefore, I really can't believe that blood can carry a sense of love.

Now, the physical attatchment, I can see. Some people may mistake feeding for a form of love. Others may form a bond that is more...social than biological.

There are so many ways to be turned, anyone of them can be placed on one being but not another.... in essence if it works than use it.

i find that it is not true at all. i became a vampire way before i drank blood. i was born a vampire, then i awoke ( not turned )!!

sg2001,

I think many of us come to that conclusion, but events in our lives help us choose to nuture this within us. In restropect we can see how we have been led to where we are. Love, hate, fear,acceptance, and rejection can be among many defining points.

I can agree with Mikhial, i was born a vampyre and i believe real vampyres are born that way. i was in love with my wife before I was bitten, but when I was it brought so many emotions alive in me and it deepened my love for her. I think we had a strong spiritual connection which deepened our love and desire for each other. I have never been so in love in all my life and since I believe u can only be in love once it is the most beautiful thing you could ever experience. I do believe love can be found in a kiss no matter how it is given...lol

I dont beleive it is love, if it was something it would be more the hight level of adrenaline maybe even near the andorphine stage since its more fear then love that attracts and makes the blood smell and more desirable and with a better tast, so I shall say it is the adrenaline release by fear or fighting back that feeds us.

Me my self No i dont believe that love was what turned the vampire cause you can only love by choice!

The idea that one can be "turned" is really quite silly! Nobody can be turned, one is simply a vampire or one is not.Some have said that have known since childhood and others have been awakened.But blood has nothing to do with the vampire itself..it is always there, no bite nor blood can cause this to happen.We simply are...

wow, that's a neat theory. i never thought about it that way

I agree with NocturnisOrchid, one is or is not..

i would have to disagree i have never loved and am a real vampire not turned but born one

I still believe that you Have to be born as a vampire. or otherkin

I agree that the idea of being "turned" does not seem feasible...

On the topic of location, I myself drink from several different locations on the body, considering that the neck seems to be kind of sensitive, and not a lot of people seem too keen on having me drink there. I prefer arms and wrists myself, so I don't believe it is an addiction to the blood that comes from the mind.

"I would assume that if any human feeling or emotion were able to be harnessed and focused, that it could be a cause for change and perhaps metaphysically a cause for change there. "

I am alluding the documentation for love being able to conquer all is about the same as the references of sci fi robots doing it without it.

However I agree with your standpoint that you suggested on any emotion being capable of more or less the same thing as another, love just being an emotion holds no greater or lesser power than the others.

We're close to agreement here but I would also like to at least suggest that some emotions may be more powerful than others. When we think about the physical affects that some emotions create, the long term bonds between people or the severe increases in things like endorphins or adrenaline, I think it could be argued that some emotions like love, fear, and hate may hold more sway than others AND that some of those emotions (hate and fear) create stresses that the human body was not meant to cope with for long uninterupted lengths of time and that they can in fact be detrimental to someone's health on a long term usage.

Fear is a fight or flight response that was originally meant to solve immediate dangers to our physical lives. It increases chemicals in our body to quicken response time, reduce pain, increase muscle output, etc. In this day and age, however, we fear long term things like mortgages and court dates which have been shown to have adverse affects on our health.

Love: What is the meaning of the word? To some it can be a simple as the reaction to a beautiful person (male or female) (sex). Love beteween two people without the intamate contact to some does not exist. First you have to ask yourself what the word "Love" describes. From Homer to the trashy novels of today. Each person at different times have so much conflict within themselfs that feelings either emotional, physicial, or spiritualiy can rule your life if you do not understand how they react within eachother. Now as to Vampires. I have been only watching them for only about 5yrs all too short a time for this meere mortal to truly give an answer. But this I will say. I have known a Vamire that has been turned to a degree tword the, what some might call the good. Only going after the corrupted or wicked. As a famous or infamous Vampire the "Brat Prince" some have called him. This is just a observation.

In my opinion love doesn't make vampires..it kills them.Take dracula for example...Anyone else think the whole "steak through the heart by the woman he loved most" was just a metaphor for "she betrayed him and he no longer had the will to survive his immortality".

If you really look into too it, you can find a way around the myths and come to facts.Love is curse to those not meant to have it..it's like playing russian roliet, and for a vampire it is a most dangerous game.

Here are some halloween bite size treats to eat


Love is the drug for the start of the vampire soul trip

and love also is the only thing that makes the vampire lose his life for in the end, he loses balance because of love because love is all that life is about.

I met a girl in a bar who said she wanted to fall in love just to get the broken heart, because she knew bad love was the best thing for the mind, it creates a power of aloneness that must be withstood to be loved in the future. Some are born artists, and some are made by love or misfortune.

Some people are born vampires, I was not, I am a vampire now, yes? Ok, born vampires, I acknowledge your existence, nowe acknowledge mine.

Love is the ultimate vampire act, the blood mixes in her womb. Sharing blood, and this happens through love.

It is all about blood love am I right, or am I right?

No, it's not all about love. Vampirism serves the individual in some way...for the sake of this thread, we'll call it energy. In most definitions, the vampire takes.

I understand that many also claim to give, but the nature of the vampire is to take in order to energize the self. If that taking is in the form of blood, sex, pranic energy, etc... it would seem that lust is the more apt cause (not necessarily sexual lust.)

And I know that came up earlier in the thread and no, lust and love do not necessarily connect. Quite often they are completely independent of one another.

Can love be a part of vampirism? Certainly. Is it a sole source? Nah.

yes I was not clear.

It seems the people whom are vampires who do not believe in the love aspect as being the catalyst for vampirism were born one.


Are there any vampires out there who were made vampires by love, or loss of love? Or being denied love? Even if you haven't been in love, could it be like that 18 year old said, he has the great desire to have love, and not getting it turned him into a vampire.

To recapitulate. Made vampires answer this question:

Did love have anything to do with you being TURNED?

I Agree With Lord Fangor. Love And Vampirism Have Nothing To Do Together. It Is Like Placing A Teddy Bear Next To A Gun.

I've known people that feed on love. I wouldn't necessarily call it vampirism but definitely a form of parasite. Continuously trying to cultivate love in a partner but unwilling or unable to return that emotion.

love is something that will help in the turning prosece. takeing bloop from the neck is cause its the eaziest place to get ti when ones hungry.

Love may only be involved by the one wanting to be turned for they have fallen in love with the vampire but I don't believe its love for which the vampire feeds other then to survive.

you can close this topic now.

I guess I was wrong.

Yes
Love is the most powerful emotion that is on this earth.
It has the power to make us smile and sing all day but when love lost can make the human kill and it happens all the time.
Could love make you turn to the dark make you want to be one of the undead?? I say sure
And this includes all the loves even those between parnet and child.

Wow. I like the general idea of this discussion, but I don't agree with the origional premise of it. It has been interesting to see what people have written, however. I'd put more into this, but I'm a bit out of it right now. lol

Love ,Lust, ummmmm it all center's around a vampire anyway in my book so just bite me already...pain turn's me on anyway .....love can come later ...LOL ...sorry trying to get a laugh outta ya's.

Hmmmm.... Love never thought of that one... for me at least it was a motorcyle... should have killed me, but here I am 18 years later...

But still interesting thought!

motorcycle is lust, you may say you love motor cycles, but ultimately people just like to ride, and there is no love in it.

No doubt there is a relationship between donors and vampires. I think that love is a strong tie that can connect the two.

Personally i don't believe a true vampire /can/ be turned, just awakened, and that true vampires are vampires from birth.
But that is a curious debate you've got going

I dunno, it has been so long since I have been "in love". I remember the power that all else was meaningless. I think I am unqualified to have even started this topic. Love was so powerful I wanted to die for it, die for her, take my life energy and waste it on her to preserve her and all she loved, even if it was not me. It didn't matter. I had asked her what time it was and she gave me the time of the day, and then we got rid of both of our watches.

With love time is meaningless, life begins a walk through the seasons, and unto each immortal, eternal love, even in remembrances, there are glances when I knew what she was thinking in silence, but now I know the tick of her clock of how she operates, and her baby she had she told me the name, I forgot, something in me had changed, I don't even remember if they had cigar on that day or not.

For all my life to look to her for everything, and then for her to suddenly mean naught. For me to give up my life for her, for some force of good inside me, the universal to give me a second life, will I die for love again? I need not have to, I have been a vampire by love, I will not kill myself again for any woman, even an angel with the front of a witch. I have fought through the MA trix, and I see we have but one life to give, and if the end of vampire love is a beginning, then let the old love die, my best friend goodbye, and goodluck.

My point was not whether or not I was experiencing love or lust with a motorcycle. It was that sometimes turning occurs from tramatic incidents, like mine, and not related to love or lust, but instead an extrordinary circumstance. Most people who had my type of accident didn't survive yet after an eight month stint in hospital.... I'm still kicking.

The area really doesn't make a diffrence to me but I highly doubt that any one can be "turnd". But that would be the funnyest shit ever

People don't "turn" into vampires. It is something that you have your whole life, and it may lay dormant as you are a child, but vampirism is not something you can attain. Being a vampire.... having vampiric blood is something given to you at birth. But it would make sense, your logic, if that were how it is done.

Dark Greeting's,
Maybe I shouldn't answer this,but I was Born not turned,so I guess love made me as my mother and father were in love.My kind useally never live after birth.there are many more of my kind these days,so I hope some of them answer this post.
Dark Blessing's,
KA
Proud Member Of The House Of Nocturnal Retribution

No vampariah , Love is not a mental illness or something that caused someone to be a vampire. The choice to be a vampire or not is a personal one. The fact that Hollywood shows people being turned is fiction and fiction only.

I think all people can vampiric in their own way, like all things in nature we must take in life, thus giving back death. For something to be built something must be destoried. It is the rule of nature. Now yes, in a perspective one can be concidered vampiric through one's love and 'need' for a person in many and all ways. But that is more of a dominating nature.

not it all

This is an interesting topic, and ive much o say but ill keep my voice down for now, but you are correct love is very powerful and it could be associated with vampyrism, but its probably not the case for all of the vampire sireings. Vampires love humans its a fact and they sire their loves, but i dont see that happening all the time.

hmm something to think about

i have to say that i agree with felix and the joker on this one. I was awakened, and that turning can't .happen. Also that love has nothing to do with the matter, although it can make those that aren't like-minded believe that they have been . Which is a cruel thing to do only to watch them fall.

well, hmm, now the question in my own thread has changed. Is it love that turned the vampire? And now it is LOVE OR ANYTHING ELSE CAN'T TURN A VAMPIRE

People state vampires are born not made, at least 4 responses in a row. Well I understand where you are coming from and for you you are right, right now, but what you don't get is that I am also right. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

You are all blood drinkers, and tghe fluids I am after are not blood but I am vampiric about it, we are the same we are different, I am after love juices, the endorphins in the brain, the fragrances of bodies, sweat, and a host of other fluids inappropriate to mention.

Why don't you love blood? I don't know... maybe it is because the accident of you enjoying your own blood came from masochism, and the sharing of it a dirty little lust secret that you give to another and there is no love in masochism.

Oh, believe me I totally get masochism, I am just an emo in a different way, I bleed in a different way. I get you, but you don't get me, we are different but we are the same, you just haven't had love turn you into a masochist yet, that was my trigger, and if I don't teach you how love turned me into a vampire, which one of the 7 deadly sins or combination of sins turned me, then someday you will be like oh, wow, that damn vampariah was right, I had nothing to really be morose about, life was quite beautiful, I just didn't have the patience to make things in life orchestrate together beauitfully, now I see I had it all, but now that I am a real vampire, my DNA has changed, I can't have kids, no body wants me, and unto myself I know I am insane, how will I ever find love in the future when I have proven in my antisocial action that I am not worthy of love...

and then you will kill yourselves because you think life is over after you die, and you will forget that Vampariah came back from the dead faced with the very same predicament you will be facing in the future, and you will not know how to heal thyself because you could not relate to me and my sins, of how I became a vampire not through blood but through love, and yeah, you are gonna be glad this time machine exists, where you can go back and pull the information off of old threads and save yourself.

Just don't kill yourself, there is a way out I have found it, and have hope, I will outlive you all, even though I was b orn in the 1960's and my idea of masochism is different still, I will be here in the future, just don't freak, I will heal one of you at a time, as you get turned, and you will be in such disbelief, but you will be glad you were so dark I learned from you all how to be whole again so I can heal you.

But it is going to be living like a dog for 10 years before you ever even get to the opportunity to bring yourself back, no one can make it that far, no body, you gotta be insane to stick around dead for 10 years. Life is difficult enough for the living, all the imagining sufferings, but think if you were dead, I mean really dead, and thet you left the species? Can you imagine not being able to have a child?

Well yes, you all say you are vampires and yet you can have children, but there is not one vampire book or one vampire movie or even a vampire cartoon for that matter where a vampire has a child. NO, so how can you be a vampire when you still have the power to bring new life into this world, and then therefore by definition are a part of the human race?

To be a part of the species is to be able to beget offspring that can have children. I left the human race a long time ago when I was turned by masochism by love. Yes I was turned, and if you don't watch it, you will be turned too, and hell I am gonna swipe my christmas present from under your christmas tree I was going to place the truth in it, but what fun is that for you to know how not to becaome a vampire? That takes the fun out of it, so you all go get some love now and then slowly detroy yourself for her or for him, and then get back to me a decade after it is over, and I will bring you back from the dead because I will still be here, I am in no rush, I am not going anywhere, I am going to live a long time, it will seem like an eternity compared to the quicksilver lives flashing of ignored desperation and calamity without the patience to understand how to find the cure. You don't have to worry about a thing, the very core of the earth that will claim you, is the underground I have risen from, you can fill my hole for a while, until you are tired of being dead...

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