There has been much debate on vampirism and all the coponents that go along with it. Now I have (yet another) question for everyone.
Every day, people surround themselves with others and often times their mood or energy will change with the those they are with; feeding off of each other one could say. With that in mind, do you feel that this is a psy vampirism epidemic, or that quite possibly, every soul has a dash of vampire in them? Or, of course, do you feel that it is just B.S.?
I think we feed off each other without realizing it..ever been in a bad mood and someone comes in and u start to feel better? you are snaggin some of the energy they put out..as for the vamp psy feeding..that is an intentional thing we do. Usually without caring the result on the vic..umm "donor"
I agree with kytrin on this one. We have the needs of the energy but we feed that way sometiems with out knowing it to say the very least.
I think it just kinda happens that way and has nothing to do with any sort of vampirism at all.
It's the same thing with listening to music, *I* think.
The music you listen to, the people you surround yourself with and even the clothing you wear influences your mood and how you act.
I highly doubt a pair of wide legged, chained pants from hot topic will influence you to go picking sunflowers in the fields outside of Tuscany.
LOL
This psy vampirism is simply illusion.
Because whenever you walk outside,
you meet others,they encountering their
own situation.Not with your energy.
Psychologically it is called,
too self-conscious.
I'm with Simon as well.
fictional and non-fictional vampires may be included in this thread however it is seen fit. Everyone proves a point in a different manner, after all.
Lestat,are you talking about yourself or you talking about vamp(Y with energy)re?
I am not certain that everyone possesses this ability but I am very aware that I do it. I know that when I am around many individuals I always feel much stronger because I feel as though I am absorbing their energy. Also, when I am in a relationship with someone I am always the one with all of the energy. Somehow I drain my partners of all their energy although it is unintentional.
We all tend to react to the emotions of others if we're around them a lot. Even plants wither and die if left in areas of mostly negative energies so it just makes sense that humans give and take from each other. I don't think it has anything to do with vampirism.
Lestat:
I understand your point about "Psy Vamps".
If we can agree to the fact that almost everyone can feel the collective energy of a group and, indeed, be affected by it. Are those who consider themselves "Psy Vampires" simply more adept at sensing and exploiting this energy for their own benefit? If that is the case, I would have to say that with enough patience and attention, anyone could "feed" off another's energy. If this is the case it lends creedence to your statment regarding "Psy Vampires".
I see,lestat.
Would you explain your way psychologically?
Might learn something.
whether or not we take blood from others, the point is we still take all kinds of other things
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CuRsEdToDaRkNeSs High Sire (157) Posts: 1,286 Honor: 2,184 [ Give / Take ] |
It depends on how we look at this in my opinion.... are we talking about Psi vamps, or empaths.... a psi vamp takes energy... meaning they can drain a person and make them tired.... an empath is a person that can feel others moods, for example..... you are sad... a person that is happy walks in and you begin to feel better.... that is empathism... it can also be psycology to a person that is not quite as open to things not scientific...... I do however know people that their moods do not sway no matter who is around them, I do indeed know more whom are that way then empaths.
Basically what I am saying is.. we are discussing psi vamps as a leech of emotions..... which is not what a psi vamp is...... they take energy, some awaringly..... some unawaringly. I dont know that I think that everyone has vamp in them though......
Why do you need energy when you already have plenty of them constantly recieving from your own unlocked celestial energy and drinking blood which is rich resource for you at same time?
Hmmmm,maybe i missed something here,are we saying then that if psi's are not true vampires,then what are considered as such??
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CuRsEdToDaRkNeSs High Sire (157) Posts: 1,286 Honor: 2,184 [ Give / Take ] |
There are some that do need the extra energy. Have you not ever just sat back and thought to yourself.. wow I could go for a nap... There are also the people in the world with the gift of healing..... They indeed need extra energy at time.... I say that..... like with everything else.. it is all in how the psi vamp chooses to use it.. there are those that only take when it is truley needed for them, and then there are those that just simply do it to do it... there is always a balance of right and wrong..... There are people in the world that are not the healthiest people and at times do need that pick me up.... A psi vamp can give it as easily as they take it as well..... so there is always the chance that some may take to give... everything is a what if and a possiblilty in this discussion.. there are no right or wrong answers. :)
*snort* vampires not true vampires...
that being said, to a certain degree most people subconsciously pull energy from those around them. they do this without knowing. there is a huge difference between that and knowingly, deliberately feeding off of prana, life energy, vs emotions.
it would be just as easy to say that sanguine vampires are deluded as it is to say that a psi-vamp is deluded. *lurk*
Hells,have you studied about memories before?
Here is part of our tribe's history.
It can be long so i edit this to short.
You can say we are memory freak.
We were curious about memory,so we started to research how memory works.
As you see on modern medical scene,
we were pioneer of this from discovery of
drinking blood from mouth to your brain
directly.I remember since back then many
of us risked their life because of dieases.
That time we did not have much anti-diease.
So anyway research went on,we found
mechanism for passing memories is same
as mosquito but in diffrent method for us.
the major problem i keep seeing is the confusion of emotion and energy.... emotion unlike energy has no substance.... emotion is the reaction to an action. energy is a power source.... emotion can vary for the same amount of energy... but in most cases those that are full of energy (hyper) are happy and those who have no energy are gloomy.... but not always! you can be sleepy and happy too!
so simon you dont belive that there is such a thing as psychic ability then. fair enough I didont once as well. but how is it that a humans blood is differnt to a pigs or cows. after all the only major difference is the possibility of catching more diseases from
drinking a humans blood. I have many question on being a vampire the whole thing realy fasinates me. is it a religion as such or a cult following. is it the phycology of knowing you are drinking anothers humans blood that gives you that endorphine rush or is there some kind of protien that makes the difference (I know the second not to be true) when did vamiperism become a large thing was it since the old days or since hollywood started to sell box seats with it.
I have yet to look into this and know nothing about it you see. any references would be greatly apreaciated. titles will do I can find my own litriture once I know what im looking for. I am afraid I can not drink blood my friend so I can not test these things anyway.
how much do people actualy drink. does any one here actualy make it a staple diet like a pint or two a day. were do you get it from if that were the case. I truly like the image of vampirism it is a very sexy and dark thing to take on. but if one takes something on doesnt that mean its a faith or following rather than a true being as such. would your red and white blood cell count be different from another persons. are there new genetics involved. the way things are going these days it might not be that far down the road that people will actualy be traped in such a state. but it is my postulation that another animals red blood cells would fix this. so that leaves me with only one answer. and that this is a great way to live a funky life. truly I have nothing against it and I read the profiles and rated them (very well mind you It was great) so I think that I dont have it in me to think badly of it. there are a lot of lost people here with very dark thoughts. I think maby this is one of the keys to vampireism. but not for all I see.
maby thats what makes it so much fun.
the mascarade.
Good question:)
Diffrence is for example from mosquito,
When mosquito feeds off from multiple animals,mosquito have multiple DNA/RNA and genome.
Have you saw jurassic park? That one.
When we feed off from you call this human in word with permission,You have multiple as well.However you can revive the memories from who you fed with images.
It is like you watching tv.And when you going to make babies,all those memories
can passing on through.Or for yourself,
you can pass it through reincarnation so
you can start your new life with you know who you were.
I think we feed off each others energy, a person can walk into a room a bad mood and not say a word and it will effect everyone as well as if they were in a good mood. I don't believe it's a from of vampirism though. I think it's just human nature to be able to read each other to know how to approach one another.
Here I feel as thogh I must agree with the concensus that we feed off the energy of others. I do notice when I am moody and some cheerful person enters room.... well they won't be cheerful much longer! ; )
We all, vampire and non vampire feed off the energy of others.
Simon:> I find your theory fascinating indeed. I would posit that something similar happens to those who feed in an energetic sense. One consumes the pranic energy of another and through their life energy takes in a portion of their experiences and emotions, which is why many times energy vampires are picky about whom they choose to feed from. Certain energies... yuck.
Along with your theory, I have recently read a book called the Lucifer Principle. It states that the atoms and matter that constructs each being dissipates as the body decomposes and transits to become a part of other living organisms. As such, we could easily contain atoms that belonged to Jesus Christ or even Hitler. I'm not sure I believe in that theory, but it's an interesting concept.
My girlfriend and I can change each others mood or emotions just by the tone of our voice
Hmmmmm I think its possible if the person thinks its possible....if that makes sense....however I do not agree (Im getting off the subject) that people kill people because of music
I believe that we all feed off of each others energy, whether you are a vampire or not.
i would say tha t there is energy everywhere and we are selves are made wit henerg flowing through us.. so i think its only natural that we would feel the energy of others around or near us .. mixing with our own....
I think that everyone does have vampirism in them, just they aren't ready to awaken, and they may never awaken in this life time.
But it is true that people feed off of eachother emotion wise.
after some long needed sleep I think I might have the basis of what a vampire is :) a vampire is some one who needs to feed off of some one in some way or form. I was going to leave this but simon to feel genetic memory one would have to change there genetics this would then create cancer in the host and kill them. and if my understanding is correct it is possible to put the turm vampire to many things. for instance it is quite possible to look at a polatition as a vampire feeding off of society. the list could be quite large. then i would be seen that a vampire could be some one who was turned from nurture to feeding off of those that they would once give energy too. and the reverse would also be possible. make it so yes there could be a vampire in every one.
but as a buddist would look at it. these qualities are prehaps the demise of spirtual freedoms that will give one enlightenment.
personaly I would rather take the masquarade as that is more fun and probably better for one self in the end game.
they should put image in to this place I think and I have the funny feeling that is what they were aiming for. it should be a game my friends not something to be taken so seriously. the world is a rough enough place as it is with out believing that ones soul purpouse is to feed of the week or those that care for us. haveing said that this is very different to a goth who likes to use blood in sex acts or like for that in its self is just a game. I believe that it is when games get taken too seriously that we start to loose who we truly were and what we were ment to be. this explains to me why there are a lot of people who are hurt and feel that they can not fit into society. (yes I studied psych and a lot of other things ill never do another persons work for them again) wial this escapisum is essential for some parts of human development it in the long run if not seen for what it is can destroy a life. of course there are alway exceptions to the rule. I hope your one simon as I would truly hate to think some one thinks they are a true vamipre in the dracula sence.
to feed off of genetic memory though is not possible to my knowlage. maby in the world of magic but this I have yet to see or even hear about other than here and in some of levays works. Im not a big fan of levay he entices insanity in his practitioners and social alienation. I have all of his books and think they are best left on the shelf. in my books the key to every thing is love for with out it this place is doomed.
Snowflake i understand.We are not in any religion or philosophy.You know how they
work for their profits.They do not choose for what they want.That is reason for war.I born at 1483 which is after their death according to documents so i am not sure exactly for Vlad dracul line.Someone might have memories of them in their blood,someone might not.
However snowflakes,you can see this too.
Mechanism of blood itself,it is beyond your knowledge,so for me,all souls who have blood
within.Only creator of blood knows the full answer.Only we can do is discover learn and action.
Ah nightgame mentioned about reaction.
That reaction reminded me this reaction
about moon sign.
The moon(a satelite)represents a reaction,
unconscious pre-destination,and the self-image.
I wander what this psy vampirism have connection with your moon sign?
Everyone has the power of empathy... I know that if i'm say at a funeral you can't help but be a liltte depressed for others loss...
i agree that we are unaware that we feed off of other people emotions and feeling.
im not going to patent post here dude. what eva know I was part of a very large research organization and to be honest I think the princes name says it all
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I get a lot of respect from a lot of very very powerfull people my friend you would be surprised what I am able to comprehend. also I get the respect for being a teacher in the black sciences. I may only have a stupid rating here but the places I travel you dont get in unless your iq is through the roof budddddy :).
I may also be dislexic but hey that comes with the left hemisphere being more active. and also if you want to know what the russians found about psych prehaps you should ask them. there is a link to the nomia crew in my profile. the wont talk to you though as you could not give them anything of worth. or could you I wouldnt want to judge you on your argumentive skills. but know no reference there no go. you argue with the knowlage of a child and nothing to back it up. why make your self look like this on a public forum. to me its just asking for your ego to be totaly deflated when you grow up and realise :) peace and learn some zen dude it will serve you well.
ok im not trying to be rude but who are you talking to if your talking to if no one are you just trying to boost your posts because thats kinda weak in my opinion.
Huh?
I am just telling truth here,snowflake.
Why do public need to know your background anyway? It has nothing to do with this subject either.
you are right I am sorry I should have left the insult as it was :( and if I wanted to boost my posts I would most likely write my self a script to do so. :) please do not take offence to what I have said. but it was not to boost my posts I think the whole thing of getting post credits and such is a waist of time and im happy getting on more level as they call them just to be able to start threads and ask questions of a few people here. I am not here to become the all mighty vampire and as ive noticed you have to rate like a demon anyway and I cant be bothered. I am here to find wiccans for when my forum is ready :) I just felt for simon becouse he is very lost. I may have said the wrong things though in self defence and for this I am sorry :) but know I will not knock you in the slightest for posting as much as you can if its not done via code. also know I will not judge you on how long you have been on a forum for. I have run many in my time and some with many hundreds of thousand users. I do hope they get the I-mage in this place it would be awesome.
pitty he hasnt touched it for so long I think.
in my opinion i dont realy think simon cares were you get the facts and the information because its everyones opinion on what they think,
well I must say the best vampire I have found here so far in the terms of sucking peoples energy was banned and he was growup :)
what a dude lowest score of all I had to give him a 10. for he was here only to feed off of you guys. Kind of poetic and romantic when you think about it. truly nailed the essence of a vampire wial saying that anyone who was one was gay. the mind boggles
Ah would you explain deeper how he did drain off energies? When you take a look at members article,stabb666,one of dominars in here wrote article about energies.
for every person he upset he got a laugh and an increase in seratonine and dopamine.
for ever low rating he would be happy to know he had done what he had set out to do. and all at the expence of some one else. is that not to feed on some one or more to the point off there missery. you will probably find I will think for my self more than reading some one elses post on basic transfers of energy. it may not be
of the levay or vampiric sence in the finite sence. but it was very effective and I am sure he is happy as punch and here as some one else. personaly I am glad he did not give it to the ones that were very upset and left it to the hardcore :) it shows some kind of restraint. unfortunatly the hardcore are usualy the ones who complain and get things done so he was kicked. but yes I think it was a vampiric action even if it did not need to be on the physical or ether planes of existance. for mental feeding is also a way to increase ones own energy and decrease some one elses. in a word it was EGO he fed
I see you talking about puneuma.
It is energy within words.
Yes we feeding off energy from these words we reading typing writing for sure.
I feel that we all do, knowingly and unknowingly, draw energy and emotion from others and that does not necessarily mean we are all vamps.
for then I am lost and must start again I am sorry. what is a vamp :) this thread will last a decade I believe and what a wonderfull thing too.
wow..this is really a good discussion. I happen to agree with Blacksnowflake..
I wouldn't call it feeding off each other i would simply call it empathy.... or maybe that is a vampire trait.... its rare to find someone who is truly empathic.... most people just ahve sympathy if anything.... thats something to think about?
Empathy react into sympathy in multiple ways.
It depends on situation would it not?
that is how i see it.
very true simon and that is why strong empaths end up going mad or some of us who are lucky enough get found by the group and shown how to control it. hmmm a good journel entry I think. but yes if you can truly feel what another feels it is very difficult not to symathise with them. it is a truly consuming thing too.
I hate were I live the city I must be blocked at all times. I think that is why most people get a grayed out mantalety when living in a city. some dont as they just dont care and cant feel it. to date I have met only 3 true empaths. many potentials though but only 3 true ones. I showed them what I was shown and they are much happier since.
funny thing was all three were musicians like my self who had trained in improvisation. this would sujest that it can be exersised and taught. for to feel some one in a jazz gig is much the same.
The first thing I want to address is the theory of passing memory through ingestion of blood. Any blood ingested is going to pass through one's digestive system. We all know what happens to things as they pass through our digestive tract, and it stinks about as badly as the theory at hand.
Next, the topic at hand, the question of whether everyone is a bit of a vampire or not. This is actually the closest to my beliefs on any kind of vampirism outside of fiction. Every single thing around us contains energy. We have a constant effect on everything around us, and at the same time everything around us is constantly affecting us. I think this happens to varying degrees, and with varying levels of consciousness and control.
Duc,you do understand every nutritions going to spread through to your entire body from your digestive system through a blood vessel?
If so,What are you trying to say?
Energy feeds energy so if your around negative you feel negative if your around positive it's the same. If you feed from a sad person you will most likly feel sad and the same for happy. Thats my 2 cents
i do believe you can feed off someone elses energy .. If they are in a bad mood and come to your home the negative energy can be felt and it starts to bring down others.
I think on a psi level every one is like a vampire in a way
well thanx to simon I am beginning to understand this. I am not 100% believer and I dont think any none vampire could be to be honest. the plain matter of the fact and I dont think there can be a turned person from what we have discussed is that either you can gain memory from blood or you can not. end of story. so your either a vampire or you are not.
how does one test this. well I would start by haveing a test sample of blood so we have a general knowlage of the genetic memory in the blood then I would make the people who claim to be vampires drink it. keep the seperate then ask question. the ones who come up with the same answers are well vampires the others very very coooool :)
so theres an answer whos in for the test.
i have drained enrgy from others i get a rush feeling~!
I agree with many of the people here.
but we all have those days where the moods of others affect us, bad moods around happy people, if theyre laughing at something and your in on the joke then chances are your mood is gunna be a bit better as well.
I am a firm believer that everyone has unused portions of their brain that are untapped for whatever reason, which makes all of us capable of such things as telepathy, telekinesis, etc....
A little vamp in everyone? not so much...I do not beleive that everyone has a touch of vampirism in them- it is not a mental thing, it is either genetic or chosen, depending on how you believe, but it is there or it is not...
Many times I have, as a bartender, been able to alter people's moods when they have come itno the hotel where I worked, and I have enjoyed being able to do that for many people- although I have failed in that effort on some few occasions. I always used to chalk it up to me just being good at my job, being a good listener or talker depending on the need of the customer, etc. Others have said that my so called empathic ability has been what has allowed me to alter people's moods like that-
I have never found that wearing a specific type of clothing would improve or make worse my attitdue, although I will be the first to admit to dressing the "ice queen", "cast iron bitch", or any number of other attitudes I particularly wished to project at the time-sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't-
I do not think of vampirism as something that can be called "latent" - either you are, and you know it, and most likely have ALWAYS known it, or you aren't.
I do think that everyone has a little vampire in them, I have had a bad day and a friend in a good mood comes over and im not in a bad mood any more, so yes i do believe that theres a little pshyc vampire in everyone.
I believe that everyone, self-professed vampire or not, feeds on others. Psy Vamps just know how to utilize it and know they have that power.
The more I consider this question, the more I feel the logical conundrum it reveals points to something critically wrong with today's popular-culture view of what a "psy-vampire" and/or "vampire" is.
As Humans, we all are gregarious creatures: we all psychologically benefit from interaction with others in sharing energies together as well as in verbally expressing and sharing our thoughts, desires, and experiences in life. This is a very Human condition, a very Human need.
Thus, if all Humans possess this "vampiric" need to share energy, etc., then by the definition of psy-vampirism, we must all technically be vampires.
And, if being Human is to be Vampire as well, then there is no separate distinction for the Vampire of history, much less of fiction, as we must ALL be vampires. And if so... what's the point in using the term "vampire" at all? "Vampirism" as a separate status ceases to exist if 100% of Humans share a trait that someone has chosen to interpret as the very essence of vampirism.
Therefore, either the term "Human" is synonymous with "Vampire," thus rendering the "V-word" superfluous, or else the true essence and definition of "Vampire" must be far removed from any definition related to what is termed "psy-vampirism."
To be honest, I think every soul must be a little vampiric. if not for blood, the feeling of it. The satisfaction of finding prey and being fed, the rush of life trembling at your hands, the want to do a little more to feel alive, the will and need to be different from everyone else by doing something some believe is "wierd" or "abnormal".
That I believe, makes everyone just a hint vampiric, whether you hunt for blood or not.
I personally believe that everyone has some sort of ablitiys to recognize others emotions such as empathy but as for being vampuric I don't think that all souls could posses such..
i believe everyone has a little darkness inside. Be it evil or vampiric. I just know that if someone is feeling a strong emotion i pick up on it and unless i control myself, i will also feel that way. Sometimes its not so good.
Or perhaps every vampire is in deed human as these are human things we are talking about here. Everyone experiences the highs and lows of those around us. Tell me one of you can remain in a good mood when one you loves is not.
I agree with Nightgame! People do tend to "absorb" energy whether it be positive or negative. As with plants, it is proven that a plant surrounded with negative energy will wither, even if given the "basics." Now, a plant which is exposed to positive energy, lets say talking to it, it grows beautifully. Children tend to be like their parents when they grow up, bummer. What does Vampirism have to do wit it?
I think everyone feeds off of each other.
It's human instinct to try to dominate others. It's survival. Simply that. We try to pwn others to make us more important. Keeping us from being considered lowly and the prey. Even without knowing it we try to show others up. We try to be the best. That's why we insult people. Trying to keep ourselves ranked up high.
We all are a bit of a blood-sucker, but, if the psy-vamps are an epidemic, them the elders aren't in as much controlas they say they are.On the other hand, though, the elders could be using the psy-vamps to weed out the...well, think about it, lol.
UpirLikhyj, thank you so much for that insight. Your intellect is superb. And as a response to your insight, I must agree that the word "human" is very synomonous to "psy-vampire." I think that is so because what popular culture sees when imagining a vampire is Dracula or Lestat. There are not many times that a group will discuss the different ways of vampirism.
I don't think that there is a psy-vamp epidemic. I think it's just human nature to empathize with others around you. Of course, their emotional issues become part of us because we are caring individuals.
I think psy-vampire is true and i think it exist in every one. I know my friends and I always can feel what the others are going threw
I think Kytrin does have a valid point and I would say that it is likely that people will exchange energy. However, I believe that the need to aquire energy is what separates vampires and mundanes.
I assume this is similar to every fat person has a skinny one inside dying to get out :)
My opinion is that, while everyone might be able to gather energy from external sources and use it to their advantage, not everyone has a NEED to do so.
As a vampire, I need energy on a daily basis. I get it from various different sources.
My husband, not being a vampire, has no need for energy from external sources, but that doesn't stop the energy from affecting him.
its total BS. what your talking about is sympathy, empathy, or a lack of apathy
Until an objective scientific study is conducted that empirically evidences energy being drawn from one person and being added to the energy of another, no logically reasoning person is going to be convinced of any "psy-vampire" reality.
And as it is the responsibility of those making the claim to prove the evidence thereof, I look forward to any such as might be found.
"Extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence"
- Carl Sagan
I think everyone feeds off of each other.
A little thing can make a big difference. I work with people and i get one angry costumer it ruins my day, and it seems that everyone around that person gets in a cranky mood.
I believe that we are victims,so to speak, of individuals aura's. When one comes into contact with a person who has a negative aura, then we tend to start acting and thinking in a negative way, and the same as when we come into contact with an individual with a positive aura.
I think many feed from others and are just not aware of it. Tis not BS, for some it is close to surivival
To want insatiably...to take what you want. To rationalize want with need. To romanticize the cycle...
Guilty every one of us. Most especially me.
*Disclaimer- definitions by Joli, who has no illusion of being agreed with.*
I, as always, would never presume to say "there is no such thing" as a Phys Vampire. Anything is possible as far as I'm concerned, as for a bit a vampire in all of us, I'm not certian I buy that. I think we all tend to "feed" off of each other, but I'd imagine that a true Phsy Vampire's abilities are much more refined than just random energy sharing.
i do believe in vampires....but what u described i think is just BS
Joli's description above comes closest to anything I've read thus far to describing emotionally the essence of what was the historic vampire.
The sensual communions (feastings) wherein true "vampirism" is so gloriously fulfilled were fueled solely by such... insatiability.
Lovely, Joli... as always.
All people, whether vampiric or not, react to the thoughts actions and moods of those around them. If someone thinks they are a psi/psy vampire and can use other peoples energy that's up to them, but it doesn't change the facts.
I, in my own opinion, possibly could happen, not neccessarily everyone but most people that do not want to embrace such things.
There's seldom an agreement on the definition of vampirism, but if you mean the taking in one form or another of sustenance or vitality from living creatures, then absolutely yes. The vampire, even in metaphor, lives in us all.
vampires live in all of yes. we can drain others without even knowing it and they can do the same for us.
I think vampirism is only when someone won't ground themselves, and steal energies from others.. or rely on others to make them feel good.
The rest.. is natural.
Ever meet "Fun vampires?" I don't mean the kind that like to party, but the person who can, by just walking into the room, suck all the fun out of the place?