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I was reading the post on everyone's belief of guardian angels..to be or not to be thing.
So I pose a question here.Many believe that vampires are fallen angels..that somehow we are damned for needing to feed off of others.Whether it be simply energy or blood.That because some are gifted with e.s.p.,second sight,healing abilities,energy transference,being more intune with nature in general.And so on, that we are all related to fallen angels.
Let me know what ya think.
Me , I think we are, but just my opinion.




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My Greetings

I truly believe that Vampires are Fallen Angels , trying to find there way in the darkness

Forever

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I don't think vampires are fallen angels, but I do think that it must be hell being one



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well put Chris*grins*



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I believe that there are many fallen angels and some may well be Vampires, i know not if i am fallen angel or not, i was born of nephilim that i know, the rest i still try and figure out.



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Raistlin, thank u for yer reply.If I may be of any help to u ,please let me know.



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I dont think vampires are fallen angel since the angle to began with are there to serve a perpouse of a cause or a faith or superior force then them, the fallen angels then shoudl be the oposite or do the oposite, vampires can do both, ether serve a perpouse a cause, a faith a superior force or go against it all, so there for it would be logical to assume they are not, plus since vampires feed of others, energy, blood or ther ways or nourishement, the angels are nto made to feed others that way if they were then it would be realistic to assume that their conterpart the fallen ones are vampires.



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I believe humans are stupid when it comes to vampires. we're more or less the better species. we crave blood like humans crave food. except the humans eat anything they can get their hands on, at least we only have one diet and we don't binge like they do.



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We have blood of fallen angel in our vein(s) as in my profile says.

Looks like many having trouble when it comes to this path so let me put it simple.
If you thought this is religious,you are wrong.This is what happened.

Adam+Eve=Abel
Azu the fallen angel+Adam=Cain

Cain sucked dried off abel,
cain called this embrace.
Cain made descendant with beast,
here we are,we have cain's cursed memories and blood.
All sins,pains and suffering
in kin/kindred started from murder.
There is more if you would like to know.
So,if you drunk cain's blood,you are
fake vampire but you are follower of cain,
if you not going to change yourself,
eternal death awaits.



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CLOSE!!....But No...vehemently No..but close....The original 300 fallen angels were not blood drinkers, they were however the inhabitants of the Land of Nod before the creation of the Adam and Eve of biblical "fame". When Cain was banished for killing Able a "mark" was placed on him so that all who came in contact with him would know him for what he was....Now if it was JUST Adam & Eve and Cain & Able and their Twins sisters...Yes twin sisters...You'll notice that the bible rarely if ever mentions a Womans birth...So if it was just these 6 individuals....who would come upon Cain ?????
The sad thing is the Bible says a LOT that people don't understand or even question, like the Children of Anak and the giants that dwelt in the lands as well...since before the creation of Adam...The Catholic church has done an excellent job of keeping certain truths buried that it could not use to control the masses....How would you feel if you were to find out that YOU were not special, in the sense of creation ???
The Bible is filled with history of things yet unexplained by ministers and the such because they know that questions would lead to more questions that they could not ony NOT answer but if they were to they would lose their congregation in the process.....

As far as the Blood drinking race that existed/exists....they are beings from another galaxy who dwelt on the earth not so much unlike humans....remember genes are a fantastic thing passed down through the generations and VOILA they wake up in certain people and now it's a disease and not a nature....

There is so much that has been supressed most people have no idea what they are missing....even though a few feel themselves scholars or well educated in certain fields, they would still remain stiff necked regardless of the truth that presented itself because of their egos...The "Look at me I am knowledgeable" syndrome would shatter if they were to lose YOUR ear to facts as they truly are.



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i'm not really sure here..i'd hate that we're "damned" just for the lifestyle we live.



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02:50:26 Mar 11 2007
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Fallen angels? No.. probably not.

People living an alternative lifestyle... sure.



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Maybe some..fallen angels chose the vampire life,but not all.



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Vampires could be fallen angels but I'm not sure. The first written vampire was Lilifth so maybe, or maybe Vampires are just the result of punishment from God, could explain the levels of power you have with vampires.



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Vampires are the Offspring of Angels. it is said that all children of the night are the offspring of Angels. some like to think that they are from the Fallen the truth is not know.

there was a time that God let Angels live on Earth and let them marry the daughters of Eve. From those joinings were born the Children of the night (Vampires, Werewolves,.....ect.). Also from these joinings were Born the Gods (Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian, Norse,.....ect.).

These Children were called Nephilem. They were long lived and hard to kill. When they became willful and disobeyed the word of God He/She made the Angels return Home (Heaven and Hell) then he Flooded the Earth.

This is the story. who knows if its true or not.



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Lilith, according to Hebrew Jewish texts, was the first woman created for Adam.

After his failure, she was allowed to stay out on her own, as a witch, mother of all demons. She was allowed to kill infants up until their naming day (7 days for girls and 8 days for boys), unless they had a charm over their sleeping place with the names of the angels on them. Then, she promised, she would not kill them.

Cain was the firstborn son of Adam and Eve. He was banished, with a mark, from the land of his parents because he killed his brother in a jealous rage. Cain wandered until he found Lilith by the Red Sea. She took him in and showed him the power of blood.



From Cain and Lilith came a host of demons and vampires in the vague myths. Cain is mentioned in the Bible as having a number of legitimate children, with an unnamed woman/ wife. Some of his children are even highly regarded, as they are listed with their inventions, such as the harp and metal working. But, past Gen. 4:26 there is no more mention of Cain's children or his line. Cain himself is referred to only twice more, in the New Testament, as "the prototype of the wicked man."

From what there is presented in the Bible, there is little to go on with the myth of Cain and Lilith. Lilith herself appears only in Jewish apocrypha texts-- she is in neither the Torah or the Bible.

Surprisingly, Cain and Lilith’s children resurfaced 1000 years later in the epic poem Beowulf, and with much more mention than he ever receives in the Bible. Beowulf was first written down and preserved by monks-- who were the only literate people in their time. The tale originated somewhere in the 600's in England, and was thought to have been written down at a later time

...Till the monster stirred, that demon, that fiend,
Grendel, who haunted the moors, the wild
Marshes, and made his home in a hell
Not hell but earth. He was spawned in that slime,
Conceived by a pair of those monsters born
Of Cain, murderous creatures banished
By God, punished forever for the crime
Of Abel's death. The Almighty drove
Those demons out, and their exile was bitter,
Shut away from men; they split
Into a thousand forms of evil-- spirits
And fiends, goblins, monsters, giants,
A brood forever opposing the Lord's
Will, and again and again defeated.
(Ll. 101-114)

...Cain had killed his only
Brother, slain his father's son
With an angry sword, God drove him off,
Outlawed him to the dry and barren desert,
And branded him with a murder's mark. And he bore
A race of fiends accursed like their father...
(Ll. 1261-1266)



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SimonTheAntares
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Again,i am not talking about bible.
There is older book than that,i am talking about book of zodiacs,ever heard of it?



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And when you think beyond about it,
if adam did not have sex with azu the fallen angel,this never happened,ever.
In conclusion,adam is sinner of sinner,
enemy of enemy.

You HAVE to RESEARCH far far back way.

NOT few thousand years ago's documents
but more than 5 billion years ago's documents.



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i do believe in fallen angels but not so sure about vampires being fallen angels but something interesting to think about :)



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i truely believe in fallen angels have heard alot about that particular thing, but haven't researched about vampires being fallen angels but that will be something to learn and find out.


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We are no fallen angel we are vampire,there is a big diffrence,one has been casted out of"heven"the other had little or no choice in the matter.I still to this day do not know why people are trying to dicect my kind the thruth is out there one just needs to look for it.



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>Othis

Okay,would you explain about mechanism of your body mathematically then?



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Honestly, I don't buy it... I know when I was born, I know when I grew up, etc. Nothing "supernatural" about it.



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Fallen Angels are not Vampires. The Vampire Race may have origins with such Angels, but they are not one and the same.The current incarnation of the Vampire is as a life style choice. What real predatory creatures that still lurk in the dark are to smart to be discovered by the common man. They are Hunters by nature.
The next link in the food chain. They are not the misterious and elogent myths that media has come to portray them as. And to come face to face with one means yu are it next meal.



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well if were angles why would we find are way into the darrkness



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Because only fallen angels/fallen devils/demons causing sin from themselves.



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This fallen angels stuff is being based on the original Book of Enoch. Which was considered fiction in the first place when it came out a couple of thousand years ago. It was an attempt to tell the masses that you have to do what you are told or G*D will punish you for look...G*D even punishes HIS angels! No angel has ever fallen, nor have any of you.

The Church as any Government do have their secrets, it's the nature of the beast. Let's not go into conspiracy theories.

As for the Bible itself, let's not start any flaming. It is filled with many things, for many reasons. It is not up for discussion on VR.

If any flaming or preaching continues, the thread will be closed.

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Why this has to be religious?
If you studying magick,you would know this.If you are not studying magick then you never know.



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I do believe we are fallen angels.since angels are thought to be with some sort of "supernatural powers"...
But if we are fallen angels,that means there are angels somewhere?and what do you think?is it a devine thing?or are they here on earth too?that's an interesting question too i think...are angels connected to god or something?



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I believe angels were created to serve and proclaim the glory of their creator. They were not given free will therefore could not sin and be cast out. I agree the book of Enoch is a work of fiction.



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Azazel=former satan

No longer as satan,azazel went back to original position.

Anyway,history goes like this from fallen angels.



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I think they are two seperate beings completely. THey may share common atributes, but I belive they are still seperate.



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personally I think vampyres are just another species like any other that is out there.



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I do not believe that Vampires are fallen angels. Total opposites, light and dark. I wonder what colour an angel turns when they fall? Black and blue???



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Can't say I subscribe to the fallen+angel=vampire equation. I don't see any cause for confusing the two, either. Though, I love reading a good theory just like anyone else...



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I've heard about fallen angels, but I've never heard that a vampire was a fallen angel. Being a vampire is a choice you make.



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On this question there are many opinnions and to little answers . I feel that what ever created us would not creat a race just for it's life to be damned eternally . I feel that it is mere humans that have put that lable on vampyres . Humans are the damned one if you look at it . They belive themselves normal when they commite murders for no reason . A vampyre feeds from blood . Humans feed from animals . Should humans be labled damned for eating it's only a natrual part of life . You have to eat to survive . So do vampiyres . As I said before there are to many opinnions and not enough answers



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Why is the word DAMNED constantly coming up.

Fallen Angels were not Damned to Earth, They chose to follow other than, and remained here.

Thulkran, or what some call vampires were not Damned, they chose to remain here. Hey there's a new word for ya.

The cities of Sodom & Gommorah were not destroyed because they lived an alternative life style....they were destroyed because they didn't listen to a specific command that was given concerning "Visitors".

Damn damn damn damn damn! put the plug in already and stop the leak.

Ya all be well.



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We are all gods and masters of our destiny’s dark as it may be



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An interesting theory, but I believe that vampires are different entities than the Fallen.



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I do not consider myself Christian (who does around here?), but fallen angles are demons... one can argue if they are truely "evil" or if they just had a different openion from god..

Vampires, we merely feed off of others, be it blood, psycic energy, or just having the rush of being around others.

The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.



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I think we are fallen angels damned to feed of others.



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well I'm not sure how every feels or thinks of the subject or what I'm going to say, nor do I care but hear me out, I have been a vampire for over a thousand years now, and I have no reccolect of ever being an angel or falling from my place as an angel. What I do remember is that I was created by another vampire, now wether or not he was afallen angel I donot know, nor will I ever for he is now no longer with us. But I myself am not nor will ever be a fallen angel.



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I think it is possible that vamps are in deed fallen angels...However their are those fallen angels that are not vampiric in any form so I am truly unsure but great thing to research for sure thanks for this thread..



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I do not think that Vampires are Fallen Angels.



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Certainty is a luxury most individuals, vampire, human, or otherwise cannot normally have. Life is in a constant state of flux.



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If vampires are fallen angels, than Satan would be the first vampire. However, I dont think Satan was a vampire. Perhaps its just my upbringing in the Catholic Church that has forumalated my opinions.



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Satan was a fallen angel yes?



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Satan was indeed a fallen angel. An interesting idea, but there is nothing that mentions Satan with any vampire-like powers or physical traits, at least not in the Bible.



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Aye, was not referring to the bible.Just being all dark and gothy and mysterious*grins*



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...I am sorry. I am going to insult a few people here with this post, but I really need to get this off my chest.

Vampires...fallen angels? Stop reading so many anne rice novels and actually read about what a vampire is. jesus.



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I agree with you (Though I would have put it more diplomatically), but it doesn't mention vampires being fallen angels in any of Anne Rice's works. Fallen angels rule over demons in hell, it's as simple as that, folks.



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Angels have never been human or vice versa (unless you believe the book of Enoch where Enoch himself was transformed into an angel). The one time it is noted that angels mated with humans the offspring were described as being giants, and subsequently wiped out in the great flood. I think, personally that the Lilith hypothesis is more likely, and she was originally a human if I'm not mistaken.



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Correct. Lilith was originally Adam's first wife, but went against her husband when he refused to let her lay on top while they were sleeping together, so she left him, cursing both his name and God's, so God cursed her in return, and she was condemned to wander the land for all eternity drinking the blood of children.



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yes, Satan was a fallen angel according to Catholicism. He was casted out of heaven by God and thus the first one.



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i think that if a vamp was a fallen angel then why would he have to change to get wings??



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I do believe we are the fallen angels that were smitten down to earth with our lord SATAN!~NFA



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Eh, I've gotta disagree with that. There is no evidence that vampires are fallen angels, at all. Heck, even Lilith, the first vampire, started out as a HUMAN. She wasn't even an angel.



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Well put imagesinwords. I wont say that I do or dont believe this theory, because Im not sure about it myself to be honest, but I have heard that vampires are the angels of satan. That when he was cast from heaven, he had his followers and they were cast with him therefore fallen, given them the curse of blood drinking and such. It is said that since satan is bound to hell he has his fallen angles to roam the earth and do his business for him. *shurgs* Not sure that I believe it, but it was a theory I was once told that I thought I would share with you all. :)



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well every one has good points but in my eyes i think we r neither good nor evil. what we do to live is viewed as evil only cuz we live off of the blood of others. the very idea of vampires being of a falling angel is hard to grasp in the fact that how is that so when we r in nature not believing in much anymore



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vamps were angels but there wings were taken and they were sent to this plain for the hell hounds to find and take back to hell



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are you sure about that? I am not so sure I agree with it.. But each is entitled there own opinion.



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Wow, my head is swimming from all of the responces to this thread. So many responces that have made some very interesting points of truth.


But I have never thought vampires to be fallen angels. I have no proof to say one way or the other, but I would think Fallen angels to be another sort of creature.



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Fallen angels are a different entity entirely, and have no connection to vampires what-so-ever. Even if you believe that Cain was the first vampire, he started out human, as did Lilith. Also, Satan is not a vampire! There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support this.



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I can see how peope can think vampires as fallen angels...in fact i can see a very strong link between them. Damned because they were made from other vampires, as if they were never human at all. It's almost like lucifer....vampires go against what God in most religions stand for- and so they are categorised as 'fallen angels' just because they are different. Does that mean others such as Goths, Moshers, or just simply people who do not have or follow a religion are fallen angels too?
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They are demons in a sense restless souls do to wander the earth to be damned to feed off other life forms. They feed trying bring back some humanity that they have lost..



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I think the first vampires were fallen angels.Andwe,ve just descended from them.I could be wrong.its just my opinion.



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Wow there are a lot of interesting things said so far, fact and opinions.

Well, I do not believe we are related to fallen angels but we are kin to some humans that developed ability to use blood as a sort of magic. Like blood rituals and such. Also we need to remember humans were very different back then, we were a lot more powerful and they believed in supernatural things more and in the power of magic. Truly believing makes things possible.



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Fallen Angels, I don't think so. Some lost souls among us most definitely.



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some probably are fallen angels. if u really think about it, the fact that vampires need to feed off of others shouldnt really be an issue. animals do it to survive, why shouldnt vampires.



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So where in the historical record is there any scintilla of evidence to support such a proposition?



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darkchyld
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I do not think so.



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I believe we are



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That makes a lot of sense. But what about those of us out there that don't feel any contection and what not? What does that make them?



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Vampires may still feel some twinge of remorse for their victims. Fallen angels would not. There fore, vampires are not fallen angels.



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i alos dont think that vampires are fallen angels.



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Ugh, to be forever shut off from the light of God. I subscribe to the concept that vampires are a separate species of entity and that fallen angels are just that - angels that formerly enjoyed the warmth of God's grace and now embrace only darkness.

Interesting thought, though...



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True, it is a rather interesting theory, but no real evidence to back it up.



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I don't think Fallen angels are vampires, but I'm no vampire so I wouldn't know.



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Angels are of another species. They don't become us, we don't become them. Vampires are totally different than angels.



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I suppose it makes sense for us to be. Some part of us may be from something higher than just humanity. But I don't believe we are fallen angels, perhaps descended from them though.



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I dont think persay that vampires are fallen angels but i do belive there is some biblical aspects to Vampireism....Some say that in the translations of the christan bible speak of vampires and "Cursed" people who will walk the earth until the end times because of bareing teh mark of god



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Since I don't exactly believe in angels I would have to say no. I believe that vampirism is a disease and nothing mystical.


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My personal opinion is that a vamp is a different class of angel and has not fallen but is just looked upon with a different light. Perhaps the same thing just for a different purpose. A minister and a rabi have the same role in their religions and cultures yet are not the same...



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I'm really not sure, Vampires could be fallen angels or they could be souls of the damned that were never able to reach hell and possessed a human host..

depends on your beliefs



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i do not think vampires are fallen angel



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In a word....no.


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That is a tricky question. Fallen Angels? Maybe but I don't think so.



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