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Does anyone have any ideas about what the holy grail could be, and what place it could be? just looking for opinions on the subject? do you think the da vinci code movie was fiction are based on real facts?

I've heard that the Grail is being guarded somewhere by descendants of the Nanteos family (if I remember correctly). Prayer cloths annointed in water contained within the Grail are available and sent out to people in need of divine help, as it's said that these cloths have the power to perform miracle healing, etc.

Of course, I have no way of knowing these things for sure, it is simply information I've come across in my own studies of the Holy Grail. You may find these links to be of interest:

www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk

www.peterscothernministries.com

I think the movie was not real, but the holy grail is.

The movie wasn't even based on the book. ;-)

Though seriously the concept of the sang real is there even longer than the arthurian tales.
The main problem seems that it's not easy to trace Joseph of Arimathea ...

Personally I think its a myth, and no the book was not based on fact.

The Grail is held by the St Clair family...

The book is a work of fiction based off a book of fiction...

I do believe that the Grail is real. I have read numerous studies on it and none of them seem to agree so I believe that it is all a matter of a person's personal perspective.

As for the movie..good work of fiction but that is about it.

i understand the grail to be real however the location of said item is supposed to be in the middel east in a place called the well of souls as far as the movie goes i think there is few real facts the outher himself said his work was fiction and should be treated as such

I really beleve the Da'Vinci Coad. Something is going on with that aspect..Why would the Pope and the Vadican raise such and uproar and Bann the Movie in England if what the Movie portrayed was not correct Or didn't hold some type of Truth..If you look at the Painting of the last supper you would see Mary Magdiline the Harlet as the only women there..And there where 11 Men and one woman. And in the bible there are quite a few years missing from the time the boy was a child to when He died on the Cross. What isn't to say that the body of Marie Magdeline isn't the Holy Grail..And what is to say that Jesus didn't marrie her..He was a Human just like any other walking this earth.. We know He didn't Sin..But what is to say He didn't Marrie and have Children..And if so That would explain why Mary Magdiline was always following Them..

The reason the Pope and the Vatican bitched, is their Jesus was supposed to be virginal and holy...the Da Vinci Code says he had sex and married a whore...who in turn had his child and the Grail was supposed to be the child.

magdelien was not a whore - that was just the vatican rewriting history to demean the female influence within the gospels.

I don't think anyone knows the real truth behind the "holy grail". There is different versions of the story on what exactly the holy grail is.

As far as the Da Vinci Code goes...... Even Dan Brown has stated that his book was based on fiction and it wasn't real. Hmmmmm, now there's a concept.

I agree with darkwolfman, the Dan Brown book is fiction, so is the bible. Just a personal opionion!

I think that the Holy Grail as a quest, is a search for perfection. As the years went on it's true meaning became lost. The quest for the Holy Grail would cause an intense spiritual evolution via mass experience. Both physical and emotional. Often taking the lives of those whom would quest after the Grail. The true search would be to find oneself, and to grow wise and strong of spirit and heart.

As for the book, it is interesting, as lot of real life facts. But still a work of fiction.

da vinci also painted a woman called Mona Lisa, I wonder if she was Mary Magdeline, because the portrait of this women is a complete mystrery like the holy grail. The holy grail, I think was the cup what Jesus drank from in the last supper, because one of his deciples had collected some blood from Jesus, as he was on the cross and the deciple has hidden the cup with a bit of Jesus blood inside.

isn't the holy grail god's wife?

It never runs over, and it has no inside or outside, so it solves the problem of separateness.

which is a cup within a cup. It is fractal, you can zoom in forever and always see the same thing

Look to Orion..

Nonsense. If there was a 'grail' (and by grail, I mean cup because there is absolutely no reason to believe it means anything but that) the intervening 2000 years of chaos and turmoil has likely destroyed it, and even if it was found, there is no way of knowing that it is the real one.

The Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction. It is not based on facts. Most of the 'facts' used in the book are admittedly speculation with no basis in truth. The person in the painting is a young man with long hair. Look at Da Vinci's other paintings. Many of his works involve similar looking young men, as this was the style at the time.

And Mary Magdalene was a whore. Read the Bible before you comment on it. Her village was going to stone her to death for her activities, but Jesus intervened saying "Let he who is without sin, throw the first stone." After this she became his disciple. She was not the only female disciple he had. To say that she 'followed him around' only because she was screwing him is far more demeaning to her than the idea that she had an honest epiphany and decided to change her life for the better.

You may not want to believe the Bible, but if you are going to talk about it, do your own research instead of basing your believes on some other idiot's jacked up claims.

Mary Magdalene was not a whore... she was not the woman caught in adultery... Magdalene means Tower and reflects her noble status... she was independently wealthy and one of Jesus' entourage... Jesus was a rabbi... the Pentateuch confirms that a rabbi must be married... so it is likely Jesus was married... it would have been a matter of comment were he not... and since there is no comment he must have been married... the Grail story is an encoded travelling code that allowed troubadours to pass messages on to those with eyes to see without arousing suspicion... most fairy tales have this allegorical purpose...

Oceanne's theories are interesting but it is unlikely that genetic engineering was uppermost in the minds of the Templars (the originators of the Grail legends)...

Uzziel, what exactly are you basing this on, aside from your own firm convictions? The Bible is the main source for historical information on this era. Jesus was not a rabbi confirmed by the Jewish church. He was called rabbi by his disciples because rabbi means teacher. Every instance of Mary Magdalene's appearance in the Bible confirms her as the woman from that story. There is absolutely no reason to believe otherwise.

In fact, Jesus was known to spend time with those of lower moral standards, in order to convert them. He states that those who are already 'good' (or what have you) are not in need of him. So what source are you using to provide these 'facts' about Mary Magdalene?

I think the da vinci code was based on both. As far as where and what it could be...who knows. It could be anything...it could be nothing at all. Possibly even a new awareness of ourselves that we never thought could be possible.

I agree Rouge..that is why I am putting a different train of thought out there...
Just stuff to think about..

I think that stories of the grail began when stories of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table began. There is a story of some of the nights being sent on a quest for the grail and I think a couple of them found it. There is and probably will not ever be proof of the existance of King Arthur or his Knights or the grail.

I meant it could be anything...thats what I agree with.

As far as this story starting with the knights of the round table..No...
I have read many accounts of this reaching as far back as the very tale of the Nephilim..it all ties in, and is in fact just another component of the same ongoing tale..

It is believed by many that the holy grail is not a object but a person. In Leonardo da Vinci's original art work of the last supper the cup believed to be the grail was not present, instead their was a women behind Jesus that is credited as being Mary Magdalene. Many believe she is the grail.

Yes Rayden that is right..ok now,take that further..WHY is woman considered the grail?

Who knows...maybe it is a person...maybe it was but they died...maybe it is a cup...but it is a myth...who knows if we will ever truely know.
there was once a man in france who thought/pretended to be related to jesus though. Dont remember when though.

I have to agree with alot of what Oceanne has to say . But I recently saw something on the history channel about this , with the theory of a child by Jesus and Mary Magdolyn . But if this is Truth or Myth we will never know for if its hidden its hidden good . And only when Christ comes back only then we will know for sure.

She was a loved one of Jesus was she not? If i recall correctly in a book i read she was written as his 'wife'. The grail is said to grant immortality. Perhaps Mary is the key to it and/or has it.

Mary Magdalene was a disciple of Christ. She is only referred to as his wife in modern day books of fiction and baseless speculation. Any 'grail', holy or otherwise most likely has nothing whatsoever to do with her, personally.

Oceanne, could you possible explain your viewpoint more thoroughly? I'm not sure I understand entirely, but I find it interesting.

It was said before and I have to agree. The grail isn't necessarily a thing or a person. It's an ideal, a goal to obtain. It's finding the morality, belief and faith in oneself and possibly a higher power. It was never the grail itself that brought holiness, it was the quest. The act of being selfless and to believe even in what we cannot see.

As far as Dan Brown's book. Yes it's fiction, based on some very solid speculations and some hard core facts. It is a theory though and one that can never be truly proven. Unless by some miracle the catholic church opens up their secret libraries to the public. Even then, how much documentation can be taken as the whole truth? We are talking about a time when history was recorded to suit the winning party. And in Jesus' time, the Romans were winning.

The catholic church banned the Da Vinci Code because it seems to be a direct attack on them. It challenges their ideals and laws directly and goes against everything they teach. It also makes people think. God forbid!

I believe that christian church has changed the past to influence the future. I think that Jesus and Mary Magdalene did in fact have a child. I beleive this because when he was in the ""cross"" he mentions to a child mind your mother...and then turns to Magdalene and says mind your son. Now why would Jesus speak those words to a child that was not his own. I also beleive that the lack of faith of Jewish leaders of that time was incredible. This was a man that was of the Dividian line and was creating great things before them. They where waiting for the coming of the mesiah. One more thing remember that God picked a prustitude to be the matriarch of the Davidian line the line that joseph and mary the parents of Jesus on earth where both part of.

Not to be rude, but if you had actually read that section of the Bible, you would know that Jesus is speaking to his disciple John, and his own mother Mary. He is saying that John should treat Mary as though she were his own mother, and that Mary should think of John as her son.

Please, please, everyone the bible is a book just like any other. If you are going to talk about it, read it first, or at least read the part you're going to be talking about. It saves a whole lot of confusion and correction later on.

I believe the grail isn't an object, but a line of descendants from Mary Magdalene and Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus was an amazing foresighted man who was ahead of his time. Not a god...

I have believed this long before any da Vinci code however I did read a book I can't remember the whole title called blood and roses I think. This was after I made my own decision on things. And I have read the bible several times coming from a catholic background, not that I can remember much of it now.

This is just a personal belief, I also believe the bible is doctored and edited to suit what men at the time wanted it to say. The true gospels are lost or locked in the vaults of the Vatican. Again this is just my personal opinion, some of the movie and book were taken from some facts, but not all. Which sadly ruins the truth in my opinion.

Thanks everyone, this information is very intresting up to now.

Your correction is only needed when you are speaking with someone that has not religious training. As an ordained minister that went to school for it. I can speak on the subject Maam. Further more you as a female should be happy that there is standing for the hollyness of the female instead of trying to put her down. This is not 1950 anymore the womens movement happened already.

at the risk of upsetting some people here.the grail legend is an analogue of the sacrament of the eucharist.the body and blood of christ in the mass of the church where people consume the body of christ.wow think how vampish that is.people might as well belive in conan the barbarian as well as the da vinci code.

Romanov, I believe that religious training does not give one permission to misquote the bible. Perhaps you should bone up on your studies.

And part of the women's movement involves women not being out on a pedestal either. There are plenty of 'sinners' in the bible, and no reason to think that Mary Magdalene was not one of them. I also think that there is no shame in coming to a sudden realization about your life, and dedicating the rest of it to goodness and an ideal that you believe in.

Mary Magdalene is a perfect portrayal of hope, renewal, and forgiveness in the bible, and I have every respect for her as she is without needing to sugar-coat her past. I also believe that if she has anything to do with a Holy Grail, it is in the context of those who believe that the Grail is the quest for goodness and personal perfection, which she surely is on.

On that note, I like the idea that the Grail is not an object, but an ideal. The reason the Grail can never be found is that the ideal can never be reached. No one can ever be perfect, but the point is to try and strive with all your might towards that perfection.

Im sorry there is no historical jesus so how can you have a grail?
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
watch this its interesting

I am not sure if it is real but i believe that an army that holds the holy grail is invincable. It is believed that Hitler searched for it during WW2 so a lot of ppl believe in the mith.

Hitler used beliefs in everything to his advantage, his swastika was a very religious sign of pace … doesn’t mean that religion was real it is the fact people believe is the true power he wished to control.
The grail is impossible as JC never was.
Hitler also based the SS on knights of the round table … guess what it is also a story with no truth.

lavisbre, as strong as your convictions are, it's considered a bit rude to outright deny someone else's religion or beliefs. Furthermore, there is historical evidence of a person known as Jesus living at that time who was crucified by the Romans. Whether he was the son of god is left up to debate, but Jesus was certainly a real person.

You seem to disbelieve in the Grail as a physical object, but what do you think of it's existence as an ideal, an analogy, or a symbol of the blood right of human kind, as has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread (if I am understanding it right).

I'm rather fond of the theory that the grail is the living descendant(s) of the man we know as Jesus Christ.

When two shall be one and the without as the within, and the male with the female, neither male nor female..

Im sorry,but if the grail where simply a cup,made by the hands of men,then as far as I am concerned,it would just be another relic on the list of many.
What I am suggesting,is that the grail is not anything manmade,nor,is it here on Earth,but is a metaphor for a place in the universe where energies and the physical come together to create life.

I also feel that in order to really get an idea of what it really might be,we have to take into account ,not just every word that one story might offer,but perhaps a little of what every story has.
Man flatters himself enough as it is.With that being said,I guess I can see where we would take something that is supposed to be Holy(of the creative energy) and turn it into something crafted by man. A cup is a cup..nothing holy about it.
A cup like place in the universe? Now if anything,I would consider that of a holy nature..just to stick to the term.

The original post asked for any ideas on what the grail could be.. As far out as it might seem,I thought the purpose of that was so we could freely present plausible explainations which would lead to a discussion of said ideas.I have and I am ready to back it up.
I have become discouraged however,as I have yet to see anything but dispute and opinion.Can we change that?
You know,like maybe talk about the whys or hows of why an idea could or couldnt be?And not keep going down that same old tired road of this "is written,that isnt true..this book is fact,your book is shit." It leads to nothing . Cuz fact is,we dont know what is true or not.Whether Mary was a whore,or whether she wasnt.
But we could certainly discuss WHY she could or couldnt be..Get my point?

Uzziel,I am not just presenting genetic engineering here..
But even if I were,let me ask,if one creator made us..how would he have gone about it? Just think it up and poof! here we are? I personally do not feel the universe works that way.But if you have any suggestions that it might,Im willing to listen.
One minute in Planck time,is not the same as spacetime or planetary timeline...What is said as seven days to us,could easily be 7 million years in universal timescale.
What we are,centers around DNA and energy..and the combination of them.Even for a supreme being,surely there has to be some sort of process..
And if this is the case,a God is not going to be using any little golden cup from here.
Think of it this way..a witch uses a caldron..cooks use pots..to what? Mix and Create.
Whats to say an ultimate being would not do the same?

In legend there were two sacred cups: The Holy Grail and the Chalice. Chalice was often used as if it were synonymous with the Precious Blood itself. "The chalice of benediction, which we bless", writes St. Paul, "is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 10:16)… One legend of many concerning the Grail is that Joseph used the Grail to catch Christ's blood. I believe both to be legends and part of Christian mythology. As for the Da Vinci Code I believe it to be a work of mythology and not based on any facts. The theory were too implies that Mary Magdalene was the Holy Grail. I can how ever see where the Catholic Church would rush to disprove this theory because it places the bible in question.

Although I really enjoyed the Da Vinci Code with all its myths and ideas, I doubt much of it should be considered other than pure fiction. As Sevenn stated, there is no evidence that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene or that the Holy Grail would be anything else but the cup Jesus drank from. If you ask me, that's the truth I believe in...
Though yes, the thought of Jesus having descendants is intriguing enough to research about... But again, I highly doubt it.

...I'm not saying I don't have an open mind about this, I would gladly discuss any suggestions as to the meaning of the holy grail...
As I always say, everything is possible and you can never know for sure what's true and what's not.
I believe that the holy grail was a cup simply because I haven't come across any other theories which make more sense.

Oceanne made an interesting point though, why all the fuss about the Holy Grail if it was nothing but a cup? They might as well have made the plate Jesus ate from holy... Wouldn't that have been the same thing?

I also like the suggestion about the Holy Grail being a metaphor for energies which create life...
It certainly makes things more interesting.

@ Adora,
I completely agree with your statement about believing because it seems to be the best (or best documented) theory available. I have no idea what the eternal mysteries of the universe are, and I am not approaching this question from any position involving faith. Therefore, I don't mean to imply that I am absolutely sure I am right about these things, only that they are the conclusions I draw based on how I see things: and that truthfully, I personally don't apply faith to these matters so I most likely can't/won't go much further in my opinions without some sort of catalyst to radically change my mind.

**Athenarose**Mary Magdalene the Harlet wasn't a harlot at all. Mary Magdalene is often referred to as a prostitute, but she was never called one in the New Testament. In fact it was Pope Gregory who assumes that she was based upon anicdotal theory, flawed but none the less theory. It was because Migdal was a fishing town known, or so the legend goes, for its perhaps punning connection to hairdressers (medgaddlela) and women of questionable reputation. This is as close as we get to any clear evidence that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, as observed by Jeffrey Kripal.

DarkWolfman is right it was because the church was upset of the theory that Jesus was not celebate and sired a child.

Additionally, a man by the name of Plantard concocted the Priory of Sion to make himself something when he was really a nobody. That was the basis of the Sang Real.

Read this:
http://www.livescience.com/history/050524_davinci_code.html

Hello Oceane

Do you mean that god created the building blocks of life, and it is Gods secret of mother nature, which is the Holy Grail?

If Scientists got there hands on the Holy Grail, they would use Jesus blood, which is inside of the hidden cup, and use his DNA from his blood to find the bloodline of Jesus. So I think the blood and DNA of Jesus is something to with the Holy Grail, because one of his deciples has hiden the cup forever. I think that Mary Magdeline knew about the Holy Grail and kept it secret, and never told anyone, where it was hiden, but she was the founder of Christiantity, because she told the rest of her deciples, to spread the word, that Jesus has risen, it was on a Documentry.

Hey Magic,
I guess if one believes in God ,yes,you could say that.
My suggestion is that perhaps it is a place in the universe where the creation on life is possible,dur to physics and other things.A pot,or cup if you will.
My post to Uzziel was only to show that,the God factor can be included ,or left out in this theory.
Another idea I have been tossing around for disscussion sake,was the Earth itself..This would say that Earth is the vessel..so on and so forth.The cup that holds the life....

And these are simply suggestions..stuff for us to think about..no one has to agree or dissagree.

Hello Oceane
I agree there, you could be right, it could be Mother Earth itself! Einstein tryed to work on a theory called the theory of everything, which could of explained everything in the Universe, including nature and life as we know. If you have time, go on google and type, The Theory of Everything. Einstein also worked on two theories called the special theory of relitivity and general theory of relitivity.

Thank you Magic, yes,I am well aware of Einstein's work..I dont know if you saw my post before,but I have a little thing I like to say..
And God said"E=MC2.". Then there was light.
But in truth,while Einstein was in the ballpark,I do feel that there were some crucial components in his math that were lacking.or..mixed up.There has been a major discovery by someone who reworked E squared,and I alomst passed out at the result.But its there,and it is very real.

Lets look at the Mary theory..The cup is said to be able to grant immortality..Now if we take this in a literal sense,the theory is somewhat blown out because for one,a human woman cannot grant anyone immortaility.
One the other hand,could this reasoning be based on the fact that a woman can perpetuate lineage,therefore keeping a bloodline going.
But then,if this is the case,it goes right back to one thing again..DNA.BLOOD.
Where was this original DNA created? If she was in fact,getting it on with Jesus,and bore a child by him,then this DNA would be passed down,thus springs the idea of the decendant theory.But even so,how does the grail come into play here?Other than the fact that woman represents the spin that is a key component in the creation of life and could in some sense be considered a vessel..
it goes on and on.

ALrighty then.

So I agree at this point with the references provided by Ocean. Alot of valuable things have been said as to the nature of this however there are things missing.

The death and resurrection of jesus, is a basis off of a Taoist rite of rebirth, that establishes the body of the stars, Astral Body. IT is this body which is immortal, can travel the worlds. So knowing that Jesus was a studied Rabi, versed in all forms of the Kaballa and by proxy the meditative form and function of both the tree of life and death. Jesus was one in a long line of mystics, all working off this system, and applying it, trying to show the power that an individual can have.

So yes, Jeshua would have been aware of the connections between the blood and the tree, as the tree is the form for life, and death. So that would make the world as the chalice. The world is where humanity is contained.

Continuing on this thought then it would be that since Jesus was studied in the Cabala when he said follow him to be like god, then he made reasonable claim to follow the teachings that he himself learned and applied. Anything that contained his life, the life of all man kind (the tree of life, the blood of Christ, the DNA) would be the world as a whole. The grail, for blood is life and the world sustains that life.

As above, so below
as below, so above
as within, so without

Thanks for that post Infernal..that lends to the Earth theory

The pentegram had something to do with the Holy Grail, supposed to be symbol of Venus (female) and also the five wounds of Jesus, which is in da vinci painting.

Magic

The pentagram was orignally the symbol for both man and woman, Human kind as a whole.

Hi Adora,even if Im not right? It really doesnt matter..there have been countless who make the same mistake. But I am really glad you see some logic in it. :)

Well, if anything, it definitely makes more sense than the idea of Mary being the Holy Grail. :)

Depends on how you look at it … a paradigm shift if you will.
Like john said imagine a there’s no god ect … logically a woman would be by birth the only way life carries on eternal

Well,Adora,while it does make sense,maybe and maybe not..lets think about this..Shes deff involved,so I think it might be important not to discard her or the story of Christ as a whole..becasue,there are plenty of links there..I really have a feeling that it isnt a matter of just one solid account or another,but a combination of all.Who knows?

Logically Yes, Lavisbre.

The HOly Grail is a challace that was suposenly used to cacth the blood of christ during his cruifixition.

All movies about historical events or items are based on some fact same with science fiction work there is some truth and fact behind it all it just matters what you choose to believe

When it comes to religion no one really knows if anything is true... I hate to say it but things have been skewed from the fist transcription on..... I think that DaVinci was a part of something keeping the Grail safe and I do think that Mary Magdaline is the Grail but it's hard to say if anything is true anymore....

Not unless we could raid the private library of stolen and supressed what they have siezed from their wars and inquisition since the history of recorded time. The vaticans librarian would be the only one who could answer......what i wouldn't give to have an hour in that library and a box to take out all the information that i could...:P but alas, that is one source unless they are overthrown by force the world will never know about.

You are quite right InfernalMage, though in my opinion...

It is in the arcane chamber beneath Stonehenge along with the Arch of the Convenant, the Golden Fleece and Excaliber.

Obviously she must have held some kind of importance, otherwise she wouldn't have been mentioned from the start...
Perhaps she serves as the key to the Holy Grail? Meaning, what if she is the one who could actually lead the way to this energy source...
If that makes any sense at all... lol

the movie was fiction as for what the grail is hell if I know or would even want to have something like that found it would screw up a lot of peoples belifes to say the least

Could be Adora..or something to that effect.
But Shadowmancerslady has told us what it is,so that blows our little idea out of the bucket.And SS told us where it is so...
My cue to get out of this conversation I guess.I was going to get magic to run some numbers for me too.damn
So much for the mystery of what it is.
Fun to think about it though. :)

Shadow... About the Holy Grail being a challace to catch christ's blood, what's the source of information? I've always heard the version that it's the cup he drank from...

I've heard that before too Adora.
Dont know the original source, however Ive seen it ever so often on the internet and stuff..

Very complicated story, but Magdeline was a whore.. Read the bible!

Im sure theres more than a few people here who have read the Bible thanks.
I take it you have never known anyone who was in fact not a whore?.. But was pinned as one? It happens you know.
And back then,any woman who even looked at a man,was considered a whore...

I dont know NFA..seems to me like that one could still be open to debate.

It's an interesting idea... I'd like to know more about it. :)


And why do you consider her to be a whore? I must agree with Oceanne, during those days women could be called whores for the most petty things which to me makes it reasonable to think that she was anything but a whore...

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“Grail” redirects here. For other uses, see Grail (disambiguation).
For historical artifacts associated with the cup of the Last Supper, see Holy Chalice.
According to Christian mythology and Arthurian legend the Holy Grail was the dish, plate, or cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper, said to possess miraculous powers. The connection of Joseph of Arimathea with the Grail legend dates from Robert de Boron's Joseph d'Arimathie (late 12th century) in which Joseph receives the Grail from an apparition of Jesus and sends it with his followers to Great Britain; building upon this theme, later writers recounted how Joseph used the Grail to catch Christ's blood while interring him and that in Britain he founded a line of guardians to keep it safe. The quest for the Holy Grail makes up an important segment of the Arthurian cycle, appearing first in works by Chrétien de Troyes.[1] The legend may combine Christian lore with a Celtic myth of a cauldron endowed with special powers.

The development of the Grail legend has been traced in detail by cultural historians: It is a legend which first came together in the form of written romances, deriving perhaps from some pre-Christian folklore hints, in the later 12th and early 13th centuries. The early Grail romances centered on Percival and were woven into the more general Arthurian fabric.

Some of the Grail legend is interwoven with legends of the Holy Chalice.

Belief in the Grail and interest in its potential whereabouts has never ceased. Ownership has been attributed to various groups (including the Knights Templar, probably because they were at the peak of their influence around the time that Grail stories started circulating in the 12th and 13th centuries).

There are cups claimed to be the Grail in several churches, for instance the Saint Mary of Valencia Cathedral, which contains an artifact, the Holy Chalice, supposedly taken by Saint Peter to Rome in the first century, and then to Huesca in Spain by Saint Lawrence in the 3rd century. Archaeologists say the artifact is a 1st century Middle Eastern stone vessel, possibly from Antioch, Syria (now Turkey); its history can be traced to the 11th century, and it presently rests atop an ornate stem and base, made in the Medieval era of alabaster, gold, and gemstones. It was the official papal chalice for many popes, and has been used by many others, most recently by Pope Benedict XVI, on July 9, 2006.[5] The emerald chalice at Genoa, which was obtained during the Crusades at Caesarea Maritima at great cost, has been less championed as the Holy Grail since an accident on the road, while it was being returned from Paris after the fall of Napoleon, revealed that the emerald was green glass.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail

Holy Grail" and sang rial means "royal blood"

Here are several accounts..
http://www.crystalinks.com/holygrail.html

i always felt like the holy grail was real. i have never done any of my own studying on the topic but i am a firm believer in those kinds of things. i believe anything is possible. as far as the divinci code. makes more sense than i would like for it too. it is based on historical facts, but the actual story is fiction.

thats the problem i think we are having. sorting the facts from the fiction they are mixed in with. anything is possible.

A bit of work with the dictionary turned up my belief that the Holy Grail was probably the plate from which Jesus ate, or perhaps the whole dinner set.

Sangraal
[Origin: 1400–50; late ME sangrayle, seynt Graal, < OF Saint Graal]

Grail
[Middle English greal, from Old French graal, from Medieval Latin gradālis, or 'flat dish'.]

Since the Knights Templar would most likely be communicating and certainly writing in Latin, it seems reasonable to say that the evolution of the word through to English is based on that Latin root of 'gradālis'.

This word quite possibly could have held itself in proper form, from Roman Latin a Thousand years earlier.

Some stuff here you might want to read too..
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/282/5389/740

I think there likely is a holy grail but as far as where it could be who knows there have been so many people looking for it that you think it would have turned up by now. As far as the divinci code goes I think it makes more sense then a lot of the stuff that is being taught now a days even if the movie and book are fictitious I do believe that there are real facts in there and many movies are using real facts I think just to get the idea out there so when the truth is discovered no one is really surprised by it.

Anyone here heard of graphene?

on the Mary Magdalene side of things... i personally believe she had one of jesus' babies. but they wouldn't write about that. and if they did write about it, it's missing now. the bible isn't complete. and it wasn't written to document jesus' life, it was written to glorify it. which says a lot right there.

Here then BL..some more on that end..also,look at the link I prvoded aboue to crystallinks..
http://www.lumen.org/intros/intro51.html

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