666... almost everyone is familiar with this number, but what really does it mean? are we familiar with his significance? and the importance that this number could have in our lives? i came up with this thread because i saw a documentary today, and i saw lots of divergences around it significance... first of all, i would like to say that i'm not a religious guy, i like studying the bible and i do not belong to any religion... so, this is not a religious thread, it's more a escathological thread...
continuing, here is the verse in the bible:
Apocalypse "13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six."
now, there are some people saying that those prophecies where for those times, and that they does not predict the future...
well, making the terminology of those numbers we can find Nero Caesars, but he was already dead when John wrote the book of revelation, suspicious? i don't think so, the name of Nero can be found by making the terminology with the hebrew alphabet, the hebrew alphabet does not have numbers, the letters correspond to numbers and the book of revelation was written in greek, not hebrew...
now, if God does exist and is showing us the future, there is a great significance to us in those verses, they say that no one will be able to buy or sell anything at all without the mark of the beast... this is an economy system control, and in those ancient days it was impossible to fulfilled such prophecy...
but, we are living days that is now possible to fulfill that prophecy, a system to control humans in those manners is already invented... take the example of products, the number 666 makes part of the code bar system for the products in all Europe and America and lots of other countries, recently was invented a microchip that can be placed under the skin and does not need any maintenance, and has lots of purposes, such as satellite information of were you can be found, medical information and money infos and transactions, plus other things... now, i'm not saying that the ones who already have that microchip, have taken the mark of the beast, i am saying that the system is already invented, and in a few more years, living money will be seen as a unnecessary thing... control humans as if they where products is now possible...
What do you think of all that stuff?
coincidence, conspiracy or a glimpse that the bible prophecy is now able to be fulfilled?
666 is a mistranslation. There were a bunch of discussions on the topic when 6/6/06 came around last year. It's the number of the sun; the reason Crowley used it. There's no significance to it otherwise. Personally, I take Pat Condell's view on the topic of Revelations. It was most likely the result of a bad trip from the psilocybin mushrooms that are notoriously abundant on the island on which the book was wrote in the first place.
the rise and fall of many kingdoms were prophesied in the old testement, specifically Daniel. Persia, Greece, Rome etc all there and all previously mentioned before they were kingdoms. This one however is problematic in that you have those who say that these things have already passed and those who say they are yet to come. There are valid points to both. The problem with future predictions and being able to pin it to a time is very difficult and has you jumping at ghosts or every bump in the night. I am not saying they are past or future. I do know that many similarities exist to the current event, but can equally be attributted to those times in which they were written.
but it never existed in anytime but ours, products being marked with a code, "and only by chance" that code as 666 in it... what about this?
from the researches I did over the years, the number 6 itself meant imperfect, so 3 times 6 means 3 times imperfect, simple as that.
La6Muerte66...
that made me laugh... ^^
you can believe in anything, but saying it was hallucinations from the mushrooms... lol
have you ever consumed drugs, i did... and believe me, if the book was inspired in hallucinations... i must say that those mushrooms are the best of the bests...
i wonder why, no one gives a damn to hallucinogenics mushrooms?
i am surprised at myself for even responding to this. I hate that number. I was raised in the church so of course i believe and even tho i am not there now and prob never will be again that what the bible says will come to pass. it is a warning of what will be. Its not the social security cards . I have heard of a chip that they put in you hand and it scans kind of like when they scan groceries at a store. i have heard of other stuff too all i knw is that it will come to pass as far as i believs.
I was watching a show about the number 666 and they were saying that at one time they thought it was 666 but if dreams are upside down and backwards the number could have been 999 but there has been talk that it is not either of those numbers at all. What they are saying is that the numbers were actually a series of 1's and 0's being like 010101 which is binary code which would make sense the beast being the governments of the world and their idea to put micro chips under the skin of the left hand or the head. This being the mark of the beast binary code make sense because that is what the micro chips are programed with. So it is a matter of looking at the time that the book of revelations was talking about back when it was written the men who did it would not have any idea what it really meant but by todays technology it makes perfect sense.
First off Revelations is metaphoric. It is not really meant to be taken literaly.
Many biblical scholars believed that the Roman Empire was most likely the society that was being referred to and the Anti-Christ was to be a Roman Emperor.
I have heard many interpretations of the "666". The people who did the translations of the bible from it's original languages were theologians and/or linguists. In this particular area, perhaps a mathematician would have been more approprite. Recent reviews of the original text (which I can't recall if it was Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic) suggest that the "number of the beast" is actually 6 to the 6th power, to the 6th power, or 10314424798490535546171949056.
666 is just simple propoganda from the christians to keep their flock on track. That is how i see on it.
666 is just a number, people make it out to be bad because of what they hear, but personally it is just a number to me...
hey does any one look at the things we buy at the stores.. think about the scanning system the bar code and your ss card number..
666 was also the roman numerals Nero had on his coins within the roman kingdom. As he was a tyrant, this number bared significance to the christians of that era...I have no doubt they considered Nero to be the devil himself. It was simply a manner for the community to speak again Nero without his knowledge.
But again, the bible is misdiagnosed. It was never ment as 666. It was presented as a mathematical sequence. Depicting the name of the Antichrist, but again, this was never confirmed. These numbers were merely set into the bible as a calculation. Which is not 666...6 6 threescore and 6...Which would probably make it...6666? or 66666? I am sure 777 would be another mystical number as well.
I agree with "First off Revelations is metaphoric. It is not really meant to be taken literaly."
The whole book is like that...
666 is made way to much of.
I view it as many take it as symbology for "the beast" and leave it at that, much like the spiral means life to me.
So the bible says you won't be able to purchase anything without the mark of the beast, well I think it's already here.. CREDIT CARDS! They are the mark. And who is the beast you ask? Well it's those darned people who call you nonestop when your payment is late.. them or George Bush...
laughs when I think that there's not been a president yet that I've not heard someone call "the Beast".
That's why the bible is entirely metamorphic. Any situation can be applied to it if one wishes to substitue terminology.
It seems as though it was made to be a "one size fits all" instruction booklet for the paranoid and the unthinking.
~ Wolf
"And he causeth all, to receive a mark...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark."
This can all be summed up in something that is right around the corner...that is if'n you kiddies have been paying attention to society and technology. The wave of the future or the coming of the apocalypse can be sumed up in four letters...RFID.
Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is an automatic identification method, relying on storing and remotely retrieving data using devices called RFID tags or transponders.
An RFID tag is an object that can be applied to or incorporated into a product, animal, or person (did it just say person?) for the purpose of identification using radiowaves. Some tags can be read from several meters away and beyond the line of sight of the reader.
RFID tags are included in new passports, beginning in 2006. The chips will store the same information that is printed within the passport and will also include a digital picture of the owner. The passports will incorporate a thin metal lining to make it more difficult for unauthorized readers to "skim" information when the passport is closed.
Implantable RFID chips designed for animal tagging are now being used in humans. An early experiment with RFID implants was conducted by British professor of cybernetics Kevin Warwick, who implanted a chip in his arm in 1998. Night clubs in Barcelona, Spain and in Rotterdam, The Netherlands, use an implantable chip to identify their VIP customers, who in turn use it to pay for drinks.
In 2004, the Mexican Attorney General's office implanted 18 of its staff members with the Verichip to control access to a secure data room.


Coincidence? You tell me.
i must disagree with you, i also have study the bible for 10 years or more and i have found lost of proof, that there is lost of things going on today described in that book... but the main subject here is the verses about the 666 number... i don't even comment about the mistranslation of the bible, cause that's nonsense... such statements are unfunded with a truth... for anyone to proof me that the bible as significant mistranslations, he as to be a great linguist, archaeologist, theologian and whatsoever... if there where important mistranslations in the bible it would have been discovered long time ago... so, forget the mistranslations...
this is the verse in the American Standard Version (1901) Revelations 13:18 "Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six."
666 is the number of the beast, and this thread is not about of what do you think of the bible, but what do you think about the system that is already invented, has the 666 in it and is relation with the bible... hell of a coincidence, no?
Once again, the bible is a history book which was written before the time of the now...Revelations was simply to recognize Nero as a tryant. Nothing more...Societies read too much into the history as future prediction, when in the course of human events it becomes relevant that the number was significant only throughout Nero's time...But misinterpreted as zionists of the now deem nessessary...My two cents.
Old testament and new testaments...Are just that...Testaments of what had happened, not what are to come...Gahhh!!!
if that was about Nero... why the effort?
he was already dead by the time that John wrote the book... and the bible is not just an history book, you have many different kinds of literature in the bible, not just history... and prophecies are one of them... you guys can argue whatever you want, but we have already facts that come explicit in the bible, and they could not know about those things in the time they wrote that... want an example? Israel's restoration as a state... at the times this prophecy was written, they didn't even know that Israel would stop being a state for 2000 years...
A long time ago I read all of the "Left Behind" books. That gave an interesting take on the whole thing.
666, the number of the Anti Christ supposedly dies and is resurrected, with Satan in the body...
The mark of the beast is, I think, supposed to show that they are following the AntiChrist rather than "Jesus", even if they don't realize the decision their making.
Anyone who carries the mark supposedly is damned from the time they get it.
Excuse me, typo-
*"666 is the number of the Anti Christ. The AntiChrist supposedly dies and is resurrected, with Satan in the body..."
Left Behind series are interesting and have some things inspired in the bible, but are fictional... the authors know and assume that...
and that is correct, the beast and the anti-christ are the same, satan himself is going to literally control a man, the anti-christ...
know here's a prophecy related to this, and when we see it happening, we will know that the bible is the reveled word of God, to us, mortals... the restoration of the temple of king Solomon for the 3rd time, the one who enters in temple and claim that he is god, that one is the anti-christ... one more thing, as soon as the temple is completed, Armageddon will be very near...
It might be important, to read the whole paragraph if you're going to use it
He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast etc etc
It does suggest that there is something buried in there that needs understanding, a special knowledge to be able to use the information that follows.
If it was a simple as look for the number 666 and that's your guy - you wouldn't need the He that hath understanding part
artemka... exactly... we must read between the lines... it needs understanding to reach the all thing
The number 666 has been around for a very long time for my understanding the real sign as they call it is really 999 turned upside down not 666 even though most people dont know that.
While it's apparent that the Left Behind series are fictional, you can still take from them and look at the idea its putting out there, you get me? =]
It was written by a Christian, its actually his views, if I'm not mistaken?
I don't put much faith into what the bible says, as it isn't the actual words of God himself, just an interpretation of it and it's been altered many, many times over such a long period of time. There is a class at one of the colleges in central Arkansas called Apocolyptic Thought and Theory and the professor had a theory that the ID chips that they're wanting to put into children when they're born is the new mark of the beast. It's suposed too go just under the skin of the webbing on the left hand between the pointer finger and thumb.
I think that's a pretty good theory.
it could very well be metaphorical. 666 could be 6+6+6=18. 18 is the age a person is a legal adult. Before that age, there are many things you can't buy, sell, or do without being an adult. Maybe the evil is the feeling of inevitabley becoming the adult that you most fear. Actually...now that I think about it...that doesn't make any sense. But it should fit into some of the interesting theories already posted here. :-)
Nonsense.
It is literally translated as six hundreds, sixty and six.
I dont believe all the rumors about 66 i believe its just a number and the meaning has been blown way out of context
I think the age at which youngsters were considered adult was 13 in those days not 18.
Harlequin, that is a really neat point but it depends on the country that you live in
There was a great argument on a previous thread that bits of parchment have revealed that 'the number' quoted in the King James bible is wrong - and the original number was diferent
i can not paste into this thread the entire site, but for those who are interested in knowing more about the upc bar code system, i post it here the link of how the code works and if there is the 666 in it...


Nine or ten years ago, in the first issue of the thoroughly rough-as-guts underground magazine Eternal Damnation appeared an article by Angramain’Yo, of the Swedish Black Metal group Azubham Hanni, discussing briefly the meaning of the number 666 – proclaimed by St. John in Revelations as the ‘Number of the Beast’. While heading in the right direction, it could be greatly expanded on and taken a bit further.
Angramain’Yo points out many of the numerical synchronicities occurring within the 666: that adding all the numbers from 1 to 36 equals 666, 36 being of course 6 multiplied by 6. 66 itself is the sum of the numbers from 1 to 11, 11 being of significance as ‘Crowley mentions it is the number of all magick’. Further, Angramain’yo mentions 666 is the sum of the Greek letters in ‘To Mega Therion’ – The Great Beast, Crowley’s infamous voluntary appellation.
Continuing on we read the tentative interpretation of the 3 sixes in 666 as being as equilibrium; Angramain’Yo states “…… the two 6’s multiplied to 36 being equilibrated, resulting in the middle 6, thus 666.” The balancing, or function of equilibrium, the very character of the 3 just brought to our attention, is augmented by the fact that 6, 36, 66 and 666 are all triangular numbers, in a similar fashion to 4, 9, 16, 25 being known as square numbers.
The final piece of information we are given is that “……. The figure 6, which totally dominates the number 666, is also the number of the macrocosm, represented by the hexagram.” Of course the 6-pointed hexagram is not the only symbol of the macrocosmic created universe without, the 6 faced cube, the 2nd Platonic solid, is likewise a symbol of the existent 3-dimensional space surrounding us, designating as it does the 6 directions used to define our relative position in the macrocosmic world; up, down, left, right, forward, backward. This ‘greater world’, the macrocosm, without us that we operate within, has as a rather conspicuous constituent the element of carbon, seemingly ever-present in about everything we look at, so much so, the world as we know it has been referred to as a ‘carbon based world’. A quick glance at a periodic table of elements reveals carbon has 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. Further emphasis in this direction is that by stacking 33 (which Peter Moon proclaims is ‘a master number in numerology …… ‘ though why-for, you’d best figure it out for yourself) tetrahedrons – the 1st Platonic solid, consisting of 4 sides being equilateral triangles – face to face, a helix is created. By then splicing this helix of tetrahedrons in half, imitating the double-helix of the DNA spiral, a total of 66.6 faces is given. An interesting aside, though by no means the whole box and dice.
The hexagram, scribed as 2 overlapping or interlocking triangles, symbolises a couple of other things as well as the above – bringing to mind a recently deceased Alchemist informing us that some, if not all, of the sculptures in stone carved into the very fabric of the great medieval cathedrals contain 7 levels of meaning….. worthwhile remembering. Firstly, the 2 triangles of the hexagram are the uniting of the esoteric forces, symbolised by the upward pointing triangle, and the exoteric forces – the downward pointing triangle. This unity of the eso- and the exo-teric forces is the ideal aspired to by such figures as the Pharaoh and the Fisher-King, extending into the modern era in the office of the Dalai Lama, both a leader in a Priestly guise and at a secular level. Those who attain such unity of realms said to more or less ‘gaze through the upper windows while keeping their feet on the ground’.
This ‘union of opposites’ within the hexagram is also sexually implicit; the upward pointing triangle being the lingam/phallus, the other triangle, the yoni/cunt(referred to somewhat more poetically as the ‘Delta of Venus’ – for obvious reasons……), the Tantric – Sex Magic – union of which is the attainment of the enlightened state, known otherwise generally in the West as ‘Initiation’ and in the east among others,’Nirvana’. This the much neglected root of all esoteric/occult teachings, graphically portrayed on old Indian temples, in the figure of the Alchemist as a hermaphrodite, and within the well known Buddhist chant ‘Om Mani Padme Hum’, translated as “The Lingam is in the Yoni”, quite clear. Reference to this powerful sex magic is existent just about everywhere, the Sheela-na-gigs over the portals/doorways of (mainly) Irish churches are another example, it’s even found in the Jewish Torah/Christian Old Testament; Deuteronomy 23:1 for instance.
Another avenue in which the 666-Tantra connection can be found is the aforementioned personage of Aleister Crowley – the ‘Great Beast of Revelation 666’ himself, putting into perspective somewhat his infamous ribald sexual behaviour. A great focus of Crowley’s intention was his attempt, or his desire /his want to make this ‘grandest of love’ to a figure known as ‘Babalon’, sometimes referred to as the scarlet woman – recognized by some, among them Jack Parsons, as the great creative matrix of the universe. Babalon’s maternity, or at least her fecundity or femininity has a strong lunar connection, one reason for such would be the lunar cycle ruling/controlling/defining, like the tides, a woman’s menstrual cycle in peoples not afflicted by undue, or anomalous electro and magnetic radiation as we are in our technocratic 21st century societies. This Lunar Goddess Babalon, whose numerical equivalent is 369, finds her complementary partner in Sorath, the ‘demon’ of the Sun whose own numerical equivalent is 666. Crowley assuming the 666 and his work towards a union with Babalon is a perfect match – the Sun and the Moon conjoining, the unity of the virile and the fecund, of the positive and the negative …… This is the Alchemical Hermaphrodite, no less than the attainment of a state of consciousness where absolutely ‘all and everything’ is absolutely united as ‘One’, ‘Whole’, ‘Unity’ or ‘The Absolute’.
Such an incomprehensible concept as the above may seem, it is only thus while we enchain ourselves in the dimensions defined by the cube, the three of space and its ‘comrade-of-(our)chains’, the 4th dimension of physical existence, time. In the attempt to reach the above-mentioned unification of ‘All and Everything’, our familiar 4 dimensions are sometimes described as ‘Maya’, or the ‘world of illusion’. Science has come to similar conclusions both on the larger scale, the thoroughly macrocosmic realm of planets and suns, and at the atomic and sub-atomic level – thoroughly microcosmic. To paraphrase a famous one-time Swiss patent clerk: Matter, or mass BENDS space-time …… an example is the planet Mercury, being beyond the reach of Newtonian physics as the space it travels in is curved so severely by the Sun. at the atomic and sub-atomic level, the action of electrons about the atomic nucleus appears to deem the 4 dimensions null and void, research in this area resulting in quantum wave theory. The Austrian Physicist Fritjiof Capra’s book “The Tao of Physics” is a good overview of the path physics has blazed since Einstein.
The 666 and the search, or striving towards The Absolute is even intimated in the 1st of the Harry Potter books when the age of the Alchemist who manufactured the Philosophers Stone – Nicholas Flamel – of the title that is in the care of Professor Dumbledore, is given 665, and that his death will occur in the next year when aged 666. It is in the historical record, whenever Flamel performed his alchemical works he was always ‘assisted’ by his wife Peronelle – a solar/lunar union the like of Sorath and Babalon.
So Angramain’Yo was on the right, though rather than a balancing out, an equilibrium of sorts, the tantric implications take it much further – Nietzsche titled one of his works “BEYOND Good and Evil” for a reason...
Source: Temple of nox
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Ohhhh k... I am a druid that was raised in a baptist church...... and as said above..... there hasn't been a president yet that has not been accused of being the Antichrist... that said...... IF we look at the bible as being total truth...... it would never be a president.... For the bible says that it will be a man of world power.... and lets face it.. our presidents...... world power... HA! I think not.... if that were the case we would never have wars..... Now this may make people angry and if so Im sorry but its merely my opinion..... I think that if there will be an antichrist.... it will be a pope.... he is the only man that can go into any country he please, and the only man that no one will touch... He can do as he pleases and no one will say a word.... that said.... why has no one thought of the church itself.... I mean really..... I'm not saying this because I am a pagan.. I say this because I have studied and thought on it many times. Its not meant to be a knock on the church or the Christian faith.... BUT it would make total sense.... I mean who would suspect "Satan:" to send the antichrist into the church system... its ingenious really. Im going to pin the Catholic faith for a moment and no one take it personal please because Im not knocking your faith, just merely making a suggestion that I have always thought worth thinking on as I have been to catholic churches as well.... Has anyone ever noticed that the Vatican likes to hide things from everyone? They like to take books from the bible and make them hearsay because it contradicts there teachings.... Ex: The Gospel of Thomas which more then suggests Thomas was a pagan..... lets also look at some of the saints that they created..... they are pagan goddesses and gods..... and the ritualistic bit of mass.... that also derived from the druid faith.... The whole of it is this.... The root of christianity is pagan.... and it all started with the catholic church.... That said...... is it not possible that seeing as most do not realize they are in a christian faith that branched from what they consider the evil pagan faith.... that the catholic church is all just a ploy to make way for an antichrist.....
Now I personally do not believe in the antichrist.... I was just throwing all that out there to give everyone something to think on..... as random and scattered as it was, and as I said I was not out to attempt to bash, insult or anger anyone.... just something to think on is all.
have any of you seen the omen film? Well through out the making of the film many things happened that werent supposed to. for instance when the worker gets his head chopped off by the panel of glass that was real. What i came to say is that one of the workers on the film was driving through holland i believe and he crashed his car on route 666 if hed stayed on that route he would have reached a town called omen so i believe there to be some truth in it as that just couldnt be coincidence
going back to the original thread - the hebrews do infact use the alphabet as numbers, when you study 'Talmud' you learn this from very early on how letters and words can be correctly interpreted.
That said, as much as it is not set out as a religious thread, to seperate the two are enormous, concluding that this is about personal belief once again.
Just some stuff...
Origins of 666
The idea of the Triple God/dess has existed well before the beginnings of Christianity. The Christian God also holds the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit, mirroring a religious aspect that dates well into the beginnings of solidified Pantheons.
The Christian God is said to create the world in 6 days on the 7th he rests. On the six day is the creation of man.
"And God went on to say: 'Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.' And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them."-Genesis 1:26, 27."
So we can see how the number of man is 6, being created on the Sixth day.
The Devil/Satan is label through history as the God of Flesh or something very similar depending on who/where you hear it. The God of Flesh is therefore also the God of Man, not of Christian man but of everyother man. Because the Devil is a "God" his number holds the Trinity aspect... being the Trinity God of Man, and Man's number being 6... the Devil's number becomes 666!
In Numerology, the number 6 is one of the most harmonius of numbers. First a brief background must be explained. The number 1 is a male number, both because of its phallic symbol and embodiment of masculine attributes such as physical and mental activity, and creative power. The number 2 is a feminine number, the II symbolic of the vaginal passage, and embodying feministic properties; accepeting, yielding, warm. The number 3 is another male number. Rotating it on it's side symbolizes the male reproductive testies and it is also 1 (male) + 2 (female) making it the number of Offspring.
Background infomation done, mathematically 6 is both 2 (Female) times 3 (Male) and 1 (Male) + 2 (Female) + 3 (Offspring), making it extremely balanced and hence symbolic of harmonious sexual union. The upward (male) and downward (female) triangels superimpose to form the 6-pointed star. It also very much mirroring a woman's pregnant expanding womb. It is both a female number and 2 x 3 and therefore represents the nurturing side of womanhood -- the stable, safe, warm, domestic aspect of motherhood.
Because it is portrayed as such a female number, celebrating the beauty of motherhood and sexuality, it was shunned by the original Church. It was greatly in their favor to layer 6 with negative connotations, thus diminishing the popular practice of numerology and marking mothers with 6 of some item for good luck. (i.e. 6 flowers or a necklace with 6 beads.)
From here, a propaganda was built around this number and it is said to be an evil omen or some other such nonsense. In any case, whether you believe it is evil or not... that is the origin of the Number of the Beast. Oddly enough, more people avoid the number 13 than 666. Multiple hotels remove room number 13 from every floor but room number 666 will remain. Curious...
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/4885/666.html
Someone I forget who said it was depicting the name of the devil.....Well....How does numbers do that? and Why on earth are people in the bible working out maths problems.
The Bible for one is Seriously depressing at times...the end suggests man will die...Core wonderful.
To me its a number that comes before 665 and after 667....It also makes a kewel tattoo....
I see no reason why it is to be feared or anything....
Silly bored people.
Hmm and the Bible bashers decided they translated wrong and think its 616 now strange its taken them nearly 2000 years to figure this out
well I feel it is just a number and it hold no significance unless you believe it o.
ant 616 the number of the beast???
have 2 admit dnt have the same punch,
wen ya tryam put it in2 some songs its used in
eg: Slipknot-Heretic Anthem
if you're 555, then I'm 666
if you're 555, then I'm 666
to
if you're 555, then I'm 616
if you're 555, then I'm 616
all I have to say on this is I dont like that number at all.
666.. i dont beleive in it... i never bothered me! LOL
Oh I'm sooo scared. Not. Like it matters, cann't stop it from happening if it's true. Just laugh and keep on living life.
Well, all in all, with no rebuttle of my own...Out of boredom alone, I declare a new number for the neighbor of the beast...Let they who hath understanding recockon this number as 667...So there.
Might as well argue the fact that 777 is the name of damien, as well. As that of being the son of said anti-christ.
RedGoddess,
....Hmm and the Bible bashers decided they translated wrong and think its 616 now strange its taken them nearly 2000 years to figure this out
No, the bible, the King James bible, was written around 1611, less than 400 years ago and it is quite well known that it contained a lot of edits to suit the people that wrote it.
Very few people actually think anything in any version of the bible should be taken literally
Anyhow .. around 1882 the Oxyrhynchus Papyri were dug up. There was a lot of bits and it was a long time before anyone got around to working on the particular fragment - it was said to be an earlier reference to the number of the beast being 616 (665 is mentioned too)
Irenaeus (born around 125) had mentioned 616 as the number of the beast too
but remember, just because it is old - it doesn't make it accurate
here's the fragment (I hope the link works)

Here's a good website on it all Oxyrhynchus Papyri
Malakh - the mushrooms you tried were probably inferior - i've had some amazing revelations from the ones i took.
when god is to come back i think it is soppose to be like to be a bar code to buy food and stuff
well why didn't he just say that? i mean it would help if he was a little more clear about it instead of speaking in riddles all the time.
karnstein LOL
I don't think that God will want a bar code to buy food and stuff.
In fact I didn't know God was going to 'come back' He's supposed to be everywhere at all times.
its only the number of the beast if you believe there is a beast...
There are so many stories about 666 depending on different religions and cultures and histories. I do know that many people fear the number in a superstitious way in our modern culture.
Fear of the number 666 is known as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia.
karnstein i was being ironic... xD
but, i have experimented the queen of drugs... lsd... and no mushroom is better than that... and we have here in portugal a lot of Datura Stramonium growing in the fields... probably the strongest herb in the world, also known as Devil's Trumpet and many other names... one of the effects is that you start to see and talk to imaginary people, and can also be lethal...
666 is the mark of the Anti Christ and supposedly when he comes into power you cannot buy or sell goods unless you have that mark on you .
about the main subject, one thing that most of you don't understand, probably because you have never read the bible, is that God, does not want and doesn't need to proof anything to humanity... and guys, stop saying that the bible is mistranslated, it only proofs that you guys don't understand about translations, and transliterations... if there was a significant mistranslation in the bible, it was been discovered long time ago... some of the oldest scrolls that we have access today, are scriptures of the bible... so, if want to proof by yourself, study the old languages hebrew, aramaic and greek, and translate them...
we always will give excuses to ourself, its like the vampire's subject... when i first star to post here in VR, i didn't know what i was going read and to discuss, but i realized that most of the members here, do not believe in supernatural vampires... then, they come with that kind of talk, that supernatural vampires, are myths from the books and from the movies... why? because you haven't seen one. and you don't accept that can exist something that your mind don't understand... then, you start to call vampire to anyone who thinks that it's nice to be one... but that, does not change a fact, if they truly exist (and i know they do) they don't need your believes to keep living... and this is valid to everything in life, God, Jesus, angels, satan, aliens and so on... the ones who already exist, don't need your belief to continue existing...
666 is just anumber. why do people freak out about it?
some say it's the number of satin...
I beleive that alot of good point have been made, inded it is just a number. As for the Micro chips, we all knew that was just a matter of time, what ever they start doing with animals will eventually be done to human kind.
true. soon we will have had an id number inplanted in us with a chip and a gps on us 24/7.
i give it 50 years...and that will happen.
wow this is crazy i never thought that something like this would ever happen ohh well life goes on
malakh,
please read my post about 'would have discovered mistranslations years ago' - when they discover a very old piece of parchment from before the King James bible, but only find it after it was written - they found mistranslations
There are also a great number of people on here who have read bibles, we even have a theologist as a site admin !!!
Part of the ancient scrolls that you are referring to up I have posted to this thread, students of hebrew will see that this pre-bible script shows - נרון קסר - which is the number 616 yet the bible clearly spells the number out in words.
With the simple replacement of numbers for words that this shows, the 'modern' bible has interpreted a great amount of the ancient scrolls and with that interpretation comes the possibility of mistakes which only comes to light when someone digs up more scrolls
I know that there is major relation between this number and Pythagoras.
I dare not to post anything yet before I do a bit of a research for this, because there are too many to be said on this topic...
The Apocalypse, just like many other chapters of the book, are not simple religious fairy-tales. There are other messages, whose roots wonder deep down the ancient times...
Sorry, Artemka, but the photo characters are in ancient greek and the ones from your last post are written in hebrew :P
The bible of King James is not the only source for the modern bible, at least not the source for the orthodox Bible.
You should study gematria.This "science" was developed by hebrew wise man(rabbi-could be the ones "that hath understanding") before this prophecy!
In the hebrew mozaic religion every letter has a correspondence in numbers.That could be a very simple explanation.
I don`t see the bound between the bar code and the 6 number :P, sorry.
Please read about gematria and temurah.
I think you will have a surprise.
I heard somewhere that the number 666 was infact made up it ahs no real significance!
the actual number of the beast is 616 that is what is Documented! that is what i heard anyway =]
Dragonrouge
please don't be sorry, you are of course correct - the line we're looking at on the papryus picture is the third one down I'm told ... chi, iota, stigma (hexakosiai deka hex) ... which as you say is Greek 616
I was reading two texts at the same time and copied the characters from the wrong one when trying to reply to the comment on 'learn hebrew' I should have a said 'pre bible script' not this pre-bible script
The bible tells us that in the year in which King Solomon received 666 talents of gold, he turned his back on God and became obsessed with women, horses, and money (I Kings 10:14 and 2 Chronicles 9:13), Thus, in Jewish history, the number 666 came to stand for apostasy.
A very interesting thread...But at the end of the day 666 as the number of the beast is nothing but a part of an eternal fable....Not to offend anyone but nothing in Christanity is original or if there is,its very few,a lot have been transferred from other religions and some flicked......Christ was and still is a great man who inspired millions into leading a good life but all his good work were charred and slowly degraded by the need for power by certain individuals in the church......Religion after all was created by Humans to understand what their mind couldn't fathom.....Although i think killing millions of helpless women who worshiped Nature was a shameful and sad chapter of Christanity.....my point being its just a number and nothing else.......
like ive posted before and i believe it very much that when a person is born you already have a number but your not branded with it but the goverment knows every thing with that number and yes i believe maybe in 50 years the goverment will try a new thing like they do animals already for dog tags.... think about it the beast is here already which is the big goverment computer
666 is really 999 in the dream sequence numbers ar seen upside down and any satanic priest will tell you 999 is the mark of the beast..
I belive that if revalations is read like the rest of the bible then it is nothning more than a story of the fall of the roman empire and has no meaning in todays world
artemka i know what you mean, but if there were significant mistranslations, many of the guys who don't believe in the bible, the ones who want to destroy it, would have proven that... long time ago... the bible was translated to current languages by Martin Luther, and was not to english, but german... now, i know that in the current days, we have much more resources to understand stuff, but about translating old languages, believe me that Luther was far more able than us... in that time the scrolls were more conserved, and when he started to translate, he spend all of his time doing it... he does not wast time in other things, like we do in present days... in fact, in the present days it's almost impossible to dedicate all of our time in just one thing...
i know that the subject probably means nothing to you, but if you want to know if it is mistranslated or not, you'll need to spend lots of time researching and studding... and the first thing to research any subject, is to forget everything that you ever heard about it... people tends to confuse things, because of what they've heard... the bible, God and Jesus as nothing in common with almost every religion in the world... nobody can speak in the name of God and do things that goes against His word... christian, christianity are words that does not appear in the bible, so, what is a christian? what is faith? what is a believer?
its allegorical - the mark of the beast is in fact the fleece (also known in greek mythology as the golden fleece). it is a guild sign, and in early days the guild was a very powerful influence. one could not trade without paying dues to the guild. of course, things havent really changed much, and even today there is no freedom of trade. you cannot simply set up a table outside your home and sell what you produce without breaking god knows how many laws and bringing down the wrath of the mighty state.
In the Bible, the Book of Revelation (13:17-18) cryptically asserts 666 to be "the number of a man", associated with the beast, an antagonistic creature that appears briefly about two-thirds into the apocalyptic vision. The author challenges the reader to figure out the symbolism of this number, a challenge that has inspired mystics and would-be prophets ever since. The number of people who have been proposed to be the man whose number is 666 is vast and ever growing; it usually does not demand much ingenuity to find several ways to connect one's political or religious opponent with the number 666, since there is no biblical restriction on how a connection between a man and the number may be established.
In modern popular culture, 666 has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for Satan or the Devil. Earnest references to 666 occur both among apocalypticist Christian groups and in explicitly anti-Christian subcultures such as that surrounding some heavy metal bands; more humorous allusions to the 666 symbolism (e.g., the Lemmings level featuring three 6's built upon "hellish" lava terrain) are mainstream. An appearance of the number 666 in contemporary Western art or literature is more likely than not an intentional reference to this number of the Beast symbolism. Such popular references to 666 are too numerous to list here.
It is not uncommon to see the symbolic role of the integer 666 transferred to the digit sequence 6-6-6. Some people take the satanic associations of 666 so seriously that they actively avoid things related to 666 or the digits 6-6-6. This is known (more or less tongue-in-cheek) as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia
well, in my opition i dont give adamn bout this number ... its just a number like others !
personally i think 666 is just a number an awesome number, but still just a number
There were only three main teachings that JC preached in those ancient days. One of them was about the Kingdom of Heaven. If was mostly for his chosen few but the masses did hear about it in the parables that he taught.
The teaching of parables do a couple of things. It gets the message out in a palpable way 'for those that have wisdom to understand' and without directly insulting or causing others to take offense.
You must understand that at that time and still now, people rely on knowledge that they get from themselves. Either through schooling, associates, logic, etc. All systems that originate from the outside of themselves and not from Spirit. Or in JC's teachings - the Kingdom.
The number that is now misinterpreted is that of Man, and not of a man. The physical number of Man is 666. Your own body is that of the beast. It and its needs, are the only thing that separates you from G_d or the Kingdom. Most of this book of John's was meant to be addressed against the believes of the Gnostics of that time.
You need to get out of your heads to understand this. This is a case of faith and understanding in "All that is." It is no wonder that so few understand the meaning. The leap is too great for so many.
i find no barrier of faith in me to hold me to it ,yet i say it could be or it might not be, but we have free choice and if that time does come, i say fight and show none shall brand us but ourselves.
And for fun. Those that see numbers popup in their lives. If you see 333, it is said that you are being given a choice to either pick a Spiritial path, (999) or an Earthly one (666).
since 666 is the mark of the beast and it is all around us it might be the way of marking earth as hell if you believe in heaven and hell
Remember that there is no Hell. There was the Greek, Hades. Big difference. If you tell people that you believe in Hades because it is in the bible you would be laugh at now a days. Funny is it not? The BS is all around you - not Hell.
I think it is just saying that we will all be marked . The numer it self isn't important . Its the mark . Look at ww2 when hittler marked all the jews . Or in the states the ssn . You can't legally do anything in the us with out it .
Yep. All those tats, product codes, ss#, etc. are about you. Written two thousand years ago - just for you. My, aren't we special. This generation is indeed full of themselves. As well as the one before it. Another lesson bites the dust and spirit dies.
How do you figure that the lesson is lost . How is it you see it coming about . Could it not be that those ways used to track people and know what they are doing and where fit the "story" very closely .
They don't match, that's the point. Its a fantasy spread by people that do not understand. You are making them fit to your own needs. These new tracking devices can not be placed in your hand or forehead, so nothing fits this story anyway.
Its a lesson - message. Ask yourself, why was the "right hand" and not the left or hand be mentioned? Why the "forehead" and not somewhere else? This message was given for a reason. It was and is not meant for the general public to guess at. Either you get it or you don't.
Don't alot of people in those circles interperate the things that were written differently . Some of the words in those scrolls don't even traslate to modern day lanuage . It was just a thought . I don't take it as the absolute truth . I just try to see things from different angles
it depends on which way you look at it...some say it's the number of the beast or devil..while other say it is not..it can be a very hot topic...i feel that it is just a number..
Artemka had it right, "He that hath understanding". Only those able to think for themselves and willing to look beyond the normal paramaters of biblical teaching will understand.
I personally am a Qabalist, and as such do practice gematria which is a practice using numbers and letters to decipher the hidden meanings specifically within scripture. 666 is extremely interesting in that aspect, as the possible interpretations are nearly limitless. But as far as it goes in this thread, my advice is wait, watch, and just see what happens. If it is about the future, Then he who hath understanding will understand.
And as far as Armageddon goes, something is in the air. People need to keep their eyes and ears open.
Etrigan you said it all, "either you get it or you don't" and i must say that you didn't get it... you can have all the wisdom in the world (which you don't) and still, you will not be qualified to interpret the bible... but, i can speak for myself, God has called me and prepared me for this war, and since He baptized me with the Holy Ghost, i can interpret the bible... and you can argue whatever you want...
1 Corinthians 2:9 "but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And [which] entered not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him.
10 But unto us God revealed [them] through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God.
12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual [words].
14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man."
now, i will repeat the verse 14 "Now the natural man RECEIVETH NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are FOOLISHNESS unto him; and he CANNOT know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY JUDGED."
get it?
Foolish mortal, if only you did know of the holy war of which you speak of. Jihad is a raging battle that lies within all humans. they are torn between their dual natures and speak of nothing but foolishness. I care little for your bible thumping. Off with you child. Your flesh is indeed weak. Your wisdom empty. I mentioned about your 666 nothing more.
i'm no babysitter and bedtime is already passed... so if you like to role play, go play to a Kindergarten...
and by the way, demons are nothing more than fallen angels... :X
I would have to say that this is one of those things that is just bs. So many things have been predicted to kill the earth but i dont believe this to be one of them. its just a number.
i dont know much on this subject but i watch i documentary on it and historien think that the number 666 accually refers to Gulias Ceaser
The interpretation of the Bible is up to the individual and God. Of course very little of it need to be interpreted, just read the darn thing and think for your self lol.
Etr: Are you not a mortal? Regardless of that, tell us your ideas about 666 I am curious to hear your understanding of it.
And the tracking devices we have today most certianly CAN be implanted into ANY part of the body. We have radio-transmitters smaller than a grain of rice. Some manufacturers are even considering sewing in tracking devices and other "tech" stuff with in the very fabric of your clothing.
As for 666 itself, I think the obvious part of the Word is well the answer "he that hath understanding"