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Dion Fortune was a member of the golden dawn and did some work on psychic self defense over a century ago and believed the vampire to be an astral body from a powerful magical worker (properly Alister Crowley) .

My question being do you feel the need to protect yourself against such a being?

I feel no need to protect myself against my own kind. Maybe if I encountered a much stronger vampire who meant me harm, but how would I defend against that with psychic self defense. I don't know...

Rev. Ravyn

I always shield my mind and my aura. I've had a few run ins with dangerous psychic vampires so I've designed a personal shield that reverses any attack directed at it.

I've heard of using shields, but are there other forms of psychic self defense. I got the mind picture of psychic kung fu when I first read this post and saw it as different that using a shield.

Rev. Ravyn

I feel the need to protect myself as well.
I used diffrent shield and diffrent energies,
to keep the attacks off.
It seems that the red energy produced
by feelings of horror and evil..that makes the
red energy,keep the vamps at a very far distance.
but,it also attracts attention.
Shields just gets toren down.
guess,i donno how to make a good shield yet.

If you don't make yourself a target than why would you need protection. I mean think about it. If you carry yourself in an appropriate manner and not associate yourself to exposure of a bad element than you wouldn't set yourself up for attack.

I always practice a regular shielding technique, as there are a lot of different energy forces out there. You can never be too prepared. Even though I've only been psychically attacked once.

I never intended to set myself-up for anything.
It's drivin me to the point to take this action.
attacks too often..makes one want to explore
ways into showing what i want to keep away.
if that makes any sence.
I dont like to hide...
I like to show what i feel to what i like and
dont like.

I can fully understand you protecting yourself but antagonizing someone is bringing attention to yourself and it could be the attention of someone much more poweful than you which can cause you great harm. Maybe if you could channel those energies so they don't project off you and sent signals unless you need to only when someone else attacks. You should always be in the defense not the offense otherwise the perception is taken out of context.

maybe.
I'm still working on it.
It's very hard to do these things
when you have no one arround you
with better methods to help teach you.
When you gotta do it yourself..left in the dark
without someone to help guide you,
your left with nothing but..testing..and knowing
the hard way.

Dragoness
You seem troubled by attacks ?
Astral attacks?

yes.
usually by thoes who cant seem to
hunt for themselves..and try an easy way out
of it and take from me.
Or elders who just 'hate' me for no reason..
and see me as an easy target or a game..or somthing.
I guess because I'm alone in this.
So im easy to try to attack on or somthing.

Interesting flower…. So is there a group of you that go astraling together …?
Or you just find the place you go has these beings attacking you?

I ask as I have experienced something like this .

Alister Crowley was quite the nasty critter him self.. and yes.. I do protect my self as I seem to draw many a nasty critter to me they find me yummy.. I dont know why but they do..

I do this with no one.
And as i go..anywhere i go...I seem to get attacked
about 70% of the time.
It's seems that everyone is so much stronger then me.
Only cause they have elders and other to help them
grow into this.
I just feel like a drive-threw Mc.D's window
for anyone whos hungry.

WOW, Dragoness I am so sorry to hear that.. I can believe you have it that bad.. I guess I did as a kid before I knew what was going on but that was a very long time ago.. Please let me know if I can help in any way..

Thank you for the offer,but I don't think
that there is anything you can do.
Unless you can teach me a way to have a strong shield
that can keep hiddin but stay effective.
the only thing that I now of right now,
is..red energies..vamps don't like or even want to be near.

Mistressblooddimonds… long name is it ok if I call you MBD

Dear Alister is close to my heart, I find the guy beyond his times. Sure when hi filed his teeth to give the serpent bite was just his vampirism expression.

As for the critters you speak off… like ants all over the body?
Or full on cloaked beings?


Hi Dragoness

You need to perform a banishing ritual before you ascend. As for the beings it will be a show of will power… just grab one and lock foreheads and concentrate and feel it’s energy flow into you… you wont kill them just leave them slumped on the floor drained and glowing red .

I think your ascending from an infected area

yes..i know the the area is infected,
pretty badly.Maybe thats my prob.
Findind a place thats not..is hard to do.
It seems that im a magnet for vamps
and dark beings.I dont attract on
purpose.If i find a place that seems
free from..well you know.
It's like i'm fallowed.
i will try what you said.

In my astral realm I found an abandoned temple and it was infested with cloaked beings….
They seemed to follow then mass till I couldn’t take it no more and fed on one … it’s screams were terrifying and real sharp …. Then they backed of … I fed more… they don’t die just drop n glow red…. I feed often and have my temple rebuilding it’s self…. I guess that’s for a new post on astral realms….

woah,hope i never run into thoes or them.
Sounds nightmareish.

Yes ….. I just love it …. There torment and terror echoes into the night

I see no reason to protect myself period...I am not in fear of being attacked...If an entity does feel the need to attack, then by all means try...I am a tad bit more skilled than petty protection.

Yes indeed Soulshroude

I must say besides a safe meditation point for my astral event, iv never protected myself with new age shields or “white light” … nor have I met something that could stop me

no i don't see the need to protect your self from vampires but bad energy yes.

The only power "psychic attacks" have against us is that granted them by ourselves... no more and no less. We alone give power to the threat of them and only we can recognize it as the superstitious nonsense that such threats truly are.

There... psychic self-defense class is over. Feel free to pick up your diplomas at the door.

I use a barrier of sorts. You see, I have this old friend of mine that is overly adept with psychic abilities. He's a bit of a power seeker. I have been attacked by him only twice, after the second time I was able to produce a "firewall" around me to keep him away. Now whenever he tries, and I know he does becuase I can sense that it's him, he just bounces back. I love the elements, natural barriers.

no but i do need to protect myself from the ghosts where I work.

I think with the proper knowledge you can educate yourself and protect yourself. May not always work, but the effort is worth it

If nothing else, it would be a confidence booster yes, kioshi.

Well sure, I feel a need for protection, especialy if the intentions of unknown beings are possibly hostile for my own well being. On the other hand, I really wouldn know how to protect my self 100% against such a unknown being and its abillities.

No, I have no reason to and nor do they give me one.

No, dont believe in it to much to no about psychic stuff

I do not feel the ned toprotect, as I do not feel threathen by it, as long as I do not go and cause amr and walk on otherS' toes I am sure I will be alright

I use banishings and shields against harm - whether it be psychic or otherwise. I believe the best is to shield against negative energy - that seems to be what I would consider my biggest problem.

If you put yourself in the face of adversity, then I believe there must always be some kind of self defense despite what your race is :)

Yes, sometimes.

My Response is short and sweet...Yes..

I always have psychic barriers up to prevent anyone from getting to close psychically, etc.

I tent to agree with Upirlikhyl on this.

If you believe you need one then perhaps you do.

If you feel the need to protect yourself, then by all means do so. But if there is no need, then there should be no worries.

I am impenetrable. I have been told by numerous psychic's and psy. vamps that they are unable to get into my head and harness my prana. I'm not bloating it is simply a fact.

I feel more of a need to protect myself from those who are not aware of what they are capable of, and have no idea that they are unconciously sending or receiving...

No, I do not feel the need to protect myself against something that doesn't exist.

I dont feel the need to protect myself from those I know and trust, but I do always shield myself for the every day onslaught of negative energies I am faced with. Such is the life of an empath, I suppose, but without my defences I dont know what would happen.

thaey can drain you of your lifeforce over a period of nights then when your done you have the energy of and old man or woman and you life spark is dimmed.

protecting yourself is a good idea just dont know how

No, at least no more that I need worry about anything else like that. I some how have always been able to fight off any kind of "magical" or "psychic" attacks. So I do really think about it to much. lol

No, not at the moment that is. However, I do believe that if you listen to your intuition you will know if and when you need protection.

I generally dont shield myself. But, I can feel things from far away sooo if I am going into a situation that ripples my feathers, then I quietly put my shields in place before I even get close.

lavisbre nope i dont have to protect myself from the vampire..

I feel I have to defend myself from many different people that have negative energy. And I am not talking just evil, but the ones with hyper energy and those that are hateful, mean, people that talk way too much, etc.. The psychic vamps.

I protect myself from getting hurt but I think we all do that lol

I shield myself and others when in need and I do not fear attacks, but it is always prudent to be prepared for them and to deal with them directly.

It's interesting to note that many people who are not magic users etc, feel the need to shield/protect themselves from people around them.

I work with people who are generally stressed/angry so I understand the need.

When I think about it, I sometimes use humour as a 'shield' or 'think happy thoughts'.......simple but effective.

So I guess that could be termed self defence......yet not in a psychic way.

hey, whatever works for you...

and I think you should protect yourself, Cere does an amazing job at what he does... and it helps a lot

If there was such a being on planet earth I think we would already know of it, and have methods of defense at hand.

Hi MaraJade
Your right we do know about it and we do have ways of dealing with it
This thing it is know of and documented … in fact the golden dawn a rather educated elite group of magic workers who dear Alister was also a member have done much research and documentation.
They know it’s a magic user making it and it drains energy… iv used them myself… it’s called a servitor, it can also be raised accidentally with Ouija boards
If you read what a vampire is , the Britannica states a vampire … The persons who turn vampires are generally wizards, witches, suicides, and persons who have come to a violent end, or have been cursed by their parents or by the church. (Encyclopedia Britannica)
I know of two spells that are designed to make one a vampire… who drains energy…

So I guess im saying it is out there it is documented it is common knowledge with vampire clans to raise an entity made from parts of there gathered focus. Chaos users make them called servitors

lavisbre said it best. I agree with the points made. However I don't think that they need to protect themselves from themselves.

I keep to my self alot, and hardly every let someone in to my heart. This has helped me defend my mind, but also pulls me down as well.

If I ever were to come into contact with such a being then I think I would like to have some sort of defence in place as an incase of! Just my 2 cents.

Hi Darkicewolf
Interesting answer… do you mind elaborating on it more … how does isolation of yourself protect and what is the downside?

If that’s too personal you can post me

You know its not just vamps that might mess with you. I feel if a vampyric does such things they are a little nutty in the head because there is no need really but some say they feed astrally. I do not but I have always had very lucid dreams my whole life. I do not do out of body traveling in a waking state as I feel it's not safe but a more normal aspect of dreaming and I go out that way and dream walk.

To really maintain a good shield one needs to be proficient in visualization techniques. Any good magickian will tell you and even Aleister Crowley said this...you need at least two years of meditational experience and work with focusing and imaging until you cannot be distracted or interruped by outside stimulus.

You need a pretty good shield because if the person works with servitors it depends on how they are created and if they are sent out to merely scare you that can contribute to your ability to maintain your shielding. There are various ways to shielf. A servitor can be created as a shield between you and any psychic attack...they take the brunt of it and not you and programmed to return the favor. Anything that you can imagine can be done with these critters.

Much of what is taught now is from a Wiccan viewpoint. I learned metaphysically. Mirrors work well to send back what comes your way but if you have practiced and found what suits you it should be something you don't have to work at...just part of your daily routine. I don't feel this is often needed unless you are working with entities and doing a lot of out of body traveling.

I keep myself protected by everyone. No reason to let your defenses down because u never now when u will need to defend yourself

I do not feel the need to protect myself from anything as much as I do feel the need to accept them. The more you push them away the more they'll keep coming back. Some beings feed off of fear. So giving them what they want is only making things worse.

Protecting yourself from a negative person or spirit is important. Allowing them to penetrate your thoughts and taking over is not a good idea. I agree with protecting yourself that way for sure.

I havent really delt with it but I find it fascinating what you guys have to say.

yes i have dealt with many energy vampires

When did you have to deal with such a negative force?

I find my self protecting me from my self. Also from the things that go bump in the night, very few now the real and true me.

Anything that I feel that is negative in my space that I am normally not accustomed to having around me..... the feelings I get...... anything that I know is not mine. I have the feelings from time to time. But I have not seen anything in this house. I don't know if I want to LOL

I tend to protect myself whenever I feel things I don't like.

Are we speaking of movie vampire or real life human vampire lavisbre?

I believe everyone needs psychic protection from anything they feel threatened by, regardless of what it is.

I agree. Sometimes we are not even sure what it is.

Hi Wolfkiller I always speak of real life styles, this however is a part of magic where it is documented a servitor is made and sent to drain or attack …. The golden dawn did a lot of work on it and find the Philip ghost the same type of entity

I don't believe in protecting myself from them mostly because I don't think I would do much good on my own. Kind of like trying to stop a steamroller with a piece of paper

I have never had the need to protect myself.

Since the time I was a little girl I imagined a shield of protection around me and its a shield to keep out all negativity, not only psychic attacks.

I see well in that case then it is a good possibility that they are or could be ressurected from the dead.

But now I lay the question out to everybody why would a resurrected vampire need blood?

I say this because it was brought back to life and not the incarnation of a misguided soul.

Would say I agree with Polishsiren,why make Yourself a target..

I agree with CelestiaNocturne

Dion Forune worked on an offensive style of psychic self defense, moving beyond mere shielding (which to her was a given that any magician of any power would naturally shield himself). Her work extends to psychic, spiritual, and magikal battle. I have had to defend myself on several occasions, and have done so without a second thought. Just as if someone attacked me or mine physically I would defend them, so too I find the same justification in doing so spiritually/psychically/magikally.

I use a type of shield. If I can feel something or someone trying to get into my mind I slam up a big brick wall so they can't get in and get a headache when the do try

Why would I protect myself, in my eyes that just means I'm too afraid to face it

You know, when I was a kid, I lived in a area close to a bad neighborhood. One time, I was about 10, I was walking down the street and I saw a group of kids walkng toward me. They looked like the sort I didn't want to meet by my self, so I crossed the street. They crossed the street. I crossed back, which they then did. Finally we passed. There were 5 or 6 in their group. As we passed, one reached out and punched me in the stomach. I kept walking as did they.

I learned my lesson in victim mentality. Some people can see that victim mentality and take advantage of it. Would I have gotton punched had I stayed my course; maybe. If I had acted agressively, I probably would have gotten worse.

I guess the point of all this is that there are several ways of drawing attention to yourself opening yourself up for attack. Sometimes you may welcome it, others you don't. Make that decision. Acting confident, is a good thing, but not arrogant. Having a shield up is wise, projecting the shield is not.

I dont think I hve a need to protect myself from anyone. My grandma however blesses my forehead everytime I head out the door. I figure well ... u just never know

thats sweet of her, wish my gran was alive still.... just feel so safe around her...

I dont think or have need to defend myself against any such being...I just keep my guard up against negative or bad energy flows. I try to keep people with such spirits out of my life.

i think one should protect themselves from anything they pose as a threat

i do yes, cause you never really now whos out there hun
there are alot of ways to protect yrself message me and ill give ya a few

As mentioned before, don't make yourself a target so that there won't be a great need to protect yourself. But still, there will be times when you will be attacked and it will be wise to protect yourself against such an attack, even it it's just a little bit of protection.

back in the day when i was dabbling in demonology and black magick, hell yes i used psychic defenses per se, but since i now travel a rather moderate road, no one gets into my psychic air space to mess with me now, so no more need of it.

I think everybody has a psychic self-defense for the reason pertaining to some of us just have trained and made it stronger while others can't control or harness it.

Now I say this to everybody has a demon within I believe but some people can control it while others can not.

For instance one with control can block the demon and keep from doing things tha ae bad such as killing etc.

A example of a un-controlled one is like texas chainsaw massacre guy the demon took over and he went crazy and you know the rest.

Hi Wolfkiller

As you know I play with such arts… demons are more like eating to much ect they show as obsessive behavior only …. People who kill and say the devil told them are nut jobs.. lol
nothing occult about that lol

I have never really felt a need to protect myself from that particluar being no. But I do protect myself from bad energies and people in general.

I think you should be prepared to defend yourself at any time.

Yes, I do find it necessary. Not only because I am a projector, but because of my otherkin nature I'm much more susceptible to such feeding.

No I dont need to protect myself against a being that does not exist for real

Lol I see lavisbre.
So we agree that we have them?
If so then why is it only demons can enter us and not angels lavisbre?

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