There's another Thread in the forum about Sylvia, but it has been closed for over 2 years now. I thought I would revive it, since she is a rather 'debatable topic'.
What does everyone think of Sylvia Browne? Do you think what she says is all true, or fake? Perhaps some of it is true and everything else are blank guesses? Tell us what you think..
She has said some really controversial and otherwise radical things, like what we live in now is hell.. literally, and that this 'hell' will end in exactly 2100 AD.
I personally.. really don't know what to think. She's too 'on point' to look real to me.
PS - If you don't know who Sylvia Browne is.. use google. =)
I've seen her predict some small stuff right, but I don't really know if I'd call her fake or not! :P
I have gotten a couple of her books and I can see how people find her so convincing. She HAS done her research--having read dozens of Bible version, the Torah, etc. I also don't believe she's making a scam and seriously wants to help people.
However, I don't agree with some of her views of the Afterlife and the idea that we plan our lives before birth. (If that was true and we are all "good" people when we are dead, why do we cause so much suffering simply to learn and destroy our planet at such a rate? Two, if we simply reincarnate from the beginning, how does she explain how we've grown from thousands of humans in the past into six billion?)
I think she's nothing but a fake. Honestly, I think she actually discusses what to say with the people before hand.
She is a fraud, its just that some people have a sixth sense or are simply just trained for want of a better word, to "listen" well to what others are not saying. Also when you have an audience as large as hers are most of the time its not hard to throw out something that someone can identify with...
I don't think she would have gotten so far if all she is, is a fake. Cause you got to remember, she's helped the police find missing people and for being crzy she's hella rich! lol Did you know that she charges over $800 for sessions? She says so in one of her books.
Most crazy or eccentric people are very rich....
I might add that her 2012 predictions aren't anything new, many have speculated on the same things...
Iknow most the crazys are rich lol but I still don't see her faking out the cops. lol How would you do that?
No offense but the "cops" aren't all they are made out to be.....many of them are frauds as well, its rather embarrassing for this country.
She seems to have a book out every month and touches on some different subject.
I can not put my faith in all of her predictions. To charge 700.00 hundred to 900.00 dollars a reading for a gift...I find that extremely expensive.
I have seen her on the Montell Williams Show and his altitude to me seems to have changed of losing patience. One of the members of the studio audience had stated about paranormal activity in their home....her response was to move. That to me was a poor explaination for a medium
lol Some of what anyone says can be taken the same way I guess.
No one can say for sure if she is right or if it's all inside her head. :P
And as for the cops I guess your right, they don't make humans look very smart most of the time.
I get a vibe about her that I just don't like. Something I can't really put my finger on but my instincts tell me she's totally phony. I think she's a fraud in my opinion.
After some quick research on her, I know that she if a criminal who plays people's emotions and good intentions.
She plead no contest to securities fraud, for taking people's money to be used for gold mining and instead was using for front money for a psycic endevor.
Now she is a Ron L Hubbard type, running her own taste of religion that is practiced by only using literature that she and her publishing house produce.
I think a cereal commercial for some Cocoa Puffs are in order for her and her followers and believers.
But then again, we are a free market society, and if someone were to give me money for crap I made up, I'd take it...
I don't doubt that she may have some psychic abilities, but I definitely get the "greed comes first" vibe from her.
I know! $800 for a session at may or may not be true!!!! That's just messed up!
I do not think she is fake yet I also do not feel she is always 100% correct ya know I mean there are some things she has really got right and other things she just kinda blows off Like the Move out statement when a house was possessed or something LOL so it is a very 50 - 50 situation I feel
$800? Whoa. Forget what I said about her. Sadly, I agree with Pandora about the cops. My asshole of a father used to work with the ones in my town and they were a bunch of sleezeballs. The courts aren't too better here.
In some ways she may be true and doesnt con ppl..But in another way, like was said up above, she is to precise and on the point..And i think also she may talk with ppl before and gets a vibe without them even knowing..doesnt know, it is just another gimmick to make money
She is 100% fake...she does have a talent...to read people...not palms...but body language...she read their faces and body movements...to gauge her next answer.Much like the police,profilers and private investigators do when asking questions..When she first started on Montel...many years ago...a woman whose son was missing asked her if he was still alive...right away she was like NO!!! no he is dead...was killed soon after he was taken...about a week later he was found alive and well.
Sylvia Browne? Ha! Total fake! Her crap makes me laugh.
I don't know much about this woman, so I can't really choose sides fairly. I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt, just like all supposed psychics.
No psychic can make hits 100% of the time, it depends on their ability to fabricate a plausible answer. Uri Geller and John Edwards made a good living out of telling people what they wanted to hear, and so does any good psychic. Edgar Casey enthralled thousands with his descriptions of Atlantis, Nostradamus wrote vague descriptions of events he forcast a thousand years into the future. As long as people want to hear them there will always be those willing to charge a few bucks to enlighten them. IMHO all psychics are frauds to skeptics and real to believers.
I believe she is real myself...may not always be right but who is? but that is just my opinion
I think are certain aspects she can be accurate but not always no way.... I do think she is a good hearted person who wants to help people better understand the sixth sence so to speak... However on most of her larger perdicitons she is typically not accurate at all from what I have seen...
BUT I do watch her everytime she is on MONTEL lol
Sure, she has gotten some things right. But still all she seems to me is just a big money greedy deciever bent on becoming famous for really something she lacks in but others believe she has the ability of.
From what I'v seen of her she seems to get a few things right..So I really can't say if she's a fraud or not.
I haven't read her books, but I've seen her on TV, and I'm really not convinced by what she does.
Well someone should go for a reading at one of those shows she does and come back and tell us. lol :P
Real or fake..there is something about her that is off.Way off.
I like her books and they are very comforting. I also have found that much of what she has written has been things that I have believed in my whole life, so it confirms a lot. That was nice.
Since I, myself, read cards and was a professional psychic, I must say that "psychics" are not 100% accurate, nor do they claim to be. Also, I read over the internet and I didn't have people ask questions or ask them much. I just read cards and told them stuff from them. I got so many people telling me I hit the nail on the head. ;) I helped a lot of people every week for years and hell, my whole life.
This lady is a "cold reader" as far as I'm concerned. A lot of mentalists do the same thing for entertainment purposes. Ms. Brown just doesn't hesitate to get personal about it and claims that it is real. A mentalist won't do that.
I put her in the same category as Uri Geller, but slightly different. They both claim what they do is supernatural. However, both of their actions have been explained and/or duplicated by others for a long, long time.
Cold reading has been around for centuries. Its just a fresh face on an old routine if you ask me. You can find tons of information on cold reading with very little effort. The real trick is making is automatic and "off the cuff"
Personally, I think it is rather cruel to pull at the heart strings of people like she does. Keep in mind that I'm a skeptic though.
♠ JS ♠
I agree with JS, these psychics are all cold readers, they are too general with their so called predictions or readings, and in most cases they receive all the information they need from the clients without the clients knowing that they're giving away the answers.
I was just thinking that if what she does is legit she should take the James Randi Million dollar challenge.
All you have to do is duplicate your abilities under test conditions and pocket a fast million. Thats something I would do if I had these abilities.
She would sure give herself a lot more credibility that way and that itself would lead to more cash in pocket. It seems like a sound business plan to me.
♠ JS &spades
lol Not all psychic ablilities work that way though. I read tarot and I don't ALWAYS get it right.
Besides, I've read some of her books and she seems alright to me.
I'm not one to critisize what I haven't experienced and I've never seen her perform in real life. So I can't really say if she's a fake.
I like her, I watch her whenever she'ds on Montel.
I also own most of her books. Exploring The Levels Of Creation, was very interesting book to read.
She like so many things is a mystery of the universe that we may only know if we die and go talk to her. lol
I can honestly say I don't really know..I've read 3 of her books and some of the things I can understand...but others may just be a bit to radical for me to believe. I've watched her a lot on the Montel Show but I'm still not really sure...
My mom seems to believe her...I have the urge to try to get tickets and see for myself..but then again I'd rather not be disappointed.
I think overall I believe her more then any other psychic but I still am not sure if she is real or a fake.
I agree with nocna. Like many other people you predict the future, she uses coincidences to predict.
Fakes are the price that real mediums have to pay for.
I have never heard of the woman myself but after having a quick look....I'm not impressed.
I dont know I have followed her thoughts for some time and she is pretty accurate. Perhaps it is one of those things needed to be seen to believe. Personally I do believe in much of what she speaks from my own research.
i think she is real but she just blows stuff out of proportion.
Yes, most psychics can't possibly predict 100% of everything 100% on point. Sylvia doesn't do that, but that can only make her look more legit. Yes she has made minor mistakes at times... but she's only human.
I also have a response to this comment -"I think she's nothing but a fake. Honestly, I think she actually discusses what to say with the people before hand."
lol.. She's a real psychic, she doesn't talk to people about her predictions. She goes WAY beyond the Montel Show.. so no. She discusses nothing, I assure you.
I'm not defending her.. I'm just stating facts. She seems really dead on to me, and really.. real. But she almost seems too real, and some of the things she says is scary, as you saw in the description of this Thread.
So I'm on the fence with her. Although she probably is SOME sort of psychic for sure.. just not this good.. probably.
Shes a fraud I watch montel williams and every wendsday for a while I am not sure if they still air the sylvia brown.psychic hour I stoped watching after the like 2nd show.I got frustated with her.All so if any one has visited her website she charges out rages prices to come to tell you your future.In my opinion real psychics do not charge.
Yea she is really expensive, which I find funny.. and playing against her. She also looks kinda weird.. kinda like a fraud. Hmm.. I dunno.
I think she is afruad that plays on the helpless mortals with emotional stress. sorry, if these powers or abilitie were true why charge so much to people who may not even have it. sorry my belief.
I predict that Sylvia Browne should quit smoking or she is going to die of cancer.
I predict everyone's gonna die eventually from breathing oxygen, so I'm better than you Sevenn. =p
Sylvia's predictions, however, are not nearly as vague. They are really detailed and on point.. from what I have seen.
I havent read her books,nor do I have an interest to.I saw enough on TV.
What I want to know is how to go about hooking up with that Challenge there jack..
A lot of these TV psychics plant people in the audience before the show to get information from others. It is then relayed to the psychic back stage where she can prepare. Some also go as far as planting microphones in the audience area that will pick up information. Its then a simple matter to produce names, dates, events, etc.
Oceanne, just go to randi.org for information on the challenge. The link can be found on the left side of the main page. The challenge has been up since 1964. ;)
The only gift she has is the ability to make gullable people believe in her and trust what she says.
As I said, Sylvia is more than a "TV psychic". She is a real life psychic with real clients ect. Saying stuff like "she discusses her prediction shows on TV before it airs" doesn't mean much, as she does not only predict on live shows. She has several private stuidos ect.. Sylvia is a real life psychic.
Whether or not those predictions are accurate is another story..
The private sessions are where the cold reading comes down to an art form. Then its all about reading body language, speech, gender, and various other things. You emphasize when you hit and move on quickly and/or twist what you said to make sense when you miss. If you do it efficiently the person being read for will forget most of the misses.
I do not normally tend to believe in the "psychics" that want the fame and fortune attached to their given ability, but Sylvia Brown for some reason strikes me as different from all of those people.
Very well might be the case Jack..
But just like you can't say Sylvia is 100% real, you also can't really say she's 100% fake either. I mean she must have -some- ability.. she's not known for nothing.
I totally agree with you there. I just think her powers are more in her PR department than in her psychic ability ;)
Probably so.. but then you can say that with all the psychics. So I guess you can say Sylvia is a better and more "real" psychic (given all those standards you have brought up) than most others.
I truly, believe her.
Don't get me wrong, I know shes eccentric, but she cant guess right that many times, and be right.
The odds are astronomical.
So what saw you?
Maybe, I just think its a fresh face on an old gig. John Edwards is also quite popular. In the 1920's there was Mina Crandon, or "Margery" as she was often called, who had a rather extensive feud with Houdini. Either way, I dont see this type of thing coming to a half anytime soon.
The reason why her charge might be so high is cause there is a high demand for her time. :P
I've only seen her on tv on the montell show. I don't believe her because its tv, it was probably rehursed.
She is slipping,she is a real genuine charlatan that has a lot of very intuitive people in the background.
She has had other up and coming mediums dragged through the mud.
i feel she is real..getting old but she still is the real thing.
There may be some real psyhic power but over the years greed and wanting fame have warped and corrupted her.
i think she is just a real good people reader and gets lucky sometimes
Eh, she might get SOME things right, but she's not solid. Afterall she is the one who said Shawn Hornbeck was dead, yet here he is. Still alive and living with his family.
Not one person here can say they are right 100% of the time. Hell not even 90%.
I certainly can't take credit for that.
And judging her by her mistakes can backfire on you cause you make them too.
If the possibility exist that she is not fake then I would state that she is good a faking such an ability some phycics use what used to be parlor ice breakers,con artist,and gypsy use the same thing in one degree or another.So what she does is real what she claims gives her the ability to do it can be debates along with other occult topics,how she applies that to her career should raise eye brows because we have plenty of mediums that have been exposed as frauds. She knows that people are becoming more skeptical that is why she has been "rebooting"her base or core statements.When John Edward faded away nobody asked for follow up coverage,part of it has to do with people wanting address things that they mourn or unsettled attachmnts to those that die.she weaves vague scopes of things sometimes with questionairs to prompt her,To my it becomes a question not if she is or isn't "fake"but is why fake it what motivation aside from money?I think Silvia herself has forgotten why.
I know she is a FAKE!!!
When she was on Montel a couple months ago, a lady in the audieance stood up and asked her how her brother died. She went on rambling and then the lady's brother stood up and told Sylvia that he was alive and well. Sylvia went to saying then that the girl had a brother she didn't know about... Now come on, that should prove she is a fake.
What people like Sylvia do is fish for some things and then the run with it. I don't believe in people like that. If she was real, how come she can't win the lottery or help find people that are missing?
SHE IS NOTHING BUT A FAKE.....
I think she is for real. I think she is unlike most, but there real psychics out there and I believe she in one of those. :)
But she is a valid fake and that is because she picks things out of static news paper articles and when she is involved in a criminial case she uses a deduction of variables triggering hunches the detectives already have
then she gives her spirits credit I think that if she was outright with her abilities that she would gain a lot more clients.As she does it I think she had an agenda at one time and now she is watching it have a life of its own.
I shudder to think if Sylvia Brown lead a cult because at one time she was very charismatic,she is losing her uniqueness as well.One can only revision ones Mojo a magician will seldom do a trick twice in a row to an audience.at one time she was seamless,I watched her on a psyhcic documentary and she was vague about the source of her powers. She is a good performer who at one time took herself too seriously but she is trying to save face and slip out of suspicion
she has tried repeatedly for tax exemption so that hints to me motive.
I have watched her on TV many times. There have been times that she "supposedly" got things right and then times she did not.
I do not know if she is fake or not, but I do know that I would not pay those high prices to find out.
I also I have noticed there are times when she is trying to give a name she may say' "there's someone that's starts with a D" well in most families there are peoples names that begin with a D. How is this proof of anything?
This is proof that she uses fishing the supposed spirits are so she can sketch common features the micro response when and after the name is mentioned .
So if I was to say perhaps:
There was is a man he is hinting to me Jack... Zack ...
a nick name??? .....a crossed over little brother
Little Brothers always have Nick names Hinting apeals to people that shared secrets with a loved one that "passed over"so then later in the session she mentions that is all ok I have told nobody it went to me to the grave.Remember it doesn't take specific things to impress a despondant person it is also not hard to spot a person looking for a sliver of something on faded attachments.They want to hear every thing is ok so she may help some people but if that altruistic behavior is only a front then she should be investigated as a fraud.
Well one things for sure, we can't say she's fake just cause we think she is.
Examine you statement.
We can not say she is fake because we think she is.
I have enough knowledge and research about the methods she uses to prove that she is doing that.I am not out to disprove the fact that she contaccts spirits that passed over.I do havew enough for an educated questioning of here claim.Just because you have a faith based belief does not make what you think she does real,yet I acknowlage that she does appear to be a good intuitive reader of people.as far as her conviction that she sees spirits well I could careless.
Its like people may go to see her because they think she is a good intuitive person just like she sort of admits but she insist on portraying her spirit guide.It would be like a magician that ackually thinks things appear out of nowhere or that he really is cutting a person in half.I suggest people read Cold Reading...a book written by a former "phycic"con man that accually started a small cult....he did time and ran biz from inside jail.There is nothing wrong with believing in spirits...you can not believe she talks to them and still believe they exsist.But to dismiss the possibility that she is using Skills that have been exposed before
is not possible...they are documented.
attaching spirit and passed over topic to her intuition makes things more personal to the surviours,The pool they commonly draw from.
Ummm, didnt I already make a lot of those same points? haha
In my opinion Sylvia Browne is not to realistic, but twisting some known ideas and assumptions in to brand new scenarios, wich are of course serving their purpouse in Sylvia Browne's personal promotion.
I am not sure if I really believe in this ability or not. I've never been able to experience for myself some one who claims that they can tell me my future or that of world events. I once had a lady approach me in Burger King and say something about the colors of my aura, hand me her card and tell me to come see her. I never did it. But out of sheer curiousity, some day I know that I will.
In any case, the idea that some one can tell us that they are communication with people that we love that have died in comforting on a couple of levels. We want to hear from them, know that they are alright and still with us. As well as for those who are unsure about an afterlife, it lets us know that there really is something after we die.
So, is she a fake? I don't know. I think any one who studies poeple and human nature deep enough, history, and well, I'll say something like profilers, they could do a good deal to make us believe in this ability. Honestly, I really hope that some poeple can have that gift.
I guess the future will tell if she is a fraud or not.
I've seen her predict things, but I never really thought about it. All the times I've seen her was when she was getting into other peoples' personal lives. Like about dead relatives.
So, from my point of view, I have no idea if she's real or fake. ^_^
I've seen her on Montel and she seems real but questions are popping up.....I mean somethings happen for a reason but if you think about it not all past lives could be human as she mostly clames they can be anything from werewolves to fallen angels......am I right or wrong?
The first way to get a good view of the process she uses is to seperate all the occult "frosting"and get to the readings not the claim source.That way a persons preaccepted views on spirits does not cloud their critical thinking skills.
When I go to a Stage Magicians act,I do not believe that he is cutting a woman in half,I know it is a trick a slight of hand practiced as skill.I can still admire his skill at presenting the entertainment.
The one thing that escapes most people that attend Cold Reading Seminars and such is that there is usually a disclaimer that it is "For Entertainment Purposes only"I researched this and found the origin in chicago there was a flood of Mediums and Challnler there was a trial for a group of woman who where later found to be Wonders who bilked a community out of the very property they lived on.After they where convicted of fraud and thiet by detection a shister commercial lawyer
was hired to create a loop hole for shops to open again and do the same thing under liceses.The Disclaimer went from big postings next to sign to a little foot note in brocures
If you predict enough general events some are bound to happen.
Well I think you and the girl you met last week are on the way to a new level ....I see here becoming more active around you...
lol why you ask because it is spring....not because I am physicic
I don't think anyone who had such talent and wanted to be taken seriously would be such a constant on a show such as Montel. That for me clears her of all credibility. Fraud!
i think most all those t.v phsycics are fakes sylvia, john edwards all them fakes
Yes, indeed Demonic! I believe most of them are fakes as well. I've got my own reasons for believing as such. Most of them are too blinded by greed to have any real power/gift of psychic ability and if they by chance do, they flaunt it in the wrong way.
I believe Sylvia Browne is a fake. I've seen her on Montel many times and it always seems like she guessing at answers.
John Edwards, on the other hand, I believe to be 100% real.
John Edwards and Sylvia Brown both use the same techniques. Its just a slightly different presentation ;)
Well, it depends on if you mean John Edwards the politician or John Edwards the psychic I suppose haha.
I mean John Edwards the psychic LOL
I don't follow politics one bit, they're all lying frauds out to put money in their pockets and their opinions followed by the nation.
My mistake. John Edwards is the politician and John Edward is the psychic. One little letter can make quite the difference.