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Now, I was having a conversation with another Elder here in New Orleans, and she had me thinking. Psi-vamps as energy/prana/whatever feeders are all knowing, or so we hope, in the ways of focusing others energies the right way right?

Then we started discussing the caffeine vampires out there and were wondering why they drink energy drinks (These are usually the goth kids who think they are psi-vampires or other-kin.)and why they don't just learn the ways of energy drain?

She was telling me of how she always felt entirely hyped up becuase these kids always come into her place of bussiness to by their items of interest, she does not normally feel this way. Then at the end of her shift, she had fed off of soo much energy that it was literally exhausting her.

Put into her own words, she basically asked why they drink the energy drinks when they say they can drain the mundane populous? It was obviously taking a toll on her.

My question is would you feel completely drained after you were subjected to a crowd of hyper individuals? Please explain why or why not?

A good question indeed.

I am never drained when exposed to a group of hyper individuals, since I easily identifie with the way they act, I easily merge with the level and the expression of their energies, resulting in a pefect feeling of strong energie flowing trough my body and my mind. It is my pleasure spending time with the turbo-youth of todays. It is invigorating, it is what life worth living is.

i dont have the energy handling, im a sang vampire, but ... one day i was in the shopping center and there was some gathering because some band was there and there were hundreds of goth kids there all of them talking and when i had to walk through them... i felt something like if i wanted to run and run and run... i felt kinda energetic... it wasnt bad for me... i think i absorbed a bit of their energy... but it felt good... now i insist, i dont have the energy handling and im not a psi vamp...

yeah i do feel drained in a large group of people but you never know i may be drained myself

I only feel drained when surrounded by a hyper group when I am the substitute teacher :) . That is really draining....Otherwise defenses are useful.

The only time I feel a drain is if the crowd is running in a negative context. If the crowd is primarily light hearted positive individuals, I feel more charged or amped after being around them, but if they are running with black hearts in a negative fashion, it can be devastating if I am not warding myself.
In general I just tend to avoid crowds so I do not have to sort them out... Might be horribly different if I had to be around many in an employment scene, I would probably come down with some disease from the untoward contact.

A small answer for my own question is as follows...

As I am around many individuals on a constant basis, being in New Orleans and working at a hotel, I do feel the possitive and the negative, both give me undo feelings for which I have remedies for.

It is almost like a butterflies in the stomach feeling, an empathic seizure if you will. Sometimes it gives me a headache if it is negative, the positive gives me the feeling of having an anxiety or panic attack at times when it is too strong.

These energies I absorb on a constant basis. Does not mean I am a psi-vamp, these names mean very little to me, as they just describe stereotypical response on a mental basis. So I am just relating to the word, as it best describes my outward demeanor.

In a large crowd, no matter their energies, I always, always feel overwhelmed. To the point where I need to back out and walk into an empty area if there is too much going on.

In small groups, I tend to stay by myself since most of the energies feel as though I am not wanted in the general vicinity.

I do get what my friend is saying though, most of the time, I tend to absorb alot of the hyper active individuals, and feel as they feel. But I also learned at an early age to control the emotions and energies taken from them. Martial Arts is a good trade to practice the prospective of energy vibration control.

Am I bother by them? All the time, but this is where control comes into play...Practice makes perfect is my advice on this level playing field.

We are each of us unique.

Personally I think that different types ie....hyper/manic/enraged can have an effect on all of us in one way or another.

It may have nothing whatsoever to do with 'feeding' as such.

I completely relate to your friend, but I am still very new at trying to control my energy flow either in or out, so I tend to be affected by the "general" mood.. If those around me are hyper, I end up very hyper, if they are sad, I end up depressed, if tired, I end up drained... I think it is a very good question as to why they drink the energy drinks though..

Andaeryk

You sound as if you may be empathic more than anything else.

Re energy drinks.....well they go hand in hand with todays 'youth culture'....and some of em taste nice lol

I agree with the above. If you're empathic you'll feel the emotions and energy flow off of another person. I know that's why it stinks being in a crowd of people. Like at school.

I actually feel more energized when in a hyper group of people.....
I feed off their energy. The more hyper the better for me.

When I feel run down its usually from working and not being around too many people so I seek out the large groups on purpose to re-charge so to speak.

Well, I'm already technically hyper, so I don't think that would apply to me.

i feel drained after being in any type of crowd, or exposed to many people all day. i would feel more drained the more hyper the people are though. a reason why i never did the club scene very well or large social events like concerts.

i hit enter too soon, sorry
the reasons for my feeling that way has to do with how much is going on around me, it's hard to take it all in and not feel overwhelmed. the higher energy people have the more i have to take in and process and the more mentally and emotionally challenging i find it to keep up. so i avoid places where i possibly would find crowds, and stick to smaller gatherings.
it's better when i know the people around me well too.

i feel as if i am recharged in group situations..

I do not claim to be a psy-vampire first of all but I can tell you that crowds of people especially todays youth while at first give me energy, after a short amount of time I feel completely exhausted by them. I find that the energy they exude is just too much and gets on my nerves. I just want to get away. Makes me very uptight and tense.

I really like this ? I actually believe in transfer of energies between humans. I, if around a large crowd become energized, if the crowd is having a positive experience a concert etc... If the crowd is solumn, say a buriel for Someone famous who died. I would then be sad and feel drained.

It might just be simply that having a group of caffiene junky kids in your place of business is wearing. I can't say what it is like to have them in your business, but I have teenagers that sometimes have their friends over to the house. I am on the constant lookout for kids drinking or bringing in alchohol. I'm not going to have a bunch of underage people drinking in my house. The constant vigilence is tiring.

I don't know that they take energy from me, but I expend energy when they are around.

There is also the simple case that some people enjoy crowds, they are called extroverts, some don't, they are called introverts.

Somebody with a over amt. of energy probably does just not know how to control it that is my opinion.

But that is just a mainstream answer.

What I feel is that it may be true because I am all so constantly tired and want to rest because I feel the energy of others.

But all so maybe she is bored witht the job she has there are many factors that could take into account with this.

I say this because everybody is different so maybe the way they feed is different to the next.

What it sounds like to me is she gets over charged and that can drain you. Maybe she needs to ground off some of the energies or store them for later use, because you can overcharge your system and it will have a negative effect on you and actually bring you down.

I myself tend to be very careful feeding off of crowds and people due to the emotional baggage that they carry with them and sheild myself very well from the emotional bagage, because everyone has some and I have enough of my own.

Hyper active teens are great but just don't overdue it.Just like with anything else use in moderation and do not overfeed.

I wouldn't call myself an introvert, but I definitely get flattened on a psychic level in crowds. So I tend to avoid them.

I jhave an annual pass to a large theme park... talk about people around! Just learned to seal myself off or giving or receiving, makes the difference. However, I have been known to just open up some to collect, but that's few and far between.

when I am around hyperactive people I try to neutalize them with my energy, I don't know why I do this but I feel the need to when I feel they are off balance. I like to surround myself with positive energy I guess to refuel to keep myself charged because when I get around people who are negative or down I feel a pull but again I have the need to charge them. I don't understand why I do this.

If one can control the flux of activity then one could perhaps absorb"digest" what is presently "ingested".Then channel it into improving the charicteristics of the 'product".

Summary being picky about the finger food and awaiting the hand samm with all the trimmings.Some may even find that they are not "nurished after feeding from a "donor"and needs victims to feed from those degrees of variation and the fiction base of the topic leave a wide spectrum of possible openings.I would work to write it up like this in a vampire tale.this thread helped me see a little better the psi vamp insight.

dabbler - thanks for the more detailed explaination... I thought thats what you meant but it's better explained with real food :)

Yea if we metaphored them into beverges it would be like surving watered down coolade to to everybody out front but the vintage bottles flow in the inner circles cheap bererages will give you only so much of what you invest into the product if you walk down to a conviance store to build a party bar then cheap is what you get.The possibility to get scripted into dramas increase as well.That is favoritism recognized by to frequent donors.Then beware oh do beware there are those who would taint you with arcane links or counter measures.

Given the way I am I might be flying some while I am around them.

But when they left I would crash.

If someone that was a psi vamp used energy to persue would be victims then the intensity of the draining will be more pronounced.

I dont ever really feel drained by others wo well hyperactive...it just adds fuel to my fire and gives me the boost I need to make it through the rest of my day. It really helps cheer me up as well when I am having a bad day. I love interacting with these youths...they always give me a reason to smile when they come in!

I think there are many types of energy.
People on energy drinks will burn out as fast.. and maybe those who feed on emotions feel that like a oil well fire put out by an explosion.

I know there are different types of energy … sexual is one… and in a gang fight totally different.
Iv felt empathy n sympathy …. Meant nothing much…. I guess for me it’s pain or pleasure and both can be mistaken at times lol

For me, the situation would tear me up.

I am one who prefers peace, quiet, and solitude, or at least orderly chaos (like a dance club or a concert).

But if I were to go to a party or club were there were a bunch of noisey, random, hyperactive folks running around, I'd have to get out ASAP.

Would some view the intense kinetic chaotic energy surge like being an adrenalin junkie? Nothing worse when coming off an adrenalin rush.

i have to do admit, there are theres that feels like there aint no drop of energy in me at all..those are the days that i just sleep away for days at a time...

Well, I am one of those hyper kids and do feel like I drain others around me when they pass by, but I crash evenually.

crash? how

a special guy in my life once told me, i need to feed and badly.....he said that once after i desscribed how i was feeling.

i told him "it feels like im freezing but yet my body is warm, im shivering but yet im not cold, im hungry but regular food makes me sick to my stomach"

:P

I know that when I'm around people with all that fake energy they make me edgy and figity.... much like if i were to be hopped up on monsters and redbulls... I could imagine she is drained after because she crashes just like other people do after drinking energy drinks.... because its not "real energy" then it bruns the vitamins and calories up leaving the person who drank the energy drink nothing to fall back onto when the rush was over.... i cans ee where it would be similar to a psi vamp. Absorbing false energy burns the energy they have leaving them nothing when the false energy is gone

I still get somewhat edgy when in a large crowd and feel emotionally drained afterwards. I think this is primarily to being in Iraq and the feeling of awareness and "high alert" whenever there was a large gathering of people...

basically post traumatic stress disorder.

I am adapting to this slowly but surely, but still find myself feeling vulnerable when in such situations. I went to Mardi Gras to attempt to acclimate myself further to large crowds. I feel I will only get over this problem if I face it head on...I did this alone.
I made it.
Yet still...that energy drain still happens.

Unless I shield, I often feel drained in large crowds, because I'm empathic to a large degree. When I was small, I didn't understand that everyone didn't feel what I could feel, but then I learned that I couldn't tell people these things because it made them uncomfortable. I have started to cry just because a very sad little boy walked by me, and that's just one example of many, so I am careful about the types of crowds in which I hunt for energy. This is also one of the reasons I work the night shift, when I have the building mostly to myself. I can always put up a shield in a draining crowd, but sometimes the quality of the crowd is such that it's just as draining to keep the shield up as it would be to leave it down. I imagine that different sorts of crowds affect people differently, too, as everyone has their particular preferences and dislikes.

Not all psi-vamps know what they are doing. I never understood what I was doing until I learned how to control it. Most of those kids (if they really are psi-vamps) just need some one show them how to take the energy they need. Instead of finding it in a drink.

As for feeling drained when around hyper crowds, That has happened to me. If you over take then your going to feel like crap. Just like over eating.

I had never really thought about my distaste for large crowds till I read this. I do not feel drained by other people. But since I have to ramp up my shields to keep them out.. and me from reaching out for the energy.. I do drain myself a bit more than if I am alone.

I think it depends on the person...some people that have responded to this forum are drained while others celarly state that they are not. So I think it all lies in what you dowith the energies you are absorbing. No I have never felt drained by "hyper" teens.

I don't tend to get drained at all around hyper people but I do end up feeling jittery myself. There just seems to be so much unfocused energy that you don't know what to do with it so I tend to start blocking it when I feel that it is to much. Other wise just like eating food if you get to much you are going to feel tired and want to have a nap

To consume so much energy that you yourself feel drained and exhausted?

That is a good question. I think it could be possible, afterall, you take in too much caffeine in your body and it has the opposite affect of what it was originally supposed to do.

I myself am very sensitive when it comes to crowds, so I tend to avoid them at all costs. Even when I go to a concert, I have to be right in the front row or off to the side, just so long as I'm not in the middle of everything otherwise it's an energy overload. I've almost collapsed in a crowded restaraunt once, and even at Borders when there were a lot of people in the store.

I would think that these kids who are hyped up on energy drinks aren't doing it to enhance their psi-vamp abilities. I work at the mall and from what I see with kids and teenagers, they're naturally more hyper than adults. Many of them are probably too young to even be aware of the energy they are putting out.

I often feel drained around hyper people. My head starts to hurt, I start to feel dizzy, and usually I leave the area. I'm not really sure why, I guess it's because I always enjoyed being alone or in quiet places.

Of course you feel drained. If you "feed" off energy and consume too much you will have too much energy. Those of us know at sometime you must "release that energy. "Grounding" In a world full of energy in the "ebb and floe" there is no question that people must have cycles of energy or you burn out. People who are PSI vampires so to speak dont understand the "concepts" behind and in their hectic gogogo world must see that at sometime you will have to "sleep" and recharge. Or have a holiday to get away to get perspective. I know mostr of you are either noding and agreeing or you have a confused look on your face.. Look inside take the time and understand the way of the world and everything will be alright. Thank you.

I do not think I would be drained..it is the body that has the caffeine influence,not the energy itself.Two different things really, the body and a drug is not connected to the energy of the body.

Yes, I have worked a similar job to that of your friend and had the same thing happen.

Not sure 100% why that happens but my children do it to me too. Even when they are calm. My little girl was sick about a month ago and she just wanted to lay on me all day. So I held her 99% of the day . We did not do much just hung out on the sofa and watched movies but by her bed time I was so drained that I too had to go to bed.

I have found that being surrounded by such individuals to be almost like a sugar rush great while it lasts but you hit the ground pretty hard and your pretty exhausted from the experience. I like to use shields to filter the energy through so I am getting it in small doses and can enjoy the energy without the drain later.

it is a very good question

but know i dont i think it is bucause i am a naturaly hyper person my self so i think i am just use to that kind of energy

Quite frankly I think we should get away from this sang, psi silliness...we all absorb (well some of us do, lol) energy from various sources and I don't think its about types...I think its about preference. Similar to one person likes broccoli and another hates it.

Many I know are empathic and they are of either although most often identified with psi I find that is not always the case, nor abilities to weild the energy...I believe there is an inate ability but some just aren't good at it, lol. We are not the only ones that can manipulate energy and it can be learned and feeding from energy can be learned but that doesn't necessarily mean its a necessity or perhaps nothing more than a mental obsession to do this thing due to contact with others. Many magickians work with energy manipulation. I have been invited to tourneys where they do many things but I found it unethical and didn't participate.

I draw in energy from a variety of sources except blood. Too much of a metaphysical background and health oriented that I don't, even though there is a draw of sorts...I won out in the end. Despite all the hype about it. I'm an Aries with a very strong will and nothing controls me...thats how I feel about it.

BUT in a crowd and even over the internet I can pick up energy and have done and some in large amounts causes me to get in a giddy drunken like state but drained perhaps depending on energy source but I don't hang out in goth places so never been around many. Its not of interest to me unfortunately I guess. I have had someone literally pass out when talking to me over the phone after spending an evening with me previously and called me when they got home and I did nothing overt to cause that I am aware of but it happened anyway...that pesky subby. Caffeine does not affect me when I drink it so I don't believe excess energy from others drinking it would I am too shielded most of the time. I'm not sure I understand this concept of feeling drained but I guess one could with an overload of high energy.

i am not around those youths, they annoy me, ive found that being in groups though does help. psy one-on-one feeding can be troublesome, its alot easiest to try to get the energy you need from everyone, plus it has less of the negative affect on those around you.

its like taking one spoonfull from everyone at the lunch in HS versus stealing a whole lunch from some poor kid.

but back to the question, the hyper energy that is associated with those kinds of products would prolly give the same result to the person feeding from them, most likely they would get a boost themselves more then the usual.

Now I am only human, but I did have someone once tell me that they would get drained by a group of girls who were drama queens. Just walking past them would make him feel like he wanted to sleep.

i feel drained sometimes but it depends on who is in the crowd feeding off the same energy

i have a hyper active daughter who just wears me the hell out. I end up drinking energy drinks to deal with her, and work.. patients in a hospital will drain you dry also... not sure why they do... other then just being needy and lonely

i get draned when there is negativity around me. and when i am ina hospital too.

I fell drained with a room full of normal people

I myself thrive off of hyper crowds as well as Theeladyhawk, I find the more hyper the more I feed off the energy that they are putting out .

yet if someone is depressed or down around me it totally drains me..

i feel the oppisite when i am in a crowd of people. i feel so alive afterwords so she might be giving instead of taking?

In a crowd of people i fell all hyper and energetic.

It may not be that she feels drained in the group but rather when the group is gone if you are recieving energy from people and then you get to far away from then to continue recieving that energy you come back down and sometimes that make you feel more warn out then you were before.

I am always stimulated by large groups of people whether they are positive or negative... especially while on the vr... The energy surrounds my soul like a whirlpool in the ocean... constantly circling with a roar of motion...

yeah i do feel drained in a large group of people but you never know i may be drained myself .

i sometimes feel drained, but depends on the mood and energy of the room, and the type of people that are there

The only time i feel drained in a group of people is if the energy is negative.

if only for the reason that it would annoy me that perky upity so-in-so's were around me all day. drained in that aspect, i spose the enthusiasm would rub off on me eventually.

I do... but it's hard for me to pin point what causes it... the Hyper people I've hung with aren't psi's... at least not that I know of... hmmmm... I'll have to look into that...

I wouldn't feel drained, but more rejuvenated as it were.