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Consider this theory:

Life, and everything that will happen, has on some level already happened. The Universe is like a big gallery with everything already set out, and we are like visitors walking through the gallery with no guidebooks to tell us what's coming next. Diviners and psychics are able to predict the future because their minds have learned to tap into the bigger picture and see events that have already happened in the 'future'...essentially owning a page or two of the gallery guidebook.

I forget where I heard about this but I remember it intrigued me because it would mean that no matter what we did as individuals, it would make no real impact on the world's events.

What are your thoughts on it?

i like to imagine these things and think douglas adams was onto something when he said that "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.There is another theory which states that this has already happened"

thats kind of parallel to the future having happened .. like a loop that gets wonkier every time it goes around.

I think it is possible. That we all could be on a path of what should be.

I don't believe that at all. Our time here is never all for not. One of my favorite quotes come to my mind here :
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. ~Mahatma Gandhi
The world is always changing, cycling, evolving in pace with how we change as individuals and often much faster and we can in more ways than we know have the potential to effect the course of such change. Life and our part in the cycle is never purposeless, unless we decide to make it that way. All of us can effect the future even by just changing our own mental outlook. A positive mental outlook would do way more good then harm ofcourse. Being the change we want to see in the world, will project that onto the future. Ending this war in Iraq for example, will preven a future of more soldiers lost for no reason and innocent children & army men getting their legs blown off accidentally by landmines .and such.

Time,life,and the future is not set in stone...we have free will and can change what we do...you have choices...nothing is preset for you.The future hasn't happened yet because we choose to not do something...even if it feels like we already have (ala deja'vu)

I try not to think about tomorrow or the past I just try and live in the present

I think this is a plausable theory, since the words "Destiny" and "Fate" are established variables in the equation, even though these two distinct words have not been proven as of yet.

Nostradamus did have valid predictions as to what the future of his time held, and therefore if he could see into a future that had already happened, then it gives your theory a bit more validity.

As well as tools of divination, just the universe helping out in any way it can to get the individual to come to the realization that, perhaps the future, or what we know as the future has already been written, perhaps we just don't know it since we do not know how to communicate on that high of a level with the universe.

This would also justify the quantum mechanics as well as the machinations of the stars. If we could see and or travel into the future much like the move: Paycheck with Ben Affleck and Uma Thurman, then indeed...It would put a whole new twist on things.

Some people believe that there is a whole other world out there just like this world - this earth....and that people there are just like us here.......doing the same things we are doing at the same exact moment. Parallel universe. So yes I think the future has happened and is happening every moment of every day. Can't prove it though.... just theories of things I've heard and read.

I have heard of the theory that this is our living hell, and that life is another dimension in some far away place...

I think that that is possible but I like to think that we have a impact on what goes on in the world

I think I agree with what Darkwolfman said earlier. We all have free will. Our future can be changed by the choices we make. Of course, that could be just the way it's designed to look to us. But I think there would be no real point to all our existence if everything has already happened. Or, is life just like a big movie?? Nah, I don't agree with that idea....

I believe you have just blown my mind... I guess I never thought about it. Ever... It makes sense now when people say that like you already have a path laid out for you, or something.

I've read this idea before in a book years ago. That all time and space etc is like a big static thing that we see clearly as we walk through it.
This theory, if I recall the book from my childhood, is called the 'table' or 'dinner table' theory or something. Weird name I know but that's what I remember.

I love the movie Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow in it - and believe in the idea that there is a parallel plane/universe/what-have-you occurring at exactly the same time as ours. I have thought about what psychics see when they are able to predict the future - is what they are seeing like a video that has been pre-recorded that only they are able to view?? Surely there must be some merit to the future-already-happened theory if they can see the future?

In part yes. According to quantum theory all things that can possibly happen will.
And according to similar theories all things that can or will happen has happened. But to say that we have no choice in the matter or (as someone said) our lives are pointless is a total misunderstanding of the idea.

Just because something has happened doesn't mean it has to happen.

You see our universe functions a lot like a system of binary answers (yes, no, 1, 0) and with each 1 answer (you made an action) the time line splits and creates a new universe where a 0 happened (you didn't make the action).

All of this leads up to a universe full of inifinite parallel universes every few trillionths of a second.

However that doesn't mean that there are now an infinite number of these universes. Some are opened (continues to make 1's) and others are in a closed system (continues to make 0's). The 0 universes will usually poof themselves out of existance within a short period of time. Yes, with each parallel universe comes more universes parallel to them but in the grand scheme of things the numbers are kept relatively low due to causality etc.

So, does that mean that we can not change our universe? Not at all, we have the free will to make any action, just because something should have happened doesn't make it happen. If you make an action that was not going to happen then you've split the universe in-two. Because time, past, present and future are technically happening at the same moment we are able to weave in and out of these parallel universe, merging them with ours.

But there is a catch. Let's say you could travel back in time, the act of traveling back in time would then create an alternate universe to the one you were wanting to get to so technically your not in the original universe, your in a parallel one. So you can't change the "future" as it were, in other words the Grand Father Paradox is an impossibility.

And, since OUR universe functions in a linear fashion the time line is set, but not always the actions. This also prevents others from a parallel universe from altering our universe. Thankfully when you introduce multiple dimensions you get to a literal point where all the infinite universes, times and actions come together and are made a single point. Then they split off and carry on their way. One might suggest that at this point there is God (the All being, Source etc. not the religious ideas).

I hope I didn't confuse you too much :)

Ow X hurt my brain reading that lol :p But that was a good point you made :)

i bloody hope not lol

my PAST is bad enough:)

~Xxavier~ just got me thinking. If one were to travel into the past, due to time travel according to him, it would be created as a parallel universe. Therefore I am assuming that as the quantum mechanics operate, if that same individual were to return to his/her own time, would that again lead to another parallel universe? Much like the concept the Telly show: Sliders had with its storyline.

Makes one think as to when time travel does become probable, does that individual actually return to their own universe or a seperate one such as when looking into a mirror. A looking glass theory if you will.

SoulShroude:

No it wouldn't, but good thinking. You see scince we originated from this universe we are bound to it. Imagine walking along a broad path (our universe) and then taking a small foot path off to the side (parallel universe) while on the small path we may get turned around and taken off to other areas but we can always find our way back. The same with going forward in time.

When it comes to time travel it is our actions themselves that causes change, not our presence.
Now if you were to time travel multiple times you would run a greater risk of causing a "tear" in the fabric of space-time thus getting "lost" forever.

Any travel runs this risk but it is relativly low for each single time.

I see your point. As if the DNA strands such as when shifting through dimensional holes, particals are seperated then repaired to their original structure, much like that of time travel as well. Since the body of the first universe is of that universe, the DNA's molecular structure would end up back at its original universe because of this reaction...Hmmm, possible.

its very interesting but hopefully not true as i love free choice !!

My father and I have talks about things like this all the time. Yes , if you can open your mind enoough to entertain this , it seems it is possible. Like as if "life" is a re-run . The universe is so humbling , if you can grasp its infinity.

I was told that if you experience Deja Vu about something then you are on the right or same path.
It is a very interesting topic to think about as if something or someone/or persons have laid out people's lives and some kind of fate or destiny for us all. However if free will in fact exists for us, there would be no specific direction a person HAS to go. The future or paths could be changed, even changed should one see what was to come. Question really is whether or not we really need to change our paths but I think in time that would become obvious depending on what occurs during our lifetimes.

I do not think it has happen yet hate to think we locked into fate means everything just happing

i think it is possible.
i could be....
to some extent, i think that the world and the events in the world are planned out...
but i think a lot of it is improvised, no script or possible plan of events that follows a pattern...

I believe the futre has happened and the past is still happening, but it's always been now!

Xzavier - I wish that I could say that you confused me but alas I can not. I do agree with what you have stated. I would honestly like to think that what we do as a person does stand for something or can possibly change things somewhere.

Future has not happened yet, but some times life is our future life is what we make it.
You can tap in to some ones future, and live it now but then it wouldnt be worth waiting to see what is stored for us, we all have something stored for us,
You have to make the best of what your life is now not worry about the future

Xzavier - I also tend to agree with your words. Yet, we must also all realize that each action that we do is as a pebble stiking the surface of the water.
We see the visible ripples, yet there is movement above and below the stone. The ripples themselves cause movement and so what I am saying is that each action does indeed carry a consequence.
We all influence what is to be by the actions that we are manifesting at each moment.

Really good question. I don't think the future has already happened. I think people being the individuals that we are..mm just there are too many variables to think this is already planned out.That we are going thru the motions if you will.

I'm more into the belife of a "Multi-verse" Which consist's of different outcome's for the same situation....And that doesnt explain what a multiverse is >.<

Wikipedia it, I'm adamant it will entertain you.

in quantum theory as stated before any number of things are possible. a gentleman said that everything thats possible is going to happen, i dont think thats true. everything isnt going to happen. at least not when your watching it. hard to explain.

I believe, as another wise VR member has quoted, "thoughts are things!" As soon as you begin to think about events in the present, whether conscious or subconscious, you begin to shape the events of your future. Just my opinion.

i do believe in some sense the future has already happened. i have stated before on here that we relive our lives over and over changing the path little by little till we get it right

Future : Definition

ADJECTIVE:

That is to be or to come; of or existing in later time.

There is no future and there is no past, there is only now, what we think is the past are just implanted false memories, what we think is the future is simply a void, only the now is real.

I dont belive the future is et out. I belive we create now what will be the future and that we can change it.

this is called fate.
A simple term used in numerous accounts
fate is basically what is going to happen will happen no way to change it. I personally believe this is a fallacy if fate this would mean any decision we make is futile because it will already be made.

Fate doesn't exist...you make your own choices...either good or bad...but choices you make...make your future.



Definition for Fate from Dictionary.com

fate (ft)

NOUN:
The supposed force, principle, or power that predetermines events.
The inevitable events predestined by this force.


Nothing makes my future for me but me.

life would be no fun if we knew everything was going to happen next, life is a complete mystery and it wouldn't be meaningful if we knew each and every moment.

So we just sit back and do nothing.. A good reason to be lazy.. to make no effort to interact with the world.. no the bast way to read predict the future is to perticapate in creating it.

Had our ancesters thought this what would we lack?

If the future has already happened, wouldn't that make it the past or would it be post pre-present?

I think the end result of what we accomplish in our life is pretty much set but how we get there is our path to choose

People that wish the future was predictable.. are they that bored with here and now.. I predict they will only be bored again when the future arrives, if your future is predictable.. that could mean you are a predictable person.. so your future is grim.. you let expected things foretold to you carry more weight then the things you could do.

dabbler what i am saying is that I believe your lifes outcome is predetermined. The unpredictable part is how u get there

Your life isn't predetermined...nothing is set in stone...the choices you make...make your future...its not like everything you do is already planned and you just follow the yellow brick road.If you believe that your life is preset...then you have no free will.

Predetermined.. well then I will look into that.. thanks for the clarity.. I could have been on a tangent from the thread..

Here is what I read in the thread..

"Diviners and psychics are able to predict the future because their minds have learned to tap into the bigger picture and see events that have already happened in the 'future'...essentially owning a page or two of the gallery guidebook." So since they have the scoop lets stop some of the unneeded suffering.. where are the psychics when a little child is beaten to death on the side of a road.. I mean in that should have been a big "page" in the gallery.. no I am not putting much stock in the predestined thing either.. it just seems to encourage people to think that they can expect something without interacting and learning.

i think that the future has already been predetermined. however, we can't know exactly what will happen because we can't see into it. well, some people claim to, and for all i know they may be able to, but they're only human and bound to misinterpret things occasionally.

or reinterpete after words..

true, people have a habit of doing that to "prove" they were right

I accidently published this in the other time thread..


So then why not the past.. I mean why the future.. was the past so boring as well. I can predict the future .. if I was able to go back to the past.. then I could ask a person if they really thought obsessing over time and letting it pass uneventfully is any way to effect the future likelihood that something eventful will happen.

Nah...we make and shape our future by what we do and the choices we make.

how do you know those choices aren't predetermined?

that and keeping our resources adabtable to unknown things.. trends can be monitored but that is not foretelling the future, just setting a foundation for potential scheduling.

I don't know...that it just what I believe.

Due to the fact that my life is ever changing, I just can't see everything being etched in stone because everything could change with me in the blink of an eye.

I just cannot see life being on a predetermined path when we have to make so many life choices.

Like waiting for the curtain.. and hoping someone gives us a last minute heads up.. instead of enjoying the time on stage.. for all the rehearsal you did to make it to opening night..

good answer. i, however, believe that everything is predetermined and chance is merely an illusion created to allow humanity to cope with the universe.

I am glad someone posted a topic of this sort. I also believe that the future has already happened. I believe and have evidence that a time machine has been invented to due to advanced higher intelligence. Certain things has been removed from our past. Just be on the lookout, if someone has made a discovery of some sort. Either an object or something that we have in our present day somehow existed in a previous age or millenia.

I beileve that the future is set, but our actions can change it. This would allow phycics to see what lies ahead of us, but if they were to tell you tomarro when you visit mcdonalds your going to be hit by a car, an unforcene force will not take you to mcdonalds if you choose a differant path. The future may be lined out, but not set in stone and we can change our futures.

future is a noun is it not?

i cant think of how to describe something as noun. maybe futuristic. or futurey. haha its not a description. it is a thing, now isnt it? i know your not the lexicographer (spelling? haha the irony is killing me!)

it's only interesting until you waste a week pondering the implications of it

so you belive that fate controls us and everything we are to do is already predestined?

Life predestined is existence without meaning. The future cannot possibly be set in a determined path, for such a future would be one without individual choice, even down to the ability to choose to respond to this thread or to not respond to it.

Rather, the future is a network of simultaneously occurring possibility. Just as I, in this reality, have chosen to respond to this thread, so have I, in an alternate reality, chosen to not respond to this thread. These interlocked future possibilities represent the pathway of the whole. Every choice, every possible future is a page of the gallery guide; neither of which actually exists until we decide to go to the Impressionist wing or the Modern Art wing.

It is only after the decision is made that the next passage of the gallery becomes reality. The other? It fades into meaninglessness... or perhaps it too becomes a reality in which another dimension of the self will travel. Such a theory posits that the self travels among many paths and splits at every choice to explore the other opportunity.

In this line of thinking, not only is the future already written, but all possible futures are written and explored by the self in a simultaneous overlapping fashion.

hmm thinking about it certain things have come to pass that would be consider the futur for those who are our elders things that they never thought possible but as for me in this present life I think that we are all resposible for and have the free will to decide and do and undo what is in our path

No matter what we do, it will have some impact on the worlds events whether it is big and small noone knows.

I am a firm believer in cause and effect and everything we do has a consequence which can be big or small and sometimes, an action can have multiple consequenses not only affecting your life, but lives of others.

I do however think that the presented theory is interesting Maledicta.

I'm curious....who determines when we get something right? Who's to say that it isn't right the first times and all the other times we've possibly had living in the world? That would only indicate that some people believe that a higher power that doesn't actually give us free will... that we're on a "program" trying to correct ourselves until we learn something new?

If time travel is possible, we wouldn't know unless they told us. they could change the course of our future or our past and we wouldn't even know it, we'd wake up the next day and our new past would be the one we've always known.

well everyone has Deja ' vue and so to me anything is possible because nothing is a guarantee in life .

we live to learn making mistakes and changing all the time so who is to really say this can not be possible .. an opinion is all.

i believe it possible, but i also believe we are where we are meant to be at the same time.

I believe it is possible on another plain however on this plain we dont have to follow the same path we can make our own.

I tend to think so, I believe that the future has been already mapped out and we can change or alter our future by the path we select.

Interesting post Genesis.

If we consider light cones then we can see how the future is already mapped out - (my own personal opinion).

What does this mean existentially? What's the point of life if we can't choose our own path? What ever happened to free will? Free will, like the perception of past, present, and future, is an illusion - albeit a persistant and convincing one. Our existence just is.

The next logical argument is "why not just lay down and do nothing?" Because we are living organisms, and unless you reach a certain level of enlightenment or depression, your body will not simply let you lay down and die.

"But I can choose to read or not read this thread. That's freedom of choice." - Certainly it is. But that's the persistant illusion. If you choose anything, it is based on the path you are already walking.

Time can be demonstrated by the following graphic: Click here Scroll over the toroid to watch the motion. The center column is the past, that coming out of it the present, and the future is the outermost boundry. Hence we have all states of time occuring simultaneously.

I have read before in books about time not really existing...its all an illusion...because past,present, and future are all happening on different planes of existance.
Is this true? I have no idea untill I study it more and maybe even then only when I pass from this Earth in body. I do say it alot, though, "Time is but a man made illusion to measure increments of passage".

Wolfsbohne, very comprehensive post. I can understand time as we delineate it --- past, present, and future existing simultaneously. While I don't believe in free will in the pure sense, and I deplore the "anything is possible" summary so many are fond of, I wonder where chaos theory enters into this.

I wonder if when describing future, there is room for "potential" where unpredictable human choices determine outcome.

Blondii makes use of a good quote, Ade I follow the circluer post. A linear dominated projection in a circluir universe would appear to be predetermined existance, with a narrow range of research one can pick-up on trends.. but the fact that something can be determined to happen.. leaves such a default to those that lean toward Theist Agnosticism.

Well said Onyxcruiser. String theory based on individual perception=current perceived relativity.

"I wonder if when describing future, there is room for "potential" where unpredictable human choices determine outcome."

Just because our vision is limited doesn't mean human choices are ever unpredictable. And I don't buy into the Chaos Theory. It's very hard to swallow.

It's interesting that I can be so skeptical about valid scientific theory, but supportive of occult studies that have been discarded as "hocus pocus".

i live day by day, but i am sure its possible...
i really do not think about it thow..

i think that everything that will happen is just a hashed up version of something that has already happened. there's only so many things that can happen and then it's just combinations of already-happened things.

i've wondered that myself. mabey thats were deja vu comes from? its a very interesting prospect.

I was recently reading a book, and it aroused in me a similar question.

The book is about a young girl who snuck onto the starship of an intergallactic agency which protects "Younglings" from destroying their worlds and themselves.

You see, the girl and her people came from the highest possibly developed human beings... to the point in which everybody had psychic powers, knew how to work extremely advanced technology, etc. "Younglings" are other humans of different planets and universes, most of whom are unaware that other humans even exist. Essentially, it seems like time travel, however it all takes place at one time. One planet may be the past... another, the future.


Its a bit different, but your post reminded me of this.

Well not really sure... I mean the future could already have happened.

If it has already happened then it is not the future.

i try not to think about the future a lot

Wolfsbohne: Just because our vision is limited doesn't mean human choices are ever unpredictable.

Even though "free will" is murky at best, I also don't believe in fate or predestination.

There's a push-me pull-you aspect to human behavior wherein the desire for stasis is continually at odds with the desire for novelty. Somewhere in there the unexpected can happen. This is the twist, the surprise ending. It can change the future that may be already happening. Instant replay with a fix!

Makes sense to me. It's like my theory involved in psychology: There's only a handful of root problems shared amongst everyone, but millions of differing effects from the root problems. Kinda the same deal here...only a handful of reoccurring events, but millions of variations in them. It's comforting, really.

RavenEyes: so you're saying that human behavior cannot be completely predicted?

the future'll happen, its happening. oh you missed it.

i think it dependant totaly on what you choose to believe. overwhelming is the evidence of the thinness of the veil between the ages. the disbelievers bring more to the table everyday to prove yesterday, today. and tomarrow are all happening now. it's something to ponder

honestly no i don't believe that the future has already happened, if it were possible alot more would have already happened to begin with, nothing is a perminate thing, sorry for the bad spelling

BloodMother: "Somewhere in there the unexpected can happen. This is the twist, the surprise ending. It can change the future that may be already happening. Instant replay with a fix!"

You're talking like an author now. Not a bad thing.

The surprise is only unexpected in so far that we, with limited vision, are unable to foresee it. If we had clearer lenses, or perhaps a stronger prescription, things would be made whole to us. Even in the darkest recesses of the mentally infirm, their next move or decision is predetermined by at least themselves.

And nature appalls stasis, regardless of what humans want.

I have often thought the imagies that we are living has already happened for when these imagies stop we shall be on our death beds waiting the next big adventure. slide shows of the past we have and the emotions we felt. for time as we grow older seems to slip faster towards our finaly destintation.

it could be possible that it could have already happened but what if it has not yet then what

I just take thinks as they come

To an extent, yes I believe it's already happened, like "history repeats itself".

I think most stuff has already happened in some shape or form, but everytime it happens again, it's a newer more modern version fitting with the technology we have today. I dont think I'm explaining myself very well here?! LoL

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