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LovelyXDEATH35
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I saw a documentary on this on the travel channel or discovery channel and it discussed the most active "spirits" of witches and how they died and most likely why they haunt the grounds.

It said how most of the witches were believed to have made a deal with the devil and that is how they got the skill in magic. My question is, is that true, is that what really happened, and also any other information about the Salem witch trials that is maybe unknown to the public that people can share?




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a lot of the people were wrongly accused due to ignorance



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It has been speculated that ergot poisoning may have set off the events leading to the Salem Witch Trials.



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i heard that as well and it was blamed that it was evil spirits led in by the slaves that they belived were witches



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2 young girls were being cared for by a Jamaican woman. That woman would occupy the girls with reading their so called future through eggs and water, in the middle of doing this the father came home. Instead of facing the consequences the girls threw tantrums and blamed the woman of being a witch. They then went on to accuse others. That is how the Salem Witch hunt began. Later on, one of the girls, Anne Putnam said she was sorry for it happening. Nathanial Hawthorne had changed his name, it was spelled as Hathorne, he was related to Judge John Hathorne who was one of the judges that overseen the Salem Witch Trials. The House of the Seven Gables, although a work of fiction, was penned by those very Witch trials. Maybe this was Hawthorne's way of saying he was sorry for what his family had put many innocent people through.

www.wikipedia. com is a great source to read up on history:)



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The people who died during th Salem Witch Trials weren't actually Witches. They were wrongly accused by a bunch of little girls who were jealous and bored. And, no. Witches do not get their abilities from the Devil. As a matter of fact, there is no Devil in the Craft, and since Witches practice Witchcraft, you can't truly say that their power comes from the Devil.

You need to understand where the term 'Witch' comes from. It comes from the word Wicca, meaning 'wise one'. The Wiccan religion is, very basically, respecting nature. It goes a bit beyond that, but the core belief is that nature should always be respected. This doesn't just include plants and animals, but people as well. The main law in Wicca is "An harm ye none, do what ye will." As long as you don't hurt anyone, do what you want.

The religion of Wicca as we see it today derives from the ancient Celts and their Pagan practices. Paganism is much older than Christianity. Wicca is actually more of a Neo Paganism than anything else. Pagans also believe in both gods and goddesses, however, as I said before, they do not believe in the devil.



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By the way, a good book to read about what possibly happened during the trials is "The Crucible." It gives really good insight, and all the characters in the book did actually live. (And if you ever get a chance to visit Salem, Mass., I highly suggest you do. Not only is it beautiful, but it's really the one place where you'll get excellent information on the issue. They even have a museum dedicated to the Witch Trials. ^_^)



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ALot of people were wrongly accused of being a witch
and hung,
I do not remember ever reading in the witch trials of any of them being their souls to the devil



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If you ever read "The Crucible" by Arthur Miller, you'll understand that accusations went flying for every and anything then.
i don't see any correlation between deals with the devil and becoming a witch. To some here, that would be considered highly insulting. I'm sure that's not what you're going for with your questions.
As for Salem being one of the most haunted areas... I'm going to have to say that is a typical and relative comment based on the topic and the speaker. Can't the same argument be made for New Orleans? Haiti? Scotland? Ireland? So, no, I can't say I feed into that, however, New England history is rich with all sorts of things of this nature.


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the salem witch trials were the work of three spoiled young girls with to much time on their hands and no sense of boundries. People where killed due to ignorance and superstition. My how the world hasn't changed that much.



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04:55:43 Sep 29 2008
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The salem witch trials were horrible they went around killng people for stupid reasons that didnt even relate to witch craft it was horrible.



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Some things never change, people that are different are feared. Doesn't matter where you are as Dutchess stated.



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Another part of the witch trails was those who use alternative ways of healing other than a doctor were also considered witches because they did not believe in the modern medicine of the time. so the doctors would accuse a local medicine woman of being a witch and have her burned at the stake. It was a good way for doctors to get the competition out of the way. They were just scared of what they did not understand. that is the way we still are today.



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i have heard that something in the bread was setting the young girls off, and they randomly picked off innocent people. i really think it would have been an intresting part of history to have lived through



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Yea, I was going to say that many of the "witches" were accused because other women were jealous of them or felt threatened because they were pretty, or to that effect. Hell, it's the same today, but without the burning of the witches! Pettiness....



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Just thought you'd like this bit of information as found on wikipedia.com about witch hunts, they're still going on in today's world.


Many cultures throughout the world, both ancient and modern, have reacted to allegations of witchcraft either with superstitious fear and awe, and killed any alleged practitioners of witchcraft outright; or, shunned it as quackery, extortion or fraud. Witch-hunts still occur in the modern era in many communities where religious values condemn the practice of witchcraft and the occult.

Witch-hunts against children were reported by the BBC in 1999 in the Congo[12] and in Tanzania older women are killed as witches if they have red eyes.[13] A lawsuit was launched in 2001 in Ghana, where witch-hunts are also common, by a woman accused of being a witch.[13] Witch-hunts in Africa are often led by relatives seeking the property of the accused victim.

In December 1999 a student in Oklahoma, USA was suspended from school for 15 days for allegedly casting spells.[14]


Saudi Arabia
On February 16, 2008 a Saudi woman Fawzi Falih was arrested and convicted of witchcraft and now faces imminent beheading for sorcery unless the King issues a rare pardon. [15]


Indonesia
There have been alleged-witch persecution and public trials in Indonesia, even in the 2000s. Hundreds have died because of persecution. [16]


Britain
There continued to be occasional prosecutions under the Witchcraft Act in the 19th and 20th century. The most well remembered is that of the medium Helen Duncan in 1944, the last person to be imprisoned under the Act. Supposedly the authorities feared that by her alleged clairvoyant powers she could betray details of the D-Day preparations, but the accusations in court centred round defrauding the public. She spent nine months in prison. The last conviction under the act was that of Jane Rebecca Yorke. The Act was repealed in 1951.


I know of one instance of a young teen attending a school in Michigan. She was Wiccan and harassed daily, she commited suicide.



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not at all dutchess that the reason why i asked because the wiccans and witches here seem to have no correlation with the devil and when i heard this i was confused im sorry if that is what it appeared as an insult i had no intentions of that



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Actually, the term witch does not come from wicca. Wicca is a relatively new movement. Witchcraft's ancestry goes back much farther than wicca.

Ever hear the term all wiccans are witches but not all witches are wiccans??



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Everything that i have read on the Salem Witch Trials was that the ones accused were totally innocent of all they were accused of.
There were young girls that had taken ill and no reason could be found for the illness at the time and the false accusations were started against people of the community as was stated above alot of it was caused by ignorance and i believe prejudice as well.
There was a person by name of Linnda Caporael who has done some extensive research into this case and found that ergot poisoning causes the same symptoms those girls had back in 1692.
Here is a link that talks a bit of this.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/ergot.htm



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They were wrongly accused! The people were either jealous or they were afraid because they used another healing method other than doctors... so they would get killed for being different it's so retarded!



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I believe that they were just people the other people didnt like so they found a way to get rid of them



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And it was a pretty stupid thing to do! just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you have the right to take their life!



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The Salem witch trials was a crock of sh*T! They burned, and tortured a bunch of midwives accusing them of being witches. But guess what? They were NOT witches! The Salem witch trials was started by the MEDICAL PROFESSION. If woman got to smart or too strong what did they do? Accused them of blasphemy and witchcraft and burned them. Wow. Aren't men disgusting creatures? Go to your local library, there are a few great books on the subject.



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I can't recall the names of the books but I have read about the subject and every time i do i get really pissed off!
Yea Library's have a good selection of books on this subject



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Ours has an entire wall of books on the occult. And the Salem witch trials. And the ones i read all state the same thing. Innocent slaughter of women. Accused, but not proven. How can you determine if a woman is a witch by whether or not she floats or not when you tie her up and dip her in water??? I DON"T THINK SO! people can be so cruel and sick when their religion is threatened by something. or thier pride is threatened by the strength of a women. men are evil. Watch the movie "The Conquerer Worm" great film on the trials.



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Personally I do not believe that a pact with the Devil has to be made in order for someone to be a witch. If you want to read up on this subject, I suggest starting with Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible". A lot of the information is surprisingly accurate, especially the names.



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Wow...a very interesting thread - thanks, all. There are some historians that believe the mess all started with some richer people in power wanting the land belonging to some poorer people. Either the accusers were put up to it, or their 'attacks' were used to the benefit of the greedy ones to take advantage of the 'land grab' after the accused were stripped of their property and/or executed.



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I saw something on this years ago.. it was bad wheat.
It caused halucinations, and such. It's very sad but a few scientists did some research and thats what it was.



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Shatteredglassheart is right about "The Crucible" with the names and all.

I personally do not feel that there was a pact with the devil. I have heard stories about the land rights thing and another about it being over an affair.
I feel that a lot of people were wrongly accused of this.



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none of them were actual witches, it was just people wanted land and stuff, so they accused them; the trials were in salem execution in danvers & if you ever go to salem dont go to the museum its so boring & fake just go shopping & to the haunted houses, theyre amazing



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Like everyone else said it was just a bunch of bored girl who couldn't take the blame for there actions sounds similar to what happens today. I also believe the devil has little or nothing to do with the craft granted I really dont know shit about it anymore kinda fell out of the loop. I think what a witch does is based on the kinda person they are. The fight between good and evil and the balance of life.



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From what I heard, it was from a certain type bacteria that was in the wheat. The bacteria was not destroid when it was cooked, so when the ppl ate it hte bacteria made them hullusinate and freak out.



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good point nightstalker excuse me i have been mistaken you are right not all witches are wiccans



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i have never heard of any devil doings in the case of the salem witch trials however, back then that was probably what townsfolk came up with as a reasoning behind it all.
also it is truly not even known if their really were witches or if everyone that was accused during that time was actually wrongly accused and killed because of that.
i do believe that could be a better source for the cause of haunting, the spirits of those wrongfully accused.



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The word "witch" has different connotations depending on geographical location. An above post described persecutions in Africa of alledged witches. There the witches are feared by everyone else because they do work spells to kill and blight crops and are adepts in the use of poisons. They are not the same as witches in europe or the United States or most other parts of the globe.
It was believed that witches were aligned with the devil when the infamous Salem trials were under way, if they did not get their power from good, they must have from evil. There is doubt that any real witches were involved, just eccentric people who were on the wrong side of their neighbours.
Today the Salem city flag has a witch flying on a broomstick, as do all the police patches and city stationary. A woman named Laurie Cabot is the official witch of the city, and they have a memorial to those who were executed nearly 250 years ago. Witches are now the main draw to Salem and provides quite a bit of the city income.



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Back during the Salem Witch Trials, Puritans were the main thing back then.

So needless to say they saw those who weren't Christian as in league with the Devil.

Yet, they believed 'Witches' got their powers from Satan himself, without any justified proof.



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The Salem Witch Trials were a spill over from the British Great Witch Hunt. This started of by a self proclaimed Witchfinder General. Like Salem most of the people killed were inncent of being witches, there was even a priest who tried and killed in this.

Most people were tortured for days sometimes even weeks to get a 'confession' from them.

Just goes to show how mass hysteria from part of the world soon spreads and becomes a global issue.



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They could haunt the grounds for an entirely different reason, such as being tortured. The way they tested for 'witchiness' in the salem trial days were nothing short of torture and murder. There are always things that the people, the descendants of the Salem families, are not willing to say over television, something that everyone is dying to know. Why should the families of the tortured and murdered 'witches' tell the secrets of their great grandmothers or grandfathers?



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The women that knew how to use herbs and herbal remedies for medicinal purposes were the first to be pointed out as witches. The puritans were stupid assholes for what they did to innocent people, mostly women.



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LV.. it's cause women are evil.. Women are not to be trusted.

Kidding.. but that's how they saw it. And that angers me, but what happened happened, life is different, for the most part, now



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The thing is in some parts of the world today women are still viewed in the same light,



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The Witch Trials were simply one more example of the damage done by holding irrational, superstitious beliefs. And the ridiculous tests utilized are but examples of the extent to which people will go to try to find evidence when the concepts they pursue are devoid of objective evidence.

To sell one's soul to the devil, there must first be a devil, and secondly, there must be a soul. Neither of these concepts at all supported by objective evidence nor was their any objective evidence that the people killed were actually witches or in any way harmful. So people manufactured their evidence through pure subjectivity. And the subjective beliefs were utilized to cause harm in the name of eradicating harm.

And this process continues today with the vast majority of people. Whether one talks about the Salem Witch Trials, The Inquisition, The Crusades, the Holocaust, ritualistic sacrifices or any other travesty grounded in unevidenced beliefs, the outcome is still that holding onto superstitious beliefs is harmful.



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The salem witch trials happened because of ignorance.
Somebody probably seen a Wiccan woman or man making up or brewing up some "potion", and screamed witch,
back then if the belief wasnt Christianity related it was sinful, or bad or wrong, or "Unchristian", and they definitely thought it was evil or belonged to the devil,
people back then thought all of those things.
They hanged people and burned the "witches" alive because they thought burning would send the"devil" backere he belongs, in hell,
the only hell was the ignorance that surrounded the ignorant.



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NO one knows what nationality Tituba was. They only guess and there is a big controversy about this and so an author would just pick what went well with the story he wished to portray. I will give an excerpt although this isn't where I found information and it will depend on which belief someone researches from what they will say about her and who she was.

"The physical description of Tituba has been surrounded by controversy from the first historical analysis of her. It was initially assumed that she was of Indian descent. But over time the origins of Tituba have begun to be re-evaluated and old theories have been contested. One scholar who disagrees with the old theory that Tituba was Indian is Maryse Condé. Conde tells the story of Tituba from a narrative and fictional point of view. Conde suggests Tituba was an African slave whose mother was raped on the passage from Africa and then gave birth to Tituba after she arrived in Barbados. This account of Tituba’s origins does not claim to rely on facts for all of its evidence, but there is no way to conclude with any certainty where Tituba was in fact from. In Tituba, Reluctant Witch of Salem, Elaine G. Breslaw writes,

according to local legend, Tituba and her husband, John, “were spoken of as having come from New Spain…that is, the Spanish West Indies, and the adjacent mainland,” is borne out by the record of known slave-capturing activities in South America.

Breslaw believes that Tituba was an Arawak Indian from Guiana who was either kidnapped and then brought to Barbados or her tribe had migrated there though South America. Veta Smith Ticker, writes:

17th-century Puritans blended the categories Indian, African, and slave. In seventeenth century Massachusetts, such discriminations among unregenerate peoples of color were considered unnecessary, especially for slaves. By 1692 (exactly 2 centuries after first contact) Columbus' misnaming had yielded a catchall term variously applied to the Guanahani, the Caribbe, the Aztecs, and West Indies Africans.

Thus Ticker illustrates why we will probably never know where Tituba was really from. Since there was no clear distinction by the Puritans on the racial differences between Indians, Africans, and slaves it remains hard to truly identify Tituba’s origin. This however is not the only reason for the scholarly debate over the identity of Tituba. Another reason is covered by Chadwick Hansen. In Hansen's article the issue of the racial identity of witches during Puritan times is addressed. Hansen states:

" Over the years the magic Tituba practiced has been changed by historians and dramatists from English, to Indian, to African. More startlingly, her own race has been changed from Indian, to half-Indian and half-Negro, to Negro…There is no evidence to support these changes, but there is an instructive lesson in American historiography to be read in them."
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The Crucible isn't very accurate from what I have read about the story it is an adaptation of happenings with certain author license taken for dramatic means. It is suppose to be a good book and movie but it just isnt accurate. I am not at home or I would give you the exact information about all this but I don't have it on this computer.

None of them were burned but hung and a couple died in captivity as well as the man they pressed with stones. It was a tragic occurence but over time it has grown bigger than life. As for the other thing about Wicca yes words mean things and can be used but most often that word was used derogatorily and why most that were actually living during the times didn't use it and used other words or no name at all and Wicca is not very close to original practices in all actuality its really is a modern nature worship that only remotely resembles what some call the Craft.

Wicca is a new religion formed in 1954 by Gerald Gardner that was based on old witchcraft only to a minor degree. Therefore, there are many things in Wicca that do not appear in Trad Wichcraft. Trad Witchcraft beliefs, ritual, practices, customs, and the use of Magic Arts are very different than in Wicca.
http://www.blue-moon-manor.com/faq.html#2

One cannot assume that the witchraft practiced then remotely resembles anything practiced in Wicca today and there are still those in the Isles and some parts of Europe that practice much older traditions that are not called Wicca. Many who I have read that go into the historical end say that the church used that word as a derogatory description and they did not call themselves that. I know in Wales they go by Pellars and there are other names. Some of this happened due to the witch laws enacted that were not repealed until early 1900s.

So whatever they thought of these people it would be by what the Puritans believed at the time and not what anyone believes or practices in this time period. Gardner added practices known to Crowley and things from different cultures as well which makes it a very unique religious practice in its own right. None of this would have been known to these people in the Salem area which wasn't really Salem but Salem's Village, Ipswich and another place. It is only in Wicca and ceremonial magick that they call the guardians of the watchtowers. European Traditionslists do not do this or many things like that it wasn't part of what the Celts did. Therefore they wouldn't have thought they were drumming up anything in Salem except those superstions of what that group believed about anything outside of their faith...paganism. That in a nutshell was associated with the devil.



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The victims of the Salem witch trials (wich wasnt constrained to just Salem but extended to surrounding communities) is theorized to have started with the ergot poisoning, given the time of year. The girls that started the accusations were far from spoiled. In those times in the Puritan religeon, children were seen and not heard. The were little better than pets or farm beasts and lacked attention. And if the child was female the lack of attention was worse. Part of the reason they got away with the accusations for as long as they did was because men seriously underestimated their intelligence as human beings, seeing them less than themselves and incapable of such guile. The fear was fanned further by the believe that if you werent one of the accusers you were one of the accused. Jealousy and greed fed into the frenzy as well. Of the women that were killed, they were killed because they refused to sign a confession. I dont remember ever reading of burning in the Salem trials. But there were plenty of the accused that were hung. And one man crushed to death with stones. Tituba-the jamaican slave that did the readings, I think confessed but there were very very few who followed her example. Most of the accused were imprisoned for years or tortured to death rather than confess.



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Read a book in high school on the subject - The Devil in Massachusetts: A Modern Inquiry into the Salem Witch Trials by Marion Lena Starkey - I'd suggest anyone interested in the topic pick it up.



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What alot do not know is if accused of witchcraft you lost all your property. And the one that accused you got your property. So you see how money was once again involved in crime.



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That is something I didn't know, but it makes a lot of sense. In Britain during the Witch Hunt people were paid to inform on their neighbours, friends and yes even their own family. Their was even a book on the subject of finding a witch and 'getting' information from them. And mos t people have heard of the book, it tis called The Witches Hammer.



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I have read a book on this subject and the book leads you to belive a few things.

one is that the start of the goverment would find the rich ppl and claim they are witches in thus to burn them and get their money ect..

Second is the farmers back then used some contaminated wheat to make bread wich caused a conditon of temp crazyness if you will and thus they thought the ppl were witches because of this problem



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it easy to spot a so called witch during questioning as they were stripped naked and inspected for the devils mark. People with warts,moles,freckles etc were said to have the mark of the devil. They were also deprived of sleep, food and water to see if the devil would come and help them. As we all know after a time people will start suffering and begin talking to themselves or imagined people in the room hence the devil had come or send a familiar to the rescue.

Easy to see how so many innoccent were killed during time of mast parania.



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a lot innocent women were burnt at the stake because of the stupidity and superstition of mankind,they were also gullible if someone screamed witch there was no evidence needed they were just toasted.
humanity fears what they don't understand and anything they don't understand is evil to them
also in that era men were dominant so women hardly had any say in anything, needless to say an accused "witch" could not defend herself against the accusations



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The Salem Witch Trials are but one example of what happens when people subscribe to superstitions and/or allow subjective reasoning/evidence to be their guide.

And yet to this day, if one suggests there is a danger in holding subjective beliefs, those who hold subjective beliefs will scoff and rant about "science" and "scientific evidence". Subjectivity tells you what you want to believe. Objectivity tells you what is true.

When any belief is supported only subjectively, that belief is likely to be wrong and people will suffer or die.



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the Salem witch trials were a hard and terrifying time ,there were a lot of women and men who knew nothing about witchcraft that were blamed, even small children ,it was all because of greed .



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From what I heard some people accused the people they didnt like of being witches for personal gain. The rest of the population was so ignorant and willing to believe it that they murdered their own friends without any proof. It was later discovered that the people who had first started it had lied.



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Like it has been said before. MOney is the root of all evil. I turn you in a get a % of all your property. So the more i turn in the more I make. This started in Europe and was pushed in American. The churches loved it, for it gave them a cause. (told you to go to church-ect) And a cause means money.



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More often than not, the trials were out of persoanl differences, hatred, fear and greed. Those who practiced archaic forms of herbal treatments were considered to be 'in league with the devil' or witches, while the adulterous ones were seen not as whores and harlots but men and women alike- children of the devil himself. After all, they say Satan's weapon is lust. Scarlet Letter, anyone?




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Salem was having a rough time and simply needed someone to blame, so used witches as an excuse to their problem



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Mortalitas - No one was burned at the stake in Salem..,



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Just to clarify some facts

The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings before local magistrates followed by county court trials to prosecute people accused of witchcraft in Essex, Suffolk, and Middlesex Counties of colonial Massachusetts, between February 1692 and May 1693. Over 150 people were arrested and imprisoned, with even more accused who were not formally pursued by the authorities. The two courts convicted twenty-nine people of the capital felony of witchcraft. Nineteen of the accused, fourteen women and five men, were hanged. One man (Giles Cory) who refused to enter a plea was crushed to death under heavy stones in an attempt to force him to do so. At least five more of the accused died in prison.

Despite being generally known as the "Salem" witch trials, the preliminary hearings in 1692 were conducted in a variety of towns across the province: Salem Village, Ipswich, Andover, as well as Salem Town, Massachusetts. The best-known trials were conducted by the Court of Oyer and Terminer in 1692 in Salem Town. All twenty-six who went to trial before this court were convicted. The four sessions of the Superior Court of Judicature in 1693, held in Salem Town, but also in Ipswich, Boston, and Charlestown, produced only three convictions in the thirty-one witchcraft trials it conducted.

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stormwind

i don''t recall saying salem in my post,i was saying in that era innocent women were burnt at the stake,sometimes they were hanged though



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Two girls, trying to get out of trouble with the law, fringed a story about how they saw a bunch of people in the community with the devil.

The community, religious leaders, who were also the law, believed them due to their brainwashed believes durring the time.

that pretty much sums up the issue...



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Well witch trials were done because most people then was full of ignorance and refused to even listen to the accused side of things. Many whom were called Witches were just people whom knew how to make use of natural things from the earth and such, just as the American indians do/ did.

Many people also used it as a way to basically rid themselves of unwanted people in their communities, they would be accused of being a witch and died horroble deaths, Hell I use natural herbs and such all the time to make potions or healing items and yet that is what it was back then people who were more knowledgeable in such crafts were considered a witch or of the devils spawn, please.... It is sad that people are so prideful and ignorant that they refuse to even hear some ones elses ways of living and learnings from nature itself.

I would of been accused as well back then cause I use so many different herbs and stuff, even in cooking. Those times were very sad times and alot of innocent people died for no good reason.

It was just convenient for so many authorities to accuse someone of witchcraft and then have them put to death or imprisoned and died of starvation and abuse.



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The Salem Witch Trials were not about witches at all, as many people have stated thus far. They were a period when innocent women died ultimately because they were different, feared, or envied, but firstly because some little girls were selfish and bored. The women burned at the stake were not witches but regular people who were wrongly accused of "crimes" and behavior they did not commit. Every library everywhere has reading material about it. One of the most accurate and most easily accessible books I've found to be is The Crucible.



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if you go to Salem they do a mock witch trial. you participate in the whole thing. Salem is a pretty cool place to go especially this time of year



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My girlfriend and I will be experiencing the whole Salem history and Haunted Happenings next week...can't wait!



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What it all amounts to is the fact that people died due to ignorance and greed. Have we really come so far? Look at the human race today...with people being killed for so little.



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In regards to the post, I'd recommend people read a book called, 'The Witchcraft of Salem Village'. It does a good job covering information of the trials along with talking about the 19 who were hung at the gallows during the trials.



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It must be great for those who died in the Salem Witch trials to know that they've provided their town with a healthy tourism industry.



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The whole 'Deal with the devil' aspect is what gives witches a bad reputation. The 'God Fearing Christians' of the time used this idea as a scare tactic at the time as an excuse to kill those women who (supposedly, or even possibly) didn't believe in the Christian God, or who acted more liberally than the rest. They were immediately considered devil worshipers for believing outside the Christian box and killed because of it. As a result, the word, 'witch' is used rather loosely today as an effect of this.



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It also helps to understand that in the strict Roman Catholic practices of the past (and even today), that they would view anyone that did not believe in their God as worshipers of the devil. There is even proof of this in the form of a book, known as 'The Witches Hammer'. It is basically like a manual that they believed would actually help them hunt down, interrogate, torture, and even kill witches...



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The jury in my opinion is still out about if the accused who were executed were actually witches. Like I previously stated in this thread, if you practiced herbal therapy or archaic medicine, you were considered a witch in that day.



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well I have to say that the main reason for witch trials were due to ignorance along with some very evil little girls trying to save their own arses from being punished for being where they should not had been. They made up horrible stories and it just spread like a wild fire and the results were many innocent people were imprisoned or killed very sad that Ignorance can destroy so much, and yet if they took the time to learn or even listen it could have been resolved without the daeth and punishments.



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We all have our opinions on this, but for me I am still undecided. I have heard bits and pieces of what all happened and can not really make a full opinion untill I have researced this further.



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Most of what is being said here is based on fact rather than opinion and the following address is a good place to go to get a full view of the Salem witch trials. It covers things such as the economics of that time, the type of religious beliefs of the Puritans and how it all came together to result in the Salem Witch Trials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials



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the Salem Witch trials was hysteria run-amuck.

If there was a chemical/biological cause to it, it quickly wore off as soon as innocent people were accused.....

I believe that the real reason of the Trials was ego, envy, and revenge.....

the Trials can be compared to the French Revolution and McCarthyism.... where as many as one or a few people created a situation and attempted to gain from it.....

in some cases it backfired severly and caused even greater damage.....



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The Salem Witch Trials were the result of adherence to beliefs which were devoid of supporting objective evidence.

That's it in a nut-shell. And that kind of belief always leads to tragedy. And yet, we're all told that it is good for us to hold such beliefs. From the time we're tiny children we're brain-washed to believe that we should adhere to certain beliefs with zero requirement for objective evidence.

And everytime we do, we open the door to become victims and/or to victimize others -- Every Single Time.

The saddest part is that we can look back to the Salem Witch Trials, The Inquisition, The Holocaust, the Crusades and dozens of other examples where such beliefs have lead to tragedy on an explosive scale, and not recognize that we're continuing to support the problem. And yet, we still adhere to beliefs devoid of objective supporting evidence.

The clock is ticking.



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Beastt17 -

''The Salem Witch Trials were the result of adherence to beliefs which were devoid of supporting objective evidence.''



That was usually the case back in the days when scientific knowledge was not too advanced and religion was the ruling factor of every day life.



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On the only scale of significance, MBK, that's still the situation today. We may have access to more advanced scientific knowledge, but most people (especially people seeking a reality in the paranormal), tend to shun that information. A set of encyclopedias housed behind a new wall in one's basement renders the owner no more informed than those without the encyclopedias.

So the problem persists despite the availability of knowledge. And the outcome will be as it has always been simply because the knowledge is left unaccessed by the significant majority.

The advancements in scientific knowledge come from adherence to objective evidence. Most people still will not operate on such a basis when the beliefs they hold out of desire are at risk. So the problem perpetuates and continues.

We'll likely not see an exact repeat of the Salem Witch Trials but we see things even today which are little more than "witch hunts", fully supported by the significant majority and fully devoid of objective supporting evidence or the recognition of the significance of objective evidence.



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Salem witch trials are persiution of not going with the society. And it was the powere of the religion og its time. many were pesicuted and was not in fact in witch craft or any resemlence of it.

when those who felt like god for their voice could end a life of a foe or andyone that did not bow to them by saying"their a witch"



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The accusations were not only about practicing witchcraft.In that time, the puritans were not accusing everyone of witchcraft.The interesting thing is that it was about demonic possession.
Sometime I wonder f madness could not be a cause too.



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I have read an article that suggest seirure of land, and property was a fueling factor as well. What better way to remove an uncooperative land holder?



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I think i read a similar article way back in highschool... something about one family of the village was behind most of the acuastions as well. (the kids started it but some family saw an oppertunity)

and as far as the devil part goes... to Christians anything that wasnt christian was devil worship to them, everything from native americans to paganism/wicca. they even considered islam to be heathen.



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Well, that's kinda the nature of religion...

As I'm reading through these posts, it's becoming glaringly obvious that people aren't reading them. I've seen a number of different posts saying they 'think it was something in the bread' or 'some bacteria in the bread' when all they had to do to find an answer is read one of the two posts that explains that it was ergot mold, a mold that grows on rye, and is the main ingredient in LSD.

Also, I noticed a few people claiming that people were "burned, tortured, etc." I want to make it absolutely clear: Not a single person was burned at the stake in the Salem Witch Trials. All 12 (I think it was 12, right?) women were hanged, and the man who refused to plead was pressed to death under heavy rocks.



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The reality of salem is the book called the witches hammer or Malleus Maleficarum

what a witch is today and what they think it was then are two different things for sure( being a witch myself).
Magic was common practice from cunning folk and voodoo ect all common practice just like alchemy and all above aproch from the witch finder .. infact cunning folk were used to hunt witches using magic.
so if your name is cunningham you were a magic user who helped find witches who infected live stock like pigs/ham lol
Excuses have been given like rye bread poisoning argot or worse….. truth is this is a hysteria brought on by silly girls and greed of land and property.
The person who accuses someone get most of the property and the rest goes to the church.
Great way to get rich… imagine or you have to say is bill gates spoke to an animal and you have him removed and take all his money… simple.
The book “witches hammer” became to be more popular than the bible that controlled the press of those days and the propaganda we still know as news papers.
It shows how to find, catch, torture, extract confessions and kill them after … even has records of women who were so beautiful they are arrested for glamour magic and some account so horrific you must be over 18 to read in my view.. barbaric and pure insanity.



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And such was the climate of the time when this all happened. Religion was the law in that age, as science was not as advances as it is today. Any 'confession' for witchcraft came from brutal means, and it was usually caused by someone who wanted what the other had. Wanna get them out of the way and take what you want of theirs? Call them a witch. Say they speak to the devil. Each one of those claims was so damning that people died for those reasons.



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There were 2 reasons the trials happened...
1 the wheat was bad and made alot of people hallucinate< not sure of the spelling please forgive if it's wrong.

2 this was the time when men were becoming doctors,and midwives aka witches were compition because they prolly charged much less.



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2 this was the time when men were becoming doctors,and midwives aka witches were compition because they prolly charged much less.

Your first statement was almost spot-on, but this one sounds like blind speculation. Where did you pull up this information, since of all the accounts of the Salem Witch Trials that I've heard, this has never been brought up.


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I read the theory about men in the medical field feeling threatened by midwives and herbalists as well, however, not in association with the Salem Witch Trails.

Though from what I can remember of the article it was considered just one of those smaller snowball effect motivations behind the mass histeria that surrounded these horrible events.



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Ahh, see this is why skepticism is a good thing.

That's an interesting idea, and I can see why that could lead to a number of horrific results.



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obviously back in time when they had which trials anything they thought was to be of evil made a deal with the devil,in fact most who were acused of being witches truely were false acused,times have changed and now days people are more educated,back then if someone didnt like you they could call you a witch and you would have to be tried.



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The trials were brought to an end by the state government. Only after 13 women and 4 men were hanged, and 1 man had been crushed to death did they find out what was going on. They put a stop to the trials, released everyone on death row and everyone waiting for trial, and charges were dismissed.



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Beastt17 -

I wished to express how much I appreciated and enjoyed your last entry (thus far) in this thread; how very true is the point you make.

Given your point that today, despite all the available information we possess, we do indeed often form opinions and base our actions on emotional impulses and self-serving interests rather than have all such be governed by the truths we have taken the time to learn and understand.

While in this, we most certainly do have so much in common with our primitive ancestors, yet in one key way we are far worse than were they. For where they acted ignorantly without recourse, yet when we act similarly we do so out of self-imposed ignorance. Where they had no choice but to base decisions on a lack of knowledge and understanding, today we have so much understanding and knowledge that we seldom ever seek out before acting. Thus how much more culpable are we when we act ignorantly, knowing full well that the "encyclopedias" (using your analogy) are right there behind that wall, than were our ancestors who had no such information from which to learn?


- Upir'



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most were very innocent of witchcraft... many speculations to ergot poisoning to mass hestaria were used as excuses for what took place. the punishments crule beyond all belief ...i so love the water test so oops they died so they were not a witch so how did they explain the death sence a witch is suposed to be able to survive underwater ... stupidity ignorance and fear put together for things they could not explain would lead to a person being accused... simple failure of crops to grow or a still birth the nearest person at the time was automatically a witch who did evil NOT but that is how it was back then



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Very interesting topic and very nice opnion and reply by all,especially nice light thrown on by Honorable MysticMoon, Honorable Cadrewolf, Honorable Beast and Honorable Upir.
this led me to read the whole topic my first time i ever read whole topic with all replies without hurry and to see the matter for discussion laid in the topic.


if witch craft adopted for harming common peepal I oppose it. but if it harm none, its not wrongin my opinion. I do sense this all staged politically and juridiction was in hand of political peepal.



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well that was later stae of mediaval age, the era of war of religions in europe. the religions were crushing other religions for ow survival and did not want other beliefs in their own region. so no surprise those 25 peepal killed.

the time was rise of english and french empire on map and they used to handle jurisdiction their own way and were partial. This was part of rule.



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It is my understanding that most of the people that were victimized in salem or all over the world for that matter were not all witches. Some were and I say people because many men fell victim to this insanity as well.. But the true criminal was fear.... The Puritans were an extremist religeous group and they resorted to terorrisim in order to protect their religeous beleifs and many people died.. They used witchcraft as an excuse nothing more to justify hunting down and exterminating anyone or anything that threatened their strict beliefs.. Many people feared witchcraft and many still do and fear always leads to hatred.... Only one thing is always certain as long as there has been a God there has always been a group of people willing to justify killing in his name........



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I'd just like to point out this from a previous post... "You need to understand where the term 'Witch' comes from. It comes from the word Wicca, meaning 'wise one'." no it doesn't, Wicca is a new religion, that surfaced in the 1950s. Paganism is proper witchcraft that predates Christianity. There were not just witch trials in Salem, they were all over in many parts of the world, including right here in Edinburgh where the witch trials were some of the worst. Chances are that not a single one of the women ever burned/drowned even once practiced witchcraft, back in those days people were paranoid and superstitious. It was also an easy way to dispose of someone you didn't like.



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For those who would like a modern example of Social Hysteria in action, google the Day Care Satanic Scare.



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well lets face it the witch hunts never have stoped
human beings are still persecuted because of race, religion, or political beliefs or wose



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To elaborate on CherryAdvocaat's post, here's the etymology of the word "witch":

WEIK- [2]. In words connectid with magic and religious notions (in
Germanic and Latin). 1. Germanic suffixed form *WIH-L- in Old English
WIGLE, divination, sorcery, akin to the Germanic source of Old French
GUILE, cunning trickery: GUILE. 2. Germanic expressive form *WIKK-
in: a. Old English WICCA, wizard, and WICCE, witch: WITCH; b. Old
English WICCIAN, to cast a spell: BEWITCH. 3. Possible suffixed
zero-grade form *WIK-T-IMA in latin VICTIMA, animal used as sacrifice,
victim (although this may belong to another root *[SHWA]WEK- not
otherwise represented in English): VICTIM.



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i dont know too much about this but this has always been a fascination of mine in the sense that 2 young girls could cause so much mayhem ....



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