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Bram Stoker's Dracula created a small polygamous family with him as the reigning alpha male, but recent authors have designed much more complex vampire societies.

Which do you think you'd prefer, given the option? I particularly would like to hear from vr women. I wonder if a female vampire would structure a family any differently than a male vampire.

All Creatures need family.
Why should a vampire be any different?

well Ithink as a woman I would be stricter with my domain and all that live there. The structure has to be strong and faithful no matter what and alot of male vampires let a woman control them that they have yet to turn in my opinion. I say hell no, no man would control me or my Family ruling. I tend to think women are stronger in that aspect of a family tight knit, protective and very loving and faithful.

Dracula's generation was one of dominate males and as far as i can tell, such a one as him could not tolerate another male for the problems it would cause in the "alpha dog syndrome".

I would hope that just as all things should, vampires have changed with the times, in order to become a stronger being. Strenght in numbers is never a bad thing untill it becomes in excess. So i see where movies such as Twilight and Underworld have valid points to them. Its easier to hide in plan site when you appear as the world around you.

Personally, i have to side with the thought of a family similar to "Twilight" freedom to make the choice to be part or leave accordingly. Whether a male or female lead the coven makes little differance to me, seeing that they have domination, leaving little room for freedom.

Solid question BM, though I am still pondering the question of who would I turn.

I would think however that a vampire making a collective out of those they turned could have significate pros, and cons to consider.

Of course there would be pros and cons to creating a collective. You would need some type of a societal ruling in which all would need to live by. This is prevalent in any family or society.

This is quite the insightful topic, and one of which I wish I were at greater liberty to discuss. What I shall disclose is that the structure of a true "vampire" family is, indeed, usually polygynous in nature... with the females therein just as much in love with and bonded to each other as ever they are to their "vampire" "sire" (I use common Human vampire vernacular for convenience); such actual families are quite egalitarian in nature and not at all about patriarchal domination or control.


- Upir'

In my story, The Black Diary, the original vampire family was a very tight knit group of three males and three females, at least for the first 1800 years. They shared a basic secret on regeneration and renewing their life force that required they be loyal only to each other. Each was their only individual, with their own character and background, and some of them greatly disliked the Master vampire.

His greatest downfall was his pride, and insisting each of them treat him as a god. He forgot how necessary each of them was to his survival. Reading closely, you can see that his ego and insistence on always being right, and refusing to listen to the very voices that could have saved him destroyed the family. A better structure, with more cooperation among the members might have saved the day.

If i was a vampire in my opinion i would not show myself in the daybut at night i would but i wouldnt show my abilities .Why? because people these days are judgmental and when they know that you are a vampire they will never accept you in there world/ society. Just like a bunch of people dont accept those who served there country there treated as outcast . why cant they be accepted they have a heart they have feelings just like anyone else.No one deserves to be lonely but they cant help it as much as they try....

I'd say that there MUSt be two leaders.A top male and female.There will be alot of little ones..and first timers..
so one need to fallow rules and be tought by someone
who they can look up to..but not be running a muk with.
Then there must be 2nd in command..I'd say you would need a few of thoes...to keep an eye on thing..while the
two leaders are gone or busy.
Everyone and everything needs family.
alone they will create chaos and distruction.

Everyone needs someone. Whether you are a vampire or a human being. The need to belong is something that is bred into us even if it is just needing to belong to one or many.

My husband and I would be the leaders but he would be the very top leader, it would be like any house or coven on here..He is the Master and I am the Assistant but when it comes to the rest we are the leaders.

I feel that in this Day and time it should be a equal thing women are strong and have brains but men have pride and do not wish to seem weak, there for if it were equal you would not have this problem. and for really important decisions it should be made as a group.

Every creature society on the planet has both an Alfa male and female. Ants for example are run buy a Queen only no King. So in my opinion YES a woman could have a successful House of her own

To answer the question, yes, a woman would run a vampire house as well as any man, the female vampire in my minds eye, is a more powerful fugure anyway than that of the male vampire. I would gladly do the washing up for her!

I honestly believe a female would structure things differently than a male. I only say this because it is in a female to nurture. She would do whatever she needed to do to ensure her families survival and safety.

I am not saying a man would not do this but it is more inherent in females than in males.

Interestingly that you should say that...when men go mad over relationships they do tend to kill the children, as do animals

Ok I have two children who are twins and they come to me more than they come to mummy, lol I would never do what I have just mentioned. I have not researched this, although it has been in the press quite recently. Totally off the top of my head...so that I can see my brains...sorry did I say brains! Coughs

So how far would a female vampire go to keep her house in order? Could she have her own children anyway!

Or are we talking about a sterile Coven/House

Good point Theban and as I said that I wasn't saying that it wasn't possible for a male to be as nurturing as a female but it is not as prevalent with males.

Now your question as to whether she could have children..well according to fiction it is said that they cannot because they are not live beings so therefore would not be able to procreate as humans do. So I guess her/his children would be those that they turned.

Of course there is the premise that was presented in Van Helsing that they use a type of electrical charge to jump start life like they did with Frankenstein.

I have been in a clan lead by both male and female over the generations. And from what I have read and been told by the former leaders that are still alive is both male and female lead very well and passionately. From what I have seen and read the Female tends to be the stronger leader in terms of protection and affection, where as the males have been stronger in terms of offense and determination.

I agree it would be a dominant female with a dominant male leadership both with the same power and it would trickle down

I don't think it would matter whether it was a male or female that ruled in the society. World rules have had both for eons. The primary concerns would need to be meet: social order, security, protection and secrecy. Then the allocation of property and assets to sustain the above needs. From there it would just be the management, delegation and administration of the societies day to day living. In these matter a female could rule just as well as a male.

Well said, DarkFeline... well said. (Perhaps more than you know... or, perhaps not.)

It is Human society... well, to rephrase, testosterone-dominated Human society... that places such importance on societal hierarchies, on one-upmanship, on promoting and perpetuating the might-makes-right philosophy that has seems to govern all societies now and has brought this planet to the very edge of extinction for us all.

For true "Vampires" and for those who understand who and what such beings truly are... all we seek, as DarkFeline stated so perfectly... are our Equals, both in Love and in Life.

This is all we have ever sought throughout the Ages. Not blood, not domination, and most certainly not parasitism. Yet such Equals are so very hard to find in a Human culture as increasing materialistic and bloodthirsty as this one. (Yet, they call us bloodthirsty! The irony is so exquisitely glaring, is it not?)

In any event... this was why the "Angels" descended (no, not "fell" but instead... descended) in the first place... and this is what their descendants have sought among and with Humankind ever since.


- Upir'

Why must there be a family?

Especially if a vampire is incapable of children...

I'd be more inclined to institute a blood cult, set up similarily to the Salvation Army.

Furthermore, how would a vampire have his marriage sanctified, and/or what method would they use for consumation? (I'm aware that marriage does not have to be consumated with sex... quadraplegics can get married under the law too.) There are no children, there is no need for marriage (I disbelieve a vampire would be capable of love,) What purpose is there for family?

I cannot even see a case for progeny... it would deminish resources available to you. The only case for progeny is to deflect attention away from you.

I think the vampire family is too hollywood.
I'd kill any predator that tried to take my territory, especially if it was a cadre or family.

Kglitterous -

As vampires were well known to sire children (called dhampirs) and were especially known throughout Eastern European for their "insatiable sexuality," why would you think them "incapable"?

I prefer to believe that an animated corpse' hunger for blood would preclude his desire for sex. A sexual predator falls more under the classification of rapist if mortal, or incubus if immortal, or so I would classify it.
A vampire with restraint enough for family, seams anthropomorphic.

It might depend on the kind of family you had when you were human and whether you'd rather stick to that type or rebel from it.

? Upir~ You classify yourself as inheritor of the 'Ascended' bloodline? That is new and humorous in a sense,- and that not crave for blood but sexual extremities? I believe you are confusing an Incubus with a vampire, and your interpretations of historical reference of various classifications in books about "angels" or "Ascended groups" in correlation with vampires are just that- personal interpretations to sustain a personal ideology.

Ascended groups of beings which made hybrids did have sexual prolongation because they did not have a typical mortal anatomy or mechanization of human body, and with that came more elongated years than a pure blooded human life span and other factors correlative to a vampire like creature, as for the subject, they are very well structured, and secretive, because it has to be that way, some groups are destructive and misguided in their own interpretations and receive justice in a independent way by others which are faithful to the moral law of their ways.

IlLuminaria - Please refrain from personal attacks and keep the discussion on topic. If you have a personal issue with either myself or the historical evidences I provide, you are welcome to message me directly. However, unless you can provide more than either your opinion or tired pop-culture imagery to counter those evidences, perhaps you might reconsider posting such allegations here.

I think that being a vampire for centuries would create a loneliness that would just be terrible. So faced with this loneliness I would find myself creating a family around me and drawing in other vampires to join me.

I could still see myself travelling the world and doing things on my own.. but as long as I know I have a place to return to with people who will welcome me with open arms, I would be happier with my existence.

Ophelia, that's pretty much the scenario I see for myself, although I think traveling through eternity with the same vampire(s) might get tiresome.

Think about elderly people who have been married for decades sitting across the table from each other with absolutely nothing new to say. So, marriage in human terms would be out of the question. Perhaps an open partnership.

Yes, I believe vampires, male or female, are capable of having families.

*Chuckles* I am surprised how no one has stated the "vampires do not need an equal, we are above all others" blah, blah, bull.

If the vampire could find an equal, more power to them but these are few and far between. Specifically where ~Upir~ classifies them as intimately powerful and unexhaustable.

But, why classify them into a group of power mongers? Not specifically ~Upir's~ group, but alluding to the traditional vampire of elegant, the refined types that are snooty and stuck up that only seek "slave's" as the vampire would be depicted as snide and stuck up as well as lazy.

Screw that...

I wouldn't mind either way. I may vary different things a little but overall structure would probably still be the same.

" Quote - I wonder if a female vampire would structure a family any differently than a male vampire. "

Atleast with the female vampire the house would be clean.

I believe a female vampire could lead a family/clan as well as a male in the fact that females are very pertective over those she sees as her children, wether biological or metaphorical. Have you ever seen a mother wolf protecting her young.
Newly turned could be seen as the females children. Also most families it is the mother who does the disaplinning. Firm but just, in order to keep the family running smoothly. But every family is stronger when you have male and female working as a team.

I would prefer to remain alone and avoid relationships at all cost, I would be scared my relationship would fail.

I think I would want my vampire family to be much like a regular family....A mother and father for disicipline and their children

It is almost an exclusive human trait that the male is dominant. In most of the non-human world the female is the more aggressive, the hunter, the power figure behind the king. Vampires, as non-human might easily fall into this category. Or, is there enough of the human left that the male still "rules the roost." I believe that it would really depend on the personalities of the group and it could vary. However, as a general rule I would expect that the males might fight to rule the pride but a dominate female pulls the strings.

Would be different for sure just because, women and men think different.

How I would handle the family would depend on there needs. Love wth a touch of iron fist.

to me it would depend alot on there background or what there idea of "a home life "is

I love to have a family myself...

dominated by both male and female vampire...

it has to be equal and fair....

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I think you'd have those who prefer to be loners and others who want to belong to a group for safety sake. Anyone in a group would have to adhere to certain rules in order for it to run smoothly and in order to protect each other. If one endangers the group by their actions they would have to be punished whether the decision was made by a leading person, couple or even a group such as a council. Just as in human society there will be those who follow the rules and those who want only to break them.

depends on what you think struture is wich is very different to many peoples points of views male or female their still could be the same way of living id say soo depends on what you wanna do man

The awareness of life's structure of existing with one another is the only comprehension that is needed.

I would agree that depending on your human upbringing...the "rulership" would reflect that upbringing. The thoughs upon female "rulership" would tend to be more towards protection of the family and offspring.