Listening to mslefaye's words I have begun to question something. Who are you here on Vampire Rave? Do people act here as they would in person or do they create a false identity, a creation of a thing they would like to be? How about you, the one we see on VR, are you real or just a work of art by anothers hand?
i'm the real me whereever i go, in real life and online life.
I have to agree. I am me. No matter where I am, online or in real life, I am who I am, the good the bad. Nothing about my online self is any different from my real self. (Ha, maybe when I was younger, but not anymore. Lesson learned the hard way)
This is me. Take it or leave it.
i am me, if anyone does not belive that then please say i dont mind at all.
we all have to have trust in one another on here, but i do see ur point.
We here are all statues wether or not we done it on purpose. A person on VR is real to themselves but in showing that to others filter it. We can say that we are who we are but to other people what does that mean. So many of these profiles lack any really information as to who they are. So many just so the results a person got from some quiz that hold no true basis for individuality. We believe this result is us, but it isn't. We can only hope to show a piece of ourselves in here and so everyone is a statue and not a person.
It is not as simple as asking a person who they are. We are selfish, prejudice creators. To keep it short we have to meet people in person to even begin to comprehend the true person behind the mask. If I can't see your eyes with my own then... how can you possible be real to me.
Im me, but minus my tone of voice and facial expression. If I existed purely in letters, then this is what I would look like :-)
have you ever noticed that with some people when you talk to them, they seem more comfortable and open to speak with than say, other people? Well after being online for say a few 3 years, i can pretty much sense who is going to be a waste of my time, or worth my time because of the feeling they give me and it's the kind that you don't question.
i'm the same person here as i am in the real world, i don't see the point in trying to be someone your not.
In general I'd have to agree with winglessangel ... while there are some really great actors and actress out there. you begin to get a general feeling when talking to people as to the kind of person they are. If what they portray in profiles or their messages is even a "person" there are so many people out there who even in their messages sound and talk really fake. I don't know how much I believe in the whole empathy ideal, or the like, but when I am talking to a person, IE. messaging back and forth I begin to get a feeling off them of the person they are, or aren't. I think a lot of people do the same.
Every one here knows just as much about me as any one else, real or on the Rave. I'm usually not the most open person, but I never hide or lie or try to change who I am no matter where I am at.
hey now
who brought me into this ?
am i your statue or me?
well i am who i am
like it or not if not get over it or get away from me
i say what i think on here and in person and damn the consequences
those have been severe
so i just dont act
tired of wearing masks to ammuse others
call me what you will
just dont call me collect to do it
im me not no matter what/where. the thought of trying to be another is dumb. just be your self everywhere
I am thinking I want explanation since My name is used just what the thread creator is thinking.
Either here or in Message .......
Because at the moment We am not amused!
With me, what you see is what you get. I don't pretend to be someone I'm not. After looking at my profile, the "quizzes" that I have taken and my info, pretty much explains who I am.
hmmm , I dont like the quizes, but I take them to see if they truly have any connection to me, but I hate taking up space on my profile with them. I put my feelings into my profile. I am who I am wherever I go whatever I do. it's kind of hard not to be who you are if its what you say... something like that but no one here can really say I am a "statue" because I really mean what I say. but if people want to know more about me, i mean, just ask @(P but this is me. this is practically my life story and I see no reason to lie about myself. ask any of my friends... some of my friends from school have accounts on VF. but you know... w/e I am me. Period.
I have actually found that I am more open and talkative on VR than I am in real life. I tend to be very closed off and put up a tough front in daily life, but I don't feel quite as vunerable here, which makes it easier for me to be myself.
I am more open in conversation with people when I am face to face. I hate to be misunderstood. I am, however the same person outside of here as I am inside.
On here is who I am. I am only this way with people that can understand the depth of myself. There are many sides to different people. I choose to share this side with people that understand it and feel the same way. To see me in person people wouldnt think I am "goth" or have any kind of dark feelings or thoughts.
i dont know what thos pertains to, or what reasons you have to ask this question.
but to answer your question, this IS me. what you see is what you get. i am the real deal of my persona. everything you read about me here on my profile/portfolio/journal/threads/posts...are my ideas, my beliefs, my feelings....everything truthful and raw.
me myself and i
i am not ashamed of who i am, therefore i dont need to hide my identity. if i want friends, i want them to know ME...the REAL me.....
all of you who know me here, know what i am all about and i ♥ you all for it.
peace out!
-Maych
i am me here as i am right here in cleveland OH. i am what i wanna be, i just wished i had different hair. But i totally understand, sometimes i ask the samething to myself about a lot of people from the internet and such.
I am exactly who I am on here although sometimes I wish I wasn't. I might be a little more positive in person but not much. These quizzes are mainly fun stuff just to do. I don't use them to explain myself but I do edit the meanings so pay careful attention...
we all wear masks..whether or not we accept it......there is who we see ourselves as...who we present to the world who the world chooses to see...and many others....
I think that is the point he is trying to make here....and I think the reason he mentioned you Lefaye is simply because you are very vocal about being exactly what you show.....as I usually am....
although I am a bit deeper thinker online than in meatspace....
more time to think out responses and all.....
Life is too short to be fake.
I'm too old to play the lil' games of proving to be something I'm not. Either love me for me or get out of line.
Just my two cents
I'm real. yes a life can actually be this boring without being fiction :)
Winglessangel has a really good point. Sometimes, I can tell before someone even starts that they have a serious alterior motive, or I wont get on with them.
I always want to be as real as I m cus I hate ppl who are playing something on me.
Therefore I cant find one reason why I should do it here, when noone knows me and I can be as real as I want =)
thanks echo echo echo lol and thanks dami. was beginning to think i was the only cracker that could understand my own ramblings lol *bows to the 2*
Well I am me on here. I will say I dont think its easy to know the real person on here.
echo echo echo, I get it at least every couple of days, you crazy things. :-)
I am always myself where ever I go so yes I am totally me!I always act as myself even with people I know they won't like me, I don't care!I hate fakes so I will never be one.I prefare to be myself and not liked then to be liked but a fake!
hmm yeah this is pretty much me... some people tend to disagree saying that i'm sweeter than i give myself credit for (you know who you are :P) but that's probably only cos i liked them and decided to be nice lol
I think about this a lot in my own life. I am one who wishes he could live his life, act as he wishes and just be me all of the time, but in real life, I do have a facade - in that I temper my personality to be less wild, crazy. Don't get me wrong, I do not hide behind another persona, I just blunt the edges. I do so for professional, family and other reasons that are important to me, (life is a series of trade offs.)
In VR, I do not don the facade, and I am who I am - what I am - and who I ought to be.
good point maxxmann. It may be easier for some to pretend to be something they aren't while online, but when one goes to work or school they may also find it easier to cope or whatever to be someone they aren't to fit in as well. I can say that with my job, I finally found a place that I can be myself at work and a man that lets me be me at home, so I don't have to wear any masks or put on any fronts. Like me or don't, I gotta be me.
I wear enough masks to the public without wanting to wear one with peers
Yeah I am screwed in the head but so are many here.
Costs of survival can be quite high but I have paid them everytime so far.
I am gald to see I can cause so many to think on this subject. It truly does bring a smile to my face that I can get others to think, but my belief remains... How are any of you different from a character in a book? In cyber space are you any more real than Richard or Kahlan?
A person is as real as you allow them to be.
Tis sad that someone wouldnt allow such
Well on here I try to put my best foot forward so to speak. There are something I just dont share with people here or in the real so it works out both ways I guess.
Hey I am a bitch
In person and online
Just check threads journals and the like
:Laughing:
Get over IT!
:laughing:
admission is the first step on the road to recovery. lol
oh come on....people...that was a good one. Can I get some credit already, my goodness. No comment on that. I will just have to keep checking back in hopes to get some appreciation for my attempt at good humor. sniff sniff
im not going to act like some one im not, and i give you props, mom, that was a good joke, even if no one gets it cause there to stuck up. j/k
Well I do comment on things
I am me
just looky at profile and journal
see see see
:laughing:
how much less of a statue can on
be?
i am manny.... the outer shell, the layer people must pick at before my trust is gained... as in here and real life.
i am sushisan... please dont ignore me... you have tossed me in the deepest corner of your soul.... why have i been abandon? i am the light that remains, i am the laughter of the childhood that remained and the fun of the future...... i am sushisan........
I am me, I have no reason to be different in person or on the rave. The ones who have takin the time to read my profile and to email me know the truth. if you ask i will answer. I have nothing to hide. Not now not ever. I am who I am. Believe me or don't.
Well I am me I just am myself but I act a little different on the computer more open you could say not as closed up as I am in person but still the same person
I am more myself here in VR than anywhere else.....I find it easier to just be me here...in the real world I am quieter I think ...LOL
*goes into a clothing stores and stands very very still*
"I am who I am, and thats all that I am." Popeye the Salior.
Real or false identity? It's a mixture of both. In this world you have to play two roles the person you have to be and person you are. No matter what others say I believe everyone puts on a different face everyday. Noone is true to their being noone !!
For every person who says "i am who i am" perhaps one in 50 of you is telling the truth.
yeah, i've been around abit, and i know that to be true.
Too many people see themselves with blinders on. And they manage to leave out details in a pretty big way. Some more, and some less than others.
But let me tell you a story.... there was a guy from Australia.... he spoke to his online love for 7 months, and cranked up $15000 in phonebills. he quit both his jobs, gave away EVERYTHING he owned, and flew to the US. He finally met the love of his life.
5 days later, they were married.
2 weeks after that, he started noticing little things. She had never lied to him, but she had told him things from her perspective, instead of with ultimat objectivity. Thus, she had told him about the "her" that she wanted to be, as opposed to who she actually was.
4 months later, they were divorced.
Yeah, even when people try to be themselves, they are rarely successful.
I consider myself pretty much the same on the phone, on one site or another. In chat, in person.
the biggest difference is i give more details and depth in conversation, coz i talk faster than i type.
but overall there are very few who are truely themselves completely. for whatever reason.
Pity it took me such a big and expensive lesson to find that out. yeah, that story was about me.....
R
that was very touching for a naked guy. I think that's a great life story to be honest.
i can't imagine how someone would create an entire false identity online. Why would they conjur up an entire facade only to later be shattered when they face reality ? masochist? i think so.
Its amazing how people can make defense mechanisms to com up with an image.
My ex fiance was so insecure, that he was simply like an onion, qwith layers and layers of different persoanlities, and they changed with who he was around... I dont mean adapting to different situations, I mean personalities. thats some poeples way of coping, but not the one I would choose.
I think everyone who has posted on this thread has shown that their reputation and image is important to them, rather than just being a person floatinng aorund on the internet, and with the loose morals and lack of actual connection that can be ascociated with being online, its good that people do care about how they conme accross, and that of course, is ultimately up to them.
Well of coarse image is important echo.
Else we would all have plain and basic profiles with nothing but facts.
Born yada
location yada yada
name yada yada yada
I also think it is a bit beyond impossible to show yourself other than through your own eyes.
I am a mean bitch to live with but some find it worth the time and effort for some reason of other. Never will know or understand why.
It is not a false persaud simply how the person sees themself....
mew
What you see is what you get, with me. No, I'm not a pierced and tattoo'd sheep. Anyone who knows me IRL will attest to the fact, I think, that I'm not much different in person than I am on here. Actually, it's quite possible that I'm MORE of a smartass in person.
So mslefaye, you are saying that without image we would have nothing decent to say about ourselves? I disagree. Of course people have an image, but thats not all there is to someone, or they would be exceedingly shallow.
For people who take the time to listen, they can help themselves see the world through the eyes of others, and how they percieve the subject. Only seeing the world totally through your eyes would be blaitant egocentrism, which never goes down well when it comes to having a personality.
Think what I am saying is anything writen by one person is that persons thoughts.
Everyone's biggest flaws I have found thus far to be themselves atleast how they see themselves either inflating their sense of self or self depreciating.
Tis quite rare to find one that can say and show both the good and the bad in themselves openly and honestly in everything especially discriptions of the Self.
As for image as I said
Facts alone are quite boring
Name
Rank
Serial number
Cannot compare to writen words and thoughts on matters especially about self. Always subjective as we are not machines....
Otherwise there would be no need for pictures. No need for backgrounds no need for anything to spice life up.
Image does show the inner person both good and bad....
respectfully,
Katrina
The more a person knows about themself, the more they can accept themselves, and cope with situations more amiccably. Instead of 'changing' themselves, they can work on strengths and weaknesess as an individual. This could be empowering, rather than seeing the world only as WE do, and being egocentric. Seeing the good and bad in yourself is a matter of self discovery, and I think a person needs to be humble to accept their faults, but faults are not necessarily permenant.
Image is one way of showing what a person is like. In terms of self- image, this is peceived as suggesting that 'this is how I am wanting to be seen, this is what I want to potray at first sight.' for example, you called yourself a 'mean bitch to live with' in your previous post, and that may be true for all I know, but more likely it seems like for some strange reason you want people to see what picture of yourself, or else you wouldn't have said it. As the first judgement of a person is made in the first seven seconds (and of course most or all of that will be from sight) an appearance is important.
However, what is more important is that a person builds up a 'reputation' which is the external image from another source i.e. another person, which brings me back to my original point.
I dont think you understand my point about image and personality, as in the two are totally different. Image can reflect your personality, but your personality is what people get to know you for, and what peppers up the mundane aspects of your life, and 'turns' you into a person. In summary, boy bands have images, real people have personlities.
im me for the simple reason that if i build up an identity, after a while i wouldnt know who i aim, and what kind of life is it if ure a stranger to yourself?
I am the same no matter what, I make sure that I am. Why would I want to change? there is no reason
Im not in any way syaing that poeple need to change... but sometimes, people want to be aware of their virtues and faults and make the best of it.
sushi san says "i dont care who you are everyone has a front when you first meet them." words of wisom brought to you today by the lettter S for sushisan ^_^
I am who & what I say I am. I have a clear view of myself and don't clame to be more than I am.
I'm the real deal be it on line..at a club..on the phone..in the parking lot b4 a gig whatever.
Honestly honesty holds a hig spot in my book....That being said....to get that you have to do it...so says I!
So basics..I'm a twisted bitch with "anger issues" but I'm a fun one!
*should have added:
However..how someone else sees me I cannot controle..What shapes the thoughts and such of another..welll that's fully up to them.
I would never lie about myself....that is why I dont really tell much about me
This is what i beileve their is no such thing as normal people we are all weird in our own weird way and if you think your normal you weird
Every word I speak, everything written on my profile, and everything I write on the profile of others, is my own words, thought up by my own mind, flowing from my own fingertips as I type it out for all to see. The long profile is showing that when I have interest in something, I tend to speak more indepth about it, the bits of sarcasm and arrogance thrown in, is my own personality shining through, my journal contains real thoughts and emotions, and my portfolio hold many pictures expressing my many emotions, from irritated to seemingly resting peacefully Everything on my profile is purely me, purely Kataryne, not a creation residing solely in the minds of others. I am an acquired taste, some may hate me, others are bound to love me. I am all 5 senses. I am what some dream about, but I walk amongst the real world. I am me, I am Kataryne. Love me and take me or hate me and leave me alone. *smiles* And I do assure you this would be the same had I been sitting right infront of you saying from my own mouth.
*dons horns and long cape, picks up pitchfork*
I advocate that one can't be fake.... one is what one does... and hence there is no fakeness there are no masks there is only what one has done and is doing....
it is all the person regardless... not masks but facets of ones personality so even a blatent lie is the truth about that person because they chose that lie and that reveals a lot about them.
*stuffs the horns and pitchforks back in daermons closet where they belong*
Mordes you have horns sprouted from your skull why put plastic over them?
Alwayz myself warts an all why pretend to be sumbody else??
Actually......regarding that last post...While there is only so much trouble to get into online...I'd have to say I'm much more of a mischevious little smartass in person...only reason being, as I said above, there's only so much that I can get into online that would suit my taste in "trouble" *tries to look innocent*
And mordes...don't even try to pull that one over on anyone..the horns are yours and they're REAL.
i wouldnt know bloodsheen but i would love to find out sometime. lol
I do my best to be the real me. And I usually succeed unless you are just too stupid then I might take advantage of your gullibility and make stuff up to "amaze" you. I haven't found anyone like that here yet
one point tho......does the rest of the world see you as you see yourself......
probably not.....
so who do they see?
the world has always been a crule place to be. people dont take time to stop and see things in the persons shoes or way of thinking.