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there has never been a true vampire ever created or existed so whats the problem?

i guess i will hit u with some true hardfacts then

no one knows for sure some people believe others dont as for myself i know what i am and i cant change the fact but i do have some feeling about it like now days alot of people out there call themselves vampires just because they think its the in thing being a vampire is just like another fad who knows what is truly real and what isnt

well if you take a look through out history. in every culture the vampyre has been spoken of and feared. so if so many different cultures talk about them, have stories about them. i think that they might has existed

It doesn't matter if they are real or not Belief is enough if they are real to me then why should I listen to any one saying they are not and vise versaI happen to believe that in every legend there is some truth I know that there are ppl that need hemegloben to survive so even if that is as real as the story gets its real

well, i think there has to bean origin from where all the myths and stories about vampires come from. If there hasnt been ever a real vimpire then how can all the stories and believers have survive for centuries
It all depends also on what do you think a "real vampire" is.

Then by that rational Vampire Bats do not exist?

They are true vampire; they (like the mosquito, the tick, and the flea) live off of a diet of blood. Hence Vampire's do exist.

Depends on your meaning of the words, as cliche as that sounds.

There are legal zombies around... so who's to say there aren't vampires... betcha there is a disease around (I can name a few if I look it up in my computer) where there's probably refered to as vamps...

Are we talking "hollywood vamps" or "Psi/Sang" vamps?

Because one I know exists, he other I truly bealive to be crap...

Just wondering which we were talking about!

i think that vampires exist being there are so many other cultures that have a history on vampires and even in the bible there is talk of them mostly in the jewish bible about lilith and cain but they are there so yes i do believe highly that they existed and still very much do....espsially when you have drempt about strange vampiric men and woman from a very young age

"Vampires" have existed in many cultures, but not all cultures called them by the same name, & there were different beliefs about what made a vampire, if they existed, & what the point of that existence was- were they somehow, tragically left behind? Was bloodlust the only thing keeping them here? Was being a vampire redemption or damnation- or both?

There are a million different answers, none right or wrong. History, as it usually does, leaves us to draw our own conclusions, & few are EXACTLY alike.

Yes, actually, there is a disease where those who suffer from it are actually referred to as "real vampires." I can't remember the name of it, & Google is failing me right now, but I remember one of the characteristics of someone suffering from it were strange, unexplainable skin lesions. I believe the psychiatric part of it was something about how seeing the lesions, bleeding, the person came to believe they would run out of blood & needed more.

Some would try to substitute animal blood, usually in the form of eating steak, hamburger, or other meats raw, while others believed only human blood would do. These people would try to frequent hospital areas where surgeries were performed, to find droplets, vials, etc. Few of these "real" vampires actually KILL or maim someone.

The condition got quite a lot of attention several years ago, after being covered on "CSI."

I think you need to explain exactly what kind of vampire you are talking about before you ask what proof could be used to show they exist.

The disease one poster is thinking of is Porphyria.

Now, raziel, you mentioned "true hard facts" yet have posted none.

I lay down a challenge:

PROVE, as you are so insistent, that there never have been and are not now in existence, "true" vampires, and please, give your definition of "true" vampires (as there are so many different possible interpretations of the word). Give those true hard facts, and cite your sources.

Thank you, Requiem, I could not find the name!

Sorry about the multiple short messages, but I hadn't meant to push "Post." I found a link about Porphyria & I wanted to add that, in case anyone wants more info.

Here it is:

http://www.porphyria.org.uk/

lol Requiem you beat me to it, I was going to ask for the hard facts as well

mind you if they come be prepared to sweep me away in a pile of ashes

*grins*

I think it's mostly impossible to say one way or the other if something like this exists. If there were a virus causing "classic" vampirism, and it were discovered, such a thing would be possible to prove. Otherwise, disproving it would be completely impossible, and proving it would only be possible through a personal encounter.

On the other hand, I believe fully in psychic and sexual vampirism, as I have experienced it. I think alot of people fall into this category without even realizing it. Personally..... I think I do feed off of emotion and sexual energy. As a student of the occult, this isn't an alien concept. Any donors?

Realistically, scientific explanation is the only thing that could prove or disprove the existence of vampires. So far, any "facts" that surround vampires are dismissed as being rare diseases such as certain types of anemia and a disease called porphyria. Until someone in the scientific community comes forward with solid, undisputable fact, then the will never be "proof" that vampires truly exist. Much like religion, one must either believe, disbelieve, or believe in possibility.

if you do not believe, why do you come here

Who was that question directed to? Or was it just in general?

*looks to Kabal*

Prolly came here to be "kewl".

It's not something that is scientifically proven but this is like a faith in something.

Most believe in a religion,in love,whatever.....others believei n vampires.None proven of their existance,you just decide to believe in them or not.

*bites back a few sarcastic comments*

OK this one is on topic.

It's like trying to prove that air doesn't exist, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not all around us.

So it's not just me then.

u think we do not exsist, you will never see us, we hide in the darkness to await our prey, and once we pick you, you'll never see the day

The way I see it, Vampyres appear in folklore and ledgends right around the world, so at somepoint, and very very possibly still, they will have existed.

People can say that vampires don't exist, but then go onto say that 'God' exists, both are based on a belief. Somthing is real if you believe it, and who has the right to say that what you believe isn't real?

I believe in a thing called Love, just listen to the rhythm of my heart.

And still you dont reply..

Well if we're going to continue this up.. what tells you that you are living and not just in a very realistic dream?

Also what if they do exist, does it bother that they might exist like any other being on earth? Being a Vampire doesnt mean you have super power or something, its simply a condition where a big amount of extra energy is needed & one will get ti one way or the other, the spirit of the human needs it, and nothing will stop it from getting it, and also where those who may be vampires have a higher perception of most things, like everything in human nature, it isnt always to the same level in everyone.. and not everyone works in the same way, maybe vampirism is simply a way of thinking about it, maybe there are other ways, we simply choose to think of it as being such.

But as to hard facts that they dont exist, I dont see that you have posted any as yet, and most probably you should have done that before now. Still its your choice..

Everyone will keep to their beliefs and also feelings - which I would advise people should rely on much more.

Just my thoughts

If you look up the worrior Vlad you will be able to read up on the history of how long the lengend of a vampire is...through the years, people have been adding thier own thoughts of what a vampire is, based on the classic niovels and movies of the gothic kingom...In others words, ;people have been trying to set a stereotype for this particular horror classic ever since they started making movies about vampires...

Raviel, just because you are on a vampire site doesn't mean that everyone here thinks that vampires are some separate race of immortal individuals.

There is myth and then there is reality, and they are often very different things.

If some people want to believe that vampires exist then thats there perogative... a lot of people have a faith when there is no cohesive proof to show anything otherwise, and theres nothing wrong with that.

However, I believe that vampirism is a state of mind and opinion of the individual.

yes vampires in the defined meaning are real. my friend is a by all means a vampire. cant stay in the sun hates garlic need blood transfusions like every month.

It doesn't have to be those stereotypical things to make someone a vampire... isn't that the point of this thread?

I'm not completely sure where raziel intended to go with this thread... but to me it seems to be about proof versus belief.

Let me state my position in a different manner. Prove to me that god exists. You can't do it. Prove to me that god doesn't exist. You can't do it.

You could say something like "Well... I saw this and it looked like a miracle." Or "I practice the occult, and I've seen results." But none of this is proof.

On the other hand you could say "Look at all the evil in the world."

Neither is proof, and in my opinion, it's much the same on the matter of vampires. The way things stand right now, the existence of vampires has been proven no more than that of god. But it hasn't been proven that they don't exist either. It's simply a matter or believing or not.

Well, to tell you the truth, they believe there are already proof of vampires.

For example they said to have found ancient artifacts that led to the vampires. They believed to have found used and worn steeks and crap like that.

But you know what, to me vampires were myths, but then again they were not. They believe that the vampire bat are offsprings of vampires that may have existed hundreds or thousands of years ago.

I'm starting to think that Raziel doesn't truly exist, he may be just an after effect of some REALLY Bad drugs we all did back in the 60's.

I have to agree with you Ashkalon. Why start a thread and not return in a timely matter to further discuss the subject?

Hehe...Good one...But do we have proof, besides the bible, that God is real? I still believe in him...So why not believe in Vampires?

Read about the Highgate vampire...Sean Manchester's account of finding and killing a vampire in 1970's...He is now a priest and exorcist.

well it must have been some really bad drugs that my mom did in the 60's for it have been passed through to me in 1985, lol.

I have found people like him on a great many forums, who try and start a 'contraversal' (sp, my spelling is appauling, and I have only just got out of bed) thread, only to discover that once people start to reply, it isn't arguing as they had first hoped.

He stated in his 2nd post that he would come back to us with hard facts? Maybe he is locked inside a libary? Or think's that he is the first male slayer (I think Buffy has fried my brain) and is hunting down his watcher, for them to give him the hard facts?

Vampires have fasinated me since I was 6 years old, and my dad bought me a pop up picture book of Dracula, as a reward for my patientce, through getting dropped off with baby sitters while my parents were helping to nurse my Grandfather through his final weeks.

But until somebody can give me evidence that beyond all reasonable doubt vampires never existed, I am going to keep on believing that they do, and have always existed.

Ive learn that if you read diffrent cultres myths youll find the answer

LOL, so my first post is this.......

I think everyone here needs to ask this: Do TROLLS exist?

Looks like he got ya!

Yes, I've seen "TROLLS" all over the place.

-person who started this thred

you said u had cold hard facts?

id like to see them :-) thanks

ok then, we live in a very superstitious age, i like the culture the music and alot of other things associated with vampire beliefs.
but the belief that there are immortal beings with super strenght, that live on blood alone, and have other inhuman powers is quite strange, and as for this psy feeding thing, i would like to meet someone who claims they can do that and try it on me, if they truely exist then i want to believe trust me, but so far i don't get by on blind faith, just as the biblical god suggests, i believe in a few strange things but that is because i have experienced them.
but to have a belief in something that is not proven would mean belief in such things as, Dragons,Unicorns, Aliens, Fairies, Gnomes, God, mummies and people who come back from the dead, maybe no one understands what i'm saying and i meant not to cause offense

That makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps you can be a donor for someone and you will have your proof. The question of the immortal is another story. Basically it boils down to what an individual is willing to believe.

In many cultures, people are draen to evil, and many of them drink blood. If thats not proof then I dont know what is

never say never..your not a god, you dont know everything..not everything can be proven correct or true..
its about belief, about experience and knowledge gained...

Raziel, if you become the donor for a true psychic vampire, you will feel it. You will recognize the symptoms of low energy. As far as the undead vampires, I don't believe in them, either.

i am all yours i want to feel it i beg!!! i fear not very much but then that would be a psychic ability not true vampirism am i right, witches have claimed to do that for centuries, if someone wants true energy then why don't they bite an electric cord carrying 440 volts wouldn't that be the ultimate rush?

raziel

if a sanguine took you as a donor then you would have proof that at least there are blood drinkers, albeit in small quantities, and you could argue the point as to whether it was a fetish for them or an actual need for energy.

If a psy fed from you.....well, those who control it you probably wouldnt feel it anyway....if one latched to you and continually fed you would fel an energy drain like you wouldnt believe.

If you have no psychic gift of your own you can sit in a chat room and be fed upon, I knowinstantly when someone is trying to tweak my shields either on or offline.

As for the immortal vampire that changes into a bat.....no. However, myths are usually based on reality of some sort, and as every culture sems to have its own brand of vampire, I would say that sanguine and psys have been here from the beginning of time......the ignorance of the early people when feeling a drain of one form or another would have been enough for them to over mystify the truth...one only has to go back a few hundred years to find evedence of old hags being burned as witches, and all most did were to use their skills of healing etc. Ignorance can breed a terrible fear, and if vampyric people did not understand what they were doing it would have been all too easy to have been discovered, hence their need for secrecy.

well miss nastya i would gladdly be your donor if your could take some life from me i think i would like it, i am hyperactive and an insomniac so if you could possibly do the honors i would like it

lol

well taking life isnt usually what I do, and meditation and healing techniques would do you more good to be honest. If the psy can replenish your energy or calm you whilst they feed then it would benefit you, some can many cant.....

*grins*

hot chocolate before bed could work as well lol

wjat about Xeroderma pigmentosum and pophyria which are dieases which can cause sinlight to be fatail for disfiguering. blood products injections nessersary...ect... and alot of other vampiric charatoristics?

Stories, Folklore, Campfire Tales...Call them what you want....but they don't exist without some kind of fact or truth behind them. Everything we know has some kind of origin. Now if that origin is what we know now or not is a whole different story!

As for immortal vampires I don't believei n them niether.I believei n the possibility of everything but not to certain things and immortal vampires is one of them.No reason to do so,just don't want to.

VW has a good point ^_^

belief or not

and the black vail also has strenght to hide a fact from those who seek

so i sugest those that do wish to try and dispell the ways of a vampyr to tred carefuly within any shadows they pass into. =)

most stories and much of history exsist because some thing prompted the event of it being written or told

I know I am a true Vampire. If you read my profile you can get an idea of my qulities. I love drinking blood, it makes me feel good and strong. Also the way I see it if you drink blood and you energized by drinking blood you are a Vampire. I can do a lot of things a normal human can only wish he could do. My profile states the things I know. the only thing I have not been able to do is telecaneisis. But I will learn someday.

Vamps are real and that is my opinion

My opinion, vamps and all this kind of creatures are just a figment of any human's imagination, aldo I do not say I do like the idea of it myself, still they are not real nor ever will be. Anything is possible in this life how proboble can it be? that what everyone has to ask themselves. How probable is it to see or find a vamp in this world...I say aboput 1 in 1.000.000.000.001 chances.

That still depends on your personal definition of waht a vampire is. If you mean the undead, then you're right in saying they don't exist. If you mean the living, psy/sang vampires, then how can you tell them that they don't exist?

Firebender, I agree with what LaMuerte has to say, what vampire is it you do not believe exists.

Are you stating that all here who have said time and time again that they 'feed' on whatever energy force they need are unreal, liars? or just that it's the hollywood hype you don't buy into?

you can prove anything if you try. I have proven to my profesor that black is white and water is dry.
Most def.

Firebender wrote:

How probable is it to see or find a vamp in this world...I say aboput 1 in 1.000.000.000.001 chances.

What should they do to prove it to you?

And not everyone says what kind of lifestyle they do.

Raziel we live in the same area and I am a psi/sang vamp.If you would like to see what it feels like to be fed off from a psi/sang vamp let me know.I'll show you bout hard cold facts where psi feeding is concerned. ;) You might want to eat your wheaties and take a nice size dose of vitamins beforehand though lol

NO one can prove that vampires do not exist.

How exactly would one prove that? Can't be done

What I have to say may piss people off but its my opinion on this thread so I will go ahead and post it. Who has proven whether or not god exists, but look at society today. Many people believe and put alotof faith in his existence. We have books written and the bible which is the top selling book of all time. So while no there is no actual proof, I would have to say that the idea came from somewhere. Or is everything we read and believe just a figment of someone's over active imagination. Do vamps exist? I guess that depends on the person who is reading this. I am vamp, so I guess they exist. I wrote this didnt I?

Why would an actual true Vampire waste time on a website? No offence to anyone here.

Hm. Interesting.
Let me turn this around: Prove me that they never existed.

It has not been proven yet if real vampires existed or not..We shall find out one of these days..But no one has known for years..

See my profile, see my belief. But you know, I could be insane, or looking for attention. Any number of things, really. Hearsay is not proof.

Here's an idea; if you find one, club 'em over the head and drop it off at a lab.

The main reason real vampirism is not more widely believed is the failure of the general public to understand exactly what the virus which produces the condition actually is, or how it functions. Most people do not understand - or believe - that human DNA can be altered in such a way as to produce such a being. Actually, many things can alter a person's normal DNA. Drugs such as LSD and Thalidomide cause DNA changes and many viri (plural form of virus) can change the DNA in a single gene. A combination of these altered genes can change the overall DNA of a living human.
The term vampire - used as a medical term - must be separated from the vampire myths; a Viral Vampire is an infected human. Though the DNA in the host human has been greatly altered, the organism remains human in the medical sense as the number of chromosomes has not been changed. All humans - in fact the entire human race - has the same number of chromosomes; the number of chromosomes is what makes them human. Technically the vampire is still a human, but for sake of discussion we think of viral vampires as non-human or as the next step up in human evolution. This is difficult to believe because many of the attributes of a vampire are considered to be better and more developed than humans. The strength, speed, enhanced mental and/or psychic abilities, the ability to digest human and other blood more efficiently are but a few of the differences.

The reason this happens is the basic human DNA is altered by the virus. The virus - we call it V5 - is NOT the same virus as HIV5. To simplify, it is transmitted through a simple infection. This infection is gained either through birth or infection from one who has the virus and passes it on. The child inherits the infection, passed on from the mother or father. The parent may have picked up the virus from some other member of their family such as a cousin, aunt, brother, etc. and thus the infection is passed on to the new born child. Rarely are both parents infected, i.e. vampires themselves. More often, they are carriers of the virus, in a similar manner to the way a red haired child is born to a family who, for several generation, have been all blond. The passing of the virus to the child from the parent produces an Inheritor Vampire1 child. The V5 is passed on to the newborn much the same way the AIDS virus is passed from mother to child. In such a child, the virus remains dormant until the catalyst of the onset of puberty. The release of hormones is believed to activate the virus system.
By Night Poe (http://www.geocities.com/vampiricstudies)

Psyvamps/emotional vamps...sure you can call it what you will but energy/emotion feeders are there...As far as the immortal bloodfeeding for their very existance type?? Ummm No. And if you think you are one, as I have stated before, I have some new handloads for my 7mm MaG that need to be balistically tested, and what better way?? LOL...

lol...

Renshai, I like your style. I would like to see the crazy mofo to step in front of a bullet with perfect faith in their own immortality.

so far none of the "immortals" has ever taken me up on it...They have to eat dinner with their mommies first or something..LOL...but yeah thanks...tee hee!!! Always liked that one...Proof is in the pudding so to speak.

I have trouble with the question because it sounds like your a bit confused between reality and fiction. No offense intended. Then again faith is a personal matter anyway. Look at all the religions in the world. What solid proof do thay have.

I can understand Raziels thoughts on things. Sometimes you need to see or feel to believe. It is obvious he has a great interest because he is here. Is he searching for something he cannot understand about himself.. I know that I am. Maybe its the same thing. I would like to hear why he is here. That is something that he hasnt stated..

i believe theres vampires out there and its hard not too when u no one

As far as I can think I don't think there is any physical proof of vampires out there. yes in the old days many cultures had a name for vampire and feared them but in recent research it has been proven that most of what made people vampires in those days were natural things that happened at the time of death or natural symptoms of plagues that in those days the people didn't know of and stated as being characteristics of vampirism. So I really don't know..

there's folklore...and that's about it...and not all "folklore" vampires or whatever the name drank blood...vampire bats eat bananas too and insects...but are only ever referred to for their blood drinking.

I use to have a Vitamin D deficiency where I'd get rashes and/or lessions on my skin...but a "deficiency" or genetic problem isn't enough proof for anything.

Hehehehehe. That was good Raziels. I bet you offended a lot of puppy vampires in this page.

my intentions were never to offend anyone, I want to learn alot of what this great belief is about and see if i can get someone who claims to be a real vamp show me, cause if i was a real vamp i surely wouldn't be on my pc learning about it i'd be out there building my great empire.
i have read extensively about vampires, gods, and witchcraft, and have only had understanding and experience with one of these.
but recently i have spoke with my mentor about vampires, and i kinda have a new outlook on them, after i posted this forum.
and i think i'm more opened minded about them.
i just want to see if there are any real ones or if its just a sub-culture

i agree with Rowantears. the government has many coverups, so it is possible that this is another one. there have always been "vampires", but people have had proof of real vampires, it never got to the public, you know how you always hear things at night? its not always the wind ;) i do believe that vampires are real, and there are more then the people who love blood (like me and many people on vampirerave) you know there probally are a few real vampires on vampirerave.com and they joined it just to be ironic. i love irony. but serious, there are vampires, there is proof, most reporters wont take the case bc they think its fake and a waste of thier time.

If they never existed then how come so many different cultures oceans apart have some type of myth, legend or picture of one. I find that so interesting how so many unconnected cultures have simular ideas..
Anyhow thats just my thoughts....

well just because there were storiesabout it doesn't mean it existed... however just because there is no proof they ever existed doesn't mean that they didn't. It all depends what you believe but others are entitled to their own beliefs and if they feel strongly about it, it can exist in their world. Personally that is where i stand, i cannot say they do or don't exist but i will be open to either possibility...

As someone stated here earlier..a real vampyre would not waste his/her time backing up someone's question as to whether they're the real thing, or not.

I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. Be very carefull what you wish for in life, for if you get what you are asking for it may not be what you want.

Heed these words...

:) STABB

Time for a clean up and RIP the "too long to be bothered to read" threads

Mistress Moreish