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Some people feel that vampires hide behind RPG games. Sort of the " i can pretend to be a vampire and yet i am one" bit....
What if say vampires do this out of fear of being rediculed by others?
Do you believe that RPG books may contain a hint of truth about vampirism?

Your thoughts please........

Hmmm....Thats a good ?- It's possible, but you'd have to find a vampire RPG that didn't totally exaggerate the truth. But, i think your gonna have a long and fruitless search. lol no offense by the by

-lover zani

no doubt they do have a hint....
every good lie holds a grain of truth to it's core.....

wow, thats actually a pretty good point.
Alot of RPG vampire games, are way to exagarated though. Most include stakes and zombie like creatures.. i mean, if you stab anyone in the heart with a stake, theyre at the same risk of dyeing as the next person does.

Daermon: well said. i can certainly agree with that statement.

I'd say that vampire fiction itself holds more truth than White Wolf RPGing books. Especially the newer novels written by Charlene Harris or Laurell K. Hamilton.

Author's like those two are notorious for sitting on egroups under a screen name lurking and listening while Kin talk about the everyday issues that affect their lives..

Hmmm... don't know.

At the moment I doubt it.That's how I feel maybe am wrong.

RowanTears: that's interesting to know. Thank you all so far for your imputs. :)
I hope they keep coming.

I Role Play Vampire the Requiem because its fun. When else do I get to play some undead creature with the ability to turn into mist and is trying to break past the weakness of the vampiric forum?

Some times playing the extrem helps put in light that the condition that we actually suffer from isn't really that big of an issue.

Not to mention it helps get out some hosilities as I beat the crap out of Non living characters known as NPC.

- Sin

it is the ones who cant make a difference between RP and real life anymore that worry me.

Nope, vampires have nothing to do with RPG, RPG is a world hidden in this world which many like myself love more than this one. Its an image of what or how would one be in a perfect world where one would be part of something even greater than one itself, yet having a spotlight of importance. Vampires are way on the other side of what rpg is.I am one of the people that loves rpg more than anything even to find it bigger than this world or vampire world.

I would have to say, yes, there is a hint of truth to some of the Vampyre RPG's.

I've played V:tm, and find alot of similarities to real world 'vampyres'.

Well it really depends on the author of the books. It depends if the author is known on spreading truths in their work about whatever it is they wrote the book about.

I dont know about that why would you ever want to hide who and what you are.

Let's not give these lame ass RPG'ers any more credit than they deserve, which is none! My answer to the primary question, is no. No, I don't.

- D

Very true, those who cannot define the difference between reality and fiction are the ones we need to worry about. With that said I would suggest watching out for some of the members of the Sanguinarium which Todd Sebastion has created.

- Sin

We should not group everyone up in the Sanguinarium as roleplayers. It's true, that they are very influenced by it. But no more so than most of the posts I see here daily. I certainly don't agree with everything Todd says..but I will not be so unfair as to class everyone that rides with him in such an implied negative light.

- D

I wasn't saying everyone in the Sanguinairum are those who cannot define between reality and fiction. If you noticed I said Some members had to be watch out for.

- Sin

I didn't mean to imply that you did..just that such a specific association deserves an extention. Just making sure everyone else caught that one. With so much bickering between us all, it would be a shame to exclude any others based on a preconcived notion of what they might be because they belong to a certain group.

- D

Considering I have my own theories of Vampireism, I belive that some vampire RPGs, and even people who play vampire characters in pen and paper and online roleplays... may contain some truth.
However.. most is not true, not according to what i belive is true
We do infact inhabit human bodies
Vampirism is a symbolistic symbiotic relationship with the human mind and body..
Meaning, those of us who are vampiric, are because we were made that way
To take away our vampirism would mean death of our minds and souls.
The human body is not made to drink blood, yet there are people who do. does that make them Vampiric? No. They may be vampiric, but they certainly dont need blood for Physical nurishment
Physical
As for Psi Vampires, feeding off of energy is more belivable.
Again, most RPG books go by the Nosferatu, or a set of clans that are portrayed by the people who created the games or books in the first place
You would have to see if the creaters themselves are vampiric, and if those 'clans' and 'types' exist.

I personally think there is at least a grain of truth for every myth has some fact to it...

you would have to pick apart, compare and contrast basic parts of each vampire/supernatural myth out there to find out the truth.
Its a long hard process.

Before I comment on something that shocked me, what kind of rpg are we talking about again? is it the role playng game kind or the kids who instead of chatting they rpg with others?

we'll go with any kind of RPG.....

Then in this case MRD your remark offends me totally for if it wasen't for rpg'ers no computer graphics would exist, no new technollagy would ever be demanded. I truelly believe Rpg world is bigger, may not have " " history behind it, but I do believe its more influencing and better than vampire world. Infact I can say that if it wasen't for rpg'er your preciuos movies of vampires and games would not be known to anyone.So I believe that infact they deserve alot more credit than its been given to them.

*note* this comment is if infact we are talking of rpg as in role playing games and not the new teenagers way of chatting thru internet.

excuse me
I play normal RPG's I also do the RPing (with a structor and plot!!) in Instant messages

If it wasnt for the 'teenage way of talking thru internet' as you put it...
I wouldnt be half as good as writing as I am now!
(excuse the typos, dont let this post fool you.)

I wasen't trying to say its nonsence the new " " teenagers way of chatting, I was mearly trying to differ for thoes who might mix the terms, is why I put it that way.I did it myself and guess is just like you I got a bit better in typing.

My comment simply says in rpg world *games, grapphics and others that come in this subject* that they do deserve more credict than what they have given wish has been the mixunderstanding that rpg and vampire world are the same or go together for that matter.

okay.. I'm sorry I just.. I take pride in my set of characters and the countless story segments I have manage to integrate into my ultimate story.. which has yet to be written.. lol

Hey dont sweat it we are both in the same page so I am glad for that. :P dont sweat it

There may be some truth, but one must always be careful when it comes to reading too deeply into anything...

you may be right as well, I might have read to deep that is why I made my small note a side, I dont wish to start an argue over it.

It's certainly a good way of 'feeling out' how other would perceive them. However a game is just a game-- they'd be more rediculed if they outright said it, I owuld think.

You know what you are RIGHT! I did that for years when I was younger and its hard to get out of that scene that you have created for yourself cos its safe.~NFA

It's all about adapting. Trusting those closest to you-- and discard them if they're not going to bother hearing you out.

I've had to do it-- even the Mate I'm with right now barely aknowledges what and who I am as of late.

Thats very understandable mrd and I see your logic.

- Sin

My knowledge of RPG's is limited, but I don't understand why people always say that there is a hint of truth behind every myth, story, or RPG. I have heard of the Easter bunny for 30 years, but have never seen the little fella.

Poor humanity! is always trying to steal the truth they wanna hear from whatever they can....having complete faith in whatever myth they get... Come on!!!! let's go to put our feet on the ground, please!!!!!

In truth you dont really know whats outside your own walls, myths originated somewhere didnt they. As for RPG's, nothing wrong with either acting out fantasies or either being able to be yourself within an accepting group of people. Never know what you are going to find out there.

vampires hide in everything.......and its stupid..........

I have to agre with Nas there are those who play a part so well they begin to believe what they are making up

An excellent response Nastya. Fantasy is a necessity as a de-fuse to the insanity of everyday life. As you so eloquently stated, fantasy offers one the chance to be something - or someone - that one could not be in real life.

I grew up in a real honest to goodness Mafia family. Now, I would never dream of following that path, but, if I choose, I can engage in a Mobster rpg to relieve the pressures I feel that lead to want to whack certain people. Funny how I seem to feel that way a LOT more these days. *Grins* But I digress.

When fantasy supplants the real it is just as harmful as heroin or crack; perhaps even more so. What's more, the fantasy, having supplanted reality has also brought with it new pressures. Whence then does one look for relief?

In the end, it is balance that must govern us, or rather we must adhere to in all things. The Yin and the Yang is not just a cool symbol but rather an eloquent and powerful statement on how to succeed in the Universe.

So, live a bit of fantasy, but when you want to play Superman, just remember that gravity STILL is the law and 70 soreys is a hell of a drop.

i can understand the question at hand, but i personally do not divulge myself in RPGs nor do i intentionally associate myself with people who do... From past experience i have met RPGers that lose themselves between the fantasy world and reality and i think that once it has come to that point it has definately gone too far

sorry but i am not sure what a "RPG book" is!

RPG = Role Playing Game

The ones often referred to have played quite a substantial role in the formation of the vampyre community.

RPG's are a way for excuse the term here...little punks and stupid preppie posers to act all big, bad and cool....and hence why they hide behind themselves

Thats the same way I feel but instead of towards rpg groups for gothic people, as far I have noticed gothic people are scared people that will wear many masks even at the point where they believe their own lies.Rpg groups only made a world outside this one out of complete desire on like others that are in it simple because they are scared of even their own image.

some of us....aren't scared of what we choose to be...

I never said you nor pointed to anyone. -_-

I didnt meant to sound rough or anything sorry , just wanted to post somethign that is nor really important and she thought it was toward her personally so I wanted to clear out I did not point to anyone nor her in particularly sorry

Interesting. I have participated in a rpg and I am neither a "stupid punk" or a "preppie poser".

RPG is a way to explore a fantasy world, not unlike reading a good book or watching a movie. As for containing elements of the truth, I'm sure it does inasmuch as its participants weave their truths into the over-arching storyline.

Actually Claudia, I don't act big and bad when it comes down to rping. I make a character and an idea to how that character acts. Depending on the situation will depend on who my character acts.

Not everyone plays to be some bad ass, there are people out there that play to have fun and be something they are not. Not only that it helps with Acting skills. In order to act one must be able to create a Persona and act it out to the exact idea of how the persona is made to be.

Yes there are those that play just to be all big and bad, yet there are many who play just to have fun and to enjoy themselves, like me.

- Sin

Thank you all for your responses thus far. I enjoy reading everyone's viewpoints on this subject. I never knew it would go this far personally.
I guess i have to add my 2 cents and say that i have met some that do hide behind characters at times but they do know the difference between reality and fantasy. Not all players get "lost".
To them it is just way to be themselves without being ridiculed by others for what or whom they are.

My character gives me the outlet to be some dark evil creature that I personally am not and nor will ever be either. Its just another means to have fun. Thats what RPing was ment to be originally.

- Sin

i dont act out in an RPG game...i am who i am in real life and i show it...people who dont like it can f*** off....i love being a vampire and dont need a stupid little game to show it

Why the insults? is just comments, besides if you are not afraid of letting know your bvamparism neither does the ones that are into the rpg world. RPG world is just for my view standard to be on the other side with what this whole site is. I am a true RPG " " lover and will always be, aldo at the same time I do like the vampirism world in a bit as well.I think neither should be considered same nor alike, it does not help to see the diference when both do most times the same thing " ", but to me personally they are just too opposite.

if they werent exaggerated they wouldnt be as fun

Your right, if they weren't as exagerated on their actions it would miss the hole point to begin with and it wouldn't be as fun and crazy as it is.

i say i think RPG games aren't a cover or anything people like that just wish there was truth and make others wonder, if vampire did exhist why not take over the human race since they are obviously superior and create netherworldly trasports and idk conquer other places

lordvampirio had a really good point, what about the people who have sucked them selfs into a game soo far that they actually believe that they are a "real vampire", and do everything that they feel they should do as that person and end up hurting not only other people, but themselfs too. its scary how much the human imagination can screw someone up.

its like how some (very few) stage actors cant get out of thier character, and actually think that they are that person, and instead of "stage fighting" they actually throw a hit.

Vampire RPGs contain about as much truth about the vampire community as the myths they are based on. As far as the RPGers creating the vampire community no way it was around a long time before the RPG was ever thought of. They may have made it more publicised. I dont know any vampires that play RPGs to mask the fact that they really are a vampire. I'm not saying they dont exsist because they may I just dont know any.

Also, if the RPG you're involved with is boring, it is not even worth going out to do.

It happens a LOT over where I am. The UCF campus had a great one that just went downhill from what I understand. SO, I never bothered to go more than to watch a friend.

Naturexxxglory heres an answer to your question. You say why vampires havent taken over humans since the way they make them sound sure could take them all, well is very simple the reason why is because vampires do not exist, it is juts another imaginary world and a persons most loveable idea juts like rpg is.

well, i believe that it's possible. some of us hide who we truely are b/c we know that, 1. ppl wouldn't believe us, 2. that we are just imposters and we should be in a nut house, and 3. that we have no lives and that this is all we do all day.
i think that some ppl in the world are afraid of what could be out there, that is why they ridicule us.

Damn sonora that was a really good way of putting it, very thuthfull.

I love rpg games but I keep it real when it comes to vampires

I've never played any of the vampire RPGs, but I doubt they contain more than a taste of the truth.

... its....
...its an game....
*slams face into wall*
... yes... those hints...
ummm there are no hints its an rpg....
...that you play... with your friends...
its not an freakin guide book to the freaking night creatures... thats what the necronomicons for... DUH!

As for RPG/vampire games, i have found success in the Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen seris. Also, the Vampire: Masquerade as seen on this sight in the database, i heard is decent. although when i tries it, the graphics eemed lackluster and shoddy. much too blocky like the first Everquest. except worse. the gameplay is fun though.

I'm sorry.. What was the question? .. oh.. yeah.. I do believe that in some RPG's there is at least a grain of truth.. bide I said 'some.' I don't see why one would fear riddicule, for they would be who they are and hence uncaring of what others thought. Prudance may cause them to keep to themselves who or what they are, not fear.

What if RPGs were used by some to seek out others of like kind? Or by hunters to seek them out and destroy them?

i think that is a very valuable point! Many people are trapped in a role of vampire anyway because they know that they aren't really vampires. Role play games are good for shortening your learning curve, so this might be a good thing too. As long as you don't play the damn thing, the rules are way too complicated.

Dont know if there is any truth in PRG book vampires and "real" vampires - Im still not sure what a "real Vampire" is, if anyone feels like telling me, shoot me a message as im interested :)

I've kind of thought about that too...it would be kind of ironic if there were vampires working for gaming companies incognito...just kind of leeking out information...

RPGs are exactly that: Role Playing. They are not meant to mimic reality

RGP's are just a way to escape your life for a little bit and be something other then what you are.
You just need to know when to draw the line and remember you are not this RPG person.

alot of people do hide behind things but as i have said on alot of things it has to be with your personally

Hmm l reckon there would more then most likely be some truth to it but these days one can never be sure ...

the vampire bit is just fun to play as i see it i would love to accually be one but i know that is impossible and seeing as a human can only drink about a pint of blood before throwing it back up i dont know if there is any truth to it. kinda like in the ancient world (1700-1800) the people used to claim there were wiches and put people in unsurvivable situations to prove it. if they survived the were infact a wich.

Of course they are based to whatever degree on facts, myths, stories and what not.

I think that there is a bit of truth behind the RPG's but I really think RPG's are for people who wish to be a vampire or an other worldly creature.

I like to rp and LARP, dont feel that I am hiding behind anything but expanding upon what I am.

Letting parts of me that others may not necessarily understand come out, in a setting that they do understand to a degree..

But this is a good question. I will have to think on it some more.

tis entirely possible but until we get a full out confession from a vamp who has all the stops, ya know fangs, can't die, doesnt do sunlight, all that kinda stuff ya really can't be completely sure... but then I guess its just a matter of opinion as to what specifically makes one a vampire

Well, I mean....of course it rings a bit true, these RPGs. And as with a lot of things in life, there are people masquerading as a roleplayer when they are in fact the real thing.

But what defines a vampire is such a variable thing anyhow....that it RPG games could or could not be an accurate representation of people with true vampiric qualities.

Thats a reasonable question I suppose. I play VtM (Vampire the Masquerade) but I'm not doing it to "hide" behind anything....its just really fun to play it. I love being in the Malkavian clan. You should try it sometime. :)

it could hold a pathway, but deffinate on giving knowledge on the subject.it will be a journey to find the key.

I have herd that there are some rpg's that have actually studied the vampire culture. so I would say it just depends on which one you we talking about..

I think if vampires were to 'join' any vampire based RPG, they'd be laughing their asses off seing humans rp as vampires.

They contain no more or less truth than other books on the subject

I love going to RP's and watching the little kids act as Vampyres.

Perhaps, I think a little of our past is inside, some RPG, put there for no reason, but it has a purpose.....

I believe whoever thinks that vampires hide behind RPGs are ignorant. We keep secret yes, but we do not lower ourselves to hide behind the RPG. I do not believe that there is vampire history in these games. Anyone who claims to be a vampire in an RPG is blowing smoke.

RPG's have a level of truth behind it's illusion...you make a good solid point.

Well put Acacia Malandra... I must agree with you!! While there may be a small teeny weeny bit of exagerrated truth in them, no real vamp whether psi or sang would purposely hide behind them or try to mimic them...

Nastya and lordvampirio well said..... RPG is a great way to have fun, be it role playing around a table with dice, or online with others, or on your game console or PC, or LARPing, just make sure to know the difference between reality and the 'game of make believe' and not get lost in it - I'm sure several of us know of others that have.

Sitting on the walls of Princeton University, I see myself part of D&D from the Chemistry periodic table in the character roll so as for to vecome of rpg alike, yes.

If Hydrogen in considered as acceleration through inert and character rub from this group of elements.

search for one who changes the way a game is played

remember they also seek to assist humans

most humans fall into a behavour catagory
called an idiosycrisy(misspelt im shore)

the odd one out is the one of clues to a truth. ^_^all

I really enjoyed this post and feel that their is trueth no matter where it hides.

This post is fun :D

Hmmm..very good ?. Though I'd have to admit I own an rpg room, an anita blake room. I guess it would have to depend on the type of vampire that everyone believes in. Because every book a vampire is different, would these type actually exsist in the real world or are the powers and types of vampires different?

i have never heard that theory nor should it be just directed toward vampyres...i think everyone at one time or another likes to escape their daily troubles into a fantasy land

i personally believe that many people say that just to ridicule vampires and to make them lesser due to jealousy

So true all Role playing Games hold a Bit of truth to it, i personally love to role play, i enjoy the theatretical consistency of it...i find that with role play You can show off Your imagination and mental Superiority I have written a Few dances which are role playish in showing a slave girls submission to a Master *grins* I do love RPG! but Vampirism is much more then that to me, It is my inner core my Dark side... It is Who i am and desire to be! ive loved readin everyone's opinions here Nice Topic!

I have to agree with everyone here that most RPG do hold a bit of truth about vampires but in my own opinion I do believe that some young vampires do play the games as a vampire so they can in some way be out in the open about themselves without being hunted or ridiculed about who they are.

Aye, there always a hint of truth within that is what I believe. But it is hidden with exaggeration, some could hide behind it, tis true, but some do it just for fun.

good post alot do hide behind these books but yet hint humanity some curve to the truth

wow.....this post has been open a long time.

but i already made my point here and will leave (actually i just made another statement about somebodyelses point)

Oops she's not registered anymore. I hate it when that crap happens!!! :(

Heh heh heh, You know personally I wouldnt trust anything that made Vampyres too exagerated... stick to what you feel to be true, if you are one, you will know what is and what isnt. But that doesnt mean you have to match the description fully and entirely

Hmmm ive never played any online rpg games where i get to be a vampyre but ive played alot where i get to kill em lol.

i would have to agree with zani's comment

I see many here who can not differenciate an RPG with RL.

RPG are meant to have FUN. Thats all. Nothing more, nothing less. Except for making money for those who created them.

I RPG once every week. I've done several different ones and yes sometimes it becomes boring. Then you just have to say as a group : we quit this and we take on another RPG and start having fun again.

This has nothing to do with how I act in RL. I'm not behaving there as a Vampire or as an Elf or a Dwarf,.....

These books are works of ficion and quite often even works of art.

Besides the Vampires in the books of Anne Rice are totally different to lets say bram stoker's Dracula which is totally different to the white woolf vampire universe.

These are all different settings meant to bring pleasure to those who read, view, play them.

As to the myth/reality the Vampire ledgend is based on. Well it dates so far back in time that i'm sure we will never know. It's origins.

I belive one can find certain aspects of truth but I also think that rpgs are a way to become whom ever one wishes to be. For example, someone over weight can become a beautiful goddess. Its all about perspective.

Interesting thought. I think it all comes down to the person though. Some are so caught up in the vampire world they truely believe they are one. Others I think are vamps but enjoy the "escape" from reality. Others, such as myself, just enjoy the RP.

I never really got much into RPGstuff like that

What are RPG? Eh...

role playing games duh

I love to RP but sometimes it can get way out of hand and people can get really offended if you don't know very much about the person that you RP with!

Callia and AngelEnrique took the words out of my mouth. . . . I love to RPG and unfortunately, have not been able to play with anyone for a few years, but it is fun escapism and a time to enjoy friends and have some fun, and upon leaving, back to reality . . .

This is an interesting question, though ym agnostic points of view leave me to simply say that this may be a possibility.

role play games d&d

well, rpg jus shows how they would sometimes, i guess if ppl feel that way, then poser is the word i believe

It depends, I do roleplay and enjoy it, it helps me create, but I can make a differnce between it and real life, so roleplayers who can't see it are the ones to stay away from, and indeed behind every legend or myth there is truth so, who knows really, after reaserche I must say I can't denie the possibility of having ground for knowledge about vampire behind roleplaying game

Oh My I cannot belive this thread is still going. And I cant believ the person who made this is no longer registered.. odd.

lol.

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