An interesting piece indeed, LordSeth,
My first comment I should make is that I beleive in the theory that all have the potential.
I would like to note that I do not beleive that there will ever be a 'cut off' point where those who have not yet reached enlightenment will never be allowed to do so, nor do I feel that those who have repeatedly 'failed' to acheive it in a lifetime will be given a 'helping hand' or forced into it.
The nature of the two concepts are as you stated, differing in their approach to achieving enlightenment and it is indeed a choice of the individual for them to make that move if they want it and enevitably, some will not, but that is the nature of the karmic balance. For every one that does, one will not.
However, another important factor in this which I don't beleive was mentioned, is that the soul exists on many levels and the choices which we make for ourselves may well be predetermined within the timeless existence beyond the physical. (according to the both the traditions)
If that is so, then it could be a manifestation of the yin yang principle for some to choose and others to reject.
i am beginning to look forward to your posts love..
but anywho..
i agree that everyone has the poyiential to awaken yet some people are to afriad to take that leap. it is a hard road and it doesnt just come to you and everything is the way it should. its a long and hard road building and shaping yourself after you accept the awakening. Some people just cant handle that responsibility in themselves.
Interesting topic as usual:)
And interesting info from you too STABB pity I don't have any myself.
I believe that anybody can become anything, but certain people have a greater chance at succeeding at becoming something else. In the sense of whether or not the average joe can be a vampire or not, is entirely debatable, as he would have to first (atleast in my opinion) get used to the idea that there are other things out there, and they would then have to work with basic energies and things to get a feel for the other world(s) that exist.
In short, I believe that we all can be vampires, but some of us choose this (and sometimes it chooses us), and some people don't ever delve into themselves spiritually to see where they stand (if they stand anywhere at all besides on this plane of existance).
yeah, some people have no choice, but there are was to help with it... if you want to know, send me a privet message... i won't tell everyone whom i don't know their situation...
wow...very interesting post...im actually at a loss for words...
Interesting post and I agree with STABB that on the 'cut off' thing.
I'm still struggling and I'm 38. Lol
I think everyone has the potential to Awaken, but possibly not ther means to Awaken at any given moment... Some people are so deep in their beliefs that they will internally deny who/what they are, while others will awaken only after a trauma...
Add multiple lifes (reincarnation) into the mix... and then mathematics take a hand in the process! (permutations, etc.)
A very interesting piece, thank you very much for sharing.
As I stated elsewhere on the forums, I believe in the vampiric soul. I believe that in order to Awaken, the mark has to either be already with the soul or the mark must be placed there by someone who posses it. The person who inherits the mark must be open and in a similar state to those with a vampiric soul when they Awaken.
vampires now have souls , they can walk in the light, it all sounds like more reasons to call ourselves vampires
there are some really good points in here...Awesome job people...
I know everyone is saying this is interesting, but I have to say that this is interesting. I'm gonna have to read into this more.
I believ that some people are born to be one thing, and some are born to be others. I don't think that only vampires awaken. Ii thnk that evryone's soul is ment to become or "awaken" into what ever it is that they are.
Most people don't and wont ever realize it.
The sould is marked from birth, given it's own stamp if you will. Then depending on the path they take, they may discover what the stamp says.
I do belive people tend to become a reprensation of thier mark. Dressing in the style of, meeting people just like them. But Ii know that's not relivent in everycase.
Any human or creature can awaken. You have to be willing to accept things the way they are first. I am not a Christian but I do know some of their beliefs. I think that they think(mind you I am going by what they Baptist beliefs) that the spiritual awakening occurs when you believe in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I think for Wiccans out there it starts when you start questioning the universe. You start wondering for more of the answers to your questions about the one god. I realized I was not a Christian when I went to a gathering in Salem, MA and my senses awakened. My uncle told me on the way home I should decide what my true path was headed on. And a few days later in church I decided when I stood up during the sermon and asked out loud what I was really doing. Anyways that is my thoughts on awakening. Not only being spiritual but I think the awakening for vampires are similar to that as well.
I must agree that all have the potential, but, and here is where pragmatism sets in, not everyone will Awaken. People must strive for it--as with everything else--because potentialities never become actualities on their own. They must be worked and shaped into it.
Yes, as many have already said "everyone has the potential" that part of course seems to be heard quite clearly, but is everyone a vampire. . no. Regardless of wether they choose to or not, the "ferry boat" will in the end take so many trips. . . So I would rather say I am stuck in between these two beauityfully thought out theories. . . and also as regarded before, very well made post!
yes every one does have the potential to awaken but not everyone knows how to awaken. there are certain things that must be done to awaken a vampire.
This is pertaining to Psy. Vamps
How can you tell if that person needs to be awaken by themselves or with the help of another, or if they should be awaken at all. If so is the proximity method a better way to awaken them then the head on method.
very good post im not to sure if all can or if only some can i would think that everyone would beable to go threw the change but from what i have seen myself not all can let go of their humanity which causes problems why would you ask for something so great have it given to you and then fight it i dont undrstand it but it happens so i geuss yes everyone has the potential but few except it and grow with it others fight it and become confussed just my thought dont mean to offend if i have but ill be quite now great post though
Yes the awakening!I've been talking about it for days now.All children of the night have the ability,some are just scared,while others welcome it. As for daywalkers they have no sense of the matter.
I agree with stabb666 i do not believe there is a time limit that must be met only a willingness to embrace the unknown and see what and who you really are that most people fear.....how hard it is for us to look at others and judge but then how much harder is it for us to look at ourselves and truly judge ourselves for who and what we really are
princess lillith:"some can't let go of there humainty and that causes problems........why be given a great gift and fight it."
Some people just don't want to let go of the feelings that they carry inside. Eventually it happens to most of us. Ii can't say all because Ii do not know how many are effected by this.
The loss of humaity can become a taxing drain on some.
Interesting stuff but some don't havea choice in the matter.
I wouldn't neccesarily say that some don't want to let go of their humanity so much as they don't know how. Awakening causes a huge change in the mind, body, and soul and it can be a struggle to interpret things properly.
The other members of my Family constantly tell me that I'm the most compasionate vampire they've ever met because I'm still able to draw connections with people on very humane, normal levels; I still understand humanity.
Do I still possess it? Yes, as do we all; without humanity all that we would be are energy-deficient drones whose only concern would be to correct that deficiency. Do I retain more humanity than most that have Awakened? Maybe; as my profile states, I am a work in progress, and I mean that on all levels of my existence.
In the first paragraph I meant "can't," not "don't know how."
Err... "can't," not "don't want to"...
Gimme a break, it's early. :-P
As far as letting go of their "humanity" You really should ask yourself the definition of that word first before you readily decide if you would give it up or not, as many of us will choose different paths in our lives that will lead us a great many different places.
As i have always had time to think i know what humanity is and gladly give it up
Fair enough... Many choose to embrace their "Humanity" Many choose to give it up, but I am under a beleive that humanity is a state of mind & changes depending on your veiw on humanity.
but Never the Less I need to head to bed I have a long night ahead of me & I am getting rather Tired. Take care & talk at you later.
Good day & look forward to more conversations with you in the future.
I think anybody has the potential bot for great goodness and for great evil, so why not for vampiric abilities? I don't think there is a cut off point, I think that people either do not accept their own potentialities, or else they simply give up and quit trying. I for one have been interested in vampirism for 35 years, and I still consider myself to be learning even today...that's why I came here, to trade thoughts and ideas with like minded individuals-no matter what or how much you know, it's probably something someone else would consider new...so I learn from every one and every thing
Well, I'm in my forties and recently awakened. I was drawn to the vampire community by some "force" as it were. I suppose there might have been spirit beings involved :) I can't say that I wanted to awaken but I certainly wanted to find out who I was. I almost went mad this last year trying to find the answers. I knew I was a psychic vampire - that was very clear to me. Then, the sanguinarian part happened. I have had a hard time with the hunger. A vampire is definitely who I am. I cannot deny that.
Personally, I'm not sure whether I believe that vampirism is a "genetic" thing. I believe, as many do, in two different scenarios. One is a psychological mechanism, maybe through some kind of archetype - one is being bitten or through a blood exchange; the other is inhabitation by a vampire spirit. I believe there may be other types of vampires or types of awakening.
About good and evil. I do not believe in ether........too much. I think we have good and evil tendencies. everyone does but society needs to name the decisions we make. Bad decisions are evil even if they were ment with well meaning and good decisions can be both.
To awaken one must first have a field of enlightment before them
To the rest the is only an ocean
And four some they trust in the ferry man to get them to the end of there new start
those of the gathering are born awake as all our live those around us have alowd us to feed from birth till our time when we become the meal.
those ready for advancement seek out by designe there next feed'n ground there never has been a proces to make gatherd one feed of you.
so yes awakening is like life itself
some grasp it others dont
this is by showity that those who lead the safty of the gatherd are of the strongest brethren.
Love the info..my belief is that anyone can be awakened it is thier own choice.
beying uneducated to really comment i must say that i did enjoy the piece
There are many types of feelings when awakened. For Shadowraiths, they are mostly horny, but they do experience the bloodlust during or entering the fifth stage. Although they experience it they would most likely rather feed off of sexual appetite rather than blood. Most other awakenings consist of the bloodlust or increase of psychic energy.
I believe that they Awakening of the Vampire's life is up to the individual, but The house of the vampling makes the ceremony.
VladDrakulIV wrote: How can you tell if that person needs to be awaken by themselves or with the help of another, or if they should be awaken at all.
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Most vamps can tell if someone is begining their awakening. It's my opinion that the best help is to just be there for them, answer their questions and send them to sites where they can read for themselves the information they seek. Nudging them along or telling them what you think they are is a mistake. You could be wrong and it would take that person longer to discover what they are than it would if you just stood by and supported them.
yes but only certain ppl can be awakened. but some who dont need time or the means to be able to. some ppl who think they are vampires really isnt. which is sad in away.
A very interesting topic. I think I'll hop on the little vehicle; I'm too much of a cynic to hope for that big of a ferry.
I belive all have the poetial to awaken but not all want to
I am not sure about that, I beleive that many have the potential but only the ones that are pre-destined to do so will.
Ok I have read some really interesting points but i would like to take a moment & go back to the whole good & evil prospect, what I want to know & i am not sure if this is off topic is, do you beleive that when a vampire awakens are they awakened into a inherent evil or is it left to the "sire" to teach them & help them along a path or "good" or "evil" or does it even matter?
Just some food for thought.
well I don't believe that I can top those other responses but it is very interesting!! Um i think that there will always be a sivide in this subject and as for where I stand...well it is kinda in the middle cuz I can or can't happen for some!!
ok i have a question you can send me a message about your answer well im not sure if i awakend or not be4 i was i want all about blood and things like that but now after i was awakend i have a thirst for blood and the other day i was just so desperate to get it and one more thing i dnt go to sleep now untill 6 am and thats when the sun comes up but i still can go in the sun anf i still have a reflection so please i would like to know if i trully have been awakend......
I think anybody could awaken if they tried to and yes that is my oppinion but based on this I have the conclusion th=at it may or may not be true and if you guys want to believe it is then ok but if you don't then thats up to you
I believe that anyone can be Awakened, but I think it takes a certain type of soul to become COMPLETELY awakened. This is quite interesting, by the way...
~Poser
i think that anyone could be awaken but at diffrent times not all of a sudden everyone is awaken
I guess it depends on the type of vampire...
Pychic vampires can be awakened if handled properly..
but the old fashion blood sucking kind would have to be made... it's not just in them...
now a reincarnated vampire... *shrugs*
ohh the implications
I can't question anyone else's source of info, but from my reading, I have gathered that only those that have the condition can 'awaken' or become conscious of their abilities. Those who speak of vampirism as something to gain, I know of a few who would strongly discourage you. It is a crippling need for the pranic energy of others to survive. If you think that being a vampire just means having the abilities, then your definition may be a little off.
i agree with the above person..being a vampyre is a condition that requires alot of energy..especially if you do not have a donor..just finding one is hard enough, worrying about disease and the fact that people dont understand its true meaning.
then you have to keep up with the feedings because even going a week without eating can make you feel as though your wasting away from starvation
First off, well articulated and spoken, its such a rarity.
Secondly, I agree that spiritual elitism while dangerous and commonplace, will only be the means to belittle and shrink thought and foward thinking possibilities.
Awakening is such a difficult thing to define and like many topics will forever be divided I am certain.
What I see most of is the co-mingling perhaps of certain things.
Such as the idea that all may awaken but not all may reach full potential, thus even awakened however, lesser ones are not given time nor preperation.
Survival of the fittest is an inheritly evolutionary thing, however there are limits all principles for they should not apply to all situations.
Vampyric awakening, in my opinion is one of them.
I think personally most are afraid of awakening because since a child, most were taught good vs. evil. Vampires in most cultures are considered evil dwellers.. Its an internal struggle. Why would someone who though that way want to awaken. Just my thoughts from speaking to others..
i like the idea that anyone can/could
not sure how to go about it
not sure I'd want to try
not sure if I'm sure
but sure, it's a workable idea to me
time will tell
I disagree that anyone can be awakened.
If you are you are ~ and from experience this is true of vampire , non vampire with psy abilities, mediumship...if you don't have the gift lying sormant it an't be placed there.
Interest can be nurtured and great enjoyment gained from it.......many who have an interest have it becasue they also have the gift, but to take someone sit them down and try and 'awaken' them...no, I don't think so.
I believe it depends on the person..thier willingness to accecpt becoming a vampire....wheather or not they understand it's true meanings..things like that....but I believe the potential is there for almost everyone...
To be a vampire you have to be dead, quite simply. Die, and then if you're lucky, you might reawaken. Good luck with that *thumbs up*
i have read the original material previously.... i don't know where.. oh well.
my personal response is common through out the 'vampire' community, a 'vampire' is born a 'vampire'. this process is selective of the individual rather than generic..
though, we could debate it for some time..
i am not definite..
daeg.
i was awakend a long time ago....years of icolation has brout my darke=r side out.....no1 cares for me...no1 cares if im alive or dead...in the end you can only trust ur self...to the very end
Only those with the potential can awaken.
Cherry, I've read your opinion on vampires, but I'll keep arguing that the vast majority of vampires are not dead. Also, psychic vampirism is not just a form of ESP. Those of the condition have a definite need for the life energy of another to remain alive. You should read the Psychic Vampire Codex, as Michelle Belanger is much better at explaining it than I am.
I don't know if I can change your opinion, but I gave it a try.
Agree with you Lamuerte
I for one haven't died yet in this lifetime lol and 'awakened' fully some time back, though I always 'knew' and the ones I walk with have not died recently either *grins*
The ESP I addressed to Cherry i another thread
All can be...but do they want to?
We can all learn anything that we put our minds to....but we can only put our hearts into something we REALLY believe in. I think that is where the difference lies....
I respect your opinion too, but I still have to disagree. I've already written my opinion on the matter a few posts back.
awakenings should only be proformed by experanced vampires but yes if you are determined you can pull it off but the sleeper my have some probs!
Do you mean the awakening of another? Because as far as I know, a person usually awakens naturally on their own.
But that's just to the best of my own knowledge.
I agree that everyone has the ability to bring out there inner self. It is the persons ability to disapline themselves to do it and if not they pay the price with either death or lack of acomplishments if they have survived.
i belive that only certian peolpe with the right traits or blood line can
I believe many peole have the potential to awaken themselves but it takes hard dedication and discipline to acheive it and it will be done but not by one life time I feel it has been manylifetimes and more for me to achieve such a goal~NFA
I've actually been looking forward to reading all of these fantastic posts on the matter, but my eyes are killing me thinking my own tohughts, baking cookies and so forth-- so here's my bits.
In Awakening a Being can not only take on vampiric tendancies and mannerisms, but also mannerisms of other creature-- more primal ones.
For example, being Wiccan (as a few have pointed out), I felt at first my spirit totem was to be a fox. I liked their cunning, reaction time-- overall it seemed perfect. Instead, the Winged Serpent of Australia/aboriginal origin showed itself to me.
However, Hawks are becoming more and more enlightened to me as of lately, finding mysel more of a mixture of Air and Water, which has in a way (as I look back) haunted me for a very long time.
Strangely enough, I am very, very much akin to with felines more than either one of the others. In a way, I find myself to be a very enlightened Being of sorts because of this-- still sorting out feelings and emotions as they come to me.
I've found others like myself-- feline in nature, soothing and motherly as well as virtuous and primal (in ways I'm sure others can nod in agreement to without my saying aloud).
Hmm, I think I've found a topic for my Hall.
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I agree with what Nobodysfallenangel said. At the same time I think there are some that are born awake. Another good read I must say.
wow that was really long. but what i've read is that around the age of puberty psi vampires start showing signs.
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That may be true, but I am a psi vampire and that was not the case with me... I think maybe it is something that differs with everyone. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion.
My thoughts on this are very brief for now. I think that in time if given most will awaken if they so choose too i believe in somewhat of a free willed spirit and if they so desire for something it shall happen
ok that was weird I posted and yet it didn't show up hmmm interesting if i must say so
well i dont have any thing to post on thhis right now
i shall have more tomorrow
for starters beenin a vampyre is no gift or god send it is more like a curse. bein a vampyre myself i know this.
i believe that not everyone can be awakened and that to awaken you must have come into this life with the possibility in your soul (called the destend sometimes). not everyone that is a vampyre awakens in this life time. and not everyone that awakens in this life time was ment to awaken. the 'awakening' proccess is a complicated thing and can be cause in many ways. the destend are draw to the awakened because they can feel a kinship to them and sometimes being close to awakend vampyres causes an awakinin by accident.
further i believe that all vampyres where created by gaia because there are souls that produce to much energy for them to use and it becomes stale within there physical form and normally manifest in a physical inpediment. in her surch to keep a balance and continue the cycle she created those with a lack and need for energy (vampyres) and there purpose is to drain off the unused energy from those that dont need it to influence the production of new and clean energy and improve the health of the host.
energy should never be taken by force but given by free will. a vampyre should ask and explain how they will feed and ask the host help before they ever feed from them.
this is just my view and im not sayin anyone is wrong. if you want to look further look up the book the phycic vampire codex or goto the first link on my pro
Hey... people are different and some have that ablility and some don't.
Some minds are always awake...Some awaken at a scheduled time...Others are awakened by someone elses choice and energy...Others awaken by accident...Others will never awaken, as they don't have it in them...
I think its rather like being able to have any other natural ability.
EG. Musical talent is normaly already within you. If your tone death no amount of knowledge or training is going to help you become musical.
Oh and i checked..
Im very much alive...:winks :
i agree with Macabre. in theory, every human has the potential to be vampiric just as much as he or she has the potential to be psychic, a natural witch, etc. theory, however, tends to give us all a thumb to the nose whenever it can. while these things are all "possible," they're also very unlikely. until science can answer more about the brain, the soul, and genetics, these are things we simply cannot know. until then i'm happy accepting that we don't know and not speculating on things i have no knowlege of.
just my two cents, as always.
i believe that we all can be awaken
im still waiting for inforamtion or help on how to do this
A great theory indeed...i think that everyone has the capacity but not everyone want the great power of the vampires!
I think it is in everyone, some have a lesser degree than others but it should be in everyone..... it's the combination of laziness, fear and commercial/social mind poisoning that blinds most and steer many away from ever realizing their true skill, nature or powers for that matter!!!
I am amazed at the depth and discussion with this topic.....gives one so much to think about...and need to reread some of the postings in this thread . . . simply awesome.
I believe that only certain people are meant to be awakened. Could you imagine the chaos and mayhem that might erupt if *everyone* was Awakened as a vampire?