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When you die I believe that there is no place to go, no heaven or hell, that you just get reborn, live life over again as a different person or maybe animal.
What are your views on this?

I honestly do not know what lies beyond death as I am still alive so hence I can only speculate as to what I think is there after death.

I for one believe that we do live multiple times and all have past lives. Kind of like recycled souls.

I accept death as final.

I watched this programme on tv called beyond belief fact or fiction and some guy had memories of his former life, each and everyone of us could have been someone else before we were the people we are now.

I don't believe in Heaven or Hell.........ashes to ashes and dust to dust..............we come from the earth and we return when we die either by being buried or cremated.

do you belive that when you die, when someone opens a window your soul goes through it?

Nope

Hmmm..never heard that one before..my question is where did this particular idea come from? Was it a superstition from a particular culture or an era of time?

lol its was in a film that i watched, but it must also be based on some kind of religion too

The jury is still out on this for me; I'd like to believe that the places exist, but I'm not sure. It would be nice if the good, long-suffering had a place to go to as well as the evil-doers...both groups to go on to designated places to reap their just rewards, you know?

Reincarnation? Makes a bit more sense to me, as it ties in closer to the natural life/death cycles of the planet.

I believe in an eternal soul. I have no reason to believe that except that I was taught that when I was young. I was also taught that there is a heaven and a hell.

I have reasoned that heaven is what happens to a soul that is comfortable with a spiritual existance versus a corporeal one. Hell is what happens to a soul that longs for its corporeal existance. In some ways I find this explains the teachings from my youth.

Relative to the moment I lay dying, am I relaxed? Have I a clear conscious assurance? Am I weighed ( ridgid) with cluttered excess?

What "attatchments" have I adopted, do they conflict * read entangle..

This is all very personal, I have been driven to the edge watching family members of passing people, press their beliefs on other members.

To die conflicted.. no thank you.. a hedonist " hell while dying".

well i believe that there is a heaven and hell and that you could and will go to one of these places but also i believe that you can have the option of being reborn.

You are correct Dab in that it is a very personal thing for each and every one of us and there is no right or wrong but a matter of personal conviction and belief.

What would someone believe or experience if they had not been indoctrinated in their youth and left to find their own beliefs?

then those people may not have any concept of heaven or hell

Nah those two dualities is what compromises subscriber in to a strict amendment> by extension to feel an emotional state of frustration related to fear, and sorrow by doing something that comes natural (whatever is the slip of stated law);That way to live is to close into getting yourself more stress than happiness. Full empirist & utilitarianist all the way not so far from -Dabbler's philosophy-. As for death, I welcome it anytime, what is to lose and what is to gain in the time.

It is my belief that we curently experience heaven and hell during our current existance. Nonetheless, the ethereal world is of such a nature, that we cannot fully imagine it correctly.

Doru..I like your take on this in that we all have possibly lived moments of heaven and hell here on earth and what is beyond is more than our minds could comprehend in its present state of living.

Hell...wow. A word and place created by some "worriers" way back in time. Reason, because if the people don't believe in their god, then, they must be following something "evil", with hurn.

I believe our spirit never truly leaves but just is transferred through the realm of existence. Past lives might just be current lives our spirit is nothing more than energy so in reality death is not a final thing we don't necessarily need a heave or a hell unless that is what we create as a place for our spirit to rest.

well i also am not sure whats there but will find out when i die

my view of this is a bit odd. i feel that what ever each person believes will happen when they die is what will happen when their time comes.


i know that it's a bit odd, but that's what i feel.

Having seen how freewill has allowed to make this Earth Hell for many, anything that comes after is Heaven.

As to myself, I am part of the One.

Don't ask me to explain; but, if you understand anything of The Ankh, you may know where I'm coming from.

He that is truly a good view to have. I like it and i share your view. I want to be a animal when i get reborn..

Heaven is called the summer lands for me and we only go there to wait to be reborn again, as for hell don,t believe in it , when someone tell me I,m gonna go to hell I,just laugh and tell them it,s your hell you burn in it.

No rebirth. That's just a lame story to help people get over their fear of death and the unknown. Every religion addresses this.

This is it folks! Do your best to have a good life NOW.

I am not here to make claims as to what truly happens after we leave this shell of a body. I would assume each has their own path to take even in the afterlife.
My beliefs stems with things around me as teachers. Such as nature (death and rebirth), a butterfly (transformations or coming out of the cocoon/body), and of course the most ancient of teachings that BELIEVE or knew something about an afterlife. Our ancient cultures did not waste their skills and time putting forth so much effort as to create their stories in stone for no reason at all.

no i dont believe that there is a heaven or hell i believe that you are reborn and given the chance to change the major mistakes that you made in the previous life and to teach others not to make the same mistakes as you because weather you know it or not our existance on this earth impacts those around us.

Humans have been asking the same questions about existence and what comes after since they developed the ability to ponder. Just because the ancients didn't have POD (print on demand) and had to use available materials doesn't make them any wiser than any of us.

It's good to read what was written before, like maybe the Greek philosophers, or Voltaire, or Emerson, to name a few, in order to cover previously tread ground so that one might learn and perhaps contribute the next step in a progressive line of thinking, or even branch out into something new.

Not a good idea, imo, to believe everything written, even in stone: these were (presumably) men who were fearful and struggling to explain away that fear.

I dont believe in heaven or hell as to me hearing what others think in like that it is real who am i to judge what they believe no one trully knows what lies after our fate has been decided .

i don't believe in either. i think when you die- you are just that- dead. maybe your re-born maybe not. noone can say for sure.

No one can prove to me that what was written down by man can be the absolute truth that there is anything after this life...If there is then I will be proven wrong and be held accountable for my actions...but I would have lived my life as how I wanted to live it...enjoying it...and if I am right then I will not have wasted any part of it worring about something that is never going to happen...

Yes i do belive there is a heaven and a hell

I feel the heaven is the miricals we esperance like seeing a child born..

And findings a special someone to love
ect..

I feel that hell is all the lying and cheating and drugs and booze tempting you

I believe your spirit drifts along with your loved ones until they have all join you. Then you watch over your loved ones loved ones, never ending cycle your like a gaurdian angel when you die.

Of course these are all good answers and there is no right or wrong because it has never been proven what happens after death. But we will all know when that time comes and our questions will then be answered.

I believe you can create your own heaven and hell.
You can bring yourself in trouble and life will be like hell.
If you make good choices and do well, then it will be like heaven

I think when your dead, your dead. Nothing happens at all accept decomposition from the worms eating your dead flesh. Heaven is here right now if you can make it one, or if you choose to make your life hell then more power to you.

i belive that we get re created as anith person or animal.
-kayden

i believe we create our own heavens and our own hells.

Hell is something that is within, and I do believe in the other side. Not necessarily heaven, or hell.

I've always believed in reincarnation, but then one day it occurred to me that the ideas of reincarnation and channelling counteract eachother. (How can you contact someone's spirit if they've been born into a new body?).
Perhaps our spirit just moves into the next plane of existence, not heaven or hell (because those were made up to scare people into being good), not this world, but perhaps one parallel to it.
Of course there is always the possibility that once you're dead, you're dead.

I do not believe the holabaloo of what any holy individual says, since the whole bloody thing is a fear factor anywho. those who claim the holiness and say that the soul may be damned to hell if there is no repentence should be reprimanded accordingly by the universe for such transgressions. How dare anyone say that any individual will go to either place without proof that those places actually exist.

I agree that no one has seen heaven nor hell to claim those two justifications for the after death experiance. How dare the ambassadors of religion tout the conjurings of such places.

I for one will not be manipulated into such fairy tales until I have seen the truth of what lay behind the shadowy certainty of death itself.

I dont belive i heaven or/and hell. It simply dont feels logic for me to belive that. Reincarnation or nothing is what feels most logic to me.

Well I will apply logic to my opinion and practicalability.

We do experence what at the time of birth i don't know but after that from boyhood till the old age which ask physical support, we are really enjoying the life to its fullest. and in old age of disability mount very slowly, we do experience painful life. This is our truth of materialistic plane and no one can escape this unless there is accident or may any scientific development tale place in this line.

well the law of karma is penetrating us in day to day life changing our behavier and we gets results of our nature and attitude like wise.

But my opinion after the death our world turn to celestial sphere ( celestial world) and our nature goes along with us and we moves in celestial world as per our nature and our nature remain static till we get next birth (reincarnation). that time the nature is decisive factor and our conscious lead to experience the worldly materialistic life as per our nature. say if our nature is of hunting we become hunter, we if crave for stinging, we become that or the choice in front of us and we chose that kinship that time.

kinship: kinship we crave in this life will impact on us in next re-incarnation and we have to careful about that and I must say we should remain in the celestial world only and forever. and that is painless life and we must live away from otehr celestial bodies or physical living souls and if possible we must be the part of universal celestial living formation which is the powerful most.

if i got opportunity, I will become part of zero only merged into it and become nil after teh materialistic life. that is most powerful and painless and totally bliss state.

I wouldnt be the same person. the thought of eternal afterlife is enough to drive someone like me mad! In refelction either heaven or hell would both end up growing quite tiresome after the first couple hundred earth years. then you realise there is no end and then what? you tough it out for a google millenia and even if your in heaven theres nothing that would excite you anymore. it would become hell. and hell would be so numbing that you might turn pain into pleasure and then that would get old fast and you would become numb.

things like that make me glad that after this wonderful life there is nothing but the memories and accomplishments you left behind.

Venum Sting I share the Nil Factor with you. I resign to Nil. For as Molly summerizes so well, what of heaven?

I'd also like to add that heaven and hell are right here, on earth, so we should make the best of what we have, and enjoy and appreciate every little good thing that comes our way (to try to offset the hellish parts).

I do believe in heaven and hell.
I believe that when we die, that's it... We're gone, no more of us then there will be a day where we will be place into heaven or hell...

I will still challenge anyone to find where it says Lucifer was cast out of Heaven and became the 'Devil'. That passage in Isaiah is talking about the fall of a Babylonian king. Research it, read the whole thing ;)

I don't believe in Heaven and Hell as locations, no. I believe in God but I don't believe in the 'Devil'.

Okay - I'm confused...how can one believe in God, but not the Devil? They both exist, right? They are advesaries in the continual battle of good vs evil...right?

Basically, how can/does one exist without the other...until Armegeddon, anyway? Please enlighten me...thanks.

You're family is obviously from a different religion and perspective than I am- but this isn't about my religion, it's about what I have studied as a Theological Education Major. I am also a Sunday school teacher and graduate from the diaconate seminary in December. I wouldn't even have mentioned that had I not felt my post was dismissed as one that didn't come from any real knowledge.

There is no concept of the Devil in Judaism- this came about in Christianity, and the place they point to as the fall of Lucifer is in the Hebrew Bible. You'd have to read Isaiah yourself, or Google the fall of Lucifer and find the facts on the Isaiah passage. It's also in the footnotes of most any study Bible.

Not everything in the forum has to be considered a personal attack.

I do not believe in a Devil because I don't interpret it as some people do- after studying this topic for so long, my conclusions are equal to that of many people- the devil is another word for evil... not a being.

This is about beliefs anyway. I'm not telling you what you have to believe. Seek your own truth. I do hope that you look it up yourself though, and not just call it truth because someone else told you it was.

I really dont know what is out there either. But since I am open minded alot of things are a possibility.

Ah- I see; the 'Devil' is more or less incarnate for evil itself. Thanks.

So, tying this in to heaven and hell: There is a ruler in heaven - God - but no such person in hell. I'm guessing that 'hell' is a place where there is an absence of God and his Grace then?

( I am familiar with those of the Jewish faith not believing in hell, whereas those of the Christian and Muslim faiths do).

This is very interesting; reading Isiah is in order!

That's exactly it, Hell is the absence of God. That's the belief of many. It addresses the Morning Star... that's what they called the kings/pharaohs back then (like Ramses, it is what he was called the Old Testament way before Isaiah).

So let me get this straight, In that watch- I'm in hell for that reasoning? for not adhering to the notion of a God?

Don't take this as me saying people are in Hell that don't have God... I am saying that is a belief of many... Hell is not having God, for them.

I believe in a great many things. I am a Christian, but I don't put my faith into a little box and believe there's nothing else out there, no other knowledge beyond what the Bible says. I believe that God is far bigger than that. If God isn't... then God couldn't be as massive as so many believers claim.

This thread is about what you believe. I stated what I believe and how I came to that conclusion. It's my 'career', basically... I put a lot of thought and personal study into it. That's how I arrived at my belief. Everyone else is still free to believe what they do as well.

I used to believe when I was a kid. My mother would tell me not to do certain things or you will go to hell. It was all just a way to tell me to be good or else.
After getting older I learned that god and church is just something people like to believe in to remain sain or just so you dont go through life afraid of death. So you think or believe in this place called heaven so you think oh Im going somewhere nice when I die.
I honestly think that when you die you die.. lights out, dirt nap basicly. Not many people I know personally know that I believe this way because they all believe in god and heaven and I dont tell them any different because religon is best not discussed with friends or family. They just "assume" that I believe.
Although... sometimes I like to imagine I would come back as a animal like a black panther or white tiger or maybe even a beautiful wild horse on Mustang Island.. lol ;-)

everyones got a good opinion.

I don't have the slightest idea of what comes next. I hope it's better than what we have now. I hope if there is reincarnation I hope you get what you deserve from the prior life. And rewarded for what you have accomplished.

Knowone knows for sure , all we can do is speculate. I speculate , it is different for everyone, some living one or the other even while being alive.

I myself lean towards our life energy merely being redirected to another plane of existance. The fact if it is heven or hell remains to be experienced.

Heaven is nothing but freedom from everything, freedom from every matter and forms. This can easily achieved in living life too. This is the total bliss state. Ancient researcher said about this bliss state can be achieved by two way.

One is through meditation search about supreme and other is give up all bondage and solemn surrender to the nature and to the world that even to the state of naturalism. M.K. Gandhi for example was a rich person and was barrister. He came to know this state can be achieved and salvation come to the self and to others too.

He dropped his all clothing except his cloth of minimums. (in total freedom the last ask to researcher to dare naturalism. he even throw away all the worrying forces of earnings and living. yet he find the food and energy from mother nature. but he relieved from all burden by solemn surrender to the nature and find the state of total bliss.

The meditator do find the state tureiya state by achieving all three base states to lead self into the fourth the bliss state and says Aha this is the real heaven.

I even had a Pastor once tell me that we have no clue if heaven and hell exist

Nope,the only hell i know is wal-mart

Well there you go, BlackHawk... it's not uncommon at all for those involved in Judeo-Christian ministries to doubt it. When you study as a career, you learn a heck of a lot more.

I have no religion that I follow.
So to me a 'soul' is just latent energy tied up with being alive, and heaven and hell merely a way of frightening children or giving false hope.

I accepted years ago that death is final, and that the only way we can live on after death is in the memories of the living.

I believe in both!

There are no atheists in foxholes. Easy to argue it when sitting at a computer. That's not to say nothing exists after death, but rather as humans, we can all be driven to hope for something.

And while we sit hoping, the world goes to ruin.

I also do not believe that when we die our spirits go to one particular place or another. I'm a firm believer in reincarnation, and that our spirits are meant to accomplish something in their lifetimes. If they do not accomplish a certain task in one life they may do so in another.

I don't think the world 'goes to ruin' because people are hoping. Maybe if there were zero lack of hope in this world that would be the case.

Hell and heavan are subjective conditions of afterlife. A person who fails to mature significantly during your earthly time will feal crippled when exposed to laws of the universe for which they have not prepared.

All human experience is likely to end in imperfection of some form; just as all humans exit the womb and childhood with differing disadvantages, these setbacks do not debilitate advancement for the next world(s.)

Darkness is not a thing... it is the absence of light, darkness never encroaches on a place filled with light.
In the same way hell can be called the absence of God, however... that contradicts God's perfection, so it must be a percieved condition and not an actual condition.

Hell can also be likened to grief. Grief is the loss of something which you are attatched to. When teh veils of materialism are lifted from us and we percieve the absence of God in our lives with full weight and measure as a torment and suffering unimaginable. This is the suffering of attatchment to the Idea that we "feel" imperfect without God's love, and is easily absolved by accepting love.

This condition (heavan) can be practiced on earth, but is rarely achieved because of societal values regarding prosperity.

I will quote John Milton on this
"The mind is its own place,and in itself can make a Heaven of Hell,a Hell of Heaven"

And I so agree with John Milton's statement.

I think metaphorically we all believe in it. I believe both are a state of mind and not locations.

Heaven or hell, such a touchy subject. I guess it all depends on what religion you follow. My opinion heaven or hell is what you do with or make out of life here on Earth.

No matter how hard I try to believe in some thing -
I just can't,, other then in the Life we're living now --
Nothing at all after --

Heaven and Hell is what the Christians beleive, and am not a Christian, so I beleive in neither. I beleive in my own spiritual place.

I dont believe heaven and hell have a location, life can bring us to both places within our knowledge of living in our minds, i think embracing death and learning how to let go will free us as time passes by, and who knows for sure what comes after we pass ?

I don't know what will happen to me when I die. I'm kind of excited. It's not like I have a death wish or anything but I'd really like to know what would happen. ^_^

I also believe that Heaven and Hell are what you the individual believes it to be. I myself also do not feel that there is an actual place that is either. I feel as we live we make our own heaven or hell. When we die I would like to think that our soul is still here and and that we could be reborn again as whatever. I also feel there is a place we may go that is just a wonderful spirit world, higher being place if you will. for thoughs who do not get reborn.

I know something is higher up than we are, and I do believe in good and evil, that it exsist here and now, and that we may end up in a place that is either, just on how one percieves life and death.

This is a very controversial discussion in my opinion because everyone believes many different things. I know that just because an angel was knocked down does not nessacceraly mean that he rules a Hell.

there is more to it than that as Imagesinwords stated. Not so cut and dry in my opinion from what I have also studied.

bottom line is it is how you were raised and how you believe plain and simple.

What if heaven means to find your meaning of existence on earth?

What if hell means to not finding it at all?

What if Hell means that your spirit remains roaming on earth in search of something in vain, for infinity?

What if heaven means that you found what your spirit was searching for?

What if then reincarnation would be Purgatory because it gives you another chance?

Lots of what ifs and no answers.

I would like to have a choice. I would like to cease to exist....so what if hell would be to cease to exist?

Whatever, I prefer that one above anything else.

No reincarnation, no spirit going to another dimension, no meeting with deities, I would like to go poof like I never existed.

Well my answer to all this is I really want to believe in heaven and hell...
But I have had so many near death experiences, and when I was out I saw nothing

I was told by a preacher that when i clinicaly died the reason I saw nothing was because I made the wrong choice and died the wrong way.

Or maybe I simply wasnt fully dead yet, I really dont know..

I have this inner feeling that something is there, I have saw things of the supernatural that cannot be explained or it was simply an illusion I dont know that either..

I really think that we could have been created by extra terrestrial life, it makes more sense than an all knowing god of sorts.

I do not believe in heaven and hell.

I do not believe in a 'devil', I do not believe Jesus to be 'God'.

I believe there is a God, I believe there is also a Goddess.

I believe in reincarnation.

I believe there is a spiritual place after here Heaven i dont know the way christians describe it i doubt it. Hell i believe we live in now with pain, suffering, death etc. I believe we are here to learn and then go back to our spiritual being.

i beleave their is and lately i have been comeing to realization were do i want my salvation to lie and i been going to church lately trying to figure out what to do
about it id rather take the chance of going to heaven then going to hell soo im trying to get right with the lord what can i lose

I'm unsure about heaven and hell. I do believe in demons and the portrayal of some god's angels as bloodthirsty, even cold warriors.

Honestly, I've wondered if maybe there is/are god(s)/angels and they're just playing a giant game of capture the flag with satan/demons and each and every one of us is a flag to be captured for either team but at death we're still just ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

On the other hand I occasionally find a belief in god difficult and would just as soon accept that idea that regardless of a god we live multiple lives attempting to reach some kind of nirvana based on how we live those collective lives.

as far as "heven" or "hell" do i think they are real? perhaps however in the teachings i follow our version of heven is the underword and to dwell with the godds/goddess our thought of hell is that our soul is eaten thus we are no more forever!

According to the traditions taught to me... and please note that this is a Lakota tradition.

Death is called "going home". There isn't a rewarding or damning afterlife... you just go to the "star home" and reunite with your family. You go into the womb of the stars and are reborn after a time.

A good book to read about death is the Egyptian book of the Dead about the different stages of the Pharoahs journey to the after life when the soul seperates from the physical body.

I wear an Ankh.. which for me says, 'we are One.'

As for Heaven and Hell??

Well Marlowe had that one right, "Hell is wherever we are.." meaning 'Man', that is.

i don't believe in either,once you're dead, you're dead end of but as for their meanings,heaven being a good blissful utopia and hell being a torture filled place full of despair and violence,you can look no further than earth itself,this world can be both hell and heaven depending of what you make of it.

yes i do believe in both

I belive in both of them too .

To be honest, I don't believe in heaven. In my eyes all religions have their flaws. I believe that hell is actually being alive on Earth. If you think about it, everyone has to go through so much in their lives. Life is designed just like a hell I would think. After we die, I'm not sure where we go. Perhaps we just get filtered into another hell.

(Bows in utmsot reverence)
Honorable Dabler,
in my opinion the heaven or hell is only materialistic experience last till teh materialistic cover of body ad life. but after death I think celestial life start and the most bliss there is staying in zero. but to that lasting the person must not have carried resolve or nature of life before death. f he take such resolve or nature, he definitely going to take re-birth to kinship of choice of his resolve or nature.

this I deep thought over Indian Sankhya Yoga (knwledge of soul and its existance and the reason to take life forms after the death) in that it is clearly suggested that to merge into zero is he best state coz it does not lead us to worldly emotions of pain, pleasure, loneliness or center of kinship..., sad or sorrow and happiness. but there is the state of life is just like zero its more purer than celestial life free of all worldly pressures.

the concept of heaven and hell is previlent in some form in every culture and society of the world. I believe that the concept is man made and only exsists in man's state of mind. We already live in hell. Death is heaven it is release and there is no return. Man has a tendency to lable and put everything in neat little boxes for our own peace of mind. Man has a enormous capacity to prioritize his beliefs to suit his excistance and make life an easier journey towards the ultimate outcome.

I believe in reincarnation i think tht when you die you come back as a new soul. I dont know whether i believe in heaven or hell.

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