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Throughout history in every country there is or there have been witch hunts or hunts on people who are different in any way from belief, mental state, looks, opinions, and religion.

Now in our society we should have advanced some since the Salem witch trials, key word we should have advanced in our thinking.

My question is, could this possibly happen again? If it did, what could be some of the ramifications of this happening to society, and, what would you personally do if the hunters came knocking on your door?

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You have only got to look around the this site to see evidence of proverbial witch hunts.

I can see this bringing up some interesting replies



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i for got to go into detail about what i meant by witch hunt

people draging you to prison or jail for your bliefs, allowing people to accuse you about possing them, same stuff that happened in the past when the witch hunters would come



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as a history person, i think all things are cyclical.
that said, i doubt there will ever be actual witch hunts again unless a hard core religious group took control.

currently the fastest growing belief system in the u.s. is islam.

and we all know they would never ever have anything like a witch hunt!
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I don't believe we will ever see the old day witch hunts again. Society has moved on. Society today wouldn't allow that sort of thing to happen, most places don't even allow the death penalty anymore.



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The Only way a witch hunt would happen in the Americas is if the strata of our governmental system changed and people noticed they don't have the same privileges they once did. And started to attempt to usurp the current regime. However, on that note, it would be during the time of uprising that witch hunts would ensue in order to get the "right" sort of people together and eliminate the enemies before the went to war to maintain their supremacy.

The Pagans did this to the Christians / Jewish

the Arabs did this to the Xians

The Egyptians did it to the Jews

The Catholics did this to the Pagans

The Western World did it to the Native Americans

The Vikings did it to who ever they felt like

The Nazis did this to the Jews

The Americans did this to the Japanese

ad Nausium.


If it ever came to that, I would personally go to war to stop that activity, but if stopping it would not happen, then I would probably do what I could to defend against it. However, I would most likely do what I could in order to make the aggressors fear aggression against those I decided to protect through a strong offensive.



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There are still ignorant Fundamentalist that crusade against those who practice Craft. Their method is not to hunt, but to slander. They have influenced local governemts to take actions against those with alternative practices as well.

Though there is an element that instigates confrontation, that those who practice get the fall-out for. Example: card readers who exploit their clients, the exploitive card readers retreat into the Craft when confronted, and the result is a general blanket over the whole.



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I like Dabbler's post. I doubt that the witching community will have to worry about a lasting massacre like the previous ones in centries past, but everyone will be persecuted in the span of thier lifetime, all for different reasons. A witch hunt may happen, it may not. Hopefully it doesnt, but that goes for all people, not just witches and pagans. Discrimination to any being is horrible. I think witches will have to deal with more of a verbal attack than a physical one



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I don't think there will be witch hunts necessarily, as in they won't be hunting witches by accusation of witchcraft, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were witch hunts called by another name we have yet to learn.



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http://www.holysmoke.org/wicca/witch.htm

http://holysmoke.org/hs00/letter2.htm

Two articles I found informative, including commentary.



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Agreeing with ~Dabs~ post with adding a few words of my own...

The suspected "witch" hunts, could be taken out of context for someone who did a community so wrong that they needed to suffer the consequences based on the philosophy of that community.

One would need to clear up the whole story from both sides before administering the term "witch hunt" in the trail for whom the defendant(s) are based. Without listening to hearsay that seems to be at the core of almost every "witch hun" that has progressed to a state of execution.

I would not call them "witch hunts", but more so I would instead call them being branded "martyres" for their beliefs and set symbol for what the community thought to be contradiction to their own way(s) of life. An outcast scenerio gone wrong, so to speak.



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history is bound to to repeat itself. The church will make some proclamation and the the hunt is on. They still search for the Knight Templar Society and other groups that oppose the church.



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You know whats funny about your post ~Aronoch~., is that the Templar exist within our fraternity. Catholisism knows this, so why would they still be searching for it? HA!



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I believe slandering is different then a witch hunt. I dont believe there will ever be any more hunts like there use to be. Society wouldnt allow it.



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Can any culture, belief, or practice actually expect 100% of society to embrace them for their belief, or practice?

With all the denominations, and variations that exist in such practices, that would be an unrealistic expectation.

Does anyone expect everyone they share their beliefs, etc wth to be entusiastic about something that is personal?

When people assume that a person who is not intrested in what they believe, or practice, never had an intrest in that practice it is often not the case.

you just don't know what others have encountered.

There is misrepresentation everywhere, in every belief, faith, and practice. People are more apt to observe the followers actions then to listen to their testimonies.

What sets people against any particular belief, or practice?



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"What sets people against any particular belief, or practice?"

Simple.. It is what they are taught by their pastors, preachers or who ever else would be on the pedal stool or soap box preaching about what to avoid, why this or that is wrong or seen as condemned, then taking pages or scripts, at times select verses from the bible to prove their point and adding more ground for their testimonies conviction, thus manipulating their "mass" into thinking that those things being preached as being wrong, are. When certain things could be taken out of context in the long run.

My point from the above paragraph is that anything could be seen or taken out context if the individual knew how to word their testimony the right way.



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Basically that's it in the raw.

People want to be engaged in a cause, to feel like they are meeting an enemy in scrimage. So when an figure in authority incites followers to action they often
join the crusade.

There is always the potential for followers to research
the enemy, and this occasionally leads to conversion, or disinfransisement from their former belief.

As the two articles I posted above show, those who aim to incite others are rather unscrupulous in method.





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An engaging practice, which is what a couple of the higher distinquished gentlemen of the robe follow at times to best suit their needs.

"No one suspects the Spanish Inquisition" ~Monty Python



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I doubt we will ever again see witch hunts on par as those in the past for one main reason... society as a whole no longer believes in witches.



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To answer the question,

Yes I do!

If there was a break down in society then 'we' as human are capable of anything!



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It depends where you live.

In my country you'd find people who blame others for their misfortune and accusing them of cursing them.

As well as rumors about someone being a witch simply because of the way they dress or the music they listen to.

Also be seen as socially unacceptable and have to keep your beliefs as secret because otherwise no one would hire you, etc...

It's not like a massacre but they make your surviving more difficult.



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Beating up and killing gays or transgendered people is kind of a witch hunt.

In Oklahoma they apparently fought for the right to post the 10 commandments outside the courthouse. People feel that strongly, I think they'd go on a hunt to rid the community of anyone who disputed their beliefs.

In Iran, the protesters will be hunted as "enemies of the state."

Honor killings of women happen all over the world. This is where the family feels the woman has dishonored her family by wearing western clothes, dating outside her religion all the way to accusations of adultery or pre-marital sex.



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Very true bloodmother, same goes for killing or beating you up for your sub culture, Nationality, race, etc...



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And of course there is that break down isn't there!



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if there is a break down I dont think anyone will be safe. imagine it all starting over again. only the strongest will survive.



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While we may not have mobs at our front doors with pitchforks and torches....there is no doubt that in some areas, pagans/witches are still subject to prejudice and ridicule.

In the Bible Belt communities, the fact that a man or woman is a practicing pagan can have negative effects on procuring jobs or social status in said communities.

Of course, as a pagan myself, I would naturally rally against such things, but the fact is, many are misinformed and have no understanding of what being a pagan actually is....so, wouldn't it be a good idea to do your best to educate those who are willing to lend an ear and those that won't....well, there's not much one can do about those.

I'm just thankful that times have changed enough so that I don't have to fear for my life because of my beliefs and because I refuse to conform....the rest will come with time, and until then....KEEP IT TO YOURSELF LOL! The less they know, the less they can judge you.



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Well I am glad we have evolved and our laws are alittle different than back in the day of Salem Witch trials and such. Today you hae to prove with out any reasonable doubts, so to accuse a person of a witch these days I do believe would be more skeptical at best.

I mean believe me there are people whom will accuse you of pretty much anything . Yet, for it to hold up in a court of law as to actually carry out a sentence, I think that it would be hard in these times even if you actually practice the craft. They would have to prove your harming someone or yourself.


And people do not believe in *witchcraft* or things that cannot be rationalize, at least that is how I feel.
most will laugh at you when you try to tell them things about witchcraft, voodoo, etc. They just do not want to believe things that they do not know about can or does exist.



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Last two post, Spot on.

Expecting a community to embrace you for your beliefs is often unrealistic, settling for indifference is sometimes necessary. Let your action demonstrate your practice/faith.



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Those that commit hate crimes are usually punished according to the laws we live by in society. I would not compare hate crimes to witch hunts of the past.



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What about labeling someone a slut in H.S. and harassing them? Read that it is usually girls labeling other girls. This happened to me. It's a form of bullying and the witch hunt would be the extreme version. Would also tie in with sexual aspect of witchery.



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What would the season be for a Witch Hunting?

I have been to a few "jammbories" and I have seen
inner termoil in the ranks of those with high minded ideals, dedicated, and those with novice intrest. A clash one will not forget.

Saidly it is often the pretending novices, that speak more then they demonstrate through candor.

This behavior then preceeds a dedicated practicioner.

How often have you seen a self proclaimed witch attend a Xtian bible lesson to confront the teachings? Not a pretty sight.

People with social inadapt issues will misrepresent many things, politics, religions, they conflict with members, and non-members alike, often over self important matters, or pet ideals that may conflict with docterine or teachings.



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Witch hunts are happening in this day and age in Africa.

I think its wrong and I do think it could happen in this day and age, yes I do. I don't think we are as advanced as we like to believe. I think we are as easily led as in the past. Too many are too willing to let others do the thinking for them. So I think it could happen again.



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Exactly society is not as accepting as we think it is.

We believe we are all advanced and happy accepting because of the location we live in, but then we don't know what is really happening in other places.

The amount of violence, discrimination, abuse, etc.. all show we're not that advanced.



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Lorex, I offer perspective on the crackdown in Africa, what is sought is Curse Artist.. they convince people that they have curses, and then exploit the mark for lots of money, a majority of Africans are superstitious they pay plenty of money to these people who pervert Craft for foul agendas.



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Sadly when such people are flushed out, and confronted, and tried for their exploitive practices, they draw the religious persicution card.

There are communities that are adressing this, the same in the UK.



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I have yet to pick up the morning paper and see that some girl accused of being a slut was tied to a stake and burned alive. I fail to see the similarity.



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Witch hunt in today society exist in many forms. The most infamous is the bashing of organized religious people against less organized religion. when a group of individuals create a congregation with the intent to gain knowledge and to be wise about life, automatically will create adversaries with the others "group". Reason, because nobody know about the real truth in life, and if someone get the best information out-there, the the others will loss popularity and members. Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islamic and many others group, always tend to recruit members from others religion with the concept of a better after life. That is for me witch hunt.



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A supporting document Markus, is the "Letter to Witches" that was writen by Rev. Morley. a crusading fundimentalist against witches.



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I dont think, in today's society, that you would see the same kind of "hunt" occur. However, a hunt occurs every day in the discrimnation and prejudice against Witches. Most people are ignorant to the Religion and are scared of us based on the media's potrayal of us.



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Some individuels actual adopt what the media, and fundamentalist project to be witchcraft. I have heard girls chatting at a mall waiting for a bus, about being Initiated but nothing they said was anything more then
what TV, and perhaps a Xtian sermon would provide.

Not all negative portrail of Witch Craft, Pagani, and Wicca come from the Media, and religios zealots.



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what you all say is true in different areas of the world yet, they re not Witch hunts, I mean like in Africa it is as Dabbler stated for monetary reasons as the same as a Conman/conwoman to play on peoples beliefs and faiths, superstitions etc.

Even in the USA there are laws to protect you from people who say they are mediums and are not they do it to drain money from their prospects, sad to say many have so many different superstitions and fears of things that has been branded in their minds.

Yet, to have an actual Witch Hunt in these times is rare at best, yes people do not want to believe there are other religions othere than the norms. and give thoughs of us who practice wicca, Voodoo etc. are scutinized for it. yet, not hung or brought to court over it. Most judges WILL NOT EVEN TOUCH cases with anything to do with religions unless it is way out of hand and other laws have been broken . such as killings for sacrafices etc.

yet, who is to say for sure that a person will not be prosecuted for Witchcraft. I think thye would have to have alot of proof that other laws were broken as well, to tie it all together. just my opinion.


Bulling is wrong on every level whether it be by kids or even adults, that is just another topic in itself. Sad to say it does happen and people die becuase of it and that has nothing to do with religion just ignorant people in my opinion.




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I have to agree with GreenWitchFantasies' post, the "hunts" so to speak are done in subtle ways, the main issue I have found is that so many are educated that if you do not believe what they do you are evil and of the devil, and thus need to be saved or run out of town. Having lived in both the city and now a small town I find the smaller the town the worse the prejudices are towards a pagan.



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yea, even hippies get a raw deal in small towns, in some small towns, a "Punk rocker" passing through town makes the front page.



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well in actuality it does not matter if it is being a witch, a punker, a biker, hell even a Soldier, society and people will always have soemthing mean to say about it just how it is sad to say yet, it is truth. People do not want to understand or know the truth so they are plain ass holes to others that are not as they are. and small towns can be the worst.



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Occasionally I modest individual will make themselves available in such communities, often a minority of the town will become privy to other then bigoted perspectives. However there will always be those who find themselves alone in bigoted ideals.

They will look for every little thing to discredit the whole.

yet if a local collective contributes to a community, then the bigoted individuals will be left without citable behaviour.

I have seen people try to radicalize youth in small towns for alternative beliefs, and practices.. the backlash was predictable.

a moderate approuch is often best, non-confrontational. Practicing what one believes, rather then professing constantly. I always pefer when people ask me my beliefs, or practices.

Notice how Zen, and Taoist get little, or no small town attentions.



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being in the wrong religion in china is bad news.as it soone will be in western europe.



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In today's society, people are still suspicious of each other and will accuse each other of being witches. If hunters came knocking at my door, they will know the true meaning of pain.



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I definitely think there could be another witch hunt. Society and beliefs change constantly. It might not be a hunt for witches per se, but there was a time when communists were hunted, now alkaida/terrorists, or however you spell it. I have most certainly seen Child Welfare Services behave like they are on a witch hunt. Now days anything is possible. If the powers at be want to be rid of you, they will find a way.



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Some made some very interesting points and some funny remarks. But I have to agree with Aranoch.. History is bound to repeat itself. There are always witch hunts going on.. Whether it be because of politics or religious ideas.



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People are still to this day hunted down and rooted out for their beliefs, whether it's Wiccan, Magic, or Christianity, political veiws, and so on, depending on where you live in the world; some third world countries still use stoning as punishment for various crimes, including adultery, people still get tortured, and there, if you were to get technical about it, "witch hunters" right here in America-but I certainly don't want to give my opinion on that because it involves topics we aren't allowed to entertain on the forums, which is fine. Modern day witch-hunters are aplenty, in my opinion, and can be evidenced by a quick perusal of most major newspapers.



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Article Taken From Eastern Cape News
Three men were arrested on Thursday for allegedly beating a woman to death they accused of practising witchcraft, Eastern Cape police said.

The trio, aged between 21 and 28, also faced a charge of arson and another of pointing of a firearm.

They went to a homstead in Bizana on Tuesday and allegedly assaulted a 60-year-old woman they accused of witchcraft, said Captain Mlungisi Matidane.

She died of her wounds. Her husband escaped.

"The same suspects later went back to the same homestead and set alight two rondavels. The 11 occupants survived with minor injuries."

The trio was arrested on Thursday morning and expected to appear in the Bizana Magistrate's Court shortly.



In a separate incident, three men accused of killing 65-year-old Nokitani Tshemesi and her three granddaughters, appeared in the Elliotdale Magistrate's Court on Thursday.

They had suspected the woman of practising witchcraft, police said. Their bodies were found in their home in Ntsingizi village on Tuesday morning. They had been stabbed to death. - Sapa





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I agree with you guys. They are still hunting down the ones that don't fit in with their mainstream ideas. I hate mainstream,LOL

But, History will repeat itself. It seems to be an endless cycle of stupidity.
What is the joke ? Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here.
I wouldn't go that far, but it does seem intelligence is rare, not to mention there is a lack of common sense. You would think that humans would learn from their mistakes and not repeat them.

What is that definition of insanity ? Oh, yeah, to keep repeating the same things expecting different results.



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These examples posted above are isolated incidents by individuals. Horrible as they are they pale in comparison to the witch hunts of old. The Church or government would never condone such acts in this day and time.



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Things like that in this day and age are few ,but if they did come to your door Survive is what we do .



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The US has an ongoing pogrom against nondemocratic states. The blacklist was not too long ago. Americans were suposed to report unamerican (read communist) activities &c.



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I've lived my entire life in the U.S. and I can't recall ever being asked to report communist activity. Yes, the American government would like to see all countries be democratic, but I'm sure they know that will never happen. We still deal with China on a regular basis and they are the largest communist country in the world. Where is the witch hunt there?



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The Status Quo abounds since the Saudi's and Arabs own a third of the US stock market and the US and UK are endebted to China .
To quote Bloomberg financial news " You cannot shoot someone in the head who ownes you 500 Billion dollars", Yawns.
Perhaps trouble arrives from other quarters? so the real question is where does one hunt for the real witch?



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""I dont believe we will ever see the old day witch hunts again. Society has moved on. Society today wouldnt allow that sort of thing to happen""

I doubt that. I will happen again. There is many religious psychos out there.

There is 2 ways to control people: Diseases and religion.

And I am not the only person who is aware of this. Witch hunts will happen again, even in the US. Just with more secrecy.



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Sadly, I have to say that people are still judging others for their beliefs and hating them for it. I know some Wiccan groups who do not allow those of us who are Vampires to join their groups due to fear of us draining them or biting them and that is sad.
There are people who would like to arrest those of us who are different due to being Wiccan or Vampire and burn us or whatever.
I am fighting all I can to keep it from happening near me and to help those who are so afraid of what they do not understand learn more about us and see we are not that bad. Every religion,culture and such has their share of bad apples but that does make all of them bad.

We might again see people being dragged off to jail, killed or worse for their beliefs and what they are. History does repeat itself even when people think they are better then those of the past.



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Drow Vampire...I agree there are far bigger problems out there.
So now the wise see us as a help more than a hinderence?
They should. Despite all their efforts we flourish and for good reason. A time comes when they will turn to us for help.
Did they have any idea how much conventional energy is required to do what we do by instinct?
Only now, only now my friend...



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with todays society
probability of witch hunt=95%
probability of witch hunt not occurring=4%
probability that my math is wrong and i am just showing how cruel society is=1% on the first part & 100% on the second part



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Were the soilders proseduted for Abu Grab a witch hunt or merely scape goats? Were the innocent prisoners that have been held without trial for years in Guantanamo Bay part of a witch hunt? Did the US Government have nothing at all to do with either of these?

I thought not. Whenever a radical hate filled minority can gain control of the tools of a government of a Nation state, whether through the persuasion of hate [Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Imperial Japan] or by purchasing or cheating to elect the votes of those elected to run the Republic [the United States of America, Iran], "society" can and has been silenced into the "I don't care what they do to those weirdos, just don't let them do it to me" outlook as has been demonstrated again and again and again in the history of the world.

The underlying assumption of those saying it can't happen here is that we have learned from the past. We do not repeat the mistakes of those who went before. Look around at who the mob is listening to. Conservative and Liberal whackos of the tube and the radio. Maybe you and I have learned from past mistakes and don't WANT it ever to happen again but what about the ignorant massess?

Be carful how you tread in this world we presently live in. You are being watched and spied upon daily. That is not paranoia; that is reality.

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interesting how many think it can't happen again now....
heres some news reports for you to consider in a world that it can't happen in, sorry you will have to copy pasta..i'm shite with links
http://harlcazz.bravepages.com/library/Paganism/Pagan%20History%20and%20Facts/Witchhunts%20in%20Africa.htm

http://www.spectacle.org/896/witch.html

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/witch.witchcraft.salem.2.242762.html

http://www.celestialhealing.com/revwm3.html

read these...and then tell me that a witch hunt can't happen now....



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In africa witch hunts are still very much the norm and offetn the victims are children. although I have also read case where men and women have been torchered and killed for "witchcraft". Of course in nearly all of these cases there is atchually no witch craft being carried out, people are just looking to prosocute the week, and gain from the mysery of others.



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I think it would be far-fetched to think witch hunts would go on in today's society. Simply because of all the television shows about paranormal activity. People are interested in these things now and they get good ratings.

Also, because I don't think mainstream society will ever be that concerned about the practice of witchcraft or who is practicing again.



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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver

this is a really intesting, and very sad artical.



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history is bound to repeat itself so it could happen again .

as for what i would do if they came knocking at my door would be never give up and never wain in what my beliefs are i would rather die then give up what i believe



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if it were to happen again which it sadly seems to be according to my room mate, I would sign any petition I could to stop it, join with others who are against it and try my hardest to talk to those who are against us for being different.
I may not like certain religions but i would not kill them for their beliefs
it is wrong to kill people based on religion,looks, sexual taste or anything else. we should try to get along and let people be themselves



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Personally I could see this happening; after all if it happened once, it is likely to show up again.

1) such as assassination, one sparked WWI

2) the crusades fighting those with a different religious view

3) today with a hot topic known as jihad or radical movement for the islams, their belief on causing terror as it is written in the quran that you will strike terror into their hearts

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Although these are clearly not witch hunts, like them they show the process of getting rid of or changing the lifestyle of another group so to speak because they may think or act different.

I may be an average joe, but I do know with the right evidence, motive, and past experiences someone could very well lead a movement to be rid of or change another group.

That is what I think...


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It wouldn't go over and I would ask what the hell are you smoking because I want some if they came knocking on my door.



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Politics start wars, politics will start witch hunts. Means to the ends is all I will comment.



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Yes it still happens in today's society. Just a few years back there was a huge one that involving a local witch that a National Pagan Awareness Network Inc. helped with the trials and the lawyers. The witch involved won the case against their local council for discrimination.



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Yes, I belive the hunts could start again. In many places, if you do not belive as they do or act in ways people do not approve of, you run the high risk of being carted of to jail, assulted or worse, killed. Our scociety has not changed much if any at all. With the exception of electricity, the internet, phones and cars, this country is still locked in the 1700's. look around, ppl fighting over seas for freedom to belive as they wish, our goverment seeking to control every aspect of our lives etc...

me personally, i think we are all screwed. unless ppl come to relize that not everyone has to be like them, no one is safe.



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Witch hunts have never stopped --
Look where I live -
A book store opened up that was into astrology @ things ,
really nice place -
The town elders "" Church "", closed them within weeks .
Different means ,,, Same results .
Their no more !



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Another prime example of a modern day witchhunt to me would be the case of the West Memphis 3. Not sure how many have heard of the case, but I know they are attempting to reopen it because one of the accused is sitting on death row awaiting his fate for a crime he didnt commit...there was absolutely no DNA evidence linking any of the accused to the crime..but I guess dressing in black and listening to heavy metal and being into the Occult while living in the Bible Belt..can be a nasty combination!



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Yes it happens in todays society, for as I say the norm is looking for their interpitation of socities structure, so if you are not in this than you are shunned, beat and even killed. racism, religious beliefs, sexism is a bases of this witch hunt in todays society.



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Take a look at Alaska of the U.S. Apparently Harry Potter is banned for it can challenge the faith of Christians...

People its in the fiction section...



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Well, I believe that "witch hunts" for you beliefs do still occur, and many people either don't know because it is kept silent or they turn their cheek. I speak from personally experience. I was born in Romania and I happen to be of Roma decent. (Gypsy for lack of a widely know word other than this.) Right before I left Europe their was a woman that was Roma and Expecting her first child. She went into labor and was not giving the option of medicine to help with the pain. While she was pushing she was made to sign a release to be sterlized before she left the hostipal. This is one case I know lots of story of Roma being beat, shot by firing squad. Now that I live in the United States I openly say I am of this noble blood however in many place you don't speak for fear of repercussion, however this silences more lies spread cause more hatred and misunderstanding. So yes "Witch hunts" still occur and I have seen it!



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I dont believe so. I think in 3rd world countries it could happen. But most of these countries practice magic anyway.

I also believe that we have learnt from the pass. PPL are more careful these days in stating who and what they are.



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Yes, Sarah Palin wanted Harry Potter banned in Wasilla, Alaska in 1996. I find this ironic since Palin is rumoured to be a denoted Pagan and aspiring "Wiccan" herself. The Wiccan rumour has yet to be verified.

Books Mayor Sarah Palin tried to remove from Wasilla library

This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board.

When the librarian refused to ban the books, Palin tried to get her fired.

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A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King

Other books that she tried to ban can be found: here

She of course, failed miserably as she does in all things.



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Shudders at the thought of sarah palin…
I do remember reading about UN warning about an epidemic coming again of witch hunts not just the isolated here and there that some cant grasp is wrong but now we have a problem that is spread even to England. One group hides behind the banner of the church and tells you your child is a witch and one has to pay up to a years wage, extortion is what it is and most parents cant pay, so the kids are driven from the village and soon picked of by predator people or witch hunters and so forth basically a very saddening event to happen to all involved. One couple in London had nails driven into the kids head to get the witch out.. he died and his body dumped into the river.

http://wildhunt.org/blog/2009/09/witch-hunts-are-now-an-international-epidemic.html

such a sad thing and to those who say it doesn’t happen please read.



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free the west memphis 3



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I don’t know enough about this case, I know it’s not clear and wonder why they wont test the DNA again with today’s advances. Ill watch the paradise lost vid that was made as well.



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Myself I do not feel we should Ban books or movies at all it takes away our free will . I mean yes keep it put up if it has things that small children do not need to read or know until a certain age otherwise I feel that is so wrong to refuse us things that we have every right to have toread or watch if it is not just of an adult nature.


How are kids to learn of bad and evil if we do not tell them and educate them that this world is not always so kind to us( people in it ) My granddaughter knows not to speak to strangers, or if she see something that she is not familiar with to let us know etc. she is welleducated as to *beware* of people that you do nt know and even the ones you *think * you/she knows.

Witch hunts will always be around maybe not as it was back in the burning and hanging days yet, they are here and it is all due to IGNORANCE* on their part

Just my opinion and 2 cents.



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That’s the problem Mara1369 we are if you understand the burning times has been dramatized and numbers fudged, not that that takes away from one death due to the witches hammer…..
http://wildhunt.org/blog/2009/09/witch-hunts-are-now-an-international-epidemic.html

It is back to worrying levels again the UN has asked the world to step in and it’s in every country to varying degrees ….
“This is becoming an international problem — it is a form of persecution and violence that is spreading around the globe,” Jeff Crisp of the U.N.’s refugee agency UNHCR told a seminar organized by human rights officials of the world body.”

UN said tens of thousands have died due to witch hunts, while millions have been beaten, abused, isolated, and turned into refugees.
this is current news everyone not a collection of numbers from the dark ages … I want to get the point across



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until we can all live among each other and accept each other for who we are, there will always be a witch hunt in our society. Goes to show how arrogrant and ignorant some people can be.



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i believe if it did happen they probally target us . never know what will happen



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in Eatern Germany there have been a number of what is thought to be religious killings. so possibly a modern age witch hunt



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Interesting Glasglowgrin do you have a link you can post so we can all go read?



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i can try to find one but i heard it by word of the mouth in munich so im not sure



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There are still hunters, they just hide better.

If they came to my door I would honor my ancestors by accepting my punishment with dignity as they did.



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Hi Yonicedicant
As noble as that first sounds, you should never be a victim or persecuted for your beliefs.
A belief is just that there is no facts just a feeling it is right or voices in there heads talking to them, on those grounds you could be burnt alive by a bunch of nutters and to be honest those who think they have a right based on propaganda, death, lies, fear, control, money, power, greed and deceit sure don’t have a right .. they are the ones who should burn themselves.



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Well, I do not know why anyone would call me a witch, honestly. But yes, Witch hunts do take place all the time. I think there are some videos on YouTube that have footages on actual Witch persecutions. Women are dragged through the streets by their hair, and other women either hit them with sticks or throw stones and stuff at them. It depends on what part of the world one is in, I think.



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01:33:37 Mar 10 2010
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In 2003, The Pagan Awareness Network Inc, which I'm a member of, was backing this witch in her battle for recognition.

Witch Hunt and Vilification.



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03:48:19 Mar 10 2010
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Many people are afraid of what they don't know, or don't understand, so they deal with it by putting people who do believe down.
My husband doesn't understand Wiccan beliefs, so he makes jokes about it, and so in a sense thinks that I'm a joke for believing in it.
As for "witch hunts", I don't think that society today would allow it to go as far as it has in the past, but there are always ways around it.



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In Australia, it is with the help of PAN Inc. Declaring yourself a witch is becoming less of an incrimination than it was some years ago. It is in fact illegal, by authorities to promote youself as a Witch. Wiccan is fine as they believe its ok to be religious, but a Witch apparently has a different connotations to that of being Wiccan. Go figure!



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08:37:42 Mar 10 2010
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anything is possible but my guess it will be on the quiet



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01:20:27 Mar 11 2010
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One word: Terrorists.



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The use of the word witchcraft has become very loose. There is a big difference between a Traditional European witch and what is termed Wicca in the modern world stemming from Gardner. So what they were practicing during the mass hunts may have been very different and some accused were doing nothing. It had to do with vendettas, grudges and jealousy...basically a means to an end of getting rid of someone.

Helen Duncan is known as the last person to be imprisoned under the British Witchcraft Act of 1735. She was tried and convicted in 1944. The last trial was the same year and Jane Rebecca Yorke was only fined. They banned trials for witchcraft in 1950 and shortly after they repealed the law.

In the US there was controversy in 2000, in the state of Oklahoma. The ACLU got involved because a student was accused of casting a spell against a teacher. She was a Wiccan though. The teacher actually got ill so she was blamed for it and suspended 15 days even though she had a perfect attendance record and had no displinary problems at all in school.

In third world countries people are still harrassed and sometimes arrested for witchcraft. You can read about much of this at this URL:

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0408/witchcraft.html



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lol, witch hunt.
How many of those killed during the spanish inquisition , for instance , were actually practicing witchcraft (or anything that went against the church) ?
If you hash them out , then look beyond personal issues (that one guy didn't like how you looked at his daughter , therefor you're a witch) , you're left with the ones killed for financial / political reasons .
You have money . "They" want your money . You're a witch .
Die .

[rant] Same reasons for which the evil evil Afghanistan and Iraq had to be burned at the stake , huh .
Iran ? North Korea ? Burn them all . And when the world's all under control , split it in half , and have the two sides fight each other . [/rant]



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16:08:32 Mar 13 2010
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Anything is possible. But we can only hope that those insadences never happen again



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