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Hey guys! So I'm watching this Japanese movie called, Vampire girl vs Frankenstine girl and this vampire put her blood in a chocolate, gave it to a guy, and he ate it and turned. So, I was wondering what people think about essentially 'drugging' people into vampirism. Do you think it's a plausible idea? If so, why?

Not hardly, just because a movie depicts that blood can turn one into a vampire, does not mean it happens.

Vampires are BORN, not turned. As well, while I am at it, "Awakenings" do NOT exist!!! You are either vampire, or your not. There is no awakening to take place (vampire puberty? give me a break...). Call all the excuses you need, but no.. no drug or chemical can make you a vampire. No such thing as a V5 virus, either.

also while we are on the subject of vampires being potrayed in the media what about in true blood where the guy pretending to be a vampire says 'i could use a cocktail' to the coupple drunk asking about true blood in the first ep, alcohol would be in the blood stream of the human sure but would it effect the vampire in any way?

To THAT question, I can answer.

You see, the blood is full of toxins. From food, alcohol, and of course drugs.

When the blood goes into the system, the vampire does have a reaction to what ever the blood was mixed with. Alchoholic content could give the vampire a short buzz from the blood. Humans do not react as sensitively to blood drinking as vampires do. Which is a good test to see if an self ascribed vampire is who they say they are. Give them some tampered blood, and see if they have a reaction to it.

Yeah, Mrs. Harris has a pretty good idea on how the vampire works. She has very imaginative qualities. Too bad the vampire does NOT burn up in sunlight. But reacts more like the Moonlight version when in contact with the sun.

Back to the blood...

Like I wrote, any type of toxins in the blood will have an effect on the vampire, this is a given. Since they still have a physical body. But, this does not mean that they survive off of the blood, ala "sang" vamp"y"res (this spelling is a fetish term in my opinion).

vvSoulshroudevv I am curious. Why is it that as you say "Vampires are born not turned"?

I am not criticizing just seeking further information.

The blood in the chocolate is the lowest form of vampire sleaze, like a date rape drug, or slipping someone LSD and watching them flip out. Can't this vampire get a pal any other way? Where's the thrill of the chase, the glory in the bite, the euphoria in the first taste? Hell no, that vamp is a rogue with no sense of style. Stake her.

GlasgowGrin, it isn't very polite to be rude to someone for believing differently then you. This is a site called Vampire Rave. Some here believe they exist some are just fascinated with the idea and some are open to the possibility. Either way, sit back and enjoy the conversation, and give your thoughts. Even if you do not believe they exist give your opinion on the topic based on what you would believe IF they did. It would be much more enjoyable for you and others and would keep this thread from going into an argumentative state. :) You never know what you could learn or have to chew on by listening to the thoughts of others. :)

In fiction, the skies the limit as to how a vampire can be portrayed. When you speak of folklore, it is handed down orally and becomes a myth/legend when written down. By the time it gets into writing, it has changed. It is just the nature of the beast.

Most who believe in vampires in the present believe they are born the way they are, including me. The idea of being made is considered a fringe view influenced by fiction but there are smatterings of people who don't agree with that. BUT it was never by a bite or a virus or anything like that.

I wouldn't say I don't believe people have awakenings because I feel that idea hasn't been fully explored. I can only go by my own experiences. I didn't have one. I just had a knowing from when I was very young. I didn't say vampire when I was younger but that I was different "behind the eyes". Not everyone comes to the conclusion they are a vampire. It is much easier now with so many books and the internet/media or depending on where you live to figure things out and if you never do, it doesn't really matter. It won't change the person other than their beliefs usually and their unconscious will take care of alot of things. (IMHO)

I have heard that some say that chocolate temporarily helps with cravings. I wouldn't know, but it is one of my favorite things. I have seen this craving more with people who are coming down from drug or alcohol use.

My immidiate concern, is that someone is contimplating this activity.

A minuscule amount of blood, less than a drop, can carry and transmit an unbelievable amount of disease and bacteria, among which are hepatitis, AIDS, Malaria, even STDS. So, forget about a stomach ache, which is almost certain to occur when drinking raw blood, there are many other things, far worse, that can happen. I would'nt do it, however, many, many people drink blood regularly. With some, its a life-style, or a fetish. If a person has severe and common nosebleeds, they consume a lot of the blood. When a person gets a nosebleed while they're sleeping, blood may seep down their throat for several minutes before they wake up. I have never seen a person vomit after a nosebleed that began while sleeping and I know from personal experience that it is more than possible to sleep through a nosebleed and not experience any negative after effects. Blood, or rather YOUR blood, isn't toxic; but a lot of people who drink their own blood (not on purpose, of course!) will get sick because the idea of drinking blood is disgusting to them.
It only takes a little blood in the stomach to make a person sick. It really depends on the person. Some people get sick very easily after swallowing only a small amount, others take more. However its a fact that the human digestive system does not like blood. Its very irritating to the mucosal lining of the digestive tract.

And I don't believe someone slipping blood into your chocalate will turn you into a vampire.

First,why all the animosity from some of the previous posts?!YEESH!...lol.Ok,that being said,in a fictionalized account of vampirism,the author/director always uses artistic license deciding what will or won't cause one to become a vampire.But. Vampirism through chocolate?What would be the point?As someone else mentioned,where's the thrill,the hunt,the chase&what about actually experiencing the pleasure of "turning" one by feeding?Contracting vampirism through food,etc., seems absurd!

actually it wasnt the blood that did it...it was the CHOCOLATE!
(sweet life giving chocolate!)


jokes aside, i mostly agree with SS on this, but i would like to throw in a caviat.

yes...we are born, but not all are aware of it. the blood can sometimes (rarely) seem to turn someone, but only if that person was already a vampire. (yup, i use that spelling). the blood can stir memories, or perhaps instincts...whatever it is, it awakens them from their sleep, and tells them who/what they are.
so yes, they are "turned"....but they had to be a latent vamp in the first place for it to take.
~Wolf~

Wow, just wow. First vampires sparkle, now you get turned into a vampire by drinking its blood, not through the bond created from the bite.


I think vampirism just became uncool....

the sparkle thing is a mistake ofcoarse....vampires dont sparkle in the sunlight...
faeries do! lol

the movie lost boys used the idea that just tasting of a vampires blood could cause a change, so its not a new concept.
its just wrong
lol
~W~

Biting is from fiction or fetish and is a very dangerous activity. I wonder why people get so upset about what goes on in movies and works of fiction. Who cares if a writer has the skin of a vampire sparkle in the sunlight? Really it was sort of an unique idea. I guess it was a reaction to the UV rays but all in all its suppose to be for entertainment and nothing more.

I mean look at Lost Boys, he drank the vampire's blood out of a bottle. At least that is how I remember it. Just because vampires have been shown mostly one way in movies and basically an Eastern European view doesn't mean writers can't stray from that. I think it was interesting they put the blood in the chocolate. It doesn't matter if it seems highly improbable, it was done merely for the sake of entertainment.

I won't argue over blood drinking and if that is the hallmark of the real vampire, with or without a y, because I don't agree and I don't think it is worth getting into. I also think an "awakening" is just a buzz word for someone coming to certain conclusions about themselves from certain reactions to various stimulus. Everyone has different ideas about things and that is all they are to be perfectly candid about it. People want to get technical about something that is basically in the realm of many theories that they want to propose is fact without any concrete substantiation. This is why anything to do with vampires living or fiction is merely belief. In a documentary on cannibalism on the History channel it was stated that 30 percent of the population could tolerate drinking more than an ounce or so of blood. Most everyone else would vomit since it is an emetic. Where they got the statistics I don't remember.

Many of you are just criticizing this idea and not stating why, I don't know why people keep on feeling unnerved because of a movie, it's a vampire forum, anything related can be discussed whether you believe it's fiction or real.

Alright. I don't personally believe this is a plausible idea because it seems so out there. If vampires existed as we see them in movies and anime today (IF IF IF) then what self-respecting vampire would put blood in chocolate instead of hunting themselves? To me it seems like that vampire would be a very weak, very low quality vampire. Either that or just kind of lazy.

I mean yeah, the idea is kind of neat in one aspect and it's a very unique idea. But just not my kinda deal unless it's a 5 year old with a power trip...

In many Vampyre House's the act of sharing blood without consent is against the rules of the House and is reason for removal from the House.

"drugging" people into vampirisim not a good idea

niet... blood has to be directly taken still warm fresh from the flesh while the heart pounds it out for others to be effected by it...

I believe that life has to still be in the blood whilst it is still connected to the body because once free of the body the life power slowly drains away losing any affect it may have on the one taken it end.

No, I don't think it is possible to "drug" people into vampyrism. I do think it is possible to persuade someone who is easily swayed into believing that they are a vampyre, for example, a schizophrenic person is easily swayed.

think the only place that could work is in a tabletop game(too much vampire the masquerade heh) then again that was being a blood slave of some sort...

Bloody chocolate. Seems a little... well.... stupid.
i love how in this particular thread people are against everyone who has a semi-offended reaction that is 'based on their views which differ' and they shouldn't 'be so biased'
Well if we have an opinion we're going to share it, hostile or no, FAKER or genuine.
Though it seems a genuine vampire would only be offended by this if they were still young and insecure.
The rest would probably just be laughing.

But really, blood in my opinion is best taken by itself, fresh.
And my preference is based on fetish more than not.
But really would you be ok with drinking refrigerated blood?
Well, those of you who aren't already completely against drinking blood. There are diseases to be wary of, yeah, but you get them tested first so it doesn't happen.

Can a person be turned from blood in chocolate?
Weird. Didn't know people could be turned.
On a side note: i may or may not have found an elixir that will allow a canary to become an eagle.

However, and I emphisis this, if you suspect that a bat may have nibbled on anything you ate, the bat may well have been infected by a Bat Flea. Dont take chances contact me via message for info on where to send a swab for lab testing. The research is still not conclusive on the potential for infection by ingestion.

Well if you were to believe in vampirism and being able to turn people through the sharing of blood then i guess, yes it would be as vampirism is a disease, it infects the body and changes it. The same would happen if one infected food with any number of diseases...

I got turned by blood hidden in a shot. So not sure about chocolate but its plausible if the witch knows her stuff.Bows to Wolf-spot on.

omg... people...
you cannot be "turned" into a vampyre...
thats physically impossible...
you are either one or not...
There is no Vampyre virus that you can catch to be
turned... som people don't realize who they are until
they begin to mature.... but that is human nature in general,
but just to state the fact from the myth

YOU CANNOT TURN SOMEONE INTO A VAMPYRE.
ok?
end of story.

OK folks, let's seriously be KIND to each other; the Joy of Humanity, as well as Vampire Rave, is the Concept that we "all" can have different Views on things, including Vampirism...please don't scoff at those "honestly curious", you not only shame your Rank, but your Name here.

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As far as "Awakening"...I stick very staunchly to the Idea that YES, it "can" happen: For example, I'm an Indigo "Scout" due to the timeline that I was born into on this Planet...(Google it if you don't know what that is)...and although I was born "knowing" many things along the lines of the Occult and Spirituality without ever really, say, "reading up" on those Subjects.......I was raised a Pentecostal Christian and taught, from a very young Age, that all things "different" like that were "Satanism"of a sort...or bent along the "Devil's Path" which was a Path that I was forced off of, until I got tired of "pretending" that what I saw, felt, experienced, and could do, "weren't real"...hence, an Alignment of my Higher, and Lower Selves, and the Alignment of the Upper Worlds and Lower Worlds in correlation to my personal "Existence" here.

Personally, I don't think it is very true..
Just something to spice up the older legends

i don't believe people exposing truth from myth is disrespectful.
that's how people learn, if we never exposed truth from myth
people would still believe the world was flat

I also agree with Dabblers response..it is rather concerning that someone maybe be comtemplating this activity. It is completely insane to think that someone can be turned into a vampire with chocolate that has been infused with blood. Idiotic!

yes. please don't let someone put blood in your food.
screening blood is very important and even if
people have been checked for blood born illness it's pointless.

however I know that some gatherings mix blood in wine. but it's part of a ritual.

I presume everyone involved in those rituals is aware that they are ingesting blood, thats fine :) lol.
If some moron laced my food with blood and i unknowingly ingested it and then found out later i might have to do something very nasty to them. To sum up....its highly irresponsible for anyone to ever concider doing this and last but not least...
Chocolate + blood DOES NOT=vampire! :)
(unless its part of a twisted fairy tale)

OK, I'll "try" to answer back again...I don't think it would be too cool to lace someone's candy with blood, is all I'm sayin'.

G.O.C you speak with great authority and certainty for a young man.
What makes you think you have seen all and know all at such a tender age? just interested...it comes across as something else. I have met several senior Vamps who would strongly disagree with your posts and offer you a glass of red wine.
Why do you think witches of old had a phyl of blood in a necklace?

I do know of many spells that involve blood...
but one to turn someone into a vampire?
Forgive me for being skeptical if this works figuring vampyrism
is not only a physical but a spiritual growth,
and therefor a personal choice...
one that can not be forced upon someone.
Much like one cannot force someone to be a witch.

But please enlighten me. I would love to learn of this spell...
and I may be young, but I have seen and done quite a lot for my tender age and have studied for years. I guess I'm just an early bloomer.

i think it's possible to drug ppl and work on their mind so that they believe things that they normally would not have,i believe some underground cults work in that sence but thats about it..truly turning someone into something else by drugging them i would have to say no unless....unless the drug had special DNA transforming agents which worked on changing the person physically.

And sometimes... just sometimes... it doesn't take subversive actions of cults, clandestine governmental or secret-society operations, forced cocktails of mind-altering drugs on unwitting victims, or other elaborately orchestrated and funded Machiavellian machinations to make people believe wild things about themselves.

Sometimes all it takes is just garden-variety self delusion.

I do believe there are ways to have people believing they are something when they are not, but I am convinced that there is no way to "turn" someone via blood transfer. As a few people stated above, there is no "Vampire Virus" that can be shared amongst people to have them turned in such a manner.

GodofChaos, I'm curious why your view is so absolute on this question when all fictional accounts, books, movies, etc., hold the opposite view.

As the blood-drinking "vampire," the iconic pop-culture stereotype so revered and emulated by almost all here, is depicted throughout all fictional accounts as able to "turn" others through his bite, how is it you are so convinced that such cannot happen?

Upir, you are correct such cults exist and use a variety of forces, hypnotism, drugs, bloood and ritual.
To agree with Cancer-thoughts are thing...
Here endeth the lesson, well, it's not mine as you can see!

I think you have misunderstood me, AlieNation. I was not arguing for the existence of weird cults. Instead I was saying that the reason most people become convinced of very strange things about themselves is due to ... self delusion.

The Moonies don't exist? Waco was immagined?
Oh the strange ones do my friend...Moreover, putting something in chocolate was a small thing to them.

Beware the high protein deit!

I didn't say that strange cults don't exist. What I thought I had made crystal clear was that strange cults are not the reason why the MAJORITY of people believe strange things about themselves.

Again... in almost all cases, it is not blood-laced chocolates, strange concoctions of mind-altering drugs or Moonies and Branch Davidian-esque cults that are to blame... but instead the fault lies with the people, themselves, who delude themselves into believing whatever they will.

Because I am positive that the bite was a writers very creative way to make it so other characters in books can be transformed into vampires. It makes no logical sense that a bite should turn someone other than, as you said.... in fiction. If that was the case, every donor that someone uses and everyone that a vampyre TODAY feeds from should be turned. If you believe that this is a logical way to turn someone, then why hasn't this happened for the hundreds of thousands of donors that exist today? The truth is there are many people who confuse myth for reality... fictional books are just as they are labeled... fiction... and fiction is often more popular. But some people never take the time to find out the truth for themselves via research. Digging through texts and writings and recorded history. Old cultic beliefs instead of the ever so popular Christian ones. The world famous vampire that is in books and movies is the one portrayed by Christian... and we all know how often they exaggerate things that are not of their norm. Witches, to them, also fly on broomsticks and are old hags of women.

The reality, is I am positive because I honestly do live the live this life and I have done years of research and digging, not only to teach myself fiction from reality but to teach others too... but some are so stuck on what they learned first that it is hard to sway them from the myths.

Just like letting a child watch Pocahontas, then later explaining that she was only 12 and John Smith was in his 30s and actually raped and abused her.... they weren't madly in love.... that child would argue... "no.... they were! cuz it what I saw on TV!"

GoC, Glad to hear you say that. In the entry to which you replied, I made it a point to use the word "fiction" repeatedly given that, as Slavic experts have stated repeatedly, there are no actual witnessed accounts of vampires drinking blood; all such are found only in fiction.

Thus, whatever the Vampire of history was or is, he was not known by the Eastern Europeans as a blood drinker. And, thus, whatever did truly identify him as such must first be known before ANYONE can state authoritatively whether one can be "turned" or not.

- Upir'

One thing is for certain given the above fact: as biting and/or drinking blood does not make one a "Vampire," neither can being bitten turn another into one.

Simple logic.


- Upir'

Not really, because you can really beleive in everything you see in movies.

Well if thoughts are things and we agree people are very suggestable.
Then at what stage does this translate thought into a change in "matter". The subject is hypnotised and given blood and both victim and predator Believe they CAN be turned. Then is it not possible they would grow teeth and become somethig else? After all, religious ceremonies often speak of great healing, growing new hair and teeth, or not bleeding from wounds...is it not just mind over matter.

I do not think it is myself. The traditional methods of turning someone is more for my "tastes" lol

AlieNation, I can't recall a single instance where through belief alone one is able to truly change themselves physically or physiologically to what they weren't before.

"Which of you, by taking thought, can add one cubit to his stature?" - Matthew 6:27

This statement is as true today as it was when reputedly spoken by the historical Jesus. And same goes for adding fangs, hair or anything else.

Oh... you can believe all you like that you "need" to drink blood or that you "need" to sleep by day and be active at night, or that you really do "feed" off the energy of others, etc.

Yet, believing it don't make it so. Or do you have actual scientifically documented proof to the contrary?


- Upir'

There are many stories of buddist monks regrowing teeth or hair and some are on the net.
Micro analysis of enamel shows it can regenerate as the tooth is a living thing. My own dentist has commented more than once on my teeth so I had to change practice.No doubt viewing dental Xrays would make the point.However we digress, the fact is many folk lead relatively normal lives but then experience an awakening through one means or another. I merely gave examples in good faith which should not be confused with proof to justify research grants.

Anything is possible within the realms of fiction.

However, I do not find this method of 'turning' people into vampires particularly appealing.
As far as morality goes (ie: "It's not right to drug people into vampirism!") well, vampires are individuals and just like human beings there are always going to be those who march to the beat of a different drummer.

I don't believe that you can take a bit of blood soaked chocolate and "turn" anyone into a vampire.

Honestly, reading the forums long enough... with people who are often very stubborn, doing the posting... you learn that no matter what you feel is true, no one will take your word no matter what proof you bring forth, but that is human nature... to believe you are always the highest authority... Some believe is is plausible by what they have read in fiction, others do not... but honestly it's not worth getting worked up about... like some people here who insist on mocking people in other threads because not everyone agrees with him...

It's time we stop acting like children... everyone is not going to agree on MANY things related to blood and vampirism... but no need to be a douche in other threads because someone thinks you're wrong.

Take it with a grain of salt and be an adult.

I read this thread about pooh and other peope but was no further forward?

Perhaps I,m dense but spell it out please, for us dense folk!

My understanding is this relates to a movie plot and nothing more. The bite thing that most think of from Dracula is because it was a bite that changed people supposedly or a curse connected to werewolf legends. The two legends were mixed together by the author. They didn't understand the death process. The body bloats and blood is seen around the mouth. Many women died after childbirth, hemorrhagging and that was attributed to a vampire in many cases...its pure myth.

As for blood, in Europe, Scandinavia and other places in the world people eat food infused with animal blood such as sausage, soups, stews, pancakes and in Africa, milk. With humans a bite is very dangerous, not only does it damage skin tissue, it is very painful and it really can kill someone due to the bacteria and other factors that can be spread to the individual. This is something those in the community state unequivocally should not be done. There are fetishers the like the pain though.
There was a line of food that came out after 2004 and I don't remember what it was called but everything had blood in it including chocolates but I don't think it was human blood. Its a protein among other things but once out of the body it will die very quickly so to get anything out of it one must take it and injest it right away. With transfusions they use plasma which is made up of a large amount of water...there is a large amount of that in the blood but it would depend on whether out of a vein or artery how many toxins you would pick up because one oxygenates and the other carries off toxins. I am sure there would be the same chance with any portion of the blood and with any form of bodily fluid that one downs. When in the stomach it would be no different than any other food it is just whatever is in the makeup most people cannot tolerate it because it is not made to be eaten in that way. Once you drink it since it is in liquid form like milk which is also a food product rather than just purely a beverage even though it is used in that capacity, it has to be broken down in the digestive tract. Foreign blood doesn't seem to break down like that because it wasn't made for drinking in the first place. (the human kind)

Just because you see something in a movie doesn't make it real. It is just from the imagination of the writer. It also doesn't make it the stereotype of a vampire. I find all the ideas in novels quite interesting and don't get too put off if it is something new because it is only fiction.

in the old lore, vampires were really bad people that came back, witches and or sorcerers that came back, AND also people that died due to a vampire.
since the writings from austria about vampires in the 16-1700s talked about their taking/drinking blood and there is more and older lore about blood taking, the bloodborne pathogen/vampire scenario actually comes together.

there is nothing in the lore ive found tho that suggests that one becomes a vamp by drinking vamp blood.

like mystery science theaters theme song used to say...

"if you wonder how they eat and breath
and other science facts
just repeat to yourself its just a show
and you should maybe just relax"

~W~

Since it's a hypothetical question my answer would be, it depends. If vampiric blood were like a drug or if it contained some sort of ability to affect a human's DNA then i would say , why the hell not? Not everyone believes in vampires but not everybody is the same either and to each their own ;)

I had not thought of that, blood, chocolate, sex, magnesium, mmm it has light giving properties doesnt it...mmm.

That may explain the eyes, thanks whether you knew that or not, something new to consider...opens his chemistry book.

she said nothing about sex....
get ur head out the gutter....

but in a movie....this could happen.
LMAO!!!!

Um, not understanding this one:


"Not hardly, just because a movie depicts that blood can turn one into a vampire, does not mean it happens.

Vampires are BORN, not turned. As well, while I am at it, "Awakenings" do NOT exist!!! You are either vampire, or your not."

Yea you ARE turned that way, with the blood, you aren't BORN a vampire. ?! Wtf? "Vampires are born"? Again, wtf have you been reading? Have you not seen the million vampire movies out? Not understanding that comment. Haha...

Anyway, sure, why not? Have seen a ton of movies where someone drinks the vamp blood and becomes one. Hello, Lost Boys, Dracula, um, all of them...and the people are "turned". *sigh*

Hell, nobody is an expert on it, because they don't exist, so everything you see is simply another person's opinion and imagination.

That's the thing...
you're going off of movies to prove your point...
There are MANY...if not most movies that are PURE fiction.

If we were to go off movies as a valid source of information
Anastasia would be alive... when actually she has been dead for decades... Pocahontas would be "in love" with John Smith...when actually she was a raped and abused 12 year old girl.... and Vampires glitter like in twilight...

to use movies and fictional books for information is quite invalid... there are things called Vampyre trials [much like the witch trials... but in Eastern Europe]... they are very old trials mostly in the 1700s where vampyres were put on trial... most were killed when found to be one... and their bite... or any transfer of blood NEVER turned another person into a Vampyre...

So if you can't be turned... then you must be born.

Not so, look to your history. Do you think it's all fiction?
OMG I hate my type ERO's: I,ll get over it;
Note to self, never type when blitzed! LOL!
O yeah BTW...
We can can Blitzed just takes a Lil more than 4 u!

Please show me actual documented history where it claims vampire bites change people... I have plenty where people have been bitten and HAVEN'T Changed... folklore is folklore...

just as fairytales are fairytales.

The truth is... if a simple bite changed people... this plant will be over run with vampires. You have to think of all the donors a vampire will have in their lifetime.... it will be like a plague... so that alone makes the theory of a contagious bite, unrealistic.

We'd have vaccines for it, much like rabies... but obviously we don't.

To answer the question 'drugging people into vampirism’ wouldn’t that go against the vampire nature, wouldn’t that take away the thrill of the hunt? Then again in the old vampire movies the Count would hypnotise his female victim into submission.

Well if any of you have been watching True Blood, they sell vampire blood to people. Wouldn't that be sort of drugging?
They claim just a little puts them in such a state of a high etc.
That alone doesn't make much sense to me because i would think sharing any type of DNA altering blood would turn those "blood buyers" partly vampiric or into their zombie puppets lol. I would also think, this is why vampires WOULD be picky about whom they share part of themselves with, because it essentially bonds their chosen to them in all forms psychically, as well as physically carrying the sire's traits.

I actually wouldn't have to be drugged to be turned. I'd be a willing participate. :)

I do not believe this happens.

wow its vey hard to follow what people r saying