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Is "Is vampirism (as in the sanguine/psy/pranic type...not the mythological type) a chioce or not?"

I hear people calling it a lifestyle, a belief, and/or a fetish...which all would imply that it is a condition that one chooses. However, on the other hand, you have those who say that they must feed in order to live...which implies that it is not a choice.

I think it could be both.

A condition if they feel the need,a choice if it's their wish.

I just heard this from another forum. I do believe that everything is a choice for if it wasn't I seriously doubt, anyone would be what they are or how they are. The only thing that seppareates us from any other living thing is our choice & the choice we make to do things. If not then it would seem as another had the choice to do whatever he or she or thing whant with you & I seriously doubt that anyone here would like to know that is been controled by another. So choice is everything.

Agreed on most counts, Firebender. Though what do you say to those who claim that it is like a disease...something they're born with or acquire unwillingly?

In these cases perhaps, it is not so much a choice of whether to have it or not, but how one deals with it?

(Just as a sidenote: I'm not vampiric, so I don't have any definite answers either way...I'm asking out of my own curiosity.)

Its all good in been curios, its why we are all here in the first place. But , aldo what I am going to say I have to apply it on myself, I think everything in this life is choice, I mean, there are only two things you do not have a choice on the matter-been borned & dying. These two are garanteed 100%. Everything else we do in life is a choice.EVERYTHING, no matter who you are or how you were borned like or if you are diferent than others. Vamps or no vamps.

I would say that it is not a choice.Even with respects to it being a fetish.I myself have a vampirism/bloodletting fetish and it was not my choice(at least on any conscious) for blood to have the affect that it does on me.
I believe that some people may develop an attraction,that may develop into a mental addiction(I wish to make clear that I by no means mean to label anyone an"addict".Or offend any one by my statement).This,then,may explain why some people need it to survive.
However this is not to say that some people dont make an active choice to"lean" towards this sort of "thing"(for want of better phrases)
I hope that this is a coherent contribution.

Just to correct an error on my post-
re:(at least on any conscious level)

There are some things that are not by choice, and some things are.
You have no choice about your hair color or eye color or height. You have no choice about your skin color. You have no choice about rather or not you have a disorder like being deaf, or MS. None of that is by choice.
Things like, what kind of car you buy, who you love or don't love, what you wear are by choice.
But there are things that I feel can be chosen by some as a lifestyle, but by others, it's chosen for them. One of those things is Vampirism.

It depends on your definition of 'Vampire'. If, as I do, you believe it means the people who need the life energy of others to survive, then the condition is not a choice.
If you believe it includes those that merely life the 'lifestyle', then obviously it's a choice.
I personally don't consider lifestyle vampires to be vampires, but it's just my opinion.

Completely a choice...That's my vote

What,tho,is the general deifinition of a "vampire lifestyle".
Is this to only go out at night,drink blood and to wear period clothes.Or whatever the person deems to make them look like a vampire.
I'm sure everyone must have a different(if only slightly different)idea of what this "vampire lifestyle" is.
I dont consider my fetish to mean I lead a "vampire lifestyle",just that it is by general perception/definition(maybe) a type of vampire associated behaviour.

Everything in life is a choice. There are only two things or acts in this life that are ot to be chosen by one it self. Been born & death. Now in been born also applys the fatc the way one looks talks and things of the sort but how we act live & are towards life is purely a choice, no one makes you the way you are but your own self choice.So Everything is a choice.

A good point.But I dont(unfortunately) when I see blood have a choice that it "turns me on".Much the same as no one has a choice as to what "turns them on".
If someone does then I count them lucky. For me it is not a choice.
I can only speak for myself tho.

i think it can be both. you can choose to become a vampire or you don't have a choice. im not sure though

Choices are usualy made through experience. Who knows what lifes experiences lead us to, how they define our choices. I feel saying everyone has a choice to be very simplistic.
We are what life makes us i feel. If we look back on our lifes im sure each and everyone of us would have a ''what if ''scenario. I can only speak for myself when i say life has made me what i am .now am i happy with that? Thats a whole new thread as some of my choices in life mar what i wish to be/do now.
As i have also stated there are certain diseases that deny others a choice.

In conclusion the answer would be yes and no....Grins cheekily

It could be either way. It really all depends on how the person wants to believe it and how they believe it.

Its not lucky, is knowing how to control your mind even in such times. I do not want to sound like uuu or shit but I can actually control such even inside the moment.

I do believe, that at some level, is a choice. Even if you become a real vampire(and by real I`m referring to the mythological definition and not to the medical condition) against your will, if you choose to stay a vampire, it`s a choice. If you don`t like it... destroy yourself. But it is said that even those persons who are made vampires against their will, in their subconscience are looking for something that will give them the feeling that there is a better choice than death... are looking for a choice... and then... bite!

Ahriman
Im sorry but WTF...

As a response to fire bender:
Obviously one exercises self-control,tho ultimately no matter what,you may hide said emotions yet they are still their.

I feel this to be a perspective based subject,and their are many factors because of this.
As sky said their are medical conditions to take into account also.I also agree(sky) with your points on life experience.Experiences do,indeed, have a major affect on our tastes and who we are.
All said and done we are who we are.

I am sorry too for your misunderstanding... It is a choice, to be more simplistic; even if you believe that you were drawn to this, YOU MADE A CHOICE! A secure mind, a strong spirit can never be bound into choosing this. So I believe it is a choice, because at some level, you are looking for it.

On a level yes it is a choice yet on another it is not.I DO choose to embrace this part of myself.On the other hand,as I said in my first comment,I did not make a conscious choice for blood affect me in said ways.
Yes a strong mind/will does make its own choices,I agree.

I suppose it is a choice, not many do chose to be a vampire, but I do. The taste of blood in my mouth is such a turn on, and many people cant stand the sight of blood, but I can be around it all day and night.

Life leads each individual down different roads in life. I believe most things happen by choice, but there is always the chance that things happen by fate so to speak.
My reply to this is mixed: Yes and no

I would say that it depends on wht level we are talking about...

Yes, we have the choice to embrace this part of our natures, and live what ever way makes us happy, but at the same time Im not sure the choice to actualy "be" vampiric is always in our hands...

I agree. You can't choose whether or not you are of the condition. You are either born with it or you aren't. A vampire is someone who's subtle body has no means of replenishing its energy, so the vampire is forced to feed on the energy of others to survive. It is not a choice to be a vampire. It is, however, a choice whether or not you embrace the fact.
I'm technically not a vampire, because I don't have the need. I wouldn't want to be one, either.
And on a side note, there are no undead vampires. Even if there were, you wouldn't meet any here.

For me its not a choice i was able to read people and feel there engery.

It was somethig it seems I was born with, and as curiousity grew, so did my desire. Even so, it's more of 'just something you learn to live with' in my condition.

well i guess it boils down to what you believe it to be..no one can tell you what you are or not, but there are people that can see through lies and games.
its never been about choice from the beginning..its something that your born into..a condition..yes a way of life, but not one that you were given the choice to partake in.
but this is what i have learned it to be....like life... you dont have a choice in it.

I would say that it is most defiantly a choice for some, as there are those who like me, I
grew up knowing and enjoying the company of a vimpiric community, where people do live as some say a lifestyle. While in that life yes some drink and feed of f each other whether it be by physic energy or the act of drinking blood. While in this community I did meet a partner who I did let finely feed off of me (very enlightening and erotic) and yes after a year or so I was gifted with fangs sharp enough to brake skin, and yes I to now feed in a circle. That was my choice.
While I have been doing this for the last 8 years of life (9 in Dec.06), I do though find that it is hard to go without the taste of blood, so I would say my choice as now become my need. While yes I can live with out it, I do go thorough what I guess would be withdraw when I do not get blood. SO yes it can start as a choice for some but led to so much more.

While there are others of sorts who have no choice and suffer from a medical condition, which is known as Porphyria: a condition, which has been postulated by some scholars to have inspired the vampire myths of the past. Sufferers of Porphyria have pale, flaky skin and are very sensitive to sunlight. Their gums often recede excessively, giving their teeth an elongated and fang-like appearance. Porphyria is caused by a deficiency in the enzyme which helps produce heme, a constituent of the blood which helps carry oxygen throughout the body. Most people who suffer from Porphyria are known to need blood transfusions to help in oxygen flow for the body. Dr. David Dolphine was the first to suggest that Porphyria was the inspiration for at least some of the Mediaeval vampire myths, contending that some of the sufferers may have been driven to drinking blood in order to relieve their symptoms. As a result the condition has come to be known in modern times as “The Vampire Disease”, so for some people it is not a choice as to the need of blood.

SO with all that said for some of us out there it is our choice to live the way we do while others can not help but live the way they do.

J.

I would have to say both as for some, it is a need, to have the blood or the energy, etc. or they feel weak and not quite right with themselves or the world.

For others, it is a choice. Something they have a want for but will not suffer without it.

I would say no it isnt a choice if you are in fact of a vampyric nature, ie need to feed from energy in whatever way you do.

The choice is there for those who want to live a vmap lifstyle whatever that is, ut to choose to drink blood if u dont get a feed from it is either fetish or diesease... it may be enjoyable as a fetish but it isnt necessary to pump up the energy level

same for psi/psy... you dont wake up onemorning and decide to become psychic, you eithe rhave the gift or not. It can lay dormant or be there from birth, and psychic/clairvoyant gifts DO NOT make a vampire, its the need for the energy that makes vampire.

If you meet with people who have same views, or have psy gifts whether vampyric or not it can awaken your own, if you have them, if you don't you don't

I agree that in some cases choice and other cases not a choice.

I am not a vampire...I more or less have a facination with vampires, blood, and death.

And I dont know alot on this situation but I agree with everyone's points that it is different in different situations. I especially agree that it might originally be your choice but it takes a hold of you and you need it.

Nastya, you are right about the psi/energy thing , I was overlooking that in my post I think. Lol

For me, it isn't a choice. If I want to live a quality life
I need to feed from other sources of life force energy. The food I eat simply makes it possible for me to exist.......not live.

It is not a choice for me. I do need to feed to maintain energy. If I don't feed I get sick. The very first time I became a Vampire I was born one, so it has always been in my blood and it will always be. But my honest oppinian is some have a choice and some don't.

For me personally and most Real vampires that I know.. It is not a choice. it is a condition. I dont think a person will die from not feeding. Some get pretty ill though. especially those of the sang nature. For me Feeding comes naturally through aura reception, and off those emotions of the indiviual around me. Like narakindryn I was born with my condition. or at least as far as I am aware and my family has enlightened me with stories. I have had my condition for as long as I can remember.

choice

I don't beleive that it can be a free-willed choice to suffer the effects of energy depletion, mostly because I subscribe to the beleif of reincarnation and that one must have a vampyric soul to move on into each successive life with it.

But, equally, within each life, there have to be life choices that lead a person to the realisation of what they are.

Then there needs to be a moment of pure clarity of the self-truth. An epiphany, if you will, which breaks the mind from casual awareness of the immediate environmental requirements, into a total recognition of a much larger universe and state of being.

Though it seems that the awakening is an ongoing process, there still nees to be that event which allows a person to truly 'become' what they are.

The only way it is a conscious choice, in my opinion, is when people live up to the billing and assume the preconcieved lifestyle role.

(not that I disagree with that either, but choosing a role to live by and being forced to suffer a deficiency carried over from past lives, are totally different things)

To have the condition is not a choice. To embrace it is a choice, but only one to be made by a vampire.

I like to think of it as more of a calling.. Not a choice nor something thrust upon you.. But a calling that you feel from deep within..

welll if u look at it as a fetish...... u cant pick what u like to do...... so i say its no choice

It can be both in some senses but I lean more towards it's not a choice

vampirism is an aquired condition and it's feeding is a need.
Of the types of vampirism you metioned,sanguine is by choice of will or popular feeling.

anything can be a choice depending how you look at it.

All i will say on this it can be both a need or choice. It all depends on the person.

It is both every exsistience is unique,

i beleive its both

I also believe that it can be both, just like with almost everything else out there. Some choose one particular path while others are forced or coerced in some way into it.

it is just like abortion not by choice it is as a friend would say a lifestyle or as i say it is the way i will, have, and will have my lifew like this feeding off of others until im full and with and that is who my kids will be raised up.

In that I continue to suggest that psi vampirism is a choice not a condition I am going to have to stand on that.

I have yet to see any evidence of anything even remotely as a legitimate sanguine "turning" another individual into a mythic being with powers far greater than normal men.

Until that is proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt I will have to remain skeptical and continue suggesting that all forms of vampirism are of a choice.

Not a choice!! You ARE who you ARE!!!

Actually it can be a choice or it can not be a choice. Like I said it depends on the person.

I beleve that it is a choice either u chose to or u dont either way at some point it always boils down to a choice plane and simple...

vampirism is a choice to some and to others it is there life because they need it.

Hi Evangius,

I can agree with you that some forms of psy-feeding can be entirely a voluntary choice, but, and I have to state that this is only based on what people have expressed in their own opinion, there does seem to be some credence to the thought that people are able to naturally absorb the ambient energy around them.

Many have said that they feel uplifted when in crowds that are expending a lot themselves, such as nightclubs. I can't see why that would be their choice, when it's happening subconsciously.

I believe that it is a choice in most cases, there is a rare disease that makesit impossible to live with out having taken someone elses blood, but for the most part one has to choice to live the lifestyle ofa vampire and choice to take one another's blood from eachother...... That is my beliefe, I choice to bea vampire, not becauseitis a fetish, but because it is a way of life that I have known for so long and choice to keep it that way..... What about you? What do you say, did you choose to,or just not sure yet?

i believe that it is a choice and a curse... It is a choice to start believeing in vampires and to start dressing like one... but it is not a choice(most of the time) to get bitten... and you dont have a choice on feeding.. if you dont then you will grow weak and truely die...its that simple

I believe it is both ......though for me i do not consider it a choice.....i am a psy because it is a part of me and who i am

I discussed this issue with a great Northern Queen once .... I admire her and respect her word .... She taught me a very profound lesson, which is resonated here in everyones posts .... I will echo her words ...

"This lifestyle chooses you, you dont choose it!" ....

Tis true that the choices I have made, have lead me on this journey ... but, were they choices... ?? really ... ?? ... Or a predestined fate / plan .... to be honest ... I care not!!! ... for what is truely important is that I am what I am. I can live with that !!! ....

I pray, 'health and good fortune to all'!!

~+~ Lord Rhiakath ~+~

I would like to ask something out of curiosity, what you people really think is a lifestyle, since to me is nothing more than what it says, a style.Styles go on and off as much as I change the channel on a tv in a 10 minutes period.

Firebender has a point but, some people are faithful to a life style. Look at BDSM its an on and off thing but, some people have remaind very faithful to it

Perhaps it's best to ask where did the word vampire really originate and what was it's actual meaning.
I don't think that they were debating whether it was a condition or not as most are doing in the modern world.
I believe vampirism is a learned ability the mind has tapped into and vampirism is the word being used for it. But that's just my opinion of it.

i believe that it is a choice, some subconsciously believe it is necessary to feed on blood in order to survive.

I think it could be either honestly, like yea some could choose to be a vampire and follow everything or you have the people who truley believe they need blood to survive, so thats them, you cant say its a choice for them if they believe its them, so i think its both really

I suppose it would be a choice to be a vampire either way. If you need blood to survive it's your choice to drink it. If you just like the style that is your choice too. But, that just depends on how you look at it. Anything anyone does in life is bent on decisions, which are choices. Some poeple decide they had no choice in being a vampire, but how did they come to that decision? Most likely by making a choice.

in a way yes....but in another no...some people don't even know that they can be born a vampire....but others do know that you can become one...by mixing blood...it can go either way...really...but...yea...-mieta-

This is true...If you are born one, its a little hard not to be one. But it's your choice to figuring it out or recognizing it. For those who mix blood to become one, well that is their choice.

I think that it could be either too. On one side you have the ppl that chose to be vampire and on the either you have others that need blood.

well, it could be both, I mean, there are some true ones, but lets not be so shallowminded.

in a way yes it was in my case the opportunity was given to me and I chose to accept the greatest of gifts the dark gift...

I think it depends
For some it is a total choice
others I think feel compelled twoards it
and can't escape it, even if they try.

Like some of the others I suppose that it would all depend on your definition of vampire.

I personally like to follow the no sunlight, drink your blood in the dead of night definition. And therefore I don't believe that there's much of a choice involved.

But that's just me.

i think its like air if your a vampire thats how you live its not like one day we wake up and saw fuck today i'll be a vampire it sounds like fun

its just a mixture of both

I believe that as a skill it is a choice. Besides that, I believe that if you are aware of yourself at very least..it is a choice. The urge is stronger for some than others I feel..but I also feel that even for those to whom it comes strongest a choice is made. One way, or another.

- D

I think I have said it like three times and still keep going, everything is a choice. I really have tried to see many points given to me and still I end up getting the same answer, everything in ones life is a choice.

I believe, that some dont have a choice.
I mean, what about the psi vamps that take energy unconsciously?

well, there is the kind that is a fettish and then there is the real kind...but THAT is not a choice

I think it is not by choice, you are what you are

Think about this, if its not your show then why are you *dosn't really point to know one* yourself? If you cannot choose who you are or what you can become then you should not be yourself but another person made by someone else.

It's definitely not a choice by any means.

If it wasen't a choice why are somany still been a " " vampire or in vampirism? most sound like they are obligated to be on vampirism, if does that are so " " obligated do not like it then why are they in it? And if the answer is because they like it or simply because, then it is a choice not an obligation. NO one can obligate a person to do anything

i hjave to agree with LaMuerte. i am a phyvamp and it was not my choice. looking back i was born this way just never relized it. it wasnt even really my choice i was awakend. if you read my pro the lady that awakend me did so by heedin to my thirst for knowledge and i curious about everything energy related wished to learn more...

know now what i didnt then i would have been happy wounderin around ignorant to my true nature, but alsa i cant hide from it. i cant even decide i wont feed from donars... i tried that just this last few months and am now payin for it by bein horribly sick... feedin is not a choice nor should one choice to want to if they do not need to...

its a curse and s horrible one at that! i wish every day that i do not feel the need of the hunger but i cant. now i see that i can even deny the hunger what it needs or it will consume me...

its not a choice and those who wish it apon themself i feel pitty for because they dont understand....

Well i feel terribly sad for does who are either obligated or do not wish to have control for themself. At the least for myself I know everything to me is a choice and I choose what i want. I can start feeding from everyone today and tomorrow if i do not wish to I can simple stop.That was an example, to me it is the same way for everything.

see but you cant hold everyone to your standards because not everyone is you. and to expect them to is obsurd. i am not the only one that thinks this way cause i am not the only one that has felt this way.. to say its wrong cause we dont control all asspects of our life is unfair and unjust

I believe it is not by choice because of the fact that we do not choose what we are on the drop of a dime.~NFA

It is not unfair is a fact, If everyone keep letting someone else do and/or control their life then whats the point in having one in the first place? Even in th elowest point that a person think that hes life is not worth it still have a choice to keep it or give it away.Now what I see its that most do not want to accept such responsability thats why they instead of admining it they always turn and blame others for their actions and/or choice they make. Sad part about it most people really believe what thye say.

I dont want to turn this to an argument but at least respond yourself *anyone who cares* Why cant ytou choose your life and what you do in yourlife? why and/or why not? As said before I choose my life and as easily can change it the next day if I choose to thats te diference between me and does who let others do things for them.

Note-the question is for everyone individually and is to be answered for one itself.

There is no choice for a person... You are either born a vampire or not... Having a fetish or obsessing are for those who long to live like we do, but will never have the ability... I was born the way I am and I know many others who were born... those who say they were "turned" are not vampires... Atleast not from a Psy point of view... I cannot speak for the Sangs, but I believe that it is not choice for anyone... there's my two cents...

*~Gylanah~*
The Rose...

I do not think that people have no choice. I also find it amusing that many of the same people who would criticize others for their lack of ethics concerning their choices..are usually the same ones claiming that they, themselves, did not choose vampirism. It somehow, and quite mysteriously...chose them! Since they are here by, what is made out to be, some sort of Divine wish..they seem to think they are beyond reproach.

I learned a great saying a while back. "Evil is a dungheap, everyone gets up on their own and speaks out about someone elses." I feel that is appropriate here. If you don't understand why I'm said that..it's too bad. Because in my opinion anyway, this thread just became way too long.

- D

I wans't borned a vampire I dont even belive vamps are real yet I have said on other occasions that I rather lik ethe idea of such been somewhat real, the mind is a beautifull thing when it come to what it likes and want. My respond to keep on track is that I wasn't born " " a vamp yet I like the idea so I chosse to be one or rather be on the vampirism world, one day I might get tired of it and go on with anothe life style that I choose to. And what I have said, that I can do so can everyone else just that most of the people rather preferr to let someone else be their master and to be a puppet to everything and everyone with out admiting the thruth. They know they can but they fear the chance of knowing that they have the control over their own lifes and choices.

i am not sayin i am having someone else make my chioces for me i make my own. you seem to not be gettin the point. you need to step outside your little box and see it how we phyvamps do. we didnt nor did anyone else chose to make us this way. it was how we were born. we can not control the naturlal flow of thing to tell us we should is unjust you cant tell mother nature how to act. she scts of her own free will! and you cannot control that!

I had to comment on this one last thing, it may not be a great idea for anyone to speak on the behalf of their entire class(blood/psi). Last thing, I promise.

- D

I am going to stick to the main idea since I just read your comment and think you just contadicted yourself. Vampirism is it a choice or not, my first comment to this was everything is a choice. If you read your comment clearly you say you can make a choice then you say mother nature acts on its free will *meaning one acts of its own free will* resulting in that you have clearly accepted that infact you can choose if you desire to be a part on vampirism or not.I canot make you a part of anything nor I can undo it. Only one itself can. So yes vampirism is a choice and as well is everything else.I do believe I canot be more clearly than that.

see but you cant hold everyone to your standards because not everyone is you. and to expect them to is obsurd. i am not the only one that thinks this way cause i am not the only one that has felt this way.. to say its wrong cause we dont control all asspects of our life is unfair and unjust

This is really wierd to say since I have been sayng everytime that everyone has a choice and what I get from this is that I am not giving you a choice rather everyone most accept what i say and that cannot be for I am favoring the fact that everything is a choice.

BTW guys dont take everything so insulting, what I am commenting is on what I believe and how in fact things are, yet if anyone rather likes to keep with what they think again is their own choice, just like the main question on vampirism.

what i said or better implied is that mother nature can control everyone but no one can control mother nature i did not conridict myself at all you have no control over what mother nature has in store for you

but you can bend whatever mother nature gives you to your benefit now can you. Resulting in that no matter what mother nature gives you you can make a choice to either accept it or not and even accepting it or not you can then make other choices on how to make better use of it or not.Really this is going to be my last post here because no matter what anyone says it will keep coming to the same street end, no matter what life gives you you have a choice, and by the looks of it if you think you do not have a choice it would be then obligated and even on this level you still have a choice to be ablogated or not resulting in that you either accept it and go on with no regrets or you simple end it all.So see how you even on that level have a choice to things. The main question I believe has been asnwered; vampirism;a choice or not

Maybe this has to do with a deeper meaning of what you believe in?
Fate or Destiny

Fate and destiny to me are the same, fate would be rather explains as something that will happend in the end and cannot be choosed nor changed, and desteny would be a path that is not chosen by you rather it is chosen for you.So I do not believe in niether of te two.

Little personal info; guys all that I have said is true and more than that dont think I am a far from you for everything I have said I must apply it to myself. I have lived a life fearing to make a choice now I regret not making a choice for myself. ;)

in reality more of a choice.. but I think we are drawn to it for some reason

firebender:re:what I am commenting is on what I believe and how in fact things are.


On your continual, and rather monotonous, point.
Your point of view is that everything in life is a choice? Yes?
If so, if you get shot, this, is a choice(I realise that I’m taking this to a “extreme” and ,also, that I’m using your statement in its more literal sense) then(obviously some one,ie:the person that dose “the shooting)?
HOWEVER, you did not make this choice. This means that you can’t choose everything in your life.
Now, if you take this rather extreme scenario (by this I mean the principal that is contained within) and apply it to this thread. Some people for many different reasons feel they have no choice (be that because of medical condition, fetish or any variation on the subject that you wish to add to the list).Some feel they do.
I can only speak for my self though.
From my perspective though, I believe that you can’t choose what you like.
For example if you “fancy” someone do you make a choice to be attracted to them? No something inside you dictates that you feel that attraction (for one reason or another). I mean would you wake up on day and make a choice to like something you find disgusting? I think not, because you find it disgusting. That is dictated by your life experience and your personal taste (really is taste not an instinctual thing?).
Now as I said I my other posts, I do not (on any level) consider that I’m a vampire, just that my tastes could be/or are considered by general definition or opinion of a vampire nature.
As for my self I have a bloodletting fetish. I did not choose that said fetish should have its, obvious, affects on me. Neither would I claim that I need this to survive.
This is just a part of me. Yes I do choose to embrace this part of myself, and why not?
I MAKE A CHOICE to accept this about myself.
Again you said: what I am commenting is on what I believe and how in fact things are.
This is how thing are in YOUR opinion, I respect that, this is not though “how in fact things are” for everyone. To make such a statement is to imply that your point of view is the correct one.
There is no “correct” in this subject, just points of view.
Each person who has posted on this thread will have their own, and equally “correct” and justified, response (no exceptions).

To all I hope that this is coherent and I have not lost my point.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
This is my last post on this thread.
Ultimately It is both.

Frail, i defiantly agree with you.
I mean, if you get cancer, did you choose to? I dont think many would choose that upon themselves. So, ultimately, I dont believe everything is a choice, altough, alot is.
I guess it all depends on your point of view of what vampirism is, some believe its a lifestyle, some believe its a condition.

Most things are about the choices we make in life. Even cancer. What you choose to put in your body, what you choose to expose yourself to, etc....all done by the choices we make.
Not saying that is true for all, but one has to analyze it throughly.

i'm with Cadamia

two thing I noticed, one the shotting part and cancer;
If someone came to you with a shotgun adn try to shoot you, your right is not your choice he is going to shoot you BUT its your choice if your going to let him or her shoot you or not. If it was me on the moment well it might be only me but I would rather give him or her a nice and hard fight before he can even try to kill me.
Cancer, heres a question on cancer, how do you get cancer? whats is that things that gives you this simtoms? If you figure that out then its a choice either you want to let it get you or not, as far as I know people do know how one can get cancer mostly y radiation, and others things if one knows that radiation gives cancer then its understandable that if you get it its because you chose to have it. And I can keep coming with everyhting you can try to come up with and keep answering the same thing you may have not the choice in what others do because other chooses their acts but you can defenetly choose yours and how you meet them, or recieve them.

Whilst this is completely off topic and I know it is Firebender......choosing Cancer?....

I've read your posts and you don't seem to try to understand what others are saying and that is your choice..... to say what you did re cancer, well, words nearly fail me to be honest.

If it were known what gives people cancer there would be great big books all over the place telling us how not to get it, then we would have a choice as to whether we did or not.

Some causes of cancer are suspected, but certainly not known for definite ~ you only have to hear the stories of people who have never smoked or worked with radiation who end up getting it, and then the ones who smoked 100 a day and died getting run over by a bus.......

To be honest whilst I have been sitting here getting irritated slightly by some of the posts they are after all other opinions and I am not going to beat myself up trying to prove what I believe to be true, makes for interesting debate to a degree, but on the cancer issue I'm sorry but I think for many sufferers and those who know of them your comment was ill advised.

Ok, the cancer issue is completely off-topic but yes, one I too am going to address.

My dear friend died after battling leukemia for 3 years. One of the fittest people I knew, she didn't drink to excess, didn't smoke at all and lifted weights regularly. Please tell me what choice she made in her life so that it ended by her suffocating after they removed her respirator?

As for vampyrism being a choice, yes it is. One chooses to embrace themselves fully or they choose to hide what they do not understand or even fear.

Ok so if you are saying that if you know radiation give you cancer and you were around it and exposed enough to develop cancer, its your fault?

Ok dude tell that to all those poor people who lived near chernobyle. A lot of them were never aware of the potential dangers, hell a lot of people nowhere near it got cancers and other health problems when the reactor melted down and they were exposed to the resulting radiations.

You are going to tell me that that is their choice?

What about that little child who is around second hand smoke and gets cancer as a result had a choice and chose to let that happen? Or the child who just one day developes a form of cancer due to genetics or enviromental conditions they had no knowledge of or control over?

Sorry I don't buy it.

I can keep at this eternally, I would still come to the same answer and the only reason so many people are trying to win this conversation over is because they just want to be stuborn and do not want to admit that the answer to te main question is that yes everyone or rather vampirism is a choice, I have noticed rather late that some have mixed my comment with the addiction part. Addiction is not a choice, since to be an addiction most be when someone do not know that is addicted to it. What I now see its that most of you what you want to let know is that vampirism regardless of been a choice or not is more of an addiction. Addiction is not a choice it is noticed rather late and when it is noticed most times its rather late and cannot come out of. Now if we all admit this then we all might see the great diference between what you guys are saying which is an addiction been not a choice and what I am saying vampirism is a choice.

vampirism is a choice if u are not born into it. if u are human, u must be embraced to become a vampyre. like i was. i drank blood wine with my lords blood in it. and had energy transfers. i do have to feed to live. there are many advantages as well as disadvanages to being vampyre. so make ur choice wisely.

I like it how people try using reverse psicology and only confuse themself. If you did not get my comment dont try harder to. BTW want to ask why are all of you trying to change the subject?Vampirism is it a choice or not?I can keep chatting with you guys about the other subject yet it would not fit on this thread to beging with, still what I like a lot about human mind is that it will rather die before admiting something. Ill give you a question which has already been given, if someone choice is to kill you or shoot you, would you stand idiotically and think since its not my choice then I will die? I mean if is not a choice then I want to go toward every single one of you and try to shoot you, I bet you would choose to live before I trigger the gun.About cancer I think I did open a bit my mouth to big for it will bring even more conversation which I have plenty of it.

I find your analogy about getting shot to death rather perplexing since it has nothing to do with the thread topic. Trying to connect vampirism with the desire to preserve one's life is more than a stretch. It is disjointed and shows how much you desire to prove your point.

If I were trying reverse psychology on you I would succeed so mute point.

And no I havent missed what you were saying rather thought you had missed what I was saying to behonest. And no I do not think vampirism is a choice and I have explained why, as infinitum it seems,

If someone were foolish enough to stand in front of me with a gun I would not choose to let them shoot me......if they sneaked up on me I wouldn't have a choice would I so that point is irrelevant.

And you brought up the cancer comment and that was addressed.

Keep the post to the main forum. Is it a choice or not. why or why not? Everysingle one have failed to make a valid responds as why its not a choice. Evertime I hear one I can easily take the same line and say it is a choice, now do not get me wrong for I fear that most of you have already thinking I do not read nor accept commenst on this thread or type of line. I do like the comments but they do not have a solid believe, in other words no one can back their responds saying its not a choice. You say its not a choice because you are mindly drawend to it and things of the sort. I think this is right because the mind can make you do things you never wanted to do.Vampirism many say its not a choice because either someone brought you to it or your mind just took over and now ..your just in it and cant come out, why cant you? whos stopping you from doing something you do not want? When something is not our own choice a good 90% of it non like it nor which to be part of it. In other words you are just letting me know that when you say you have no choice in it, you just wish terrebly to get out of it. Why dont you simply go away from it? Why dont you biuld some guts and stand for what you believe in adn whant for your life? If many of you would like to go out to the world the real world and show your vapire likings, whos stopping you from doing them? Its all up to each and one of you to decide how you choose to use your time and life.There is only one thing you cannot choose and its been born, because ..simply you have to be alive to have a .. life or rather be here.

*smiles and scratches head* sorry my computer took long and came after you guys answered.

The need to feed is as strong as the need to eat meat and vegetables......would you choose to stop eating then just because your mind was drawing you to it?

I actually enjoy what I am and the way I can gain extra energy thank you. What I do in regard to the psy feed is something that is as natural to me as drinking and eating so if thats being weak willed well then so is everyone who succumbs to the urge to eat and drink.

So to say build some guts and walk away ... I am not vampyric because I fear it or enjoy it, I simply am......the fact I love doing what I do and find the gifts I have enhance my life way more than most is a bonus I give thanks for every day....but no I cannot walk away, again to reiterate, not becasue I chose to be or would choose not to be........it just is, therefore there is no choice.

I think you got the meaning rather mixed for I do not wish nor desire to make or state a point, if I were to state a point then you would not have a choice in te matter now would you? I am simple favoring the fact that thing in life are a choice and whatever is given to you, one has the power to choose what to do with that which has been given. About the shot and stuff it was brought up so I mearly used it over as an example, do not wish to nor desire to make it as desperatly which is waht some have tried, to make their view point be seen. I do not care if my view point is seen or not because os my choice not to care. Yet what I know is, I know hwen to have a rather interesting conversation or dispute and when like so many think or take it so personally that think everything said is agianst their way of thinking. If you really think is not a choice then thats your choice to believe such ways, after all you as well as me we all live in a free of speech world, right.If not then we would have no choice on any matter, and our life would not be our but someone elses to be run or govern.

lol, well I owuld have the choice to disagree with your point wouldn't I?

And like I said so many posts earlier your opinion is your own....but of course as one who can answer the topic in the thread as being psi vampyric I would obviously answer anyone who was making reference to something they had stated already that they had no practical knowledge of.

I am not saying I speak for everyone, I speak for myself and my experience, as is my choice......

*grins at you*

That is my total point, if you desire to do something, do it. Who stops you from it. But do not try talking others on the idea is not a choice. Juts like eating " " so called vampires which is not my business to know if they are real or not, have the urge to feed or drink blood or w/e. I incourage the idea that yes it comes to a point that we have been i side this world for so long that it may seem as not of our choice. And just to drop this very idiotically from my side, I can stop eating if I choose to, for I already have done it.

lol

and then chose to start again else you would now be dead no doubt........

and this will be my last love cos really I think we're going around a circle I need a map for now.......

I understand very much everyone including myself speak only for one itself. Do not get offended if I have seem to be rough on everyone.I agree with many here on somewhat of their viewpoints yet as long as I have maid this and even to myself it may seem a bit doll and long ass thread, I mearlly want to see how strong is their own beliefs. If you state somethign I was alwasy told you either back it up or do not say anythign to beging with, so all this is to see how strong you believe in your own way of thinking.Really sorry to many of you if I came a bit flat and growshy.

ive already said why i cant if you would bother to stop a sec and listen to others. you should step outside your little world and get a dose of reality.

if you cant understand something then you shouldnt say anything about it. your logic sounds like confused and grasping teenager who has no friends.

i am not goin to bother to waste anymore of my time arguin with you limited and fragile beliefs. it is weak and ill thought to shoot down others beliefs and feelings (and yes i am to you but im fed up with your attitude) so i suggest that this whole topic be dropped before anyone gets pissed off

Yea is going to be my last one as well I think I need a map just like you I was baout to start all over again -_- omg that would have been really bad :P

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