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I have been wiccan for a long time now. I want to know diffrent veiws on WitchCraft. Most people who I talk to say that witchcraft is evil. I beg to differ......do you?




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It all depends how you use it.That's what makes the difference.



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I believe that witchcraft is a dark power. That's about it. Doesn't neseccarly make you evil. Just someone that has a dark power. With white magic is a different point of view.



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of course its not



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Witchcraft is like anything else.It has both good and evil sides to it



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Its all about how you go about it. But personaly I don't find it evil. I havn't looked into it much but it seems cool.



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I practiced withcraft and to do anything evil wouldn't even come into my mind and btw it was dark withcraft!



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Really it all depends on how it is used... as ther are spell that can help and harm.... I mean if you could save a life via a spell or potion that you conjored up, how could that bee seen as evil.... its all in the context that its used



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Then why is that most......."normal".....people think that it has every thing to do with the devil? Even though if your wiccan you don't believe in heaven nor hell.



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Simple answer:

People will be people.

Humanity fears theu nknown.

Witchcraft has the word withc in it and everyone knows what it used to happene to witches in the past.

You are not the unique one.

When my parents found out they anted to kick me out of house cause of this -_- and I don't tell everyone what I used to do cause I know their reactions.

Some people understand and accept others choose to remain ignorant.



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those who call themselves normal are basically brainwashed by their religion and therefore say its "evil" .......but to be quite frank with you....if u feel its not evil then to hell with everyone else!



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Brava bloosysue..no wonder why she's from my country!lol!

Do whatever is right for you not of what others think!

People will always get in your way...wheter it's religious practice or anything else.



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mainly the Christain and other religious theologies, where as its pretty much religion and not politics that run this world and primarily on a christian thought process, anything non christian or just "pagan" to them is evil, as they have no real teaching from "god" other then to not practice works of magic stated in the bible itself



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No act is evil. Evil is a state of mind, a matter of intent. The context in which an act is done.



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I don't see how my reilgion is evil yet in the burning time the pope pretty much add to the bible and said thou shall not suffer a witch to live.......but in the ten commandments they say thou shall not kill.........



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but I agree with you all. Your right! they can go take a long walk off a short bridge!



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Believe what you want. An old saying.



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It's not the religion that makes the person,it's the person how makes the religion.

Actually the intention of wicca is not evil but it also depends on the wiccan.

If you feel that your religion is not evil and you want to practice it,why bothering what other people say?



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"Then why is that most......."normal".....people think that it has every thing to do with the devil? Even though if your wiccan you don't believe in heaven nor hell."

Society cant handle taking responcibility for its downfalls so it finds someone else to blame...

Like blaming goths for mindless murders for the way we dress.

Religion needs to find someone to blame for their failings and to do this they targeted paganism or any other sub religion/culture linked to it



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It comes down to the old Church belief that women with 'any' real spiritual power are BAD.

When women were getting too close to the church in terms of power, and it was decided that 'Men of the cloth' could not marry, the Pope of the time decreed that if they did not divorce their wives, their wives would be sold into slavery.

Mystics, women who were in fact Christian and practicers of mystisim both, were hunted down and killed just as readily as those accused of practicing witchcraft.



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Witchcraft is evil if you are doing it to be evil. Everything has a motivational perspective.



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have you ever read the bible in its entirety? you not gonna find one part in it thats not contradicted by another... its no wonder they dont really know true good and evil



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F**K YES! Thank you! now if I could only make the people who f**k with me evey realize that!



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I see nothing 'evil' about the uses of energy bending techniques..which is all witchcraft at base as a practice. Evil is relative to the accuser..or anything you find personally taboo.

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If you used a spoon to dig out someone's eye, would it make the spoon evil? Of course not, it's the person using it...



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Each individual takes something and does with it what they want. If you use what you have for evil then you are evil, if you use it for good then you are good. Anyone can say something is evil and most times they say it because they have not taken the time to look at it and know it. Assumption is a killer for most things.

I do not believe that Witchcraft is evil, nore more so then I belive that Chrisitanity is evil, or Hinduism, or any other religion or philisophical preference.



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I believe witchcraft is thought to be evil. I don't know how many times I have been yelled at by strangers that I worship the devil. Of course they are not educated enought o know the real truth so I stopped defending it. It can be both. What gives witchcraft its bad name (I am not meaning this in the wrong way) is some of the teenagers want to scare thier parents and society and take it far beyond its realm. Poeple see this and think that all wiccan's are evil. I have even has someone say that what wiccan reminds them of is the kids in school that scare the bleep out of you. But it is all in what you believe. But like any religion it has many different realms. By most Vampirism is taken thewrong way also.



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Not only Wiccans practice witchcraft, and the modern disliking for witchcraft in general is the responsibility of early Abrahamic faiths..not a few teenagers.

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i think it can be good or it can be evil....depends on where you take it. :D



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wiccans are not supposed to use magick for evil due to the wiccan rede. But not only wiccans practice magick aswas said earlier. Most pagans prefer to use magick strictly for positive outcomes not to hurt others but some path can be construed as evil. But I dont believe that magick is truly black or white because nothing in life is one way or the other.



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Course not only wiccans.

The term witch is not only used for wiccans but for anyone who practices any type of witchcraft!

People associate it with wicca cause seams that the most common Pagan religion.

Like it was said earlier people want always to blame someone.

Think is how can you define something as evil if you've never practiced it yourself?



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we study/practice witchcraft.. and we see no evil in what we do .. it is the people who's religon is not there own that calles us "evil"... we have been asked all the time "why do you worship the devil"..
as to witch we answer... "at what time did i ever say i did".. dont worry bout what other people think.. there are a lot who dont like it.. but the people who are of the same likeness as you, you will never find a better person, because they dont pass judgement..



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All religions have some sort of negative repution,anything that has to do with withcraft is more due to I'll repeat myself,what happened in the past.



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So what you guys (and girls) are telling me is that its not the religion its the people who practice it. And yes I do understand that most people who "say" they practice really have no clue. Just the other day a girl told me I didn't look wiccan. But its not a fashion trend its a reilgion.



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Of course!

Lol at you don't look to...then what should you do a tattoo on your forehead?

Lol yes it's your religion what counts do whhatever you feel right.



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I agree that it depends on how you use witchcraft, it can be used for good or evil purposes. I have been a practising Wiccan for 5 years and i personally believe in the Wiccan Rede - what you do unto others will be returned to you threefold. I like to use it for good although i have been tempted lol. The Craft itself isnt evil, it depends on the intentions of the person using it.



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The craft is only evil if the user is evil and can be used for good as well It depends on the person weilding the spell ...



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i think that witchcraft is nor good or bad



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It's only evil if you make it that way. Just like words, if you mean them in an evil way, then yeah they are evil but if you don't then they don't have to be that way...



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It all depends on what type of Wiccan is being praticed, or how the rituals and ceramonies are being used.

So all in all, it all depends. Magic and faith, for the most part is more of a neutral aspect of life. Its only the people who pratice it or use magic that turn the faith and magic into something else.

Like that of being apart of the Golden Dawn, I have learned minor rituals and ideals of order. Within it we are not to pratice Black Magic, which brings harm to others, to ourselves and even summon things not supposed to be summon. Doing so can cause serious repercutions to ourselves and those about us.

Not to mention if can shorten our life spans and inpede in our path to trancendency.

So What style do you Pratice? Your own style, Traditional English Wiccan, Thelemic?

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I agree with mearhinas and a few of the others- witchcarft is just like anything else in this world and life- it has it's good sides and it's bad sides, and even if in theory wicca in and of itslef is neither one or the other, how a person uses it determines it's path-and unfortunately the evil that men do more often than not tends to be what the majority of people not only see but are drawn to, for better or worse



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l would have to agree with deathnitegrl and alot of things she has to say.

Like most things you always have a good and bad side it just depends how u use it, but people fear what they dont know, and society hasnt helped much in making most people believe that witchcraft is eveil .. l mean geez we use to burn and make innocent people driown!



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Can you practice black magick with out harm coming to you? Most people I talk to practice black magick..... but wouldn't it come back on you three fold?



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In Gardenarian..I'm fairly certain the Three Fold Law actually only applies to Wiccans.

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Black Magic will always come back to you at one point or another. Someone who believes they can control what they summon or invoke is stupid if they try to use it to harm or try to summon something not really inclinded to listen.

Like I said, it degrades the soul of the person who practices, it also puts all those around them in danger.

As for the three fold laws, I believe MRD is right and it only applies to the practices and mindsets of those that follow the wiccan traditions.

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Good topic.
WitchCraft or Magic(k) is neither good nor evil. It is neither light or dark. Why? Simple. Magic comes from Nature. Any magic user can tell you that. Nature is neither good nor evil, light nor dark.
The only difference is in the Heart of the caster. If your intent is good.....then the spell is to do good things. If your intent is to harm, then your spell is for that purpose. But, the spell itself is not evil. It is the intent that determains what a spell does or does not do. And the intent comes from the heart.



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I have some information about magic that I will probably post tomorrow.

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i dont think it evil or good
you can use it to do both
i know someone who dabbles in in black/dark portion of it but there must be people who do the white magic portion of it also



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oh and one more thing.....a wiccan believe is......do what you will as long as it harms none.
Wiccans believe strongly in that because of the 3 fold "law" in their belief. Anything cast out returns 3 fold. Wiccan's are generally peace loving people and harm nothing. Almost like monks believe to respect all living things. Same difference!



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There are plenty of people who do both.

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it is not evil...that would be like calling Vampireium Evil....It just not true.



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yes I know what your talking about! I think its "an harm to none do as ye will".....I just remembered that!.....wow I need to read my Wiccan Bible more!



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Theres an actual Bible?

- Sin



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Damn........never mind that last comment.

I got a book at the library called "Witches Craft. A multidenominational Wiccan Bible" By: Bruce K. Wilborn



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Not sure how a bible was made, there are far different veiws from each person how it came about.

Yet, thats cool someone got some information pulled together in order to compose something of sorts.

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bump?........ yeah its kool it shows diffrent traditions I guess you would say.... theres Gardnerian Wicca, Italian Wicca (which is the one I'm most fond of), Saxon Wicca, and West Country Wicca, they're not all so much diffrent from each other.



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the bump was to try and keep this thread near the top of the list so it doesn't get buried.

As for the book thats good to hear. I know my wife studies Thelemic. Which was made by Aliester Crowly.

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I believe that it is what you make it to be. Its what you want it to be.



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..............It has all ........most of the deities.....theres Celtic, Welsh, Greek, Italian, Gual, Irish, Anglo-Saxon, Roman. It's very interesting!



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Sounds like it. It must be a none traditional Wiccan, as in the Celtic Wiccan. Sounds more like a world Celtic ideal.

Which is nice, gives more options and flexibility.

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Yeah I guess so........



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Sorry that was supposed to be World Wiccan Ideals. Not World Celtic. Sorry getting tired, been a long night at work.

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it depends on how you use it really i think, i'm also a wiccan, magick is neither black nor white, we all have 'another' side to us, (well i do anyway lol) but personally i don't think witchcraft is evil, as i said it's how you use it.



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depends on if its white black or chaos



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I've heard of Chaos magic, but have no real idea behind what the difference of Chaos Magic is to the natural magic of the world.

If anything Magic is a natural energy which the world and all people have a connection to. When invocked through rituals and power words, the natural energy forms into subtle influences which then are used to employ the magical workings. Which there fore become the means to our ritual work and magical aspects in trying to get things to work in a positive aspect.

Yet, if this swell of living energy is pushed into a negative aspect, which goes against the very aspect of living energy, as in its made to do harm, then the living energy is twisted and made unstable. There for causing issues to those employing the powers and swells and a negative zone in the areas the magic is practiced at.

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If anyone follows Wicca and needs to ask if witchcraft is evil, I need to raise an eyebrow.

Witch was considered evil because of either fear (for what ever reason) or because they owned land and Mum Church wanted it.

The only evil anything, is your intent!



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i don't see witchcraft as being evil. being a wiccan is also not evil. i've studied both. and i just don't think they are. people say they are because it's something different from what they believe. i got to a catholic school. and just a few weeks ago my theology teacher was talking about how children from broken homes fall into the dark arts. lets just say the entire class unleashed on him, he also doesn't believe in dinosaures because they aren't in the bible, and harry potter is corrupting 5 year olds. but that is all beyond my point. some people think being catholic is evil. it's all how you look at that person and how they take their beliefs.



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believe what you want..... someone will always have a different opinion than you.



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I personally dont think Witch craft is evil but that is just my opinion.



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NOT EVIL why would anyone think it is? there's no percusion of anybody hatred or suffering of anybody



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evil is a point of view, what i consider to be good may be evil to you....



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I believe witchcraft is based around good and evil as a whole. You couldnt place under one status...
Not unless you focus on a certain side of it, its just how you use it i guess...



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Okay, here is what I know. According to Jane Rosemont, author of "The Witch Book: The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft, Wicca, and Neo-paganism", Witchcraft has been around for thousands of years. It was here before Christain times, and was accepted. But then, two thousand years after Chrisitanity started, Wiccans started to be attacked because the new chirch had make it look like it was Evil.
"At this time, then, Witchcraft came to be lumped together with Satanism (actually a byproduct of Chrstanity), black magic, and all things negative, in as attempt to do away with them."

So if you look at it, we were here first. So everyone can go fuck themselfs. :-D

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the powers are neutral, not black or white..just neutral



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It depends on who is using the witchcraft, what is is being used for, and HOW the person is using it. Some can be evil...some aren't. It just all depends...



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Yes and no... People can take witchcraft to an evil place. It is more of the intent of the witch that makes it evil or not. If you cast a love spell to bring you the love of your life.. That is not evil but if you cast a love spell on someone changing their free will then you have caused harm or used your powers with evil intent.



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As most of you have said Witchcraft is double sided there is both good and bad, light and dark. And yes it all really does have to do with what you do with that magick. But what I have not seen mentioned is that One; there is a 3-fold rule, whatever magick you work will come back on you. And Two, There is a line in the rede the states Harm none do what you will, if your magick is dark or the deity that you worship is dark that does not mean you are evil, but if you are working your magick to harm then you are doing the job of evil. Magick is basically color blind it only does what you make it do, it is more or less a tool, you can set and work magick all day long and do spells to get things for yourself but if you don’t get up off your but and do something, then your magick will not work. It is all in the eye of the beholder. And yes I do use magick I have been a practicing Wiccan for over 12yrs. And started learning about witchcraft and Wiccan magick and other types long before that. Witchcraft its self is not evil, Its what you do with it that determines what it is. If you’re evil then perhaps so is your witchy way, and that mad bad mojo will come back on you.



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8years this past Winter. Solitary, ecclectic, focus on Ishtar and The Morrigan, Fae.

Harm none and do what thou wilt-- and in like, 3 times what ye sew, so shall ye reap.



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I think it's all good for people who it's for so those whom are not into it then they need to be not ignorant and atleast leave those to their beliefs so. i don't mind it at all



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i don't think thats is any more evil than any other religion, every religion has evil in it due to the fact thats there will all ways be some one to make i that way.
To put it simple no



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My experiences with witcraft are that its not a matter of good or evil, that just depend on the person performing the ceremony, rite, or incantation....everything has a good and bad side to it, witchcraft is like nature...it has good and bad. demons and its "angels", its a matter of what the purpose of the majik is and the hearts desire of the person performing it.



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In witchcraft their is no absolute good, because you are tampering with the elements, a order. But your base for doingit is what defines it as good or evil. If you are harboring an evil intent when you are practicing, then I believe you are practicing "negative"or "evil" magick. But you are trying to change/bring/etc for a good intent, then by no means is it "evil".
:] To each their own.



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It is my faith. like all faiths there are good and bad .people are evil not witchs or any other faith but whats in a persons heart that is evil or not



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witchcraft is not eveil nor is it white or black...it is the person that pratices the craft that makes it good or bad..
if you use it to hurt and manipulate, then it will be black and evil...or vice versa



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The craft is not good nor bad it is how the person who uses it that makes it so. I f you use it for evil things then you are evil not the magick, same goes for using it for good. Mind you the same goes for anything you send out bad thoughts or intentions will always come back, such is the law of equals.



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It all depends on how you use it. I myself pratice White Magic but know of others that do Black.



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january ember...you mention the rules of the rede....the problem with this is those rules only constrain wiccans....
and this thread was on witchcraft in general principal....
wicca is but one part of a greater whole world of occult practices,
witchcraft is simply a tool....the white/dark
or good evil of it exists only in the intentions of the person using it....
most people believe it to be evil because about the last few hundred years the catholic/christian churches were in charge of historical lore and teaching.....there were times when the only place to get educated was by the church....so modern society still holds to what it knows as history....false as it may be....
it take time to change peoples perceptions...the kind of time that I doubt perceptions will be much better by the time I die of old age....



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I agree with every one else, Witchcraft is not evil or good. I is how it is used. Example: if you cast a spell on me to make me win the lottery........that would be good not evil.



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i was born full blood witch and depending on how you use it is what makes you evil or not



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I must admit that I skimmed most of this but found enough to post on.
Magick is never both fully but there are some spells that are fully white or dark.

Chaos magicks is my main ordeal however I do combine other energies and sources in my castings.



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witchcraft is not meant to be evil but im sure sumtimes it can hurt people



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Only when performed for purely selfish reasons.

Least in the people I've talked with.



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I am a natural witch and practice on my own, I dont belive witch craft of any kind is evil it is how u use it and how u send the energy out. All craft is dark, but not evil, it is only what u make it



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I believe that it is not witchcraft that dark or evil.......it is what is in the heart and soul of the caster that makes it dark or evil...........If the caster has a heart and soul that is light and good then the magick is light and good......but if the caster has a dark and evil heart and soul then the magick is dark and evil.......that is my belief



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I am wiccan as well and have recently been critisized for my non-belief in god...I don't understand what gives someon the right to judge me when they don't even know me, but on here i hope this never occurs for if it does and you decide that I am not a good or decent person because I am aethiest then i will not tolerate you.



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It depends on how you use it!



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i've been a wiccan for sometime now.. the way i see it is whichcraft is all in the pratictioner, it all depends on how you use your magic.. when i use my magic i use both white and black magic, depending on the situation at hand, but there are always those people who look at it like it's the devils work and think that it is evil no matter which type of magic you practice



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the craft it self is not anything it is a tool. as to it being good or evil it is up to the user. thats about the easyest way to say it



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This is a repeat of what everyone else has said I'm sure. Withcraft is just like anything else. It's up to the practioner. It's just like people in general. Some are bad and some aren't. It's just that person's choice. Anything you here about witchcraft being evil from most people is merely because they are naive. The prejudice began in the Dark Ages, and that's something that's hard to overcome, even centuries later.



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I guess I'd have to agree with most of what everyone is saying. It really depends on how you look at it, and the reason for it.



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I am pagan and I would have to say that witchcraft is not evil. Some may wish to take it to an extreme and make it that way. But for all intents and purposes it is not an evil thing.



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on the note of the 3 fold law...yes it is a belife in the wiccan faith..but many other faiths believe that you will reep what you sow..

its called karma...



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I am a Witch, my religion is Wiccan..There is not "evil" witchcraft..Just evil ppl..Using the name /title of Witches/Witchcraft to be stupid and hellooo we aren't in the dark ages anymore..People need to do more research and realize what exactly a Witch is..



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There has to be a balance..Anyone that has no knowledge of the craft..don't comment..unless you know and have done research don't...
It irritates me that so many are eager to jump on the band wagon..It's not the art..that is "dark'..its PEOPLE



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With something as broad as witchcraft there are a lot of different factors determining if it is "evil" or not.

One being who's judging it. A Christian Fundamentalist is going to say it's evil and a work of Satan, whereas a Buhddist will not think so.

The type of witchcraft also plays a part. Something that would cause harm to another could be considered evil.

It's really a tough question to get a straight answer from.



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Good or Evil...as several have stated above...its dependant on how you use it



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Witchcraft itself is neutral like nature itself. Good and evil are just opinions people have to describe what they think of an event or situation.



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Again, I think it's a matter of perspective and the individual's motivations. Not being a wiccan, but knowing quite a few, my experience is that they are as diverse as about any other group. Everyone is different. Each with their own motivations.



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As most people have already stated...it depends on the motivation. For example:

There is a spell that seperates people in a relationship. If the spell is used to end feelings between people in a bad relationship or stop feelings from an obsessed person then the spell has been used for good.
However if the spell is used to end a relationship for personal gain the it is used for "evil" purposes.



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It depends on how you chose to use it. Religion is not evil, people are. Many people who say that witchcraft is evil are simply ignorant. They do not understand it, and only believe what they want to hear.



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Definately depends on how you use it.

I prefer to think of it as a natural thing though ...somewhat neutral.



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look bottom line is: if it feels good to you then its good, if it feels bad then its bad.....its up to the person not the religion whether they want to be bad or good......dont forget for examples christians have killed jesus, and non believers and have also killed anyone who made them afraid, like witches (fortune tellers, people who saw things, etc...) ...just cos they made they were out of the norm, they believed it was the devil's work so they had to end the life.
people like me and deathnitegirl have to always hide what we believe in and do especially in our country.....its quite a closed minded society... its getting better but its still a questionable subject.

what i firmly believe in though is that when u think about it, psychic powers, all religions, and The All/ God or whatever u might call Him/Her.....they all work hand in hand!

I mean look at all the religions: they have an all powerful God/Goddess, they all have patron saints/gods/godesses, they all use the 5 elements one way or another, fire, water, air, earth, spirit.

after all, pagan religion was the one dominating the world really, christianity for example has adopted and adapted many a ritual, holiday, etc from pagan culture and religion!

thats all i have to say for now.



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I always belived that there were white and dark witch's , but at the end of the day they both turn to nature so the can't be all bad tc



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I agree it depends on how whoever is using it.



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It depends on the person using it. I am a witch, but I am not wiccan. I am a natural witch. Alot of people do not believe in such a thing but I can assure you, I was born the way I am. Back to the actual question, being wiccan one should be familiar with the wiccan rede. For those who don't know it. I will post "Wiccan Rede"

Bide by the Wiccan Laws ye must, in perfect love and perfect trust. Live and let live, fairly take and fairly give. Cast the circle thrice about, to keep all evil spirits out. To bind the spell ever time, let it be spake in rhyme. Soft of the eye and light of the touch, speak ye little and listen much. Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches Rune. Widdershins go by the waxing moon, chanting out the baneful rune. When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her times two. When the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.
Heed ye north winds mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail. When the wind comes from the south, love will kiss thee on the mouth. When the wind blows from the west, departed souls will have no rest. When the wind blows from the east, expect the new and set the feast.
Nine woods in the cauldron go, buen them fast and burn them slow. Elder be ye Lady's tree, burn it not ot cursed you'll be. When the whell begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn. When the wheel has turned to Yule, light the log, the Horned One rules. Head ye flower, bush and treem by the lady Blessed Be. Where the ripping waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.
When ye have a true need, hearken not to others greed. With a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend. Merry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.



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CuRsEdToDaRkNeSs
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(My computer decided it wanted to post that before I was finished.)

Mind the threefold law you should three times badn and three times good. When misfortune is enew wear the blie star on thy brow. True in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee. Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye haem none, do what ye will.


Okay although it was split into two posts. That is the Wiccan Rede. No witchcraft is not evil, nor do I personally find it dark. Saying it is dark is basically the same thing as saying that what the indians believed was dark. The whole religion is based on nature, and when most think spells they think..... bubble bubble toil and trouble, eye of newt, tongue of frog. That is not what it is. I am not going to elaborate any further on this because I could go on for days and I would. If there is anyone that is interested in my thoughts on the subject feel free to message me. I will gladly strike up a conversation with you.



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13:18:28 Feb 16 2006
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ok...well it really depends on the person that is using it...its neither good nor evil.



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as a wiccan i must say that witchcraft is neither evil nor good. it is how you use it and for what purpose. that is why there is a threefold rule.



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I am wiccan also and with any religion there is the option for the good/bad sides or practices. Is witchcraft evil? Well it depends on what kind of witchcraft you are practicing. Noone can answer that question but you. There is white witchcraft and black witchcraft. If you are using the craft to do harmful things to others then yes it is evil.



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A true witch will not look at black or white, good or evil. We tend to stay neutral. More towards the grey. We are neither good nor bad. Everything done is for a purpose. whether to gain from it, learn from it, or teach it.



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I wanted to add to what Mrd said about the 3 fold law.. It was not originated by wiccans but is an ancient law by the Hammurabi of Babylon in 1795-1750 BC. he was a king who established a list of laws dominant for babylon. The 3 fold law was printed on a black stone monument which was later found in 1901 in the persian mountains not in babylon.. which means it was moved. I found this through some of my theoligcal research a while back. Hope that helps.



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17:05:18 Feb 16 2006
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EVIL OR NOT!!! Well i had a friend who once practised a form of WitchCraft! Untill he became scared of the things he was doing! He wasnt evil! And he did help me with a problem as well! so i say it depends on the user and the way they use it!!!



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17:13:33 Feb 16 2006
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It can be either. It depends on the person.



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17:15:59 Feb 16 2006
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depends on the practitioner...



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18:28:36 Feb 16 2006
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definately not...it isnt the crfaft thats evil its the way people abuse it to do evil...



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