There have been many portrayals of the Devil. Which do you believe or find most interesting. There was one on the second season of the new Doctor Who series. They discovered that Satan was a being which lived before time began. It was even older than the Time Lords. It was a being of nearly unlimited power and evil. In order to capture him a great army separated his mind from his body and left him alone deep inside a distant planet circling a black whole. His mind escaped when a team came to drill but it's giant, monstrous body remained restrained. After all the things he had seen in his many lifetimes, the Doctor didn't want to acknowledge the possibility of his existence... but there he was. Pretty cool, huh?
Here is their Satan: www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/s2_08-09gallery/1024/the_beast.jpg
by demonology that almost sounds more like leviathan than satan, he was the original resident of hell, before god cast down the lightbringer, and placed him in charge of the damned
Just a made up character in a made up book...there is evil in the world...but not led by some so called fallen angel....
From everything that i have heard and read... The part of it from Dr Who was FUNNY.
And anything else about the devil... is a load of CRAP! He was a fallen angel, the most beautiful, and then he is portrayed as a monster.... makes ya wonder... dont it.
LoL if you believe that Lucifer is the devil, you're wrong, if you believe that there's a force that existed with the good before the universe was created, you're right, but to that there is no one devil, if you study demonology and angelology, the so called devil was made up for a source of power for the church for christians, but also in every culture throughout time there was a so called evil entity. Not all are the same though, yet so names were the same of cultures that had no contact with eachother same with the believes of the afterlife. The real devil in the world is the one you see in the mirror, it is only you that make judgement on what you do. Now is there a force that pushes you to such things, yes there's an outside force but you have a choice of listening to it or not. There are many so called devils, but none rule what we believe as hell. There's a dark places that come close but it's not and judgement is up to the gods and goddesses really. This is really a more complex subject than just speaking of one being. B/c in truth it talks about many. Satan means adversary, so for everything you are against, is being Satan towards that object. But that's all I will place in this summary about this subject.
Well, I'd like to imagine 'Satan' as if he were a 'Vampire'. o_o Now, why would I imagine such a thing?
Well now, we have that;
A) He was the very first Angel, not to mention, best represented to 'God'. Like our first 'Vampire'.
B) 'Satan' was claimed to be the most beautiful of all angels; As are 'Vampire's' depicted as beautiful.
C) 'Satan' was cast from Heaven, being the first Fallen Angel, and for revolting against 'God', basically. Same concept with a 'Vampire'.
D) 'Satan' is said to actually be honest and loyal to get the things he wanted (Souls and/or corruption), even through his trickery. Likewise for a 'Vampire', though, maybe through seductive measures.
Anyways, I can see 'Satan' as a Beautiful being, the most handsome infact. I can depect in my own mind a very aristrocratic 'Satan'.
I agree with MrsXtremehate, the whole idea is a little too far fetched for me.
If I believed in the devil I would have to start to believe there was a god they both insult my intelligence
I thought Jack Nickelson did a good job as the devil in Witches of Eastwick
I like angel heart Robert de Niro called himself Louis Cyphre sounding like Lucifer … so cleaver
devil and satan were mearly words to mean, rival or someone who spreads lies. So this show is entertaiment, other then that nothing more.
To me, I think that satan appears to people as what they think he looks like.
In my opinion, I think he looks like a human, so he can fit in with the human race when he is wandering around the planet.
Jack and Robert are both good choices, but if I must pick one it would be George Burns.. Oh yeah Devil/God not much of a beliver in both. To me it is a being made up by the churches to scare and keep people in the church. Lets face it the church is the biggest corperation out there, and they are governed by themselves.
i could belive the the fallen angel idea but i think its more just an idea of a dark place that isn't led by anyone cause everyone is tortured in hell
Lucifer, Is, the most beautiful angel. He was not vain, but prideful. That god would take pity, take preference over the humans who would constantly deny god, or befoul his name. And with that pride he tried to lead a revolt and was cast down.
Lucifer is still an Angel, even if fallen. Immortal, his beauty is unrivaled.
I missed that Dr Who.
When I think of the bible devil, I can't help but think how human lol
I mean I know people who crave love so much and believe that is is their right to be considered THE most important in someones heart.
Just 1 devil?? Nah! Devil is a whole classification of infernal spiritual beings, generally those who are orderly and calculating in their evil, as opposed to demons who are pretty much randomly desctructive. *lol*
I get what you're going at with the iriginal topic about the imagery associated with a prime adversarial being who works to claim souls away from Jehovah. But how often have you heard someone describe an ex-gf or bf in a way that makes them sound monstrous, only later to meet the person and wonder what the scare tactics were about... Whatever someone want you to hate (or fear) because they hate, they will of course make sound as bad as they can. If they made it sound beautiful then yu would not want to agree with them that it was loathesome...right? It' all bad PR.
Besides, to believe in 1 devil is to believe he is the rival of only 1 god... *hmmmm*
I think that portrayals of the devil is always the same, the devil is made to seem bad, why do they never show the devil as being fair...
I believe the devli is purely abstract and is a force or a belief created by those that believe in him.
I found the portrayal in the book "For Love of Evil" by Piers Anthony very interesting. I think a lot of people seem to be missing the point of this thread.
from what i understand he was "supposed" to be the best looking angel befor his fall, the hornes and pitchfork came at a latter time with the christian/ pagan myths were blended with the passing of time
I think that the devil is just what the evil in each person is called... no matter the percentage of evil.. its just a reference of what goes on. And God is what we relate to anything that we dont know how was created!!!
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My favorite incarnation of the Devil has always been that of 'the deal maker'. The Devil who, contract in hand, seduces us with our most hidden desires.
Not only has this incarnation been the one that fits most neatly into every time and generation both modern and ancient, but this incarnation has always seemed the most 'human', the most multi-faceted, the most stylish, and if one must admit to anything, the most likable of Devils. For what does he really do except let us hang ourselves with our own worst sins of greed, envy, pride, lust, wrath, gluttony and sloth.

I think he is what people portray him as to be in there mind's so he is many thing's and has many look's...if there is even a devil I dont really believe in him.
I believe in Satan as described in the Bible. Call me crazy.
Ok. I have given up my ideals and taken new ones on. Gary Oldman is now my truth :P
I don't envision Satan/The Devil/etc. as a real, physical thing (I don't believe in the entity associated with that moniker).
HOWEVER...
When we start talking about how I 'characterize' the dark side of nature/the universe/etc., I begin to envision something like a shadow. This shadow isn't of anything physically specific - more of a concept. This shadow exists in all facets of humanity and manifests itself in whatever form depending on how it is empowered. This also makes the nature of the evil up to personal interpretation.
As far as throwing all of that out the window and considering a physical portrayal of the individual recognized as the devil (whether you believe in him/it or not), I always thought the creepiest drawings were the perversions of the pagan horned god as a beast with cloven hoofs, red skin, the inverted star, and those eyes. Eeeesh I'm getting the creeps just thinking about it.
I'm also quite creeped out by the face from The Exorcist... egads, what a horrible thing! Once again the thing that really gets me there is the eyes.
As far as an actual belief goes... nah, embodiments of an evil being to me are only symbols of latent feelings in human psychology.
Shoot! I forgot to add that the video for Beat the Devil was always quite amusing to me... although my prime focus in that was more on his sexuality than anything else! Great portrayal by Gary Oldman there.
I don't especially believe in a "Satan" as an entity. More so a large mass of negative energy.
The devil was made up just like everything else in "history."
I do believe in a bad force though.
"Ok. I have given up my ideals and taken new ones on. Gary Oldman is now my truth :P"
AMEN HONEY. lmao
My statement is clear.... and very bias.... I don't believe in the devil... or an evil being.. I think that he is a scary story to SCARE people.
But as I said, my opinion is bias...
Al Pacino played a convincing devil opposite Keaneau Reeves but I can't remember the name of the movie.
Wolvie... I believe the movie you are referring to is The Devil's Advocate. Al Pacino did do a FANTASTIC job.
Yeah that's it thanks it was driving me crazy, ok so it's a short trip lol
It is questionable for sure. Some people I have talked to believe he is a fallen angel and that he is trying to destroy the work of God among men and women. They think it is the devil that whispers in your ear and tempts you to evil. But, then I wonder, if the devil was an angel to begin with..What made him revolt against God?
hmm i think i came to this post a little to late... for all of my answers seems to already have been said :( but if i think of something i will return
I do not think any portrayal of the devil i have ever seen was any good, i may be mistaken but i have not seen any that were realistic...
What we class as "the Devil", "God" and all other religious crap is merely the good and evil in the world in which all of us harbour within ourselves. We create this positive/negative energy.
They have these words to label sinners and saints amongst us all. It's to drive fear into our minds to control us so one doesn't hurt another. They are rules.
I believe that is how religions were born.
So man loves his brother etc. Gods were created as a way of explaining the unknown. In Egypt they have a god for every element, as many other ancient civilizations do. They never had our technology. These "Decipals/Priests" wanted to look Mighty and Powerful. They are decievers. They brainwash people to live under their god, to worship.
I obviously don't know for certain, but damned if I will dedicate my life to worship something I don't even know exists.
Anyway I think I got a little off the track...
Among a myriad of cultures you will find just as many devils in various shapes/forms but the centre of them all they are the same. They mean the same. They dwell in an underground location. They are evil. They stand for everything that goes wrong in life they are something to blame for someone's actions etc.
It's all hog wash
Appologies if I have offended anyone
I assure you, they are not my intentions
CR
Yes CemetaryRoses- this is not about why you think religion is hogwash. It's about which portrayal you dig, really. Anyone can participate in this rather they believe in the idea of the devil or not.
I believe that the idea of a devil is just a soul that has chosen a darker path to the essence of the universe. This path is lonely and desolate, and hellish, albeit faster, and so it creates an evil in the soul. As the soul evolves and is reincarnated, that devil is reborn. Sometimes here, sometimes other planets. I think Hitler, Hussien, ect. were souls such as these. They are to be pitied, not hated....
unigon i went to the link and i must say ive learned something again that i didnt know
I hadn't seen Beat the Devil until last night. I found it interesting that they too used the egg as a metaphor for the soul. Gary Oldman is peeling an egg in the beginning.
In Angel Heart, a fantastic devil movie starring Mickey Rourke and with Robert DeNiro as Louis Cyphre (Lou-cifer = Lucifer), he's also always peeling an egg and even offers it to the main character at one point (offering him his soul back but he doesn't know it).
would malachy be one... from
( children of the corn )
im not to good in this catagory
this is one topic to keep comming back to and read. for me that is atleast. im not to smart on the * god * or devil thing
I'm a Satanist and I don't believe in the Devil so chew on that everyone. lol
As Crying Mist said the original devil in the Old Testament meant someone who questions - a real devil's advocate.
I think the modern portrayel of the devil with horns was a way to attack the 'horned god' and 'green man' who were prominent in Europe.
i personal find the whole satan idea boring, i dont think there is a malicious creature of sorts or some almost god, but not really that is evil.....sorry i just think its lame...
Yep. Angel Heart was/is a great movie. I own it and have watched it several times. I also caught that connection when watching Beat the Devil.
And Bobby D's buddy Al in his role as Satan in The Devil's Advocate:
Heh, by far my favorite portrayal was Elizabethe Hurley from Bedazzled. The hottest devil with a great sense of humor. Although the others were fine portrayals, she's my fav.
And another- Primus' take on The Devil went down to Georgia...
As Daermon said that does sound more like Leviathan than Lucifer(aka Satan) but the interesting thing is that back in the early 80 s a soviet oil company drilled vey deep in Siberia and hit something that first released an enormous blat of (unknown) enregy followed by cries coming out of the hole, the governement shut it down instantly and nothing was ever heard about it again, maby that gave the doctor who authors the idea.
There's so many portrayals of the devil, its hard to figure out which one is closest to the truth...i find the one of the half man half goat rather interesting...the one of the giant red man is abit over the top tho but that one is used so much in hollywood!
OK I have spent ten minutes googling for anything that resembles a trapped monster in Siberia. You're in schtuck, mate, unless you find me something.
I dont believe in the devil. the devil is just a scarey figure to religious people that if they dont do good by god he will come and get you.
Well I have always appreciated the idea of consequences. Even if it's just an 'idea'... to me it's the neatest one ever.
I'm Kemetic so the Devil is irrelivant...the closest thing is Anubis (The god of the underworld)...However being reincarnated as a rat, or a roach scares us enough to stay on the right path...
Actually I think evil exists on many planes and what Christians call Satan is just anyone who is evil and corrupt. Thier ideas of the devil are too hollywood. Anybody can be satan, hell look at manson and mcveigh, along with the rest of the serial killers of history. Other than that, sorry I don't beleive in Satan, and I don't believe in "the God".
Oh I loved that Doctor Who episode. Anyway I think most of the time the devil is portrayed so stupidly it's not funny.It says in the bible that the devil was a angel that went against God for how good he treated humans. He was cast out of Heaven along with his followers who became demons and God called him the Devil
from my inderstanding he was a great demon but not the devil, i think the doctor phrased him as the equivalent of the devil, but yeah that episode was soooo cool!
I dont have a religion, but heres the one i find most interesting.
Some say that "God" is in you....so i think the most interesting Devil is the one that must be in us. S/He is only as bad as we make him/her to be. Along with the "God" in us.
Throughout this forum topic, references are made to "fallen angels," "scapegoat," "hell," and "vampire." All of these references are inherently linked and the same single origin, as does the entire "Devil" concept: the legends of the "Watchers" or, if you prefer the less-accurate yet more well-known appellation, "Fallen Angels."
As first recorded in Hebrew history ca. 1500 BCE, though the original Sumerian accounts predate this by at least another 1,500 years, after the 200 "Fallen Angels" has taught Humankind all they needed to establish civilization, they had also shared with them their highly unique sexuality and married several of their women. This, for whatever reason, the ancient Hebrews could not permit and so used the very metalworking skills taught them to make weapons of war with which they then slaughtered as many of the families of the "Fallen Angels" as they could. And ever since, the story was embellished to have it appear that God punished them by imprisoning the "Fallen Angels" underground in a place of fire and torment forever reputed to exist beneath a deep valley near the Dead Sea. This was the birth of the concept of Hell.
The leader of the Fallen Angels, Azazel, was only later vilified as "Satan," himself, who reigned over the "Fallen Angels" who remained in "Hell." Hence, the origins of that myth, too.
Annually, the Priests of Judaism would engage in a public rite in which two goats were sacrified: one, for Jehovah, and the other, named "Azazel," had tied to him a red thread or ribbon representing all the sins of Israel. The "Azazel" goat (yep... the literal and original "scape goat") was then led into the wilderness to a high cliff where, after much ceremony, the Azazel goat was bodily thrown off the cliff and minutely monitored by priests stationed at points along the goat's fall to ensure that the goat arrived dead at the bottom of the cliff (reminiscent of Azazel's supposed "fall" from heaven). Only after the goat was confirmed dead would the priests communicate this fact back to the populace at Jerusalem via signal flags at stations along the route back to the city. Only then would all their collective sins be considered forgiven and the celebration would commence.
Thus... most ironic of all... the very idea and concept of a Savior of Mankind, of "Jesus" himself, had its origin also in the "Fallen Angels" and in particular, their leader Azazel... the first actual "Savior."
And yes... as discussed at length at My profile and journal articles... the "Fallen Angels" and their highly unique sexuality was passed down through their progeny until in Eastern Europe, the Christians discovered them and, as in the days of their original fathers, vilified them as evil, as "fallen," and as being damned. However unlike their fathers accused of voracious hunger for any and all flesh, their Common Era descendants were similarly vilified as possessing a voracious thirst for blood. Of course as the original accounts in both cases strongly indicate, their actual "hunger" and "thirst" was most certainly not for flesh or blood at all... but for endless sexual communion with females. Thus, in addition to being the true source of the legends of both "Satan" and "Jesus," this angelic progeny is also the true and only source of the very legends we have today of the "Vampire."
anything that religous people think that are opposite of their beliefs is considered the devil or an act of the devil
Interesting the Sumerian concept of creation and so forth ….. I wouldn’t link a vampire through it though … lilith was not a vampire but a succubus … big difference.
I wasn't referring to Lilith at all, but instead to the Anunnake (Sons of the Heavenly Prince), the Sumerian account of those whom the Hebrews thousands of years later called the "bene ha elohim" (Sons of God[s]) who came down from "heaven" and "took them wives of all that they chose" (Genesis 6:1-4).
is it really that difficult to follow the topic of this thread? please read the topic of a thread before you post to it.
Satan was a beautiful angel that was cast out of heaven
I dont believe in Satan or the devil. However put. Nor do I believe in God. I think it depends on whatever you believe. Different beliefs portray "him" differently.
3382?!! Wow! I can't believe a thread I started has lasted this long.
Satan is supposed to be beautiful the most beautiful... that's why he was so full of himself and got cast down, he wanted to be worshiped... that's why he is the master of manipulation because he can use his looks to charm and lie...
Seriously, if I saw that thing in that picture coming at me I'd crap my pants, but something beautiful and and sinfully charming coming for me I'd be in trouble... that's what satan's famous for...
I think satan was made into a monster my satan himself so no one would see him really coming....... Smart very smart....
i think ppl use our imagination against us when depicting things like the devil....I think it is all crap, who says the devil cant be beautiful and inteligent...only mankind i feel. The devil has been portrayed in many ways, like everything it depends on how we wish to believe things.
I am the Devil and I'm here to do the Devils work...
something like that... xxx
Even though I'm Catholic I do not believe that Satan even exists....and that is just a TV show..though yes it was very interesting and gave you something to think about its still fiction
Personaly I don't care what the devil looks like. Yes He is out there but why should I even care what He is like. I am not a Satanist I do not studie Sitanic wichcraft so why should I care what the Hell He looks like. I am sorry but the portrayals of Satan don't amuse me. When it comes to things like that I tend to stand in the back ground and most of the time I ignore It. Why shoul I a Wiccan care what Satan Looks like...
this is about portrayals of the devil, not whether or not the devil exsists
lucifer and jesus were both gods sons.......lucifer wanted the world to have no free will.....and jesus wanted us to have free will....god thought that lucifer was evil for sayin ppl should have no free will.....and god praised jesus......lucifer was casted out and sent to rule over hell.....when his plan would have made the world a better place
It would be nice if people would actually post relevant things. This isn't about who Lucifier is/was or if he is real.
It is my belief that the best representations of... The one with many names are those that imply great power. like that in the show, where "body and mind" were separated. Also I am fascinated by those where "the beast" may shift forms. After all beauty is in the eye of the beholder and one that may change whenever could be seen as beautiful by all. Even those with far different versions of what that will be
i do not know if i have a picture in my head of him but more of a thought
Thedevil can change in many forums, to decieve people, and make many different voices . The devil can also bring u over to the dark side.
I watched and old movie before omen came out the devil in a bottle and it cryed like a cat . it cryed like a baby to make the people think there was baby in the house and a cat.
I forgot the orriginal name of the movie. But when I come across it i will find out and post it.
just Like DarkWolfman said Just a made up character in a made up book.
i agree with jez and them too. I think that evil is apart of a person. I also believe that everyone has alittle evil part of theirselves no matter how dedicated to god they might be. They just choose not to act on that evil as others do. But that pic was badass too.
IF there was such thing as a devil I would have to say Samael would be the one I would have to say is more believable.