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Any CM's interested in trading rates from coven to coven, just write and let me know.

I do not have a problem with them asking me to rate them (as in House or Coven) as long as they do not tell me, or ask me for tens. Fair rates are given.

Really- what is the difference between this message to a Coven or House and placing a ad in the Mascara section?

You can ask, leaving it up to me if I want to, and what rate I give you.

I get enough personal messages asking for this to bother with responding to adverts for it.

I see the ratings game has turned into a solicitations game. Blahh. I rate who I wish to rate, I answer no soliciters....BAD FORM!!

I'm really confused. When she posted this the first time I thought that she meant to trade an overall rating for each of the covens back and forth to see judge the covens as a whole.

If its dealing with rating coven members, then I don't look at the coven they are in, I just rate them like I normally do.

For the ACs and AHs it not a bad idea. It helps out both orginizations by helping to gain favor, page views, rates and it helps your members to level up.
I do agree that the request cannot be forced up on the members, but it is a good request.

Ok, I'm confused, is this thread over ratings or is it over the amount of favor a trade costs for bringing in a new member? Please elaborate.

That sounds all well and good but if a profile doesn't deserve a 10 you shouldn't rate them one just because. That is not fair to those who work at their profiles to make them just right. It is also not fair to ask your members to do it.

We are not asking you give our members a 10 and this thread is more or less pointed towards the heads of the covens and houses. This is not an argument thread or one that is to say...this is stupid.

signed
ACM of Corpse Bride Coven
~Arvalin

Most people who choose to earn favor will make their way through Covens and Houses as time allows.

I see no harm in this request.

I see no problem with this request, both covens get something out of it...

this idea sucks, and if you dont think so then you probably suck too.

have a wonderful day/night!

TBone

Would you care to tell us why you think it's a bad idea ?

I am pretty sure I understand the original intent and request. I think it sucks because its my opinion.

If you want to be rated, go rate people. There are ways of finding every member on VR if you so choose. When and if you rate them I am sure you will be rated back.

Give me something to rate, give me information, asthetically pleasing page, not the thrown together generic bullshit that alot of pages are made up of.

This is in no way saying my page is greatness, hell I was at the VERY bottom at one time on purpose.

I hate the popularity game, I hate 10's that are thrown out for no reason other than wanting one in return.

I have been guilty of doing this at one time but I am modifying my rating system (as soon as Im not so damn lazy) to certain criteria that a page meets in order to be rated a specific number.

Then Ill go re-rate.

Sure this may mean that a certain page doesnt receive a 10 and therefore I wont get one in return... BUT, like I give a crap about that.

LAWDY bring on the bashing and low rates, again I dont care.

oooOoOoo Im not NUMBER ONE on "The Top" hah!

is this the reason people are here anyway?

ook enough rambling, I gotta actually work bleh!

peace
-T.

It's just an attempt at helping others out. We've done this a couple times in our Coven and I'm finding that I've already rated most of the people. Oh well... I suppose it helps with my pages viewed.

lol i agree alot with what tbone says, i rate according to formula....personally...

She is not asking for anyone to go and rate her members a 10. She is asking for people to rate her members and in return she would do the same.

I have no problem with this at all, since I rarely rate members.

What I don't agree with is the person who started this thread is being used as a spotlight topic of a thread. It is one thing to talk about something they've posted. It's another thing to directly use their thread as a means of discussion.

We do this in our coven but not explicitly so. I sometimes message the other society's master, sometimes not.

I just ask our people to rate one society each week and it is up to the other society's members whether they rate back.

The selection is usually based on something that has happened in the previous week - a good chat with a member of a particular society or even just something that reminded me of them lol

I think this way supports the VR system as a whole better than "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours"

I never ask for a rate though it is always appreciated and reciprocated as well.

I don't have a problem with this way of doing it. Especially if perhaps most or all of a coven or house have worked with each other to make their profiles better.
For everyone to put an add in the My Mascara section would drive me bonkers, so this works well.

I go over and rate what I feel the profile is worth, was work done on it, did the person actually say anything? If so they get a 9 or 10 if not well they don't.

I don't care if someone doesn't rate me what I rated them, I'm not playing that game, but if I'm rated low I want a reason given so that I can look and see if it's something I want to fix. I don't feel that's an unreasonable request.

when a coven master says "rate people in this coven coz they are rating us" it sounds quite reasonable. but what if the coven master then says "you must not rate anyone from coven X because they are our rivals."

people should just rate how they like to whom they like, otherwise there is going to be more bad feeling and dramas. let's not go down that path.

I agree with Karnstein & CountessMoon. I rate people who rate me, or rate a coven when my coven master asks, and no i don't automatically rate 10's. As my profile states right at the top, i rate on effort made to create. Plus if the profile is updated, as long as the person lets me know i will gladly re-rate. I've asked people myself to re-rate me once my profile was sorted, just last night matter of fact lol

I feel the request is alright yet I just feel people rate at their own pace, and should not HAVE TO rate because of request.

i have rated many houses and covens just because I was doing ratings

I don't care if someone doesn't rate me what I rated them, I'm not playing that game, but if I'm rated low I want a reason given so that I can look and see if it's something I want to fix. I don't feel that's an unreasonable request.

Cause if I can improve the profile thenit is all good yet I am not trying to play a rating race, just trying to meet, learn and enjoy the people and the site.

this is a very confusing topic whether its been clarified or not its still very confusing on what its suppose to be about perhaps a change in its title in the threads beginning

wait you can do that now

Perhaps in keeping with the vampire theme, this is the subterfuge of covens seeking to gain status in the Prince's eyes.

Certainly the vampire archetype upon which much of the site is built around would have little trouble taking part in something scene as dishonorable or unsavory. I would think there would even be assassination attempts in order to rise among the ranks...However, by that same theme, when discovered, would the Prince be more likely to punish the parties concerned or merely consider it part of the natural selection in coven and house status.

ratings for me is a way to help people and myself for a certain amount of profiles, database items and profolios have to be rated if you ever plan going anyway with status. It helps other people cause it could be a way make friends and problay have more people to talk. it is the goodwill way of doing things like that on VR. If someone wants me to rate them I have no problem it is easy and only take a few seconds to answner their request and I have in doing that at all.

I rate if asked, but if they request a 10 I will rate low. It's all about content. If you have a axe to gring or come off bitchy it will be low. Leave the soap box for the cornor. If you are honest, and can understand basic english and not clutter it up with those bogas quizzes or a to of graphics it'll be higher. Leave the graphics for the portfolio.

The two points I feel are most relevant have been covered, but for my own opinion, yes, it is up to individuals to decide who and what to rate.

But it also is something of an expectation being placed upon people when requests such as this come forward, since many take a tit for tat approach and rather than risk harming one's own rating, members may be more likely to apply higher scores in order to receive the same in response, where they might not neccessarily have done so without being asked.

well I think it is a good idea, but I may not be able to rate cetain members, because my computer is super slow and it wont load some premium members profiles and some free members with alot of pictures and stuff, it takes for ever to load some profiles, but I do try.

I rate what I think is fair. The more you put into it the more I give. And I hate when they say they give you a ten,but if you look at your rating its not showing. Give me what you think is fair, but don't say 10 and give something else.

I still think that part of the problem is that anything less then a 10 is considered insulting by most. Why not just have the whole thing 'pass/fail' if a 9 is going to raise holy hell.

Sounds like a good idea if i were on one.

I rate everyone a 10 I alway's did and I alway's will but if a member give's anything lower then a 10 then I rate them what they rated me.

Jez,

The method which you describe makes a mockery of the ratings system.

Stabb...the rating system is a bit of a mockery anyway...come on...with profile bombing...house/coven exchanges...even the fact that houses and covens want to rate their own members higher. There's nothing actually fair or well played out with it.

I know it wont change and I'm not really worried because it's a small part of the site. Rating the database is more important because from an archive standpoint, people looking for vampire things will see the higher rated things first.

i think give what is put into page..most of time if new .. i give a 10 and a statement keep page going..and look fwd new pics etc.. but to be forced is no good..

I think rating by society is a good idea. I'm constantly looking for ways to make rating more interesting. I miss the 'sort by unrated' option!

Your profile is interesting = I rate it.

Maybe this is because I have no real reason to rate anything anymore unless I feel like it.

Only way I'd find this to be worth it is if another Coven/House paid our House in favor in return for us rating them. I just don't care enough about rates.

i like the idea of a pass/fail page rate. The person could tell you what he/she thinks there page is worth and the people who rate could agree or dis-agree. If they dont like the way they are rated then the onus would be up to the page member to re-address his own value.

lol yeah rating the other House/Coven in favors to get 10's everywhere...not a bad idea...but...not a good one ether, its like a bribe....it is in fact a bribe.

As for some mention I do also rate 10's on frist visit, if I get low then I rerate low, not in vengeance but in simple agreing that what is good to your eyes for me, is also good for you.

I rarely give other then 10, rarely, but I will admit I did, so fare I gave 3 ones. And all 3 were valide in their reasons, ether abuse of trust, threaths of hurting me or my family or my coven mates, and a return 1 from soemone who gave me one because I refuse to admit the person was a superior being.

As for the exhcange of rates, I am kind of half half, on it, if I see it cause drama or trouble or pain, then I will ask my coven members efforts and will do all I can so that 10's are given, if I see that rating is simply rating to help my coven mates or me to level up our level then I wont imppose, ether way I do my best to make everyone happy, and I will admit I do think giving everyone a 10 is like admting we are all different in our taste, personality, our views, our goals, our dreams, and that we dont juge the person, but consider the person as equal.

Sorry, I wish I could please everyone, honestly, and this might cost me some low rate, to say that I consider everyone equal, but, who am I to juge you?? I am me and not you, only you can juge yourself.

i dont really see a problem but i rate them fair if they dont deserve a 10 i do not rate them a 10

I can't even tell you the last time I rated anything...

...really... does it matter anymore? Most eveyone just hands out 10's despite the fact almost every profile is the same slapped together list of quiz results, graphics and lists of things the person likes/dislikes.

*shrugs*

To the idea of trading rates between covens.. whatever. If you really want to do that just go through each coven's members lists and rate people... does it need to be solicited like trading baseball cards?

I agree with sportsfan, i don't mind doing rating, i've made quite a few friends that way and as i stated before i rate on effort anyway, i don't bother to get involved in office politics...i get enough of that at work...i would have through other people would too.

i will look at the prifiles and if they have put a lot of work into it thats a 10 anytime if its good

See Stabb? There's plenty of reasons folks give out 10s but there's also a general malaise about the rating game in particular. Folks have already acknowledged that 10's are the standard and not the high exception. The race to have the higher rating gave rise to situations I recall from my first months.

Incidentally, people always start out honest in their rating...It's always the whelps that are truly judging a profile on it's quality or value. The problem starts when a six or seven is given honestly by a whelp and is rewarded with messages demanding that the whelp re-rate or give reason for the rating or get profile bombed or on the bad side of some level 18+ member.

It can be rather disconcerting when you're a new member and by following the system, you've already got 'enemies' or at least confrontation.

Many profiles say, "If you don't rate me a 10, you better have a damn good reason or there will be consequences." or something to that effect.

I have a hard time saying that its a bad idea only because we are all here for something. and we are all learning and all trying to be respectful. why not be a community and help each other raise levels and have high scores?

on the other hand though i do see how there are some profiles that dont really deserve the 10 and some that really knock ur socks off. so it's a tacky subject.

personally i don't mind getting lower than a 10....as long as they give a reason. I maybe naive but that's the way it should be allround, i certainly don't give out 10's willy nilly, not even to whelps although admittedly i do take it easy on them, as long as there's some lines of text and maybe a pic or 2 they get a 10. The higher levels getting a more through 'going over' lol

and yet if we were using a standard 1-10 rating, a nine is really nothing to be sad about. Hell that's an A in school. But a nine is terrible for some. It's the same as a one because with all the tens everyone is getting, a nine brings your overall score down which is what people are actually upset about.

If VR were like life, then the average person is in the 50 - 70% range of testing. But the majority of people on VR are above the 7 mark. That means anything lower than an 8 is an insult.

It really doesn't bother me on ratings, people rate on how they think my page is

hehe you mean rather than insuring everyone on their society got tens, the strategy could be to give more honest ratings to those outside their society thus insuring a lower rating of the other houses and covens?

Oh that could start such a delightful war as well as really shaking things up in the house/coven hiearchy. House and coven status places could jump rather quickly in either direction. Has there been a good vampire war on this site yet? hehe

why coven to coven?

I do not see anything wrong with houses and covens doing rates yet I myself have my own little system LOL and I rate fairly according to the profile ..

LOL You want a war Felix? Everyone knows that Vamps and lycans wouldn't dare engage in such scandalous behavior :P

LOL this discussion has bounced around a lot.

I can't see anything wrong with requesting that members of one society please rate another society.

Provided, of course, there's no expectation to have anything other than fair rates and, if you have asked someone to rate, don't complain if you don't like what they did.

On the subject of 'I rate what I get', generally you can't. Rates are weighted depending on the member's status - the higher the member's status the more impact it has on the overall marking of the profile. It becomes impossible for (say) a mosquito to ever return the equivalent of a 9 given by a goul

Anyone who tries that rating blackmail scheme where they rate my profile on what theirs was worth when I first rated it - I refuse to re-rate them no matter how good its got - if they ask for a re-rate or put something in Mascara about updates, I do respect that extra bit of effort and re-rate

At the end of the day you have two choices:

build a profile that you enjoy and accept that other people will have different views than you and maybe rate it lower than you think it is worth, or

build a profile you think a wide number of people might enjoy and hope that people rate it with a degree of integrity

Rating profile fairly is something I have done fairly regularly. However, there are times when the person themselves causes me to rate them higher, merely from being who they are.

Most of the time the profiles I rate are rated based on their structure, grammar, spelling and what they are talking about.

Newbies I usually give anywhere between 5 & 8, depending on their creative abilities with the limited HTML captivities of free members. Again, I have given 10's, because they have shown effort and a personality trait I like in them, be they males or females (makes no difference).

If they've gotten a PM account, then that adds to the profile and they usually get anywhere between 7 and 10 for their setup. There have been profiles for which I wish I could rate an 11... seriously, they outshine even my profile.

As for portfolios, if they post a pic of themselves, they instantly get a 10 from me, simply because I can't rate photos. Every photo cannot be rated, because once you rate a photo, that make you a judge of their attractiveness, like it or not. I believe this is unfair, so given that the portfolios have limited HTML abilities, I can't really rate them. So to solve my problem I rate them all 10's unless:
1) They have stock photos (I rate 5ish
2) stolen (copyrighted) pics (I rate 5ish)
3) Pictures against VR Terms Of Use. (I report)
4) No pics at all (I rate a 1)

I always allow for members to question my rating and will gladly re-rate once they've made updates. Simple as that.

Those are just my rules, of course. :)

i usally rate al VDB thins a 10 cuz i usally like them
i rate newbs a 10 if they r just starting out
and everyone ealse i rate a 10 (if i like their pro.) i hadly ever rate below a 5 i have rated some 1 & 2s but usally between 6 and 10

I have read everything posted above my own response. And seeing as I am currently debating about starting a coven when I reach sire on my own or not, I am very interested in this discussion.

I can't see anything wrong with one society asking another to rate their members. But I would make sure the people in the society wanted to participate in such an arrangement. I would also want to make sure the master of the other society informed their members that it is to actually rate, not to just hand out tens to everyone.

I would still be worried about the issues with members complaining of 'unfair' rates, especially since they really can't say it's unfair seeing as most members are bias on their own profiles and/or portfolios.

I dont see what the problem is with rating this coven and personally i have rated all its members.. I posted a system message for fellow members of the coven to do the same if they wished.. noone was required to do or told they have to rate a 10.. I rate profiles as i find them and rate as i see fit.. which is the whole point of fair rating.. If i rate a 10 and someone gives me a 1.. so what they dont have to like my profile .. i wont die or my profile wont blow up.. everyone has diffrent standards of what they think a 10 is worth.. If you make some effort u will get a 10 from me and im always willing to go back and re-rate if they update..

Everything will be fine if they remove the whole rating system from the house or coven standings....But that can't be done can it?So ......just go rate profiles according to what you seem fit.Nothing can be done about this.People will rate according to whatever they want....And nobody can force them to do otherwise....As for rating between different covens and houses,
Lets get ready for war.....

I rate people as I see fit i am my Own boss Noone else tells me what to do.. If i think Someone deserves a ten they get a ten If they arent so Hot then they get a more appropriate score and ask them to tell me when they have updated to rerate its only Fair to Everyone

I think this is fair, your coven members rate my coven members and my coven members rate yours. But then again you have those people who get up set for not being rated an automatic ten so I can see where conflict may occur.

I can't believe alot of people responding in this thread are fighting over how people rate. This is ridiculous!

All SB asked was for people to rate the members of her Coven and in return her members would rate the other members Coven..... END OF DISCUSSION!

This isn't a thread about "HOW" we rate profiles nor was it a thread about "you rate me a '10' and I'll rate you a '10', heehee".

Well I rate 10 I doint care if there profile isnt good or not cause granted if the member is new they need 10s to get there rating score up to par with the rest of us, giving a whelp a 1 is not my cup of tea like it is 4 some members U do understand that these ppl need time to fix there profiles to get better rates but thats only after they have been in VR 4 much longer So I rate 10s to get 10s so are over all rating score is higher and we as a coven all move up the charts!! So I agree with JEZ on this you rate me a 1 u get a 1 lol plaine and simple!!

I've already had my say in all this and i'm not going to repeat myself & plus I'm not sure if i should be saying this since i'm only at level 9...but here goes and please forgive me if i've overstepped the line, but if this thread is going to continue along this line should it be moved the the 'masscara' section since it's been going on for days? again sorry if i've offended anyone.

i tend to agree with Felix on this -- incidentally, when was the last time a Sire ever got less than a 10 (outside of a personal dispute) the reasons for giving 10s are all over the place

Perhaps if we didn't have a way of knowing what we were rating each other, the rates would be more honest.

The hazards of premium membership.

I think that would be a good idea . It helps everyone out .

Excellent idea FelixFelix, get rid of the facility to see what the other person has rated you, would clear up the lot of this mess....office politics...Grrrr

I have done it in my coven twice now and it works well and everyone gets something out of it...

And the last time I got other then a ten was two days ago and it was 1 just to let you know...

sincerely, lordxofxthexdamned

did u ask why?

I've heard of some of these requests to trade ratings...I myself don't participate in these...I rate the way I wish and that's it...

If we got ride of viewing rate scores for premiums, we might inadvertantly punish people who we think were responsible for the down rates.

sounds like a good idea

but 'Foreverxlost', you're not a sire -YET. LOL

It's simple -- just put a rating on what you think your own profile/port.. is worth, then others could agree/disagree -- and if you got more negative rates, you would know you've rated yourself to high, and could lower or up it accordingly. DA DAAAAAAAAAAA

I only rate an entire sister-society if I feel like it. Usually when I am just trying to kill time, I often decide to make sure I rated every member of another society. Personally I wouldn't force any of my coven's members to rate other covens -- it's unfair to them as they don't always have the time online that I do. It's a respect thing, I guess.

Well I do now have ask my coven member to rate other coven or house, but now when I do, it is on a : you rate if you wish, it will help you level up, you rate what you see fit (made the mistake before of forcing and wont ever) and in retrun you never know might get yourself rated too, so it will help you.

I send a House message every week, of a chosen coven and ppl do as they see fit, to level up by rating or stay as they are by not, and I dont go double check I let them free, as the rating is a free will system. I fthey dont rate, well its fine, its their choice, those who do, well I am happy they get their rating score and also get to knwo maybe new ppl they might enjoy.

I think the exchange of rate is good when it is done in the spirit of respect and of freedom, like a sugestion. NOT a force action

Since I've already rated over 90% of the site.. it really doesnt matter to me personally one way or the other. As an ACM though, I see trading rates with other Covens/Houses as a way to encourage member participation and make rating more interesting.. therefore increasing personal status as well as Coven standings. I see nothing wrong with it *shrugs*

If they wish to rate coven to coven or house to house I dont see an issue.. I rate fair always have..

Have started working my way through Houses & Covens for Rating, and am rating either 2 Houses or 2 Covens a Week

I think if your on vr for a while your going to rate other houses or covens members anyway, so why not do it now, and if a coven did ask to have their members rated a ten and they would give your members a ten, i do not see a big deal in it i mean it is just a rateing anyway, no harm is being done...

OMG, is this discussion is still going on.....running away very fast!!

TO: "BLOODLIFE" this is my second account I'm also known as lordxofxthexdamned Master of The Coven of Eternal Darkness

it's a good idea...yet a bad one as well...cus everyone rates for different reason...and against different 'scales'....

nothing wrong with a cm asking their house/coven to rate anothers - it would be up to the individual to rate if they wanted to

For as long as I have been here..ratings have been a sore subject. Low rates, false rate revenege rates the list goes on. Just be on honest an rate what you feel.

it is true many use it as a revenge tools instead of a simple rate, many I saw gave 1's just to piss off or hurt, not realising that the person they rate a 1 might know higher ppl who can rate back the same, then again its also worng as it makes a circle, one person sugested to take of the raitng system, I think part should be taken off, the part that makes your score, it should be just rate for rates and help levels and things like that not score, the page of the top should be taken out, it only makes things worst and ppl agressive, my friend was rated a 1 for being nice and respecting her word after she had rated a 10, and it made her drop, even tho after seing both sides I saw she was doing right and he was simply doing revange to hurt, instead of being an adult and grown man.

So I think the part about score should go out.

But the truth is that it's unlikely to happen. The rating as a part of VR is throughout the whole system.

There's also good reason for creating a method of members having some say in who is rated the highest...

However, it's the knowledge of who has rated you what level, that makes it more difficult. Revenge rating wouldn't be as easy if you didn't know who down rated you. Sure you could try to figure it out based on how many rates you receive but others who are rating you could also work that as well. You'd still have folks who rate low for the fun of it or to hurt but they do so now anyway.

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Ill still rate 10s no matter what its my choice no one elses lol.

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