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Cheetahcry
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I have just got done doing a search through past forum posts. The one thing that I did not see is the soul being considered as a newborn or a reborn soul. As for research I am finding everything or souls vs. spirit and soul mates and such. But that is not what I am looking for.

My question to all of you is do you believe that a soul can be newborn or a reborn soul? (a newborn being like the birth of a child)
I would also like to know if any of you have had any experience with this?

I almost for got one of the dying questions in my mind as well...... What constitutes a new soul or a reborn soul coming into this world?




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This topic, to me, sort of seems like reincarnation. I'm probably wrong. Either way, I believe that most people have their own new-born soul, though some may have reborn souls. Some people have memories which don't come from any time in their life they can remember, or dreams which seem to be reality. Both may be possible...



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Depending on what religion you follow it can be both....

In the Christian Bible..... All souls are housed in the GUFF... a Soul of Souls...

there, a soul will wait until a child is about to be born and will join with the baby....

in other religions/faiths....

Souls are reincarnated.... and will be "reborn" in several bodies, several times.....



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I heard that someone has to die to make space for a newborn. Whether that is a old soul that is rebor I do not know. It would be nce to thnk that your soul gets reborn. It gives some point of reason about life and death.



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Well, I pretty much think souls are reborn. My reasoning is there have been babies born in my family directly the same day another member of the family has died, and the new members of the family are so much alike the member who died that it is scary.



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Like Hawk2k said it would strongly go on your religious believes. A lady I know said her Aunt is on her final life, that is her soul has been reborn several times, and that she has learnt all that she needs to, that it has come to the highest level.
Now I am not sure how much of this I believe, if any, but she said when she dies a new soul will come into being and hers will move on!



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Wiccans believe those who pass over will rest in a place called Summerland for awhile.

Christians believe that we will rise on judgement day.

Some have told me they believe that those who fought in World War 2 have been recarnated and are fighting in the wars that we have now.

One medium told me she was 87, that she seen her husband and they were going to live in a house and help promote world peace when it was her time to pass.

basically I do believe in recarnation how soon i honestly could'nt give a answer,



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Hawk2k pretty much has summed it well.

The response you get will be tempered by the individuals religeous beliefs and/or what they were led to believe from an early age.

In my opinion - Contrary to what the majority of other Christians believe - I think it is a combination of "new" and "recycled" souls. I think if you messed up in life and did not "earn" a spot in the next world, you can get another chance by having your soul be reborn. On the other hand, as our population keeps growing, if souls are ONLY recycled, we would have a bunch of souless people running around.



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i think everyone is a reborn

think about it, if we all are reincarnated we could really be like 1000 of years old



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I'm kind of iffy on this one. I want to say that all souls are recycled. That's one explaination of Deja Vu.... You've been through the situation before in another life so therefore, it seems familiar in this one. But the new body has never experienced it before and neither has the brain so it can't comprehend it. I think that's what some people mean by the immortal soul and it's curse. The soul lives forever but it can't finish what it set out to do because it has to train a new body all over again every time the old one dies. It never gets to finish because it's host never lives long enough.



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Souls come here to experience and overcome negativity. I believe most all are older ones. New? I dunno about that. I have only read and heard about older ones, to try out different aspects of life. We map it out before we come here, the lessons to learn and go through, people to interact with.



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Well If you belive in reincarnation, I think that would be like a reborn soul, where as a newborn soul could be nothing but a baby.



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Yes - I also believe that a reincarnated soul is a newborn soul. Life is all about cycles anyway.



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I thought you brought up an interesting topic, Cheetahcry, and you had me searching for some answers.

I think that the answer to this question could be both; which one a person believes in would depend on their cultural and/or religious beliefs.

There is an ancient debate stemming back to Tertullian over the creation of human souls. There have been traditionally two schools: the creationists and the traducianists.

The creationists hold that every soul is created ex nihilo at the very moment of conception. God creates out of nothing every single human soul directly.

The traducianists (Tertullian, maybe St Augustine, and most Lutherans) teach that the human soul is generated in the same way that the human body is generated. According the soul of a new baby is created from the composite of the two souls of the parents. Just as the body is created from the previously existing genetic material of the mother and father, so also the soul is generated by the "genetic" material of the souls of the mother and father.

You can read a little more on this here:

Traducianism and the Creation of Souls



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religion does dictate where the soul may go after death of the original shell, I do believ the soul can or could be reborn into a new child of this world. have heard stories of this but i have tried to find them to post here. I shall keep looking.



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I also believe it has alot to do with what you believe in as to new-souls or reborn-souls

to me a reborn soul is reincarnation of another that has passed on

where a new souls is one that is waitng to be born unto a human being .. I always think of that movie by Shirley Temple *Blue Bird* :) LOL where all these people and babies and kids are in heaven waiting to be born into a human body they are all new souls LOL



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I do believe in reincarnation. But not all souls are reborn. My grandmother used to tell us that when a baby is born an adult passes. Wether this is true or not i dont know.



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I don't know about new as in brand new.

I do think of Souls as older or younger.

Sometimes I wonder if the kind of people who enjoy doing things like climbing mountains 'because they are there' are younger Souls eager to experience the thrills before settling on the more sedate things in life.



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It depends what religous belief people have or has been raised that way. I know Cathoilic talks about being recarnicated (reborn again) but its up to the spirits to decide what you will become in your next life.



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i think in the beginning of creation souls were newborn bbut now i think they are just reborn..recycled if you will



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i most certainly think that is how we are able to tell people oh your an old soul or your a new soul.

a new soul has not been around long and learned all it needs to...and an old soul knows much and is closer to the final journey



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I believe in old souls and new souls as i believe that all souls have certain amounts of lessons to learn before they move on to the next plane existence so some must be new and old.



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i think the older souls are here to help the younger souls though they may not be newborn souls just younger reborn souls.

in my life i have come across a few who i felt were old souls just by the way hey spoke and acted and i think it's true that you can feel the presence of ones sould through the eyes..



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I believe that souls are reborn (reincarnation). but before we can even speak of souls we have to determine whether or not souls even exist. I believe that souls exist. mainly because we have thoughts and feelings. scientists say that those come from different parts the brain and from genes and stuff but still. I dont think that chemicals control everything we feel and do. there is something within us that makes us who we are. I believe that the souls are reborn because I dont believe that there is any other place for the souls to go. some religions say the souls go to heaven or hell or other similar places. while some people say they become nonexistent. as for the nonexistent part, if a soul exists it has to take up some space right? so it cant just become nonexistent because no matter is ever lost and none is ever gained. if the soul became nonexistent then we would lose matter. the same could be applied to going to heaven or hell as well. technically we would lose the matter that the souls occupied. also, where would the new souls come from? some argue a higher being, intelligent creator or God. why would he just keep creating new souls? if he took all the old souls to heaven or sent them to hell wouldnt heaven and hell eventually get overcrowded?



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All souls are re-usable. I believe every now and then a new soul is born but the majority being re-born.



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I heard when someone dies that another is born to replace it.. Or when you die you can be reborn..



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they have 12 phases.... hence 12 astrology signs....



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I think it's possible for both. Some people may have newborn souls and others may have reborn souls. Others may have a mixture of the two. It's possible that 2 souls have to come together to make a whole. Just my thoughts anyways.


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it makes me wonder..if a soul is newborn where in fact would it come from,we all know everything is made up from energy but would be interesting to find out what energy or how abouts it comes to be a soul,a newborn soul for that matter.



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I belive that you are reborn in a new body.. My little boy was born on the same day as my uncle who passed as a baby. I think that my little boy is him reborn I know that it has been many years but my little boy is like the spitting image of my mom when she was little.. In some cutures they belive you come back as what you hated. Sorta like karma's great big screw you..



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it is possible to place a soul into another body to be reborn....but a new soul is an energy and scientificly cannot be created.....so this means that you have technically never died you just got a new body......but if that soul does not desire to come back they wonder freely for all eternity



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I think each birth is a rebirth in its self, a new life born as a soul evolves and grow, we are reborn each day the soul is no different, it is reborn each day that is makes the body breath.



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Yes I believe that souls can be new or re-born. Hell I believe that my soul is not new at all.



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i think that's what we call reincarnation. people, once dead, decompose and the bodies can no longer be recovered. it is the soul that relives.

maybe that's where we get our immediate knowledge, thoughts and predictions. the past life provides us with what to expect in the next.


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Undervampsgaze
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Okay here is a head scratcher for you.. If you were reborn would you have the some personality as your umm older self? Have characteristics of your former self? BTW sorry for redirecting your subject just am curious what you all think..



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jdviper--- Please explain what you are saying about the phases. I would really be interested in hearing about this.

Undervampsgase---- I feel that if we are a reborn soul (old soul) that we carry some of the traits that were there in the past. But as a new born I would think that it is the beginning stages of learning and we would not have that much knowledge.

Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. I am really enjoying the read.



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I believe that a soul is reborn..how else can you account for all the past life recollections of people...I don't mean the ones who believe they were Napoleon or Cleopatra or the such..but ordinary everyday people that truly existed in another time.



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i agree with queen morbid that souls are reborn no matter what they have to reincarnate the world like animals , hehee



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someone asked where a soul comes from google guf and you will have your answer this is interesting



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Seems like reincarnation and yes I believe someone can be reincarnated and I believe that they can find a love with someone else and create a child not planned as in being reincarnated and remembering you are with a certain person then finding another and creating something that was not there before.



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New Born.

Reincarnation makes no sense to me, unless it's an imperfect system.

A "system" implies perfection (if it's been planned by any entity with any kind of power that I respect), which means you'd learn from a previous life, and that seems to not happen more often than not.

therefore, it's crap.

I believe in evolution, and building on past learning by reading and experiencing "other's" lives so that you improve on your line.



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I think some are newborn others are reborn, otherwise how can population increase?

I would also not ignore the possibility of an Afterlife and reincarnation, meaning that certain souls go to an afterlife, while others reincarnate, or go to another dimension then reincarnate when they have to. Therefore there'd be newborn souls while the rest are in the Afterlife.

I believe in possibility of everything so why not both cases being possible?



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mines a reborn soul because i have so manny memories from my pasts and its kind of cool that i really have such a hisory to me i never thought that it would happen but im glad it did



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From my religious beliefs I think we are reborn. I can back it up with my own personal experience, because all the dreams I have now are of my past lives and it is like they want me to learn from them.



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What constitutes a new soul to be reborn? Well, I think if you live a good life and are honest and good, you will be reborn.



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I don't believe in reincarnation, so I'd say new soul.

A new soul is 'hot off the press'.

A reborn soul has been recycled, someone is being reborn through the soul.



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I believe there are both types of souls--old souls and new souls.



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Do you mean can a soul be ressurected, reborn, someones dead body their soul leaving and becoming something else? I do not believe in this.



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For those that believe we are old souls, whether you are a recycled soul (if you believe in reincarnation) or not wouldnt you then also have to believe in new souls....I mean you had to start some where right. Even if this is your 20th trip it started with one, at that point you would have been a newborn soul.



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I'm curious what the first man and woman thought about things such as this. Mostly our beliefs stems from some religion, environment, social molding if you will that plays a huge role. I'm not really sure if these things really mattered to the first people that lived on this world. Seems when we have a lot of time to think, we end up having more questions than answers but majority of the world believes that there's definately something after death and certainly we can't ALL be mistaken. Many cultures and tribes across the globe may have a different viewpoint on where we go or what happens but the similarity of it all is the fact, most say there is an afterlife of some kind.



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Typically i find that older souls kinda KNOW when they have found or come across those that are too. And the difference is that when you meet an older soul, at times you typically sense that they are a little "wiser", oddly more mature for their ages, or they just seem to be the type of person you would go to for advice and feel more open to generally, and younger souls seem to be the ones that look or search more for guidance or need more assistance of things or seem to be not as open or acceptable to things as maybe an older soul would be.

So yes I can see there being reborn souls, or souls not as old as some, or perhaps new borns. :)



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I think a soul can be reborn, but that soul won't remember anything from it's past life.

But I mean, there is a chance it could remember but have like flash backs and stuff.

IDK tho.

-Juggalette givin MMFWCL



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Before the child is born, the Supreme Being sends into the mother’s womb the soul of some deceased relative of the child to be born. The length of life of each soul is predetermined. Souls are hanging on the cross-beams of the house of The One High Above. The duration of the earthly life of the future owner of the soul is marked by the length of the strap which is attached to the soul’s neck or thumb. The shorter the strap, the shorter will be the life of the newborn.


As soon as the child is born, it is given the name of the dead relative whose soul was reborn in it. The father of the newborn uses divining stone to discover whose soul has entered the child. Another way of determining the identity of the soul is by observing the behavior of the child itself. A number of names are mentioned. If the child cries while a name is pronounced, it is not the name of the soul reborn in the child. When the proper name is pronounced, the child stops crying, or begins to smile. After the name has been given, the father takes the child in his arms, caries it out from the sleeping tent into the house, and says to his people that a relative has come. For a year after a childbirth the woman is expected to observe certain taboos. Children in general, and the new born in particular, are more than the adults, subject to the danger of becoming the victims of the kalau. Children souls are very shy and inexperienced. The least fright may cause them to leave the body, and once they have left, they are unable to find the entrance that leads back into the body. They are also apt to lose their way. Therefore during the entire winter the newborn child must not be taken out of the house, where it is under the protection of the family guardians. In case of the absolute necessity, the mother must keep it in her bosom under her coat, and must not take it out when in a strange house. Only after the spring equinox the child may be taken out of the house safely. The after birth is put in a bag and hung on a pole some distance away from the village.

i found this i i hope this helps a little.me persanal i belive a soul can be rebron as well as neborn.



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No matter what you believe religiously at some point thousands of years ago there were 2 people DNA proves this as we all have common strands. That means at that point there were 2 human souls on the earth. Now there are over 6billion people on the earth and thus over 6billion human souls. If everyone had a reborn, recycled or reincarnated soul this is impossible. If a person had to die before another could be born the population would still be 2. I believe each soul is unique as it is comprised of a small piece of the soul from both parents. The memories that seem to be from a past are more likely an ancestral memory.



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You cant have a reborn soul without having a new born soul at least once.... something has to be born before it can be reborn.



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I like the idea of recylcing. Seems a shame to waste good energy,so why not come on down again & try to get it right,learn new. So newborn & reborn are mixed ,its so much nicer & better way to learn. Old helps young, young helps old.



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i tend to think that most of our spirits are reborn .... i have memories of being hung the branch breaking and drowning.... and well obviously that hasn't happened yet ..... lol.... but on that same note what happens when we have learned all we can learn.... we must retire to let a new spirit come forth in to this world we call home....



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PaganPrincessAdina, evildollbj, and wolvie, Thanks for the responses and the points that you have made. All are what I have been looking for in answers. Thanks for bringing up the good points.



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They arent exactly either. Each new life, in my point of view, is a bunch of energy that has transfixed on the fetus. Its not just from one source, its a build up of many souls so to speak. We are all together and apart.



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I do agree with the posts that say that we are both newborn and reborn souls. As many has pointed out that we had to originate at some point...so it does make sense that we would be both newborn and re-born.

I also liked the post of the possibility of ancestral memories...I could see that being possible. The dream I had that is a remembered past life could have possibly been one of my ancestors as it took place in Scotland where they are from.



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There are obviously more people in the world now than there were when the world began. So hopefully meaning more souls as well. I don't believe every soul is a new born one though, like the phrase "you have an old soul." I really had to think about this one, but I think that either 1) both happen, new born and reborn or 2) people who claim to have no soul, actually don't... and then we're are still circulating the same old souls. Honestly my beliefs fall more on the first option I named.



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I believe in new then reincarnation. Kind of like a dollar bill.



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I believe in both new born an reborn souls. I have known/know others who feel that they are new to this world an that they never have any fimilar sensations.

I myself feel that I am an old soul. I can feel it in me that I am not new to this planet. Sometimes when I visit places I get this really strange feeling that I have been there before.



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vamp345 -


Are you sure they're memories? Couldn't they just be .. perhaps, dreams?



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Personally I don't believe in souls. If it were something tangible that I could see with my own eyes or touch, if I could compress it to form a liquid like can be done with air, I might believe it exists.

On the other hand, hypothetically speaking, if a soul did exist, I would imagine that it would be part of a larger pool or ocean which surrounded the planet and from that the soul is derived made up of countless other souls then mixed up and a new 'chunk' of soul is placed into a new life form. In that case, the soul material is recycled in a way. So that would produce a new soul each time. Having an identical soul would be an infinite to one chance. :)



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Jens...I like your hypothesis on what you believe about the souls being like a part of the ocean and mixing together and regenerating a "new" soul from the mix...very interesting and thought provoking..thank you!



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I happen to believe it's both: new and recycled.



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I believe it has alot to do with what you believe in as to new-souls or reborn-souls

to me a reborn soul is reincarnation of another that has passed on, which I feel is totally possible because I have dreams of things in the past as I lived before.. so I do believe in this

where a new souls is one that is waitng to be born unto a human being .. I always think of that movie by Shirley Temple *Blue Bird* :) LOL where all these people and babies and kids are in heaven waiting to be born into a human body they are all new souls LOL

why can it not be both I feel that once a soul has actually completed its journey then, it just become energy and leaves the body.. just how I look at it.




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HerAshes -


Is that even possible? How can a soul be new, yet recycled at the same time?



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well I think Warriorinhell described it well as for as being New Born or an old *used * soul and I agree with what you said... we have Old Souls and New Souls...



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I think we have both myself. as i believe in reincarnation but also believe that new souls come down also.



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New born souls...a soul has to start somewhere right? Upon creation it is new and as the body that carries it dies it is sent where ever await rebirth...if that is what you believe in. Some souls probably are "retired" after awhile, for good deeds or just to pull a soul of the so called market.
But I do believe in rebirth or reincarnation of a soul. You can be reborn...old souls are out there but so are new ones. One life my not be enough for some to accomplish their mission in this life and has to be carried onto the next.



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And where would a soul actually wait to be reborn, can it be reborn right away. What does it become? Can I die and become a Lion?



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Distortion- Think of it like plastic. You can make new ones and recycle them. :)



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I'm going to refer to Hindu belief. Their religion states that reincarnation happens when the soul hasn't completed all of it's goals. A soul can be reincarnated several times before it's goals are completed, only then may it accend to Heaven.



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Leopard -


Then it's not technically new, it's still been used before.



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HHW, In some religions yes, you can die and be reborn as a another creature or animal. I have a firend who is Hindu and that is one of their beliefs. For the most part that is why they are not meat eaters. They eblieve that they can die and be reborn as a cowl.



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I'm an old soul. I found out that I've been through 11 lives and I've met with people that were in my past lives like their souls anyways like my mother and boyfriend. With my boyfriend and I, we're had the same amount of lives, and we I met him I was like ' i know you other than like YOU you. Where have you been'

There are always new and reborn souls. I think that new souls take the place of souls that are done with what they have learned in life and move on.



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Very much sounds like re-incarnation to me.

But I do know someone who experienced somthing smiliar.
A good friend of mines grandfather had to have major heart surgery. They were really close and he always said if anything happened to him he wanted to come back as a butterfly.
During the operation a butterfly was at her window, like a moth to a light it was banging against the glass.
He died on the operating table.
Maybe a coincidence, but I thought it had a touching side to it.



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My belief has always been that souls are reborn and some are 'newly born'.

There are times when you come across people in life that just seem way older beyond their years. It's not anything they look like or what they know, you can just see and feel it. Especially when looking in their eyes. They have lived though many lessons and have knowledge that some do not understand.

The same goes with those who have 'new souls'.

Both new and older souls go through life lessons; trials and tribulations, if you will. They have things to learn through each life they live. If they do not learn that lesson when their time has ended then they repeat the same lessons until they understand the meaning of it.

Once you've learned the lessons of life then you have a choice to come back or not.

Whether what I believe is true or not, it give me comfort and peace. It helps me to not fear death as just the end of all ends and be consumed in total blackness.
The darkness doesn't scare me, but thinking that after death there is absolutely nothing does.



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I belive the majority is a soul that is reborn,
I like to think we keep comming back to learn more.
Or if we mess up we get a chance to do it right.



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i know i am an old soul, reborn. and ladylyssa is a new born soul. i know that probably doesnt help, but i found it very interesting when it was explained to me. lol



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That is the belief that I carry as well Listless. I believe that there are old souls or reborn and new souls.

Yes Kaynan it does sound like reincarnation.

I Have enjoyed everyones post in the thread and have learned a lot from all of you. Thanks for posting.



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I believe that souls can be reborn, and occasionaly they are newly created..... mainly within the people who are pretty vacant.

With some people it is obvious they have been here before, they are older than their years, and are old spirits, possibly on their last or close to their last reincarnation before they move on to heaven, or what ever you believe in.

I even believe that animals can have human souls. I believe it is because loved ones want a way to be with us when they pass, but dont want the commitment of a human body, so choose an animal host, so that they dont have aslong to wait to move on again, but will be closer to the time we all move on, as I also believe that some families are together for all eternity.



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Let me just say, that when mom passed away, a friend of the family was in the hospital in labor, and soon delivered a healthy baby girl.
So it seems that when a person dies, it is to make room for the newborns.
I would also like to say, my neice Sonya who is now 8 months old, has her grannies deep brown eyes, and temper to boot!! So Cheetah, when you see Sonya again, you'll understand what I mean. lol



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I have spent quite some time watching this thread and have come to the conclusion that there is no right or wrong answer. Everybody speculates, regardless of faith, age or otherwise. If you claim to do more than that, you are walking a fine line between serious psychological dysfunction and some notion of divinity.

Beyond that, I hoped to challenged those left reading my response. What if there was a possibility that every soul was both a new born and a reborn. An old soul and a new soul at once.

If you can consider that your soul is a capsule of your mind, talents, preferences, personality and consciousness, and it is an immortal energy, (as suggested by science, energy is niether created or destroyed) it leaves you with an infinite amount of speculation as to what occurs beyond death.

It is my current understanding that after life, death is the liberation of your soul energy into a world beyond our own. Call it the after life, call it heaven or hell. I don't really care. What ever you call it, chances are we are talking about the same thing.

After this energy is release, it reforms as a whole. Every soul that has passed into this next world is united to form a great and incomprehensive mass of spiritual energy. A soul of souls, if you will. A Well of Lifeforce that fuels the life of the world, the environment, etc.

When this 'absolution' occurs, if you will, everything that defines you as an individual, is broken down into key elements and absorbed by this great well of spiritual energy. You are lost. There is nothing left for you, there is nothing left to define you.

When a new soul is created or is formed, it is an assembly of characteristics that rise from this well. Essentially, every soul is different and therein, new as an individual combination of characteristics from this pool. However, it could also be called old or recycled, just the same.

The term of an 'old soul' that has been used throughout this post, could be described as an anomalie, where certain characteristics prefer to be united with certain others in the creation of your particular soul. ie. perhaps genuine kindness likes to pair with a humanitarian interest, the love of animals and pacificism.

At the end of the day, I am not pushing this. It is just an idea that I thought I would introduce to the topic. Take it or leave it.


I wish you great fortune with all your endeavors.
Daeg.



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You know an old soul when you meet them. There is an inner strength that can't be fully explained. Although many will have souls thats been around for a long time, there are "new" souls. "New", being created when this particular Universe was created. You will find them mostly in the third and forth world countries. Step back and take a causal look into their eyes and behavior. Its sort of the same with the old souls, more of a feeling. In this case ... of innocence. Its no wonder that they have been named, "The Holy Innocent Ones."
Another secret for you all. Also, no new or daily souls get created.



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An inner strength that not only is seen but is often taken as something different then most would see it Billy. Like you said you can see it in the eyes and when you get them talking that adds mosre to the old soul.

Thanks for your response Daeg. You are right there is no right or wrong answer within this thread.



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My opinion:

The ancestors watch over us, that is their role as spirits. those that die in protection of others, go to valhalla. those that die of evil means go to niflhel, those that die of neither go to a "paradise" all of which can be contacted as ancestoral spirits, within definition of course.

again that was my opinion, and does no reflect any other person or group.



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If there is such a thing as a soul, which I'm loathe to say, then I would bet on a mix of new and old.



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I believe souls would be a mixed and old. It would be a cycle of birth and rebirth of some souls with old souls being retired for lack of better word and new souls being issued into the cycle



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My thought is that souls are both newborn and reborn.
Wouldn't this explain why the earths population is increasing.



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I believe that after you die you go on to summerland. Here you are able to choose if you would like to stay or if you would like to be reborn.

Going along these lines - you could have a new soul or an old soul.

Sometimes you can look at a baby and see they resemble an old person - usually you will see a "knowing" look in their eyes - we have always thought them to be old souls. Some ways to know if you have an old soul would be if you had vivid dreams as a child of a past life, or met somebody and felt you knew them even though you know you never met before. If you know another Wiccan who is good at palm reading they can tell you how manty times you have been here before, although this is not my forte.



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i hope noone already posted this but....
if you look at the numbers of people that have lived and died...and look at the current population of the earth, you may be led to the conclusion (like myself) that new souls must be "minted" all the time. seems like it would be very easy to encounter new souls....it might even explain the total lack of interest in tradition, history, etc found in many people.



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I think it is a newborn.. I think that for every death in the females side of the family you are granted na certain number of new life...



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I believe the soul can be reborn, there obviously are more newborn souls, but I have had dreams about past lives that are too vivid, and give me information that you can't even find in any history books. Also I think that you can be reborn if you either didn't acomplish all you were sent to do in one life, or if you did you are given a choice of wether you want to go back or not.



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I think it falls into both. As the soul passes from one life form to another it is new to that life form however it would have memiors of the last life form and as such be reborn. I believe it is recienation as well.



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16:20:36 Nov 26 2008
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I think the soul is passed on which I believe would place it as a reborn.



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17:54:15 Nov 26 2008
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i think that souls are reborn my example being my step niece died one minute before my daughter was born and the father is really close to my daughter cause he says he looks at my daughter and interacts with her it is like it is his daughter



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02:56:28 Nov 28 2008
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ive done alot of reading on the subject and at least for me, i think that reincarnation is a fact. there is too much evidence to say that it isnt possible. that said, a soul my have certain traits, and among those traits is perhaps vampirism. just my thoughts tho, so of coarse your mileage may vary.



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05:18:50 Nov 28 2008
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I think that it is possible to have reborn souls, and new souls. Because there are some people that everything is new to them in this life. I on the other had remember thing that I have never done in this life. I remember several deaths, and many other things. So I think both are possible.



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VR System
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