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So, the folklore says blessed water is the equivalent to hydrochloric acid...sorry. I have difficulty going along with that. In fact, ditto for garlic. Anyone one to explain a better theorem rather than refurbished old wives tales? It should be interesting to see how may variations we can come up with; and of those, how many carry the remote bit of possibility (ha).

Well the concept stems from the folklore of a vampire being damned before god. Therefore any holy relic (crosses, holy water, etc) were a painful recognition and physically damaging proof of the power of god against the damned.

One could argue and I believe this has been used in some film and fiction, that a vampire would have to believe in that religion or the power of that religious item in order for it to work on them. So a Jewish vampire might not recognize the validity of holy water and thereby remain unaffected by it. In that vein, an atheist would be unaffected by any religious symbols or artifacts.

once again felix i think youve already summed it up for everyone else...... you would have to believe for the power to work against you.......

This is true with any icon you have to give it power for it to have power. If you dont believe in it how can it possably harm you.

I would suppose that coincides with the Stigmata. If one believes deeply enaugh that one is injured, the body takes damage.

none of it's true there's not much that can hurt us. Ive did these things up close and very personal. I think it's all in ones mind and how strong that person is .

Right. Belief is what creates the injury...

Well that's only half of my point...the other was in fact that if the vampire was truly 'damned by god', then god (if he were real...and catholic) would bestow certain powers on his symbols to drive back the damned and show the faithful their rightousness in the face of evil :)

The only thing that can harm you is what you let harm you. all the old symbels only had power if the vampire belived they could hurt them. well that is what I belive anyway.

is holy water used by christians as well as catholics? i wonder where through out history that the vampires hated religious symblos, and i highly doub they would affect them

I think holy water is holy shiznit.
Holy water theoretically would only work against something satanic and.. unholy.
I've never seen anything that says VAMPIRES ARE FROM SATAN HIMSELF.

Yes, I agree with the general theorum of belief creating the wound on whichever level you believe it consequently qould.

However, the basic rules that one may adopt for what is real and what is the unrea is that you acknowledge it, and tht a second party also acknowledges it.

So can we perhaps say that there is a possibility from this that if a person believes that Holy water is dangerous to them, but someone else could see no detremental effect whatsoever, that this would not be a "real" affect?

I personally do not believe in religious artifacts having any affect beyond the psychological, if desired.

Echo said, "I personally do not believe in religious artifacts having any affect beyond the psychological, if desired".

Then you are likely not religious :)

Raziel - I'm not sure...I just know that Catholics are the most well known for their use of 'holy' artifacts and the ability for a catholic priest to bless anything and make it holy.

RosemaryRain - most old folklore on vampires equated them with being unholy or damned (so maybe not from satan but working for him). Fiction of course allows for any interpretation. Didn't Van Helsing say, "She is a bitch of Satan! A whore of the Devil!" or some such phrase in Dracula (1992)?

:-) yes, thats true. ALthough hypothetically, if I was to be religious, and someone equally religious as myself happened to be a scientist, and in the same room as me when I was doused with Holy Water... and I believed completely that it had had some physical affect on my body, and got the scientist to run tests on me and see no affects whatsoever, is this reality as I believe it so strongly?

I am asking whether the second person perspective is relevant in a psychological belief system....

i don tthink it was thing such as blessd water, im lean more towards it was natural chemicals, allergies asocitated with them and so on..just my thoughts on the matter.

Echo - in principle the idea is that if you did believe in the danger of holy relics, you could in fact feel pain if not literally cause damage to yourself. If your religion demanded belief in certain mystical aspects of relics (like the actual transformation of the communion into the body and blood of christ as in catholicism) and you also thought that you were damned and therefore repelled by these things, you could supposedly cause a physical reaction in your own body by the power of your belief. This would be regardless of secondary observers.

Yes but Shyloc, in direct address to Holy Water, the process is a "blessing"- which is entirely metaphysical rather than chemical...

The Catholic church has been doing exorcism for hundreds of years using relics such as the cross, the rossary, and holy water. Many believe that the ceremony in conjunction with the holy objects are able to repeal demonic spirits.

In recent history, other denominations of Christianity have begun doing exorcisms as well. I am not sure what all objects are used during there ceremonies, but evangelicals and protestants do try and forcibly remove the demon from within.

i think felix pretty much summed it all up.. the whole holy water thing is just some bible thumper back in the old days thinking that a vampire was damned therefore weak against anything holy... just some priest or something making assumptions. typical throughout history

i agree with everyone else. if you believe it can hurt you it will. buut what happens if you came a cross someone who has never been taught anything about any religion. will the cross and holy water still work? i dont think so. if they are not taught of such things, then how would they know?

If we believe that symbols (holy water, crosses etc) are useless unless the demonic host believes in Christianity... are exoricism (and demonic possesions) purely mental?

hmmm... water is just water.

Meeper - one could suppose that your power of belief acts as a talisman to give focus to your intentions and to make an exorcism work on a demon even if he/she/it doesn't believe in your talisman. This would be best expressed in native american mysticism wherein a spirit need not be native american in order to be cast out of a host.

Well, for just water the power of feeling protected is priceless I suppose.

Another way to look at the power/myths of such items as holy water and crosses is to look at what it is curing or helping.

I believe these objects are a tool for conversions and increased believers in the respected faith. the idea that satan is a demon that can posses human unless taking proper steps, is perhaps just a scare tactic to insure believers to be faithful. For the scare tactic to work, there must be examples of it working.. Sure enough, one out the 200 blessed with holy water recovers from illness. Or perhaps there is an dramatic exorcism that is made into a spectacle where many watch as the demon is forced out of the possessed...

if people witness the power of that particular faith it can convert many or use fear to keep believers faithful...

it also invests the clergy with the power to declare who is possessed and who is not. for instance the witch trails that still go on in some parts of the world today... Historically this was a way for the Catholic church to exert power and influence. By subjecting most notably women to scurtiny if they did not fall within the framework of how the Church viewed womens role at the time...

I know I have strayed some from the topic, but I think it is worthwhile to discuss why the cross and holy water are and have been used and what the outcomes have been...

I think you would have to believe it could hurt you in order for it to do so.

Trying to seriously explain fictional characteristics given a particular entity via some semblance of logic and reason has me questioning the capacity for same of those participating in the exercise.

This so reminds me of the popular stop-motion Christmas children's movie, "When Santa Claus Comes to Town". The premise of this movie is to provide children an explanation for all the Santa Claus myths that have developed over centuries of storytelling (e.g., how Santa got his name, why he wears a red suit, why he delivers toys, how the reindeer learned to fly, why he rides in a sleigh, why he goes down chimneys).

Now here we are as rational adults trying to invent similar fanciful explanations for such fictitious vampire characteristics as why they supposedly fear holy water and garlic.

Whereas "When Santa Claus Comes to Town" at least can be excused for its appeal to children, there is no good explanation why adults should so cling to vampire fictions as to devote time to inventing equally fanciful explanations for fictions at least as ridiculous re: vampires.

Where there is folklore there are going to be discrepancies. I think Felix said it best in saying that it stems from the belief that Vampires came from a fall of grace from God. As this is merely lore there is no factual basis for it. I know that I can eat garlic and even drink holy water. There is no factual basis for these comments that I have found.

Much as I love Felix's posts, I'm going to have to contradict him and the multitudes who have agreed with him here. The idea is that holy water and religious artifacts have an actual physical effect on the demonic creatures that vampires are believed to be. It is not a matter of whether they believe or not.

The Catholic Church and those of the Christian faith are fully convinced that there is only one God and this god is all powerful. This god is seemingly willing to lend 'his' power to 'his' servants in order to drive off the demonic hosts and the unbelievers. This is specifically stated in the big book of god related things we call the Bible. Historically, Christians tended to believe what it said was the truth.

This involves (among other things) God smiting people who did not believe and defied 'him', and giving 'his' people the power to do so in 'his' stead. In myth, this results in the horrible screaming re-death of the undead creatures that rise from their graves to drink the blood of the living.
Keep in mind, if you aren't rising from any graves, drinking only blood to survive, or burning to death in sunlight, this doesn't refer to you. Many of the other vampire expelling ideas were just superstition, like knocking on wood, or placing holly around doors and windows to keep out evil spirits.

By the by, you can argue political motivations and scare tactics all you like, but damned if you'll find any difference in any other religion or political system in the world. The Catholics just got a lot bigger than most.

I agree with felix too. i think it would only work if u believed it would

I dont belive in holy water but my cloths belive in holy acid

Is the title of this post truely not offense to some of you?...I know there are Catholics here.

I get the holy water concept but I never understood where the whole garlic crap came from. that is just funny to me.

I'm a catholic and no the title doesn't bother me. Life's too short to worry about small things like that. I never got the garlic thing either. My husband used to say how can you eat garlic, I thought you were a vampire. I looove garlic on absolutely everything. Maybe its because garlic was bitter and everything bitter was either good for you or good against evil.

I dont understand the sliver bullet concept either I have heard it both for vampires and werewolves... or the stake in the heart... I mean what is the origin of these? What I want to know is, where did the whole theory behind holy water in general come from, not just its use on vampires but its use in general.. where did the catholic faith get that from? I smell a research topic.... :)

In the Catholic church, holy water is used to bless someone with the goodness of God. An evil entity would not want to be blessed and so would be repelled by holy water. Vampires were seen as an evil entity. They were corpses inhabited by evil demons. Upon using the holy water, the demons would flee and the corpse would distintegrate upon the demon's departure. At least this is what I learned in sunday school.

Silver is often associated with the moon, in religions and astrology. And werewolves are, as we all know, also associated with the moon.
Don't know the relation to vampires. There may be none, only a fault appearing in later fiction.

I think the garlic came from the chinese to be honest. in buddism garlic and onions are not allowed. as they are putrid spices and attract spirits.

No. It does not have to be a rational fear. Claustrophobia is completely irrational. Nothing about confined spaces is dangerous. Clowns are not scarier than other people. Mice do not tear your head off.
If the fear of something is in your head, it can grow to an irrational absolute. Being terrified of a spider is no different from being terrified of a crucifix.

a thought for you. if putrid spices attract spirits would that not aid the vampire with sight or even dream skills to find you. maby these things were made up by vampires them selves.
just a thought.

holy water, garlic were used to soften the belief in the monsters theyare to pritect humans from.

I understand what Holy water is used for, but my question is where did it begin? When did it begin to be used and what was the first trackable theory behind it?

in order for anything like that to work...the creature like a vampire would have to be of the same religion, haha so what if its a budist vampire? a catholic symbol cant hurt it....it makes no sense i agree that its just superstition and you have to really belive in it for it to hurt you as was mentioned somewhere above this comment

Great feedback ; insulting or otherwise...LOL
If there any folklore you'd pay credence to?

i don't really believe alot of the stories surrounding vampires.. like the stake in the heart.. come on now.. a stake in the heart would kill anything.. decapitation...same thing..... garlic.. please.. silver, highly doubt it. sunlight, nope. in my eyes vampires are simply humans with a alternate taste or an affliction. i read once about ancient people who actually had a disorder that made them have larger than normal canines and incisors, and had a "disease" in their blood causing them to need transfusion of some form... even some that had ill effects to sunlight because their skin could process sunlight like others could.. essentially they just burned easier... not burst into flames. all depends on what you care to believe...to each their own

I agree with all of you that a symbol or say things such as crosses, garrlic, holy water, etc. can only have power over you if you give into that wise tales crap. Come on it's a whole new century of vampires, something only has power over you if you let it.

"Holy water" is biologicaly, or chemicaly no different than any other water......thank goodness I can sleep at night knowing this.

Faith is faith.

C2D,
The general gist of holy water is that it is sacramental...it recalls the sacrament of baptism. In Catholic rituals there are 4 different types of holy water: 1) Baptismal holy water (chrism...(annointing oil) added to the water 2) holy water per se...the water that most are familiar with...it is usually found in the stoup once you walk in the door...it is most often used in blessings and aspersions (group blessings or drops on the head) 3) Gregorian water...mixed with several other things is used to consecrate churches and 4) Easter water which is specially blessed for Easter Sunday.


http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/things/holy_water.htm

"The ritual of consecrating holy water traditionally is performed on Holy Saturday and during the vigil of Pentecost. Once consecrated, more ordinary water can be added to the supply of holy water, and the entire quantity of water remains consecrated provided that the amount added is less than the amount of water that was there. Holy water can in fact be consecrated upon any day in the liturgical calendar except Easter Sunday and Pentecost itself. The ritual of preparing holy water is itself in form an exorcism; the priest first exorcises the salt, and then the water itself; the traditional Latin formula for exorcising and blessing the water is:

Exorcizo te, creatura aquæ, in nomine Dei Patris omnipotentis, et in nomine Jesu Christi, Filii ejus Domini nostri, et in virtute Spiritus Sancti: ut fias aqua exorcizata ad effugandam omnem potestatem inimici, et ipsum inimicum eradicare et explantare valeas cum angelis suis apostaticis, per virtutem ejusdem Domini nostri Jesu Christ: qui venturus est judicare vivos et mortuos et sæculum per ignem.

I exorcise thee in the name of God the Father almighty, and in the name of Jesus Christ His Son, our Lord, and in the power of the Holy Ghost, that you may be able to put to flight all the power of the enemy, and be able to root out and supplant that enemy and his apostate angels; through the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will come to judge the living and the dead and the world by fire.

Deus, qui ad salutem humani generis maxima quæque sacramenta in aquarum substantia condidisti: adesto propitius invocationibus nostris, et elemento huic, multimodis purificationibus præparato, virtutem tuæ benedictionis infunde; ut creatura tua, mysteriis tuis serviens, ad abigendos dæmones morbosque pellendos divinæ gratiæ sumat effectum; ut quidquid in domibus vel in locis fidelium hæc unda resperserit careat omni immunditia, liberetur a noxa. Non illic resideat spiritus pestilens, non aura corrumpens: discedant omnes insidiæ latentis inimici; et si quid est quod aut incolumitati habitantium invidet aut quieti, aspersione hujus aquæ effugiat: ut salubritas, per invocationem sancti tui nominis expetita, ab omnibus sit impugnationibus defensa. Per Dominum, amen.

God, Who for the salvation of the human race has built your greatest mysteries upon this substance, in your kindness hear our prayers and pour down the power of your blessing into this element, prepared by many purifications. May this your creation be a vessel of divine grace to dispel demons and sicknesses, so that everything that it is sprinkled on in the homes and buildings of the faithful will be rid of all unclean and harmful things. Let no pestilent spirit, no corrupting atmosphere, remain in those places: may all the schemes of the hidden enemy be dispelled. Let whatever might trouble the safety and peace of those who live here be put to flight by this water, so that health, gotten by calling Your holy name, may be made secure against all attacks. Through the Lord, amen.
These prayers and exorcisms show the uses and powers that have been attributed to holy water in Roman Catholic tradition."


Hope this helps with your questions. =)

IMHO For the holy water to work either as a weapon against unholy things, or to make people who are bothered by unholy things feel better, then there has to be belief. I think this is how voodoo works as well.

The person who is throwing the water around, more so at exorcisms and other ceremonies, also believes in the water's effects/ It allows a way for that persons faith (energy ?) to be channelled to the task.

I can understand the garlic thing for the blood drinking type vampire. Garlic travels in the blood until it oozes out of every pore. The blood is pretty much polluted by it.

As for the silver bullet or stake through the heart, cutting off the head or ripping out the heart - if you thought a person was a vampire and did any of the above, you would kill them - that's f'sure

It appears likely that it was a myth created to encourage people to have faith in God by offering them some protecting from 'evil'.

As an aside, although it is clearly not effective in real life as it is in films, my friend dipped my hands in it in a church in Italy to see if it would burn me and all my nail polish started to come off.

i agree with stabb666 it comes within the "age" of god, and holy water in most films are used i think they need to try a new concept at killing us vampires lol.

I believe it depends upon what the individual believes in. I also think that Hollywood has helped out quite abit with myths and legends etc.. and has enhanced them.

in all truth holey watter and other things have no effect on us one person tryed to through holley watter on me and i asked said person if i needed a bath in trouth alot of things come from misunderstanding what they do not understand they try to kill or explane away perhaps one day they will understand we could onley hope so

Interesting perspective Stabb.

I think water is also symbolic of life. It is something that we all must have for existance in this lifetime, and the church altered it to help with afterlife.

I love garlic so does that not make me a vampire? Most of this is purely B.S. and myth by those who do not know us or want to understand.

Hey now, try not to get so offended everyone. Unless you have a death certificate, you aren't the kind of vampire these things are supposed to repel. They are a myth. You are real people. There is a difference. As to holy water, I think it's origins have to do with the fact that Catholics can and have blessed all sorts of things. However, if you bless a symbol it can only protect you while you're wearing it. If you bless water, you can splash it all over things and they stay protected. It is a way of passing the blessing on to the person or object it is used on, even if the person doing the blessing is no longer there.

Although I am not religious I do beleive in the power of faith in some people
If they truly believe in something it can have a chemical reaction in their body that can have physiological results.
The placebo effect is an example.
Just my opinion

holy water, garlic,crusifixes, basicly it all translates down to this hollywood bullshit

Oh man, holy water and crosses scared me before I ever figured out that I was a vampire. I hate Catholicism. It's just a scary religion.

As far as the holy relics doing damage to vampire...well, I think that those things do mental damage to anyone who believes in them. Sorry, just my opinion.

Garlic...I don't know why that came about, and think it's completely silly. LOL

when someone has a demon inside them sapposably water burns them. but what happens to someone thats a satinist? nouthing. thats what.

yep I agree that water will not hurt but if its from the lord himself from heaven, it will hurt according to the bible.

Dark Greeting's,
As one of my proffessors said there is a grain of truth in every myth,wives tale ect.Like everyone said only if you believe it will it hurt you as for Garlic,I feel vampires started that as Garlic is one of the best blood Purfiers you can use.Just my 2 cents worth.
Dark Blessing's,
KA
Proud Member Of The House Of Nocturnal Retribution

From what I've been reading, garlic was considered to be a kind of multi-purpose evil repellent. Vampires, werewolves, demons, all forms of evil were kept away by garlic. It seemingly had something to do with it's medicinal properties, as has already been mentioned. This was, of course, at a time when all maladies were believed to have been caused by evil spirits, rather than bad conditions and poor hygiene.

I think perhaps there was something that could drive back evil however some where down the road there was a type-o made not to over-simplify however maybe it was something altogether different that could have started with a g or perhaps been a completely different thing but got mixed up over time,

Like many other things..If you believe so much...it makes it so.

I think that FelixFelix said it best from the start! You have to believe in it to be affected by it!
raziel~ yes holy water is used in lots of other forms of christianity, not just catholic! There are many that perform baptism. Just to make sure I was right, I looked up baptism in the dict. it came up talking about christianity, but did not specify catholics, or even mention catholics!
crossoflorraine1~ I'm with you on that one..I didn't like the title of the post that much either, but to each his own I guess!

it's really just a perfect example of mind over matter.if you believe in the power of it,it will become real to you.you can make your self physically ill if you think you are sick,even if there is truly nothing wrong with you.just ask any hypochondriac!!!

Thank you Sevenn and STABB666 for helping me out with that. I am going to research a bit and see if I can find where it first started and if I can come up with anything I will be sure to post it here for all to read. :)

in the Doctor Who episode "Curse of Fenric", the Doctor explained that vampires are repelled and weakened by the psychic emanations of faith - so holy water only works if the user has faith. the vicar's crusifix failed because he had lost his faith, but the communist's star of Lenin worked, because he had faith in the revolution.

I belive it to be a bunch of hog wash.

I prefer my holy water on holy ice with a twist of sacred lime.

well holy water is blessed by God . Vampires are not . So it depends on your own belief in the folk lore

Holy water is blessed by a priest, not God...a man.

Your sneeze may be blessed by me, but I still wouldn't suggest trying to immolate someone by allergy...holy or otherwise.

well, vampires are tended to be thought of as creatures damned before God. therefore, and holy relics such as holy water are to result in pain as the rejection of the lord to the damned creautures.

as for the garlic, ya that one sounds a bit ridiculous. someone just wanted a way to feel protected.

Well, garlic may actually be the least ridiculous of them all. Well-known in folklore as an agent to repel mosquitos, garlic made perfect sense when applied to a vampire, another who bit and fed on blood.

There are other theories, but that's my personal, most plausible fave. Still works today...you can find natural garlic-based mosquito repellents. Here's a little info:
garlic repellent Nifty, huh?

You have to believe in a holy relic for it have any power against you.

i just think its all a bunch of crap....that if it has any kind of affect towards someone it is all in their own head.......(and oh the things your own mind can do to you...)

I have a hard time believing that something that was supposed to be known for its pureness would be compared to hydrachloric acid. i find this a strange concept

holy water is just that water blessed by a preist

but what if the priest who blessed it was a sinner? would it still work, would it be holy? a lot of priests are paedophiles, i can't imagine their blessing would count for much.

LOL so true karnstein

i doubt anything that is considered holy is truely pure.....

Well i know it's been said, but i to believe that if you but enough faith into something i might be possiable to be that powerful, but you have to have absolut faith in it, if there is even a shred of doubt forget it

By Christian definition, man is a sinner; this includes priests. Soooooo, all holy water is blessed by sinners.

No because priests have to undergo confession before blessing anything. Confession and contrition cleans man completely of sin until the man commits a sin.

well i think that if you believe holy water can hurt you than its just the minds perception rather than truth or reality.. water is really just water... even if someone says it is blessed it is up to the other persons will and mind to believe so.

therefore i don't believe it can hurt me, so it must only be the minds perception between reality and belief.

thats bull water is water and asid is asid so i dont know what it is tha the breast did to the water but they did some thingto it!

breasty water? what did I miss?!?

The holyness of holy water is indeed in question, as it is for the most part a catholic practice. Catholic priests' sinful acts are protected from law by the Crimen Sollicitationis, and are protected from Hell by the confession of the sin.
Crimen Sollicitationis is in effect when priests have sinful (and illegal) sexual relations, and the rule is endorsed by the Popes (and was polished by the current one, in fact).

One could dispute the validity of both shields. If the organisation as a whole is tainted, their blessings should as well be.

You walk on holy water, CTyler!

it was another old wives tale to give power to the churches...

another warped view from you science geek

I wonder if you were to distill holy water would it still be holy.
If you were to drink it would your piss be holy.
if you were to use a desalenation apparatis on a priests piss would that be holy water after all is not the priest blessed.
when does the water stop being holy.
if you were to mix it with say 1 part tap water and 1 part holy water does that make it half as holy. or just not holy at all.
and last but not least if you freeze it do you have holy ice.

of course if some of these were true especialy the desalination we could make all sorts of waters. satanic water from a satanist vampiric water from a vampire even buddist water from a buddist. the list goes on. I wonder if we drunk political water would we all talk shit.
woops I had some of that just before ;)

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This has to go with one of the posts posted earlier. you can learn to live through pain. you allow the pain to be nothing in your head and soon after you have forgotten about pain you can harm yourself without feeling a thing. There are people who can shove needles into their arms and feel nothing of it. their faces show no emotion. and then there are some who have cut their fingers and other limbs off without even feeling a thing. Its kind of odd when you think about it. okay back onto topic. when you give something power and you believe in it deeply it can come true. Like with stigmata, paranormal, ect. when you believe in it so much it can come true like how Rod Ferell believed that the vampires were talking to him in the game he made them real in his head and he changed himself into a vampire. well he believed himself to be a vampire and gave himself the name of a vampire.

very well put still im in for some rich and sucessfull water bring it on.

Vampiriclove...that was almost profound. I like your statement, "when you give something power."

Well-said.

yeah i didnt want it to be to over the edge but i have read some cases from a website where someone can withstand a action being done to their body. my ex could stick a needle all the way through his skin and pull it out without showing any emotion or saying anything it was odd. Holy water if you believe in it would take form and be a strong use, like with crosses as well, but that may not be true. Im sure you do not have to have absolute faith in something for it work.

CTyler, I hardly think that you have the right to judge every single individual on the basis of what their peers have done. That sounds a lot like prejudice to me. Furthermore, 'blessings' cannot be entirely disregarded on the basis that the person wishing the blessing may have sinned, because it is not that person's blessing that is being given. It is God's.

The idea is that the priest is asking God to bless someone or something, and that God will give this person's request more consideration because of their holiness and general devotion. But anyone can ask for a blessing. You may not have noticed, but people do a lot of that. Praying, saying grace, saying 'bless you' when people sneeze, it's all perfectly allowed.

Whether this has any affect is anyone's guess, but at least take note of the guidelines before commenting on them.

I truly wonder how far we could take that idea. It has the power to do wonderfull and truly wicked things :) so if I go about my rich and successfull water with true confidence that it shall work im in with a chance. problem is now that you have said that I know its just a trick of the mind and im not going to believe. damn it another idea down the drain.

bless you when you sneeze came from the black plague if you were sneezing a lot back then it ment you were a gonner so they blessed you and locked you in your house.
funny that it has stuck for so long.

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