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The Nephilim

There are many different opinions as to where and how vampires came into existence. Those who do not look to Egypt for the origin of their kind often fall back upon the Bible. The Old Testament tradition is rich in symbolism, and as one of the oldest pieces of literature known to the West, the myths of the Bible have become a potent and integral part of the Western imagination. These ancient stories still speak profoundly to a wide variety of people, and so it is no wonder that vampires as well find fertile ground for their beliefs in this ancient text.

The story of the Nephilim appeals to some vampires, and I have encountered separate groups which, independently of one
another, chose to identify their vampirism with an inheritance from the Nephilim.

The Nephilim were children of angels who came down to earth for the purpose of sleeping with the daughters of men. The children of these unions were invariably tall, strong, and especially attractive. They were skilled at many things, including magick, divination, art, music, and warfare. They stood out among the ordinary masses of humanity as great souls and leaders among men. But their arrogance prompted the God of the Old Testament to incite the
Flood and destroy them all.

Although the Nephilim are given a brief mention in the Bible, the full story of the Watcher Angels appears in an extra-Biblical text known as the Book of Enoch. The following story, told in the
narrative style of the Old Testament, was submitted by a group from the Chicago area. Although it is not a word for word interpretation
of the Enochian text, it is an interesting retelling of the ancient
tale.

The very last portion, in particular the injunction against drinking blood, is taken directly out of the Book of Leviticus.



Thus it is written in the Book of Enoch:



The sons of god looked down upon the daughters of men and they found them fair. But it was forbidden for the sons of god to leave Heaven
and walk the Earth. They were overcome with lust for the daughters of men and they greatly desired them. And so a group among themconspired to leave Heaven and go down to Earth.

They left their place from on high. They left the gates of Heaven behind them, and they descended to the Earth. Those who left the
hosts of Heaven to walk upon Earth among men became known as the Nephilim.

The Nephilim took to wife the daughters of men and they begat children upon them. And the children were part divine and partly mortal. The children grew rapidly and to great stature. Their bodies were fair and smooth of limb like their fathers, and their minds were keen. Their eyes looked upon the worlds of both Heaven and Earth. The mysteries hidden from men were revealed to their divine sight.

These children of the Nephilim were proud. They became great leaders among men. They undertook to teach their mortal brethren the secrets reserved for the gods. They taught men the art of warfare and how to make weapons in fire. They taught men how to adorn themselves. The art of cosmetics and the wearing of jewelry they taught them. They taught men the secrets of healing herbs and how to call spirits by name. They taught men how to read signs in the heaves. Various omens and divinings they taught them. They taught men how to bring forth water in the desert and how to make plants yield bountiful fruit. All the arts and the sciences which the gods had forbidden they taught to men. They taught them the secrets of living things, that the spirit
of a living body resides in its blood, and bypartaking of blood, the partaker of the blood gains the power of the creature whose life is
in the blood.

When the Lord God looked down upon the Earth, he saw men living like gods. And the Lord God grew angry. He saw that men no longer poured
the blood sacrifices upon the altar but kept the life of the blood to increase their own strength. He saw the men with the tools of the gods, making the Earth bountiful as only the gods should do. He saw them piercing the mysteries of the heavens so that their knowledge of themselves and their world rivaled that of the gods. And he saw them
with great weapons of war, weapons which only the gods kept for themselves, and he grew afraid.

The Lord God saw the children of the Nephilim amongst the children of men, teaching them. And he saw that the children of the Nephilim had
become great leaders of men. And he feared that the children of the Nephilim would lead the children of men to the very gates of Heaven to reclaim the realm forsaken by their fathers.

And so the Lord God undertook to punish the Nephilim and wipe their seed from all the Earth. Yet they had so intertwined themselves with
the children of men that nearly all men bore the Nephilim's taint. So the Lord God hardened his heart against all mankind and therefore
determined to kill every last one.

The Lord God prepared to visit a great Flood upon the Earth which would kill all living things and wash away all the works of the Nephilim. He called together the great hosts of Heaven in council
about his throne to prepare for this Flood. The heavenly hosts did not wish to see all men destroyed, and so they pleaded that one
household of men should be found and saved before the coming of the waters. The Lord God decreed that this one household must be
completely free from the Nephilim's taint, having neither lied down beside them nor learned the Nephilim's arts. This household should
still observe the blood sacrifices and must not partake of any portion of the blood for themselves. And if such a household could be
found, the Lord God allowed that they be warned.

The Lord God sent his hosts searching all the Earth for one household free of the Nephilim's taint. And they came upon the man named Noah,
and his parents and his parents before them had never lied down with one of the Nephilim. Neither had he learned of the Nephilim's arts. And Noah was faithful to his god, and he made the blood sacrifices and neither did he partake of any portion of the blood himself. And so it was determined that Noah would gather all his household to him:
his sons and his daughters, and the wives of his sons. And they were to build a great ark and gather into it seven pairs of every living creature so that the Earth would not be desolate when the waters of the Flood subsided.

So Noah gathered to him his sons and the wives of his sons. Also did he gather together his daughters. These pleaded with their father to
bring along their husbands as well. And yet the daughters of Noah were married to men who shared blood with the children of the Nephilim. And though many of the Nephilim's ways and their arts were lost amidst the Flood, even so did the line of the Nephilim live on through the children of Noah.

And when the Lord God saw that Noah and his household had survived the floodwaters, he made a covenant with him. The Lord God blessed
Noah and swore never again to doom the Earth and all of its creatures to a flood. And so that the evil of the Nephilim was truly cleansed from on the Earth, God said to Noah: "Flesh with its lifeblood still in it you shall not eat. For your own lifeblood, too, I will demand an accounting. And if anyone partakes of any blood, I will set myself against that one who partakes of blood and cut him off from among his people. Since the life of a living body is in its blood, I have made you put it on the altar, so that atonement may thereby be made for your own lives, because it is the blood, as the seat of life, that makes atonement. The blood is for the gods alone."

What's your opinion? Do you believe that the Nephilim could be the first vampires?

Another interesting theory,but I still think that they existed since life existed.Don't know why but it's like that for me.

Well it depends on which version of the Holy Texts you read. If its Hebrew, from what I was told, the Nephilim weren't much different then the normal people, only thing about them was the fact they excelled at certian tasks better then the normal people within Enoch.

- Sin

very interesting info... thanks. it sounds plausible to think that it may be the origin of vampires, but there are so many different theories about the subject one may well be as good as any other.

Indeed it is. Many different ideas and such in regards to what our orgins may have been.

- Sin

this is an interesting theory and interesting read. im still a traditional believer and think the traditional vampyres are based on the legend of vlad dracul

Interesting story. I think that is all it is though. Over the span of history many people drank blood for different reasons. This still doesn't make them vampires necessarily.

It's really hard for me to take anything from the Bible seriously. It holds no truths for me. I respect it for what it is- a book written by man for man.

I belive the early Vampire was a savage, brutal killing machine, therefor not matching the Nephilim.

Very intersting theory, it gives another topic of study for those still searching. Thanks for your work.

I think we exsisted before humans and that human still have the poeteial but no desire

the bible is well know. on a history time line it has not been around as long as other history books/text.

Yes I do. It's one of the theories that make sense to me.
I find the Book of Enoch one of the most intriguing and interesting readings about the origins of vampirism.

I wrote an article about the Watchers about 6 months ago. I have heard time and again that the Nephilim have been connected to the birth of Vampirism.

After reading quite a few interpretations of the Book of Enoch, I don't see the connection. Too many times it shows that all of the Nephilim were destroyed.

i think there is a little truth in the bible but we will never be able to know everything about his

The Nephilim have always interested me, as have content of the Book of Enoch (of which I have read bits and pieces). I am personally undecided on how I view the Bible, although my strongest feeling is that the people and, generally speaking, the events were things that really happened. The writers, however, were of the Christian faith and so the viewpoint expressed was that God was controlling these occurances.

I believe that the arrogance of the Nephilim would certainly match-up with the classic idea of vampires being arrogant creatures. As to whether they could be our ancestors, I couldn't say. But it is interesting nevertheless.

I have thought on this since my last post. Your Nephilim is the same Nefilim who is also believed to be a possible alien race. You can read up on this in "The 12th Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin. This explains the vampires from aliens theory.

If your interested in the theory of Vampires coming from aliens then you might also want to read "Children of The Matrix" by David Ickle

very interesting..there was an earlier thread on nephilim.....long long ago....but it never touched on this aspect....
since that one was concers thread I wonder what his take on this would be....

*Smiles*

I'm naturally biased against thinking they have anything at all to do with Vampires. But that's a whole other discussion.

notyoursavior wrote "The writers, however, were of the Christian faith and so the viewpoint expressed was that God was controlling these occurances."

And that is my biggest problem with the Bible. It's too biased, in my opinion. So whether or not we believe these things really happened, how are we to know what was written down from the religious point of view and what was written down from man's own point of view.

There's no way to know. And the fact that only certain Bibles contain the Book of Enoch, while others don't, gives me cause to question it even more.

I have read this aswell and to strengthen your theory. In stories of greek and roman mythology they also had stories of the breeding of man and god or in this case angel.

its very understand able and yea i do believe it but if they were all destryoed who was left

That is the problem. The Book of Enoch says that they killed each other and/or were wiped out by the great flood. So nobody was left.

People will always pick and choose from different books and annals to create who they are. Its always happened and will continue to do so. Its pretty frustrating.

Yes, it is frustrating. And it also makes it easier for disbelievers to say that these people are psychotic.

wonderful story...do i beleave it though? no. as with all things too much has been lost over the last few millenia to know a true and complete history of your people. no matter what my thughts, thank you for sharing.

i think they could be vamps...i don't sounds like wicca to me...don't know why but yeah...wiccans don't drink blood tho...hmm...my friends and i drink each other's blood a lot and yeah...we're all pretty much at the same level...so that explains that...hmm...yeah...

Nephilim-like beings were also mentioned quite often in the Epic of Gilgamesh ( which is where much of the Old testament was robbed from)...I cannot for the life of me remember what they were called by the Assyrians, but they were DEFINITELY mentioned, so did something like them exist??? yes, perhaps...there is also theories though that come from the central Asian communities of roughly the same time, as well as in SOUTH AMERICA, about very tall, light skinned, light haired, blue eyed, technologically advanced god creatures visiting them and razing villages and stealing their women....Interestingly enough, same time period were the "2nd" Caucus migrations....just a thought....

man as he was evolving came from 3 or 4 different classes of humamoids,so why should vampires come from the same root? Do you not think we also had different genuses in different parts of the world?I doubt we came from one vampiric race,but evolved different ways in different parts of the world.

Carpe Noctem,
Taliesin Dubh

only thign i will state about this the bible itself talks of false books being made to add on to the bible later in time the chapter of enoch being one of them take the chapter how you want my oppinion is it was created to draw more question to the religion however it does hold some truths of things that happened

Yeah I am not exactly down with that theory.

Very interesting thread ^_^, im still not fixed on one certain theory as to where exactly vampires derived, but this is just another to add to thought ^_^

Nephilim - Could not rule the "heavens" could not rule the underworld. Could not control themselves.


No, this is not in the mind of vampyric nature at all. It all seems contradictory in its very nature.

Nephelim weren't really vampires. They are quite different from vampires. As you see, they were childeren devoted to man, and god. While Most vampires despise him, and drink and create more to mock god and his forsakening of their kind. Nephelim still roam, just as Vampires do. The blood is much more Diluted but still there and the abilities still live deep in their bloodline. Only concentration and will can bring it forth.

Interesting discussion. It's an idea I have looked at before, but I can't really say I agree with it completly.

While it could fit to some degree and would answer some of the questions concerning vampyric origin, there are too many things that just do not match up to this being the true origins of vampires. Or at the very least not the only one.

Possible yes, but hardly provable I think.

Forgive me if i'm stepping on anyone's toes, but I've always seen vampirysm as a condition that inevitably can lead to a variety of different vampires. A bioogical thing that can be broken down scientifically. Perhaps even a symbiosis? a symbiotic relationship between a human body and mind and that of an advanced Microscopic organism also capable of complex thought. just a poke at maybe why or what things are

Cancer....Elder Dan... do you guys still have the links to that nephilim thread...I think it would really help this discussion

I had a discussion once with someone who claimed to be one of the Fallen. I was told about a void, where those that had waged war against Yahwah where placed, a prison if you like to be simplistic. Some of them found their way out of this void and those who feel like they are fallen have an Awakening. Where they come to realise what they where before. Rather like re-incarnation i suppose. Now some who call themselves Vampiric do tell of a similiar Awakening. I have condensed this as the telling would take some pages..lol and i cant be bothered. Maybe that is where the link comes from both claim an awakening of sorts. I personaly dont think the Nephalim where vampires. I also found a really good article on Neanderthal man. some scholars and theologians seem to think Nephalim and Neanderthal man are one and the same, due to the size of brain Neanderthal man had. The strength, muscular structure etc. They could be perceived as super Human in some ways. So this article says. This leads them to thorise on them actualy being Nephalim.
Just my two cents..:smiles:

WOW, Thak you for the information, Its made me want to search out this stuff and readmore. thanks

That was a very interesting read that I had never heard of before. Thanks for sharing.

I wonder, what of the history in the scrolls of the 12.

I believe that vampires were around before mankind, just evolved. And thats what confuses me about God, he says something and doesn't stick to it. Yet we have to eat blood of animals (whether the meat is cooked or not) to survive, so what about us that do eat meat? Are we sworn to hell for that? I think they were just more evolved back then.

My brother had actually mentioned something simular to me earlier in life. He had brough it to the attention of my mother, who did not believe him.

A logical basis for a "biblical" existence of vampires can be found in the apocryphal Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch picks up from Genesis chapter 1, verses 1-4.

The Book of Enoch reveals that vampires could have originated from the offspring of the union between the Watchers (Fallen Angels) and human women. When the Children of the Watchers had consumed all of the food available, they turned to mankind and began to eat their flesh and drink their blood.

Books that were deliberately left out from the bible are called APOCRYPHA. Only chosen priesthood and initiates had access to it. The "Book of Enoch" was declared apocryphal, and like the Book of Seth, and other ancient manuscripts, was denied entrance into the "approved" version of the original Bible by the NiceneCouncil of 325 A.D. In the canonization criteria, God and his salvation message have to be the central theme. The Book of Enoch mainly emphasized upon the Fallen Watchers and their judgements.

In this book Enoch, son of Jared, speaks of the angels called "Watchers" appointed to protect human kind.
However, while watching over human beings, they lusted after the beautiful earthly women, and decided to abandon heaven, and join them on Earth and live with them. From this union they had children. These Fallen Angels taught their women and children magic and other skills, previously unknown to humans.
But...These children were not exactly human. As you can see in these quotes from "The Book of Enoch" .

Chapter 7

13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.

Chapter 10

10 (excerpted) for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and
11 that each one of them will live five hundred years.....

13 To Gabriel also the Lord said, Go to the biters, to the reprobates, to the children of fornication; and destroy the children of fornication, the offspring of the Watchers, from among men; bring them forth, and excite them one against another. Let them perish by mutual slaughter; for length of days shall not be theirs.

Chapter 15

10 They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.

^_^ hi is there a ruff date of the flood that noah lived through?
becouse i have heard of a race that have been here for a while^_^

Very nice thread I had never heard of it till today and will be studying up on it as well seeing it peeked my interest..

This is definately something worth debating-- read through it the other day, and pondered on it till now.

I suppose it really and truly is the best way to personify vampirism from the start.

Rowan you always seem to have incredibly throught provoking and incredible posts.

It could be a definite possibility in my opinion that vampires could be the result of such breeding...What else is a devil but a fallen angel afterall? Very VERY nice.

Look in the book of Enoch it will help you find the answer!~NFA

In my opinion vampires came to be for the balance of "good vs evil".

Due to "most" vampires being crule and violent and vampires that are not so evil, it made sure that the off set balance of "good vs evil" stayed at an evenly level.

Well seeing how i believe the Nephilim are our creators, that could very well explain how people view themselves 'vampyres'. From what I am told about them, they carry similar traits such as empathy, mind power, being choosey with lovers (for some), and height. There's more to the species of course but no point in me going into details if i can't prove it aye? LOL

There have been recent studies disproving the story of Noah. There are far to many inconsistencies and inaccuracies to believe that the story could be true. Therefore, it makes it hard for me to believe that we could be decended from the nephilim. I have just recently started studying on the nephilim a few days ago, I will have to go deeper before I could begin to put any reality to it. Thank you very much for the discussion.

i avoid reading certain material. it's possible to gain knowledge outside of what people "think" or read what something is. *winks*

darkmothertrinity,

Does not variance of opinion provide balanced insight?

it can but if one has their solid 'evidence' over one's 'idea', of course the evidence would win hands down.

But, by the very nature of the mystery surrounding the history of how vampyrism came into being, hard evidence is going to be rare and insightful supposition is all the more neccessary.

So if the foundation of where vampires originated is crumbly....if there is no evidence anywhere in the world of how they came to be....then why do people believe in them at all? Surely if they do in fact exist, maybe the evidence IS out there, just not exposed to the public. People are evolving, having unexplained changes that they call "vampirism". Who's to say that DNA wasn't tampered with somewhere along the way for some, or how about a process of human evolution that enables people to unlock mental doors that they couldn't do before so they search and define themselves to the closest thing possible and to some that definition is vampire. Personally if there is no solid foundation, i have to question the reality of it.

But you say that you refuse to read certain material. How do you know if said material is correct or not?

Would it not be a more effective measure of opinion to see all proposed arguments and then accept what you wish to beleive, even if it discounts entirely the opposing view at the end of it?

Because i compare teachings and what is said, to what i have personally experienced that didn't come from books and knowledge given that came from say.....spiritual sources. Im not saying believe me and only me, i'm just suggesting people take a step away from the media and search elsewhere for answers.

ok.

I see your point, but perhaps you might look at it another way.

I despise CNN, ABC and all other 'network' news sources. Does that mean I don't watch them? No.

They still have value in giving me an insight to the way the 'enemy' is operating- to know what they are broadcasting about subjects I likely have done far many more hours of research into than their own.

In this way, it serves to reinforce my opposition to their views and work all the harder to deconstruct the falsities which they espouse. But, rather than randomly put my info out there, I look for what the current 'hot topic' is and put out my refutations accordingly.

yeah but im not someone that constantly clutters my mentality with the junk that the media feeds the masses.
I 've learned way more being outside of the box than i ever learned from say tv, books, magazines etc.

also....no one is the "enemy". If one took the time to say, put one foot in this world and one foot outside of it, can see the bigger picture.

I just wanted to say that you really did your research into this. Reguardless of the opinions of the other members here. I am very happy that you added all the strong points and weak points of the Nephilim. It does differ from language text to language text the significance of the nephilim. But the history is magnificant. As to the nephilims being the first.. again heresay.. They could have been in reguards to energy feeding. I am not going to put anything past the idea. But I am not going to agree and say it is fact.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Neither verse describe them as angels or vampires

this is kind of a neat theory but isnt it possible that vampires are actually just a subspecies of himans whom have evolved differently sort of half a step above of to the side og where humans are to where vampires CAN feed spychicly as well as in other ways

I'm not really too sure what I think about this subject. I guess it just gives me one more thing to look into and read up on before actually making a decision about it. Thanks for the info and something new for my brain to chew on...
*blows a bloody kiss*

I have an article in my Teachings Journal entitled, "Vampires According To Enoch." It may prove useful to anyone who wishes to consider the possibility. The Order Of The Vampyre Cleric, which I founded, holds to this position.

Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33 does not provide a detailed description. You are not reading it within it's proper context. It's funny how a lot of people dismiss the subject with the usual, "Well, I always thought..." and "I believe different, so it can't be true" answers. In every instance, an indepth analysis is never considered. Every book was written by the hands of men. The origins of the world happened a long time ago. A willingness to learn and an open mind is necessary for anyone to find truth. Truth is not subjective to your whims...it is concrete and eternal. In order for that truth to be discovered, one must learn to study with great discipline. By not doing so, highlights the ignorance of those who have zeal but no knowledge.

At the expense of rambling....

All too often, someone reads the Book of Enoch and says, "It doesn't sound 'vampiric'" because they are comparing it with the vampires in novels and Hollywood. By doing so, invalidates any chance at a mindful and fulfillling debate. Opinions are a dime a dozen, discipline in research and thought provoking analysis highlights maturity and intelligence.

show me physical visible evidence and maybe ill buy it. but until then, im not saying its true, and im not saying its false, but it is a definate posibility

"physical visible evidence????" The Manuscripts are thousands of years old and this occurred during the beginnings of the first civilizations. Let me introduce you to Azazel....my goodness. You proved my point.

I reckon everyone is part vampire in a small degree. or at least related to one