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Natalia
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08:22:55 Dec 02 2006
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I am a little confused on some things. When I joined, I was told that this was a site for vampyres and those who love everything about them.

Since being on here, I have encountered many non believers. My thing is why join a vamp site if u don't believe.

I personally believe in a lot of things. As long as I can sit here and breathe alive i know there are other things that can be. I am a vampyre. I believe it has always been in my nature to become one(i.e born with the intentions). There is nothing more beautiful to me than to taste the sweet kiss of another's flesh against my lips.

In conclusion, I have encountered people on our site who don't respect who we are, what ever u may be, and I personally would like to ask them to open up their minds. As the VR fam, we experience enough of people's insecurities on the outside.

Feel free to comment....




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VR isnt just for those people who are Vampires but also for those whom are interested in Vampirism whether they believe or take part in it or not. As the VR home page states , "Vampire Rave was designed as an online resource for the Vampire community. Our goal is to catalog everything there is to be cataloged about Vampires."

That would lead one to think that VR isnt just here for those who do lead the lifestyle :)



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In many cases, myself included, I think it is more a matter of figuring out what a vampire actually is, some would say it is a demonically infested corpse, which we obviously are not, some would say it is those with the various diseases associated, some make the claim of psychic vampirism, many of these are possibilities, but do any of us really know for sure?
I will say i believe, that such things CAN exist, and I do believe in the ability to manipulate forms of energy, but I've never been sure beyond a doubt that it is what I think...



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Natalia
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I am sure u could understand what I mean...

I chat with ppl on here all the time. I welcome all those who are intrigued. My concerns lie with those who disrespect the lifestyles ppl on here lead, blatantly by speaking obscenities and vulgarities.



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They often don't last long, I am a psy-vamp.
Thing is many come here looking for the hollywood type of vampire and are disappointed when they don't encounter such a creature.
Others that come are skeptical but not all are disrespectful. They question our beliefs. I believe because they are searching and even questioning themselves..



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I haven't had anyone really to come at me disrespectfully! I have had some that I disagreed with, but that's okay! I think the site is here for us all to learn! Natalia~ It sounds like someone has given you a very bad experience & i'm sorry that whoever has affected you this way. Most people, well the ones that I have met on here, are not very negative & will not come at you in the way you are describing. We are all here to learn, or in some peoples cases to teach, but the basic thing is to share knowledge & experiences.



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Daermon
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over and above all things I look at the internet with one thing in mind....
the people I talk to on here both good and bad are simply bits of binary, do not take what is said to heart, there is no point being offended by someones personal opinion online, but do try to learn from the intelligent words...



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Natalia
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It doesn't bother me to the point of tears or anything...I just find it odd to meet people who say this website is weird and has a stupid concept of the supernatural. I have been on this site for iver a year and I have met great ppl. and I can't wait to meet more. but thx for making me feel better, I am ususally on the rampage around here so keep in touch ppl.lol



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Each person is privy to their own belief. You see, senses lie to you. People see things on different levels based on their own perception.

The classic "Hollywood Vampire" was a pipe dream to me back when I wished there was something out there that was capable of putting the human race into it's place.

Now I realize that it's perception that drives this machine. Some believe, some don't. I personally believe that the human mind is capable of exraordinary things that we have not yet even touched on.

...But if anyone starts harassing you because of your said belief, please feel free to send them my way. I happen to like cannon fodder.



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12:08:10 Dec 02 2006
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Amen to what Daermon said!

This place or VR's main goal is to catalogue anything that's related to Vampires. NOT making us into vampires!



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La6Muerte66
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I joined this site looking for a bit of guidance and an opportunity to learn. After having been here about a year, I've found it's not so much about the vampirism or anything of the sort, but this site is just another web community, with vampiric undertones.



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LordFangor
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12:46:50 Dec 02 2006
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One would join because of the historical interest or literary interest or cinematic interest. You don't actually have to believe in Vampires.



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That's a really neat question with some great comments.

In all these threads we are stuck on what a vampire is - its debated time and again and never do we get an answer.

Do I believe in the various creatures of myth - no (but as soon as someone comes up to me without casting a reflection, I will change my mind)

Do I believe in the people who have taken up the term 'vampire' to describe their lifestyle - yes, I watch what they type every day

This is a site that aims to create the ultimate vampire directory anything and everything to do with vampires. The database includes references from Lilith to Count Duckula. It isn't meant to be a site just for vampires or even people who believe. Some people use it as a vampire community, good luck to them.

As with all things on the net, I decide to believe some things and ignore other things. I would never dream of telling people that they are wrong about vampires, I would never dream of trying to force them to follow my way of life - I hope they wouldn't try to force me to follow theirs

Hope something in there makes sense





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trissy
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i dont think Daermon could of said it any better...

but you also need to understand not everyone belives the same things.i always thought that vr was a good place for people to come and meet outhers and find out what they belive and what they dont.... since i have been hear a little over a year now i have learned a great deal about how people feel and what they belive vampires are i might not totally agree with some but there views are very interesting.....
i can rember when i first started my profile my first message that came in was from someone saying "you are not a vampire get over yourself." i found it rude but yet funny at the same time because the only thing i had up on my profile was my quote wich says ."not all who wander are lost" and my first sentence on my profile wich says "I am trissy, a lost soul who wanders. Looking for what once was." i still have that up but if the person would have let me finished the thought they would of found out nothing i put on my profile even says iam a vampire..... i never let it bother me and iam still here.... so i do understand a little bit about what your saying ......you just cant let it bother you......



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La6Muerte66
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I think the message we're all getting across is that it doesn't matter whether any of us believe or not, since that isn't the point of this site. The point is to learn and meet people with similar interests.



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SteelTalons
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In my short time here I have found people with an amazing range of beliefs, and some that don't believe at all, but curiosity has brought them here. This site welcomes all degrees of knowledge and interest. The bashers..for lack of a better word..I agree, don't usually last long. They either realize that this site is not intended as a place for goofing off...eh..or they get bored when they dont get a rise out of anyone. I've stated before that I believe in everything until someone can prove to me that it DOESN'T exist ..as opposed to "I'll believe it when I see it"



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TatiannaRei
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I haven't met any of the people you are speaking about on VR. I've encountered them elsewhere, but not here. Wether they believe or not is their own choice. They may be here just out of curiosity, which I see no problem with. This site isn't for any specific kind of person. It is for the masses and people who want to learn or want to meet vampires. If they disrespect you, it is their own flaw and their own doing.



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SatinMist
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18:05:22 Dec 02 2006
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I believe. I know to many people to think otherwise. I have also felt their presence to believe otherwise.
It doesn't matter to me what others think of me and what I believe or what I know. We all have to be true to ourselves.



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Evangius
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I don't think anyone has to believe in the legitimacy of a particular vampire class to join VR. Some are interested in the occultic aspects of vampirism, others dig the fantasy aspect of it and are fans. Then of course you get those that define themselves as Vamps.



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MystressVampyra
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I agree with Daermon(sorry if i spelled it wrong) but i also believe people shouyldn't join this site just to bash people on here down



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Natriel
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One thing that I have noticed with all human beings is their ability to say one thing to anybody else when they are who knows how far away, but when they are face to face with the same person it is a completely opposite discussion. Unless I am looking into somebodys eyes during a conversation, no offense to anybody anywhere, everything else is just a lie, whether it be white or not. Never truely believe or take anything to heart unless you, yourself, know without a shadow of doubt that it is the truth.



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LadyVengence
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I joined because of my obsession with vamps and up until joining and participating in forum discussion I had never been exposed to real vamps and truthfully I thought some of the claims were very far-fetched.

But I dont think there is much to convice someone to believe. As far as I understand it it is a lifestyle choice maybe tied with certain personality traits.

But it doesnt matter if I believe anyway. You are who you are and I would never force my beliefs on anyone else.



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raziel
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im not all that sure i believe in the vampires that people claim to be, but i believe its possible for the mythical vampires to have existed once a long time ago, but who really knows. plus i like this site cause of the non religious factor along with fellow people who are in the gothic lifestyle and music



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I beleve in being what you are without shame or fear. I do beleve in Vamps I just do not beleve they are immortal beings and so on and so fourth. I Have been bashed for my spiritual beleifs, My being gay and my handicap. Those things make me who I am as Vampireism makes you who you are.

so yes i beleve in vampires, I beleve in God and i beleve in me



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i agree with raziel, i joined because almost everybook you see in my hand is about vampyres, jack the ripper or has to do with magick, with the concern of magick and vampyres i dont practice either but i think its good to be informed about historical and present day things, and i like that everybody here is really into music because thats what i want to do with my life. and i like that almost everybody on here isnt looking for some sex slave or little girl or boy to harass because they cant their rocks off to the hooker down the street. granted there are some people on here like that but on this site you become more like family then anything, and thats what i love.



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Daermon, Artemka, LaMuerte, King Tarq and others all put it out SO well already!

VR is made up of a very diverse group of people from all walks of life, which makes it quite interesting at times! This is a community, and a place to learn, teach, and share anything to do with vampires, which makes it a special place for me.

I am sorry that others have given a bad taste to others and people come on here with a different mind set and hard to deal with at times. For the most part, this is a great community.



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I can see how it might be real but I doubt that the hollywood version hold true. I write often about it.. much of which is in my journal



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Daermon
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well with the exception of a few poor souls on here I think the general concensus is hollyweird is full of shit.
any site like this is going to get people coming on here simply with the intention of bashing, witchcraft sites get it too, and so do any religion sites, you simply have to sift the grain from the chaff so to speak..



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Scybermonk
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Every site, regardless of intent, draws people who solely wish to bash and destroy. Their belief structure has nothing to do with it, they are simply misrable, and misery loves company (I mean, look at how goths flock together. *runs!*).

Also, anyone who doesn't question beliefs, cannot tolerate their bliefs being questioned, and simply expect everyone to believe them...well, we have a wod for them.

Christians.

Challenge everything.



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Daermon
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ouch monk..hehe
but actually I do know many christians who do question, and they are the ones who get along with us pagan types...generally



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I also came here initially looking for answers to questions about my psy/sang allure....

I was suprised that although there was always at least one active forum thread on psy/sang disciplines, I was also expecting a lot more activity around specific vampire codery, order, laws, beliefs, studies, devotions, dedications, etc. - More like the next level of an OWBN LARP or something.

What I thought I would find was a lot different than what I have found, and I'm honestly really glad that it was so pleasantly and suprisingly different.

What I found was a group of people who were individually friendly and open - yet all over the board in their spirituality and beliefs; each one of whom I felt I could learn a a little something about to help guide me on my quest for understanding.

:)

--and that is what I love most about VR.



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I doubt anyone could put it better than it's already been said here but I want my 2cents worth too. I joined this site as a fan of vampire books, movies and rpg's. I had no concept that anyone was actually living the lifestyle or that there was a name for my feeding off energy from others. I have learned much here and hope to learn a lot more. I believe anything is possible, now more than ever. I have been on some pagan sites where there are people who come in just to bash or attack what they don't agree with or fear. There is no difference here but for all that this site is amazingly well behaved for the most part.



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I've never encountered anyone overly disrespectful on this website. I guess they just don't last long =)



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LovesEternalDeath
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As of yet, I havn't talked to anyone who didn't believe in what I am, what they are, or the possiblity of what might exist on this site. I'm not saying that there aren't people like that here...I just havn't encountered it myself.

I think that there are a lot of people who are interested, or curious...but when they find out what vampirism really is, are highly disappointed. Perhaps those are the people that you've run into? People who were hoping to find one thing, and got another? I don't know though.

I do believe (I should, I am a vampire, LOL), so that's why I'm here. I love it here, and am glad to have met all the people that I have on here.



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Jakyna
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I dont but I sitll like the idea of the existence of it, still the site is as stated before both for beleivers, interested and curious ppl so I guess we all find what we look for or might just leave if you dont, no one is attach or lock here lol



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articwolfdemon
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for the non-belivers on here

there may be vamps, may not, but, some of us, sometimes get a thirst, that we can't get rid of, a matalicy taste fills the back of our throughts, and we could drink an ocean of water, and still have the thirst, vampireisum is deffently real, myself, i love to bite necks, and love my neck bitten and touched, and a warm crimson liquid sometimes can be a nice treat to some people, but, not to all.

vampireisum is out there, you just have to look


sorry, this was for the non belivers!



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satanicvampyre
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Opened-minded people are very hard to find that us as our kind. Boy,have I run into them. On Myspace where I've got an ID, I challenge these type of peole openly and find they run when they read my prothere.



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NocturnisOrchid
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Ya know hun,I some are curious and some are testing the waters and others are here for companionship.Even if they are not vampires,I believe all are welcome.



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I believe if you do not think that vamps are real this site is a waste of time, I understand that not everyone here is a vamp, most people aren't but if you believe and are interested than this IS the site for you



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I have always believed in Vampires and I think this site is Awesome for those who share the same intrests.



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I am going to be honest here as I am in all my posts to threads about believing or not. Or even religion. I don't believe Vampires exist or ever have. But I am truly fascinated by it, since I was a child. I came here out of curiosity..I love to learn from others and to just be around my own kind well what is there to learn in that? I am very pleased to be here I have found a freedom I haven't had anywhere else. I find most everyone here has valid ideas thoughts and opinions and I respect them all. I am happy that VR has opened up this site for all walks of life and kept such order and system it truly works. The bashing is not cool but this is the internet and open to everyone and you are going to get haters, but you shouldnt worry about them cuz I'm willing to bet that they hate any site they go too and I bet it's just for fun. I think as long as no one comes through my screen after me I'm pretty safe eh..



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Akri
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I believe in practically anything... why should these things be restricted to fantasy and mythology. Some people believe only in what they can see with their own eyes, but how many of these people have seen a million dollars, and yetthey still believe such a sum of money exists.

Vampires exist. Whether you believe in so-called psi-vampires or the hollywood version it is doubtful that some decription of Vampire exists out there...



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This site, i have gotten to know so many wonderful people. To me the site is of knowledge of vampires, and i love the openess of so many people. Many who were stuck in a closet no where to go and felt as noone share their beliefs. This site has made more people come to explore, and to know they are not alone in what they believe in. To those who bash are very closed-minded. I have some sites that are learning sites as courses that are acutally graded, and someone will send them a bug and they have to shut day the whole site, and I know alot of hard work goes into these sites.



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SatinMist
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People join for fun, people join to find out or they join because they have nothng else better to do.
I think those that don't believe after spending some true quality time here, they begin to realize not all of us are full of it.



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Naron
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i don't have problem with people who don't belive that they are vampires.
But why somedody join this site when he don't belive in darkness, vampires, etc.



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I chat with ppl on here all the time. I welcome all those who are intrigued. My concerns lie with those who disrespect the lifestyles ppl on here lead, blatantly by speaking obscenities and vulgarities.



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Hey baby! I wanna say something....

I agree this site isn't just for vamps but those who are in or interested, yes. I also understand what Natalia is saying, I have incountered some ppl that made me wonder why are they here. They were very disrespectful about my lifestyle and criticized it very negitively.



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I have to admit I joined the site because my two friends did and wanted to know what they were talking about all the time. BUT, I had read about people living the lifestyle before and had encountered a few psy vamps in the course of my years...and had learned to put the blocks up to keep them from sucking out my energy. Whether they knew that was what they were doing or not.....I knew it.
HOWEVER, my knowledge was biased in thinking that "oh my gawd these people are nuts" esp the ones who drink blood.

WAIT....don't jump me yet...
Since being here I have learned many new things about the lifestyle and about the people who practice and have had a change in my thinking. I am not COMPLETLY convinced that it is ok...especially for the teens and preteens I see here. But for those who are older and have made a conscious choice to practice..ok.
SO...it has been a learning experience for me. One I have enjoyed thus far.



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i beleave that i was born a vampire mt k9s are longer and sharper them the normies



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I have to say that I am not sure if I believe in vampires the way that others do, but I believe in them in a way. I do not believe that they are immortal, but I believe that they are merely beings that greatly enjoy the taste of blood. I am one of those beings. I love the taste of blood and I have also found those on here who believe some pretty out-there things, and others who believe none of them. It is whatever you chose to believe.



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dragonmaster399
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i have drank my own blood and i like the tast but i have not found any one who think they are immortal or inveceable



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i personally joined to talk to a few friends and meet some of the same way of seeing things



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"My thing is why join a vamp site if u don't believe."

It is called role playing. Many do it. what is the point? some get fun out of it, not everyone takes everything seriously. I did not know it was a rule that you had to believe in vampires to be here.



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I beleive in vampires and I always have. I have friends on this site that are vampires, and I will admit that I am on as well, although I don't say it on my profile. I came here to expand my knowledge of vampires, and so far I have accomplished that goal



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i do believe vampires are real and i am a psychic vampire. some of my friends on here too are vampires and some of them are werewolves. i learned about vampires since i was 16 years old and this site is helping with somethings i havent heard of about vampires and werewolves + such. :)



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I believe, because I am a vampire. Technically a Psy/Sang, I focus primarily on my psychic side because the meals are more common, and there are no diseases of energy. I take what the world does not miss.

Vampires, Lycans (as I like to call them sometimes), Demons, Angels..... its all real. You only encounter the supernatural either by chance, by your ends (if one plays with the occult often enough, beings will start showing up, as a response to the magickal energy permeating from the magician), or simply, because they want to.

The supernatural picks which of the countless humans who go about their business for who will see clearly, and who will not.
Heh, they may bring that human into this beautiful mess.



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People all interpret what they see differently. Where you may see things that cannot/have not been remotely proven others may just see someone with issues.



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As with anything in life....

You have Believers...

You have Fanatics...

and You have people who just pay Lip-service.....

But the point of this site is for people who share an interest (regardless of how much), to find others with a similar interest.... and not be judged.

I have met many wonderful people here, some who believe in Vampires and others who simply have a passing interest.....

and I value MOST of them......

:)



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GothicFairey
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I believe



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I dont believe in vampires outright. I dont walk around thinking I am, if someone asks if I am, i will only give them a vague answer, its they who really answer themselves.

I had a comment from a new member wondering if I was one. I answered with a question and left it at that, if they want to outright believe it is real, im not going to stop them.

seeing is believing, believing is seeing.

I love vampires, and everything to do about vampires, but like many have said, its not in the 'rules' for the site to have to believe in vampires to join.



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Personally I don't believe I'm a vampire but I know I'm different. Very DIFFERENT. I believe in anything and everything. I'm on this site because its great, I feel comfortable and I love here. Its even better than myspace.



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Natalia...
I have spoken personally with a large volume of ppl on here...and I have be grateful that I have not ran into disrespectful ppl....or non-believers. I mean I see ppl on here all the time that I wouldn't want to talk too...and others that I am attracted too...and can't wait to see what they post again..and learn from their words...
What I hate about this place....like any other internet site...is the ppl that still use this as a dating site, or a chance to cyber....and trust me, MANY MANY ppl on here do !! It's not the site tho...its just a place were some come..........but otherwise this is a very informative site...that I recommend everyday.



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PrettySamantha
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I've had this same question and every time i confront someone in person message or forum it is unanswered fully. I've been told that this is for everyone and we cant exclude certain people ones who do and dont beleiev, because that would make things worse. but i bel;eieve that if someone doesnt believe they've no buisness being here, but we cant change the rules or go against cancer.



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i cant speak for everyone else, but i do believe..for the simple fact im of the mind that the myths and legends had to come from somewhere.. and for any of you that have ever been to germany especially around the black forest, and i have...i spent almost 2 years there as a military brat while my father was in the army, you even breathe the word vampyr there and you may just get staked...they are seriously superstitious there, people still put crosses on thier doors and garlic in the windows and other things to ward off vampyr. they also seriously believe in witches and werewolves too.. and i believe in those as well. and since i am a witch myself so i definately believe in them. I believe in a lot of things that are called myth and vampires are just one of them.



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I personally joined because my girlfriend has an account here. I do belive in Vampires and find them facinating. My interest in vampirres only grows as I stay on VR.



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Well, I do and don't believe in vampires. Don't get me wrong, but I'm a person that I want to see the thing, then I can say that I believe. Well, that's me how am I. I do love to death vampires, and I like this site too, but I'm a bit confused in these things, and that's why I'm in here to learn more and maybe one day believe in them, hopefully :-)



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I do belive in what I am. That is one of the resons im here.



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i agree with Natalia, because i have seen profiles that r nothing but dissing this site and all we stand for! but then again i guess thats our life isn't it, to be persecuted by not only those who don't believe but some of our (supposedly) own kind aswell! i'm not saying kill everyone who comes against us on this site and yes i understand that it is a resource and directory but come on people do ur reseach and move on!!!



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Marlene
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I agree with you. I'm right into vampires.



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TegoSanguisitim
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Does anyone here believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?

OK. Thought not.

Look. Everywhere you go there will always be someone to criticize something or offer up an unwanted opinion.

If VR members are profane and disrepectful or harrass you be patient, they are dealt with. Our leadership here at VR has little if any tolerance for disrespect and bullshit. Trust me.

As far as the belief idea, consider this:

Millions of people go to church every Sunday, say thier prayers, make the sign of the cross and donate thier hard earned money. How many of those people really believe in God? How many aren't sure? Forget about Christianity. Let's look at any belief...can you prove it exists? Do you have to, or is it what you instinctively know without a sliver of hesistation.
Does the Iraqi with 50lbs of explosive strapped to his chest that runs into a crowded mosque and blows himself up really go to paradise with 27 virgins or whatever it is? I bet that guy believed it.

It takes all kinds to make up the VR community and without them it wouldn't be the same. Take them with a grain of salt and if they really insult your intelligence block them and don't bother with thier posts.



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Well, I personaly believe in vampires, but I know that some people go onto sites like this just to get away from the calamity of everyday life. Others come onto vr because they are interested in the idea of vampires. That doesn't mean they have to believe in them. And then there are some who come on sites like vr to mock the beliefs of those on the site.



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dragonmaster399
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i belive that this site is for the people that have some thangs incommin and i belive the you can find a lot of poeple that have the same thangs i commin as you do



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FelixFelix
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If you were to start excluding people from VR based on a belief in vampires, you'd have your hands full and for more reasons that instantly pop into mind. However, the most obvious is that there are self professed vampires on this site that don't believe in the type of vampire posting right alongside them. In fact, I'd say that very few vampires on this site can even completely agree on what a real vampire is. We have sangs wherein there are some that believe the blood is the 'life' where others believe it to be a focus for energy. We have psy vamps who don't necessarily believe in sangs (and vise versa) but only in energy feeding. We have those that believe in the undead mythos quite literally and we also have psys and sangs who don't and would think someone else crazy for pushing a 'Hollywood' stereotype.

There are also those who believe in vampires as a fictional genre but not the various forms above or perhaps one but not all. We have otherkin who believe that they are or represent animal forms like tigers and wolves but some of the vampires may not believe in them or vise versa.

As I have stated many many times in threads relating to vampire belief or those seeking proof or those seeking validity, no-one can make you NOT believe and transversely, no-one can make you believe in something. Belief is a very personal issue that debate can show new sides to but rarely change. In addition, one should not seek validation for their beliefs in others. What you believe is important and valid simply because you believe it.

Finally, you are here because you seek community and in any community worth its salt, there is diversity. I would find the Forum very boring if everyone agreed with each other all the time. I also must admit that I found the original posting here almost baiting in nature but will allow that if you were insulted emotions may have prompted the initial combative nature towards 'unbelievers' (of whichever belief you hold) in the thread's origin.



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DeathKnightShimitar
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I'm not a vamp...But I believe in them...Even know some....Basically its like this to me...If they believe they are and thats how their life is lived then who am I to say they are not.



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I believe anything is possible. I joine dthis site wanting to expand my mind on the concept of them being real. Who wouldn't want to know a real life vampire?



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Irishvampgirl
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I believe. And yes Santa Claus is real too..lol

Anything is possible on this earth...I don't think people should discount any posibility of true existence of the vampire. There are those here that state they are "real' vamps and that is their testimony. Whether you choose to acknowledge those folks is up to you. This site is for all (including non-vamps and non-believers) to study and learn all there is to know about vampires and the culture that comes with that.



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dragonmaster399
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i am sorry for that last post



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I think many join out of curiousty, I believe but I think those who are rude and disrespectful are afraid of what they don't understand. I believe has a right to their opinion but there is No need to be nasty or mean. If you don't believe then they should just be an adult about things and go somewhere else.
Just my thoughts!!



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I primarily agree with you! I thought this was for vampires, not just a social club. I for one am a kitchen witch, I love vampirism, always have. I thought I would be surrounded with the occult, the magical essence that is the occult. But, I too have encountered this non-believer community. I feel as though there are many here who are...and many who are believers, ignore the rest, for ignorance IS bliss.



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pandora4563
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I am not a vampire i do not live the vampire life style. But i am very interested in it. And I believe in vampires along with many other things. I come to this site to meet people with similar interests and to learn new things about the supernatural.



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solidarityentity
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I dont know what I am. And I dont know what to believe but I just enjoy being in a place where people will accept you.



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PeterrPandaaa
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personally.
I do believe.



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dravenlore
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I believe.. not in the immortality mind you but yes extended life and others are well just fascinated as I come to find in us



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raziel
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well there is always skeptics anywhere you go, and there opinions to this site are very much need, as i for 1 am skeptical of psy vampirism, i dont think it is any more that an illusion



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i believe in psych vampires... and for the most part i am open minded about possibilities even though i do not claim to be any type of vampire.



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People are often afraid of the unknown and react in a vulgar manner.
I do see alot of Wiccans/Pagans and wolf lovers here. I think somehow it does all blend in .
Like I said in a previous thread" the sensuality , and mystique lead most of us here for one reason or another.
The ones that came for another reason ( the small percent ) as said by another poster" dont last long" either they get booted off or they lose interest when no one reacts to them and they just dont come back.Some are left around for OUR amusment lol...Thats the irony of it all ...They just dont know it



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Let me preface that I do believe vampires existed... but, as a rational being (or so I like to think), I cannot believe in those traits deemed vampiric by pulp-fiction novelists and/or Hollywood screenwriters. Unfortunately here, I am almost a minority of one.

To decide whether to believe or not, one must first determine what is believable based on the facts... not fictions.

So far here, all I have found almost without exception is a die-hard adherence to the obvious fictions of Hollywood and pulp-fiction novels, or... perhaps more disturbing, the self-created fictions devoid of any historical evidence of those attempting to identify themselves as vampires based upon such fictions.

The original Slavic accounts (yes, the vampire is and always was a Slavic creature despite the many world myths of ghosties and goblins who might possess a trait or two that could be obliquely construed as "vampiric") do not mention blood drinking (this was only added to the belief after corpses were dug up believed to be vampires -- following the discovery of the activity for which the vampire true was known -- and found full of decomposition liquids resembling blood), do not mention fangs or a fear of daylight or crucifixes, nor many other later fictions created to sell dime novels in the 18th and 19th Centuries. Hell, they weren't even believed to be immortal, back then. And there has never been a Slavic belief in vampires as psy-energy feeders. Nor can I find any such in any later depiction, either.

And yet, so ironically, these patently fictitious traits are what almost everyone here considers the bedrock truth of what the vampire was or, more unbelievably still, claims to possess, themselves.

Do I believe? I do only in what can be evidenced or otherwise established by the historical facts to which Reason can then be applied.

After all, to use your analogy of belief in a "million dollars," I don't have to see it to believe in it because of the preponderance of evidence that proves it. After all, there are more than 5 million people living in my city alone... and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if each of those 5 million people possessed only a quarter ($.25) to their name, this would easily total over a million dollars. Thus, by simple logic based on the evidence: a million dollars must exist, where I have laid eyes on it or not.

This is how the rational mind was intended to figure things out: by Reason based on the evidences.

Yet for so many here, the most foundationless of fictions are believed wholeheartedly while the extant facts and evidences of history are not researched, not discussed, and not considered. Instead, when pointed out (as I have here) they are disregarded as unimportant or at least of no more importance than the admitted fictions that came later. (And entries hereafter in response to this one will most likely bear that out... as they have in the past.)

Now there's a fact I wish weren't true. ;)



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SlaveOfTheNite
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personaly, I believe fully in vamps. that is part of the reason I am here, I was told that this site was for the "freaks" of the world to meet together and find people who will respect your beliefs and I have happy to say that for me VR has done just that. I, however am not a vamp, but a were, I do have several vamp friends though, I respect them and they respect me, I think one of the main problems is that over the years, thanks to books and Hollywood, there are so many theoris about vamps, if they're immortal, demonic, good,evil, bats, they even have suggested that vamps do not even drink blood. so I see this site as a place for the general public to be educated about who we truly are and for the people who already know the truth to have a place they can call home.



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Nixy
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it depends which way you look at it though
you could believe in vampires, like vampires etc etc etc
they could be real, they could be fantasy
Besides most people relate vampires to 'goths'



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Many here are quick to admit thet they are not vampires. I am one and believe the site should be open to those seeking answers and those who know who they are.



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belive in what? I don't belive in anything that is everything...



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neovampire
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I believe whole heartedly that vampires exist



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Vampirologist
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I not only believe, I KNOW they exist!



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Kytrin
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beliefs can always change.....but if you KNOW something, it cant be changed....
I also KNOW it



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HelsinkiVampire
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I trully believe that they are vampires, i see myself as a physchic vampyre.



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peaceharmony
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i believe what would i class myself, a medical vampire? i am anemic, and need blood transfusions quite often, blood that was someone elses, so that to me is a factor to consider, but i have seen alot of wiccans and pagans on here, so what we are here having fun and meeting great people, and if there are people that are here to chastize us, then they don't belong here



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20:46:10 Dec 10 2006
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I believe!



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hot4blood
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03:39:24 Dec 11 2006
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Personally I believe to each there own. Just cause I'm not a vampire doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Who am I to pass judgment on others. If someone tells me there a vampire I try to inquire more about it so that I am more knowledgeable about the subject.



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silverbat
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03:49:03 Dec 11 2006
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vampirism, undead, or animalistic dypictions aside, is simply the act of taking life from another and benifiting it to your own health.



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VR System
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03:49:03 Dec 11 2006
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