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sanctifiedbeing
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is a movie who explains how your mind attracts what you are thinking. If you are worrying about bills your going to get more of it. If you are think about money your going to get it.

Even things as small as traffic. You are worried your going to be late so you will be late. You think that you can make it in time the traffice will clear up.

What do you guys think? Have you ever seen the secret? Do you think our minds have that much power?




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This may fall under conspiracy theories, but there is a small magnet on the back of every telly. I very much believe in the mind makes things happen aspect of reality.

Such as the summoning of things yet to come. This works wonders with the telly.



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I would have to agree with Soulshroude..(sp)? Probably because not everyone has the ability to do things as such, also because everything you seen in the movies doesn't make it true/real.



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I've been told this many times but it seems it happens the opposite to me.

Maybe it happens differently for everyone or just coincidances or just meant to be.



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Self-fullfilling prophecy. There was a thread earlier on this. all has to do with visualization, which is helpful in achieving goals --- so there is a positive side to it.

Have to be careful with fantasies, though.



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hmmm it would explain a lot of pooh that has happened in my life, but to be honest I can be happy and positive and still have more pooh shoveled on the heap. sad but true...



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yes i think it is possible for that to happen



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I think it is very possible. I have noticed that it happens to me often so I just try to think very positively.



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Sounds like Law of Attraction.



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I saw The Secret and thought it was great. My take on it is simply, If you think positive, act in a positive way, move in a direction that's goal directed, you'll be successful.



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I have the book, saw the dvd and I agree on this: taughs become things
also agree on: we are energy and everything is energy, its qunatum physics basics and therefore anything can be come anyhting
All is possible.



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ye, it is possible.
Its simply about energy, like attracts like.
So bringing your thoughts in to a positive , will help you achieve more.
it isn't an over night thing, there is a measure of discipline, to train your mind to be positive all the time, this is because our minds tend to wander.



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I think its sort of a mind of matter thing.

If you think some thing is one way and its the only way you are thinking then you kinda make it happen.

Like you said someone who thinks they are going to late to work may indeed become late to work because of it. They may take a different rout that they are not as familiar with and because of it not know the traffic flow. Or because they already ahve the mind set they are going to be late not rush as much and doddle at doing things along the way.

People very much make their own way. Focus counts for half of any thing. The will to make thing happen and work is very powerful. If you want some thing bad enough you will find a way.



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I think the mind is a wonderful place. I think that in the mind you've the strength of collasiums, yet the softness of a kitten. I think that the mind can be used, taken advantage of. Manipulation confirms that theory.

I think many people do not live to their full potential. The power the mind has is an awesome thing. My husband often says, "If you want to die, your subconscience will take you there. It will go to lengths to get you there.

I have to admit this to be true. When My Husband and I just started living together, I used to bump My knee on the corner of My desk like daily. I didn't think anything of it. I've aweful knees, and there were times I bumped My knee so hard that It put Me in an immobelizer for a week. Some bump huh?

My Husband and I began talking one day, and He hit on something that...well, down right angered Me. How dare He say I was doing that on purpose. It was an accident. I didn't pay attention....I'm accident prone. All excuses I used.

Point is, I began watching it more closely. Became determined that I wasn't going to injure My Husbands Best Friend because I was too lazy to pay attention. I stopped doing it.

I made a conscience decision that I wasn't going to do it anymore, and therefore, it stopped. I vary rarely bump My knee now.

I did some soul searching while trainging My mind and body to not bump My knee. I found that, because of all the garbage I went through in My past that I was actually subconsciencely hurting Myself. Talk about a trip.

Once I realized that it was ok, and that I didn't need to deal with those issues, the bumping stopped. It took a little bit though. I had to become determined first to be able to stop the initial habit of bumping My knee.

The mind is a playground. You can either be bullied, or you can stand up for yourself. I don't know many that like to be bullied.

Things got better once I stopped letting My subconscience bully Me because of My Own thought pattern



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19:54:03 Dec 20 2007
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Yes I have seen The Secret and the law of attraction is very true.



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19:54:26 Dec 20 2007
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I have never seen this movie, but the concept is pretty old. I believe it.



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Its just little things that make me believe in the laws of attraction. Like I need money, and really bad so I wrote a blank check and everytime I touch it I make myself beleive I already have the money.

Now money cant just appear without hard work so I didnt expect to see 600 dollars laying in front of me one day.

One thing is I have two jobs. One 7-5 job that I make a set amount on and a second job who has been giving me 2 shifts a week. I was dieing

After, I mean right after I wrote the check I got a bunch more shifts. Im talking about one one night off this week. Im working the money making shifts too!

And I have a donut story but no one wants to hear about donuts ;)!



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20:11:14 Dec 20 2007
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Both the Sevret and What the Bleep hit on the fact that your mind creates your reality. I for one have seen it in action and do believe it.



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I attempted to read the book of that but found that every page was basicly, the same. Just with different names and how this wonderful New outlook on life changed there world forever. I'm not saying it doesent work, i'm just saying, you wont attract anything without having to give something back.



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Visualization and goal setting are not exactly like the "power of positive thinking."

The problem with the latter is the failure to acknowledge the variables you can't account for or control, the "shit" happens aspect to life.

Just thinking you're going to get that job isn't going to do it. You have to actually think about sitting in the interview chair, feeling it beneath you, what your going to say, the kinds of answers, the feel of the handshake.

In athletics it's fully imagining the golf swing or the tennis backhand. In a complete visualization the muscles in your body minutely flex and remember how to do it.

The same in social interactions.



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i do want to read the book...i saw the book n dvd disussed on a tv talk show n it sounded fantastic...i think its just basically..that a positive attitude brings positive things into your life where thinking negatively just brings you down



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I know a bit about the secret as my mum is always telling me that your thoughts manifest themselves both positive and negative. And to be careful what you wish for.

I have experienced it with my exams when I went into my tests telling myself I will fail because I was a nervous wreck.. and low and behold I failed. So my mum told me to relax and tell myself I have studied hard, I have the knowledge and I have the ability to pass this test. See I still remember the mantra mum :P

I did it with all my final exams and I passed I struggled with in the past like French, I got great grades on, so now I can go to university to become a nurse.

So I have experienced it, I tend to forget about it, but I know that the mind is a powerful thing that we have only partly tapped into. Which makes you wonder what we could really do if we had full use of our brain!



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I believe it is possible, although I think, much concentration is needed for such things to work just like that, with a snap of a finger.



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I honestly don't think our minds have that much power.. I think it's a matter of luck and chance



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sanctifiedbeing
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I believe that if you believe in something that your mind attracts objects and people to you to make that happen. I also believe that if you have a possitive outlook on things that your life will brighten up as if you have a negative outlook on things then your life will be a little dull.

It also may depend on your inner power. Who knows but I know it works for me and I have friends that it has worked for on many occasions with what we would call "miracles".



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In large part "The Secret" is about positive actualization and visualization.

If you read biographies of very success people you will see that many of them had visualized their success and thought sbout it everyday until they acheived it.

Many athletes , including members of the US Olypmpic team, have used visualization.

Our greatest actors and actresses have "rehearsed" over and over. This is just another form of visualization.

Yes, I think it works



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haha, i do that with stoplights! i always tell people who are driving to not rush and they wont catch red lights! you catch one and you seem to catch them all x_X



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Well as far as i can personally tell you your mind can take you many places and predict many thing but you have to be intuned to it with a mind set on thing you want to happen like levitation for instance or outter body experences or even trances ...



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HUm interesting I have to try that stop light thing one day. I do have 2 more hours of work to do so maybe then lol :)!



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I would say you are in control of your own destiny to a degree.
Your actions determine what will happen in your near future. In turn those actions are determined by what you think your reaction should be in relation to what you want to avoid or drive towards.
Things like finances, relationships and other life matters and their status in your life all depend on your perspective of the situation.



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I have seen the movie and am skeptical to a degree.

I've performed experiments on the laws of attraction in the past and have found that the outcome will vary quite a bit.

In the end, I think it all has to do with chance, nothing more. Nothing is given in life, you have to earn it.



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SithPadawan
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The real Secret is to have patience and faith.

Then channel your anger towards a more productive outcome.

All else is futile.



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No, I don't believe that. I feel that it takes action to make things happen, not just thinking about it, if that was all it took life would be so much simpler.



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Of course it takes action. If you want success then you must have a plan. You must then put the plan into action. If you are offeing a service then you must market the service. Your must deliver a high caliber of service then people will come to you



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I believe that we can do anything we are amazing... just have to know it and believe it...



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I saw the movie and enjoyed its message.. However, this nothing new.. I have used positive thinking to achieve my goals. Our minds have more power than we think..Remember we our what we believe we are. The question is, what we believe true? I have experienced the power of positive thinking in my life..But be warned, do not focus on what you do not want because this will attract the negative also..



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haven't checked this out yet but i will. I have a friend that does lucid dreaming and is a hypnotist. He swears that we literally can be our own worst enemy but damning ourselves with negativity. I'm still a sceptic



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Well it makes sense: energy attracts energy. If you think negatively, negative things will follow. Usually.



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I have always believed in the power of thoughts and the power of the mind. I have witnessed and experienced both positive and negative in this area. It is important and it is a shame there jerks out there exploiting this.



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I have never seen said movie, but i do believe that our minds have an extreme amount of energy and power in how our lives are played out. I mean, we don't even know what most of it is even used for! I have noticed that if you think on something hard enough, you will eventually see results. Negatives, yes, they are usually more memorable than positive outcomes, but that can be expected.

I also believe that this subject is why praying is especially effective. Especially when you have large groups of people all thinking of the same thing that they want to happen, chances are are, it will!



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true true, i think it depends on how hard you think about things, or how bad you think something is gonna happen, or how bad you want it to happen



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I really think the only thing that it effects is that by concentrating to hard on something can effect things around you, so basically let it slide and don't worry so much about little things like traffic and such.



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..simply put, yes I do believe.
Often, things happens, as they need to.
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..just wish that bit was 'more often.'



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yes i do for thoes who follow a left hand path they say as i will it so it will be in other words as they think it will happen in fact makes it happen



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sort of i mean when i first tried drinking i said i was worried about getting a hang over and my friend told me if you think you wont get one then you wont get one and it worked



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yes i think it is possible for that to happen..



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well it was my first time drinking so i should of gotten one atleast i think i should of



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Have to admit i have never even heard of this movie but it sounds intriguing.



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I believe that it can happen to a point, but mostly I think it can just be put down to being in the right place at the right time in a way. I would like to see that movie though.



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I believe there is some truth to this. I think it's more about belief though. What you believe will happen or believe is true is more likely to happen or be true. What one has to take into account, however, is also what other people believe. The universe doesn't revolve around one person. If one person believes there is going to be horrible traffic, and all those around them believes that the traffic will be as normal, then those many beliefs will outweigh the one. Now there's more to take into account such as how much that one person believes a thing to be true and how much the others believe it to not be and many other such things. I simply don't think it's as simple as 'I'm worrying about this' and it happens. What about the people around them who isn't worried about it?

That's what I believe anyway.



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I have not heard of The Secret. But, this summer I read a Discovery Magazine story on the minds ability to alter time and perception of it. I believe that the story made valid points that directly related to this post.



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Never seen it, and it definitely isn't accurate for me.

I think of money a lot, and I never get it.

I'm terrified of losing any members of my family, and it's been a couple years since anyone died.

Maybe it works with some people though.

Very intriguing possibility.



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This Secret sounds in some ways like the Force.

The attraction with the Force though, lies in mastery of it.

A Secret is not much of a secret if everyone knows how to manipulate in my opinion. Perhaps that is the true secret of this so-called Secret?



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Yes, I believe that the mind is very powerful. Thoughts & words can attract things to you. The book "The Power f your Subconscious Mind" by Joseph Murphy written in the early 60's talks about this. "The Secret" is just saying the same thing 40 years later.



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I Have Never Seen The Secret but In My Personal Opinion I Believe Our Mind Has And Makes A Big Difference In The Way We Run Our Lives Or Live Them Because We Are Constanly Thinking And The Thoughts That Enter And Leave Our mind Hasve A Great Impact On The Decisions We Make During The Day,Week,MontYear, And Life Itself......



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I haven't seen the Secret but yes, our minds do have that much power. You need only learn how to use it.

Start with a book calle The Inner Temple you can find it at Dalton Bookstores.



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I haven't seen the movie but I could see how it works.... I do it all the time.... in the last 6 months I put it to the test with out even really knowing it... it's something you don't notice until after the fact..... lol



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i dont think it is sounds like bullshit to me
but that is my opinion



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Hells6Lil9Angel
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I have never seen the movie but I do believe that a properly trained mind could pull something like that off.



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madbeau
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havent seen it but i know which movie you are talking about and nothing like that has happend to me, after all i thihnk about money all the time and i never have money LOL



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Thinking outside the box has many benefits and few down sides.Illusions stun us illusions of stability keeps us from thinking we need to see a wider perspective with balance to imagination and resource management.Then be able to articulate the idea to the right people involved so there is structure of network.a person with a thought is as good as the tools held at ready.Conspiracy or pro-spiracy to the horizon and beyond.For thought is a scope to both.
If you think life is unfair it may appear that way if you see life as mired it will show you mired,if you view life as fair it will show you both "good"and "bad"equally,that you may know it is better.Knowing what you think is possible a key perhaps.



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Ive never seen the movie. But the thing such as worring about being late and you will be late isnt entirely right. Last year and the year before I was always worried about being late to school and I was never late



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I have never heard that they came out with the movie for this... But I have read some of the book.
I thought of these possibilities before I read it so I do believe it's true.
If you think about it, most of the time it will happen...



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i havent seen the secret but i have heard about it. i do believe that we might just might have those powers



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All you have to do is think back to when you dreeded getting that last bill and you got it. Or how you were so in debt and you just could get out. Its because you kept thinking negative and you kept bringing it to you.

Now think about that one special person you have in your life right now. Did you imagin kissing them, being with them before you were with them? You attracted it.

Its not putting people adgainst their will or anything but your attracting it to you. If they want the same thing then it will happen. You send off "vibes" as so do they.

Its common sence if you think about it. Everything we are tofay is caused by the laws of attraction. And you will be able to change your life around for the better if you learn how to use it yourself.



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very interesting, I never thought about it until now...Hmmmmmmm.......



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It is interesting!! :)



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The Secret.... Originally was a manuscript passed among members which explained the rules to aquire your desires; later it became a book, missing many of the rules and simplified greatly.... Later it was turned into the movie you speak of.

The manuscript is the concept in its entirity, but you have to be invited to receive it, and there is no charge for it. It does work for tangibles such as money, but not so well on other things, probably because I really did not desire them.

I received my invitation about 7 years ago.



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i heard the cd when i was visiting and old family memeber the help alitlle in the visualization process



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i heard the cd when i was visiting and old family memeber the help alitlle in the visualization process



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I think it is very possible and it has happened to me quite often



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the mind is really powerful, and we humans dont use not even a 10% of its capacity... so i think that we can do and get whatever we want just with the power of the mind...



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sanctifiedbeing
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Oh yeah no doubt! Our minds are so much more powerful then we give it credit. We could do so much but we dont because we are bound by society. We cant really think outside the box but this helps to open our minds so much more.



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As I have watched the movie,I can tell that it changed my life complitely. Everybody can do this because eveyone could be happy and be grateful.And as you are happy and gratefull and don't think about the stuff you don't want your life can change too.And when you realise this, that every man is capable to do that you will be happy,you will have money and you will find your soulmate,thats a great movie and now I have a boyfriend,the most perfect guy on the planet and I have my own apartment,I write a book and I have all the things I want because I believed that my destiny is in my own hands and being happy is not so hard as it looks.



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See thats what Im talking about!! Great post!! ;)



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Everything is a reflection. In the world=mirror we see whatever we expect to see. In every aspect of our life, we could be sure that something is happenning only because we expected it to happen.

I haven't seen the movie but it's seems interesting and I would like to watch it...



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I think it's possible with faith to do this, also as a person, especially a witch gains in spychic powers I believe their words can come to pass, thats why they must watch what they say.



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Graditude-  i was raised on the belief in positive thinking. "If you believe you already are a millionare you will eventually become one."  One key ingredient was missing - Gratitude for what i had. This is an important part of the secret.  If you fous on the stuff that is lacking that is what you get more of. So you believe, so you recieve.  



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Our thoughts absolutely do not effect what happens. If you are thinking about something then you are much more likely to notice things that deal with what you are thinking about. It’s all coincidence and really even that. It’s just what you notice and how you perceive things. Nothing is any different than it would be just because you are thinking about it. Maybe just in case I am wrong you could think about me having more money though.



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I believe that we do not use enough of the power that our brain possesses. So I think this is possible but to what extent I do not know.



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I have not seen the movie or read the book, but I do see some truth to what is being shared here. I try to always remain posivitive and reject negativity. This is hard during the bad times, but do-able.

The last six months I have seen "suddenlies", a surprise check in the mail, and unexpected refund, etc. I remain greatful for them and look forward to the next time fortune would smile upon me. I say to my self a lot "Good fortune and peace follow me". I find it helpful.

In my humble opinion,
Rev. Ravyn



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I've never really thought about it but I guess it does kind of make sense.



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Actually I think its quite the opposite. Instead of the item you think about being attracted, its repelled.



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i wish by thinking about money i would get becuase if that was true I would be doing that ALL FREAKING DAY becuase i am in desperate need of finacial help



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Yeah, most likely it will repell.


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the mind has more power than any one could imagine so anything is possible if you put your mind to it



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the mind could do anything.



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i have never seen the movie but thinking about this i believe it is so for no matter what if i say i am going to be late i am and if i don't want to be early i am



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I have never seen or even heard of the movie you speak of, but as for powers of the mind. The human brain is mostly an untapped resource so if one was to learn to use and or harness its power there is no telling what one could be capable of!!!!



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never seen or heard of



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I belive the mind has more power than most people choose to belive . If you think it hard enought you can do it .



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My mother is very wrapped up in this belief. She has the book and the movie. Does seminars about it at her work. I have yet to see this work for myself but I do think it might be possible.



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As has been said I really believe that by focusing on the negatives, you enhance the chances of the negative thing happening to you. I don't think you need books to help, just to realize what you are doing and to try not to focus so much on such things.



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mystikalmoon15
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Yes, this may be true because the mind is a very powerful thing....



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It's all about being optimistic. If you believe good things will happen to you, then good things will happen to you. If you believe only bad things will happen to you, then only bad things will happen to you.



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my opinion?

when u think bad things, bad things happen

when u think good things, bad things happen

and when u dont think, VERY bad things happen

cant win ^^



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makes since. if you think something is going to happen, you unconsously stop trying as hard to prevent it. or if it's good, you make ,ore of an effort for it to happen, thus, it generally happens.



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Yes. I've had it happen numerous times. What I'm thinking about will happen. It could be that it happens because you are thinking about it, but it could also be a form of ESP. I don't mean forced thoughts like worrying though~ I mean daydreams that you just start thinking about for no apparent reason.



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Haven't seen it. Rather read the book. Who is the Author?



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No I have not seen the movie but I do believe that the mind has a lot more power then most poeple will admit to.



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