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There has been a lot of debating on whether Vampires are evil or not. I believe some are and some aren't. I believe we are the same as everyone else but we have to survive of blood to sustain energy so we are just trying to survive like everyone else especially because most vampires don't kill there there prey just take energy and blood.

So I want to get everyones thoughts on this topic. Are we evil for what we do or simply a species trying to survive?

Well Humans are generally evil as it is... I doubt it is for us to judge whether or not someone's evil... Also, evil is in the eye of the beholder.

As far as vampires being evil- of course people are going to think that. Is it really a surprise? People are taking a name from a fictional monster just because they have a life that 'parallels' it. Now, if you were calling yourself a grasshopper, because your life paralleled a grasshopper... evil? Not so much :)

Well I look at it this way. No one ever calls a wild animal evil when it kills another animal for food. Why should we be considered evil for us living off the blood of humans for energy.

The young grasshopper has a good point, HA!! As for the interpretation of evil, it IS all within the eye of the beholder. Who are we to judge who is evil and who is not? Do we even know the meanings of good vs evil aside from what we are taught by societies views?

Your body can survive with out blood being consumed.

There are other natural substitutes which do not require the imbibing of living prana in a the form of blood. A nice fresh salad will do quite nicely.

Its just the rush, the dominance which one gets the rush on. One of the reasons why many of the Major houses publicly operating are so quick to deter their membership from actually blood feeding.

To blood feed is an option. The rush of that life that you take into yourself, is an option for every one who considers themselves a vampire. Other ways exist to repair or exist off of the deficit energy in their systems, or the correction of that deficit to repair the problem.

We are no one to judge. Judeo-Christian concept or not.

Infernalmage,

I was under the distinct impression that the reasons that 'major' Houses, and other influential groups, are shying away from the public admission of blood feeding, was due to the potential legal ramifications and negative media attention.

The 'rush', as you put it, is a part of that and I would agree that there would be a potential for becoming addicted to that sensation, as a drug addict does, but that in itself is not the sole component of the feeding exercise.

Stating that one gets the same from a salad as they would from another living being, is incredulous to me and I'm curious as to how you came to believe that assertion.

Its the principal behind it.

Yes there are the legal reasons why major houses shy away from such things.

But again, for those who know what energies they are lacking in their lives, then they can go directly to feed that source. Like when your craving some type of food over another. Its the same with the vampirism as it manifests in the individuals who I have conducted my studies with. That if they can channel the currents through the elemental properties of the food they consume then they can stave off the blood lusting, and the rushes.

but the point of this thread is to comment on ones views as good and evil. Sadly i got distracted in my posting. So I will finish up my point.

That if one can say subsume the firey currents which they find themselves getting sustained on, when they feed from one of firey disposition. They can instead seek out peppers, or some other firey plant, and when that plant is at its peak, and the currents are flowing strongest then they consume that. The results are better for the overall mood of the individual then the Bestial emotions which feeding on human blood creates.

So its neither good nor evil, just a point of view as to how one saits their hunger. Going for the nearest burger at the burger joint, or taking the time to cook a decent meal.

Humans are the "fast food" of the pranic world. If you must eat of something, then do so, but in a way which is consentual.

To the cows are we evil for eating them? What makes it okay to eat a cow over a dog? Or a Snake? Or fish? over other living things? They would eat us, if we were what they considered a food source.

So it goes back to feeding that need of the deficiency. If you feed that which you lack, your overall currents will be stronger. Like if one was to feed the cells the nutrients within the body, instead of feeding apitite. The cells regenerate and do more for the body then something to sait hunger, and so on.

Its perspective over what you see yourself as?

A bestial force allowed to prey on those weaker. An advanced force which sustain itself to the best of its ability while applying the knoweldge of the greater worlds to ensure the best possible levels of survival.

I think it depends on the character of the vampire. Just like in people, I think that there are good and bad vampires and that they aren't "born" good or evil, that they choose which path they want by themselves.

i think much as people, vampires are either good or evil. to state that humans are inherently evil (as some have suggested above) is just plain old misinformation.

There's a strain of political correctness even on vr. No one wants to say it's bad to take blood from humans, so words like "consensual" are used, comparisons to feeding off animals are stated, and theories on substituting other food sources are proposed, all to avoid saying that drinking human blood ain't a "good," behavior. It's a fetish, not necessary for survival, and potentially dangerous. And evil isn't in the eye of the beholder, or the period of history, or the economic or cultural variables present. Starving a small child in a dark closet is evil, forevermore. It's not a matter of popular consensus.

Evil is in the eye of the beholder - kinda like beauty. Mostly evil through fictional works. Evil is a relative term and I agree with Laginappe (excuse the spelling!)

Evil is in the eyes of the beholder. There may be some things we all agree to evil as the above example of a child in a closet, but in some societies, they placed their girl babies on the side of a mountain to die because they would rather have a baby boy to eventually work the fields.

Drinking human blood these days has many danger, as would even the blood of cattle if they were diseased.

In terms of what animals we eat, some parts of the world eat dogs and horses, we, in the US see dogs and horses as pets, so we don't eat them. In some parts of the world, eating cows is evil, but we raise them for food.

I honestly dont feel that vampires are all evil.... Like one said above.. evil is in the eyes of who is looking. Doing horrible senseless things is more discribing evil for me there for if indeed they need blood to live then its survival and I wouldnt count that as evil... it only gets evil when there is no moderation.... much like our own (human) 7 sins.... i think the same rules apply

Even looking at it from a vampires point of view, if humas were raised as food or hunted for food, and not seen as companions, a vampire may not believe it evif to use humans for food.

But anyone these days that consider themselves a vampire, I would believe sees other humans as more than just but also companions. Thereby using them only for food to be evil.

I honestly believe that Vampires chose to be who they are just like we do. If we chose to be bad then so be it, if we chose to be good then that is what we chose. I think Vampires are the same way. Such a beautiful thing cannot just be born evil.

Okay so we still really have not got no where because everybody has there own opinions.

We can agree that no one can judge another.

But the question is that you want to find is why they judge us?

I believe they do so because they are afriad they have never tried it so they do not know

This always has produced fear for most when something new or the unknown happens.

Because it takes them from there everyday normal lives and that affects a lot of people.

So they do it for not knowing just as they did in the salem witch trials and the holocaust.

They can not be blamed for this if we want to stop the criticism then we must educate them on this not think of them as ignorant.

Because we are the ones acutually being ignorant for we are not teaching and they would understand more if they were thought about it.

Some vampires are evil and some are not. It is their nature to do vampire things - they need blood to survive. The non-evil vamps aquire this blood without causing a bloody carnage.

I belive that some are evil and some aren't, because it's what we do that makes us evil or not. That's what I think anyways.

well i think everyone is evil except me ...this includes vampires lol

jk

Everyone with a concsisnce...(cant spell)
has an evil streak...its natural.. so yeah vampires are not really evil

besides if ur been evil forever...like a demon..he/ she doesnt know its evil.. its what their nature is

kinda like in aesops scropion and a turtle
turle offers a scorpion a ride across some body of water.. i cant really remember

anyway scorpion pricks the turtle and the turtle tells the scorpion "@#$^* you moron! now we both are gunna die!"
Scorpion says " sorry bub, its in my nature i couldnt help it"

then they both die

anyway the point is

A priest may consider a Vampire evil
but a Vampire may consider himself perfect

I personally believe that vampires are NOT evil unless they chose to be evil. Just like any human, they have the choice of right or wrong. Hollywood choses to make Vampires evil in most movies because of sales. That's all. In some folklore though they are evil.

i cant say if vampires are evil, cause like it has been stated that, vampires are just trying to survive....their food is blood....and if there was no blood, their existance would be no longer

I see this question a lot and mostly it's really bad video games and even worse horror movies. Vampires are good or bad, we all make choices. To be good or evil, is a choice.
The-vampires-are-evil-damned-for-eternity-song, gets really old.I do not consider myself evil, but I am a vampire. I a nurse and I choose to do that.
One does NOT go hand in hand there is no"vampires and evil" there is vampires are good or evil.

well we and everyone and everything killes to survive whether it be for food or protection so I guess we all have some evil in us if you look at it like that .. yet I do not see evil in anyone who kills for survive or food . ...

I think vampires who feed in a manner that leaves little if any damage are simply feeding a need...nothing evil there...but vampires that use excess force and torture their victims are certainly evil...

To me we are not evil, the reasion i say this is we rely on energy to help us live. With that said it is a prey/ predator relationship that we have with humans. Ergo we are seen as evil by them.

evil is all in how you see it. We all wants things its how w get them and are actions they say f where evil are some. To a point we all have some evil in us.

I do believe everybody has evil in them. But Hollywood has made us out to be pure evil. I agree with everyone who said some are and some are not, just like humans. I have been a vampire for 3,000+ years, and for 2,000+ years of that time I was very evil. Recently I have become a more good vampire but I have and will always have an evil part of my heart. Thank you all for your feedback.

I believe it the same as any thing living..

Theres a black wolf and a white wolf inside what evere one you feed the most wins..

if u kill to survie or for protection that doesnt make u evil, ur just wanting to survive another day.......

individuals are evil not species

mythical vampires are evil. living vampires are human and therefore can be good or evil. so if as many have stated evil is in the eye of the beholder then a person that doesn't believe it's evil to kill every third person they meet then they are a good person? how about a government in order to control population kills any child after the first 2 a woman has, they believe they are doing good by controlling the population. Just because something becomes accepted doesn't mean it magically stops being evil. by the same token just because something is believed to be evil doesn't mean it is. unless you kill someone to get it or take it without permission I have never seen anything that says drinking blood is evil. it may be viewed as weird or abnormal but that doesn't make it evil.

i think that it depends on what type of vamp and how the respond to their environment to feed

Well I guess that would all depend on motive. If a 'vampire' kills someone purely to survive then I wouldn't say this was evil however if a vampire kills for fun then i'd guess this would be seen by many as evil! In real vamp life energy/blood is normally given & recieved in a consenting way therefor how can it be classed as evil?

Vampires get a lot of bad press! Even animals do what they must to survive, and doesn't make them bad.

Anything they do not understand they tend to fear, loath, and associate with the devil or the occult. It is the habit of small minds.
I'm sure that the percentage of good Vs. evil vampires would be the same, if not slightly lower on the evil side than any other population or societal groups exhibit.
This thought being due to the fact that true Vampire societies have an honor bound code of conduct, where most others are indiscriminately breeding honor and codes of conduct out..

motive or not..lol

there *might* be some evil vamps but that doesnt mean if u feed ur evil...

i don't think the Vampires are evil.
we all feed in our own ways. hunter is not evil. just their prey is abit different....

it all depends on our own personalities though.

Prior to the sexed up emo vampires of Hollywood and the creation of categories like modern day psy and sang- vampires were no doubt considered evil. The mythology behind it directly indicates that these blood sucking creatures could careless about having a willing donor or adhering to an ethical standard that modern day vampires appear to cling to.

living vampires do not need to kill humans to survive so if they kill humans to feed they are evil.

In all fiction where vampires are they are viewed as evil for their feeding habits and unnaturally long lives.

I believe something is evil, and something is not, and naturaly it depends on the interest and conduct of the individual.

My question before I answer this is how do you define evil? Everyone has their own defination of evil so for me this is hard to answer because my defination of evil is more than likely different from yours so to truely answer this question we either have to go from your defination of evil as this is your thread or our own.
Going on my defination of evil no I do not think vampires are evil they are just misunderstood by everyone else. The movies do not help either as they show them as almost demonic but I believe that is not how vampires are.

~Lady D~

Well like you said, vampires(I'm talking in reference to today's modern view of the term) don't kill people. They have a psychic connection to others and feed from their energy, or they get a blood donor. I wouldn't be surprised if sangs really do go to the American Red Cross to get 100% "healthy" blood of their same type so they can fulfill their bloodlust.

I say today's modern vamps are just a species who are trying to survive.

Vampires can be either, just like humans. Also depending how you look at them. Modern-day terrorists are looked at with respect by their religious leaders. We look at them as well terrorists. So depending upon how you see them.. it's the way they are to you.

I think humans a more evil than any species on this planet and they don't do what they do for survival.

NyteStalker -

Well .. killing would be one definition of it.

What PolishSiren said..... humans are the most evil hands down!

Both can apply and change as well. All who claim to only do what is absolutely required to continue as a vampire are not fully trustworthy. Those viewed as harsh or self serving often have their worthy side as well.

I shall throw out a few twisted thoughts myself on the topic. First in order to decide if a creature is evil or not we must understand the difference between “good” and “evil” right? I myself do not.
Obviously in my opinion actions describe the above said; if a creature regardless of how dark its soul may be is doing good deeds it would be declared as good, if it is doing evil deeds, it would be evil. A vampire may be a dark creature by nature, but it is its choices that truly determine its being.

Well first of all those that we take energy or blood from are donors NOT prey. We don’t hunt them and to take without permission is a grey area and shouldn't be done lightly and NEVER done with human blood. If you are a Sang and have no skill in energy manipulation well then you will have to learn to deal with animal blood taken in an ethical manner until you can find a donor.

Now those that take energy directly from a person without their permission for no reason other than to do it are wrong and something that should be advised against by the more learned in the community.

NocnaMora-
To me killing really cant be considered evil because than everything and everyone would be evil.When you hunt for meat you shoot it and kill it so a form of killing so to me by your definition of evil the world is evil. But as I said before the one that had posted this depnding on his defintion of evil than I can answer the question better but because everyone as their own definition of evil the answer is based on everyones definition. Because of mine I really cant answer but I can agree with Polish...Humans are the most evil beings on the planet today.

~Lady D~

I still think that evil in this case is relative to the value systems in place.

it really depends on the vampires motives... some could be good and then again some could be bad.. i don't think all vampires are evil... but a sense of the darkside

Good or Evil........all they really are is choices to follow on the path of Light or Dark.

Anyone who has read the works of Konstantinos will know what I'm talking about. I have found his ideas and believes to be quite like my own.

Any and all creatures have choices, what depends is what that choice is that we choose will determine the ultimate outcome.

Why is everone who kills humans evil? Vampires are only trying to survive so then why can they be evil?

In my opinion one can not be evil nor good. It's only point of views, nothing else.

ShadowChaos though good and evil are choices that does not mean it’s all just how others view it. There are some things that are evil no matter what a person tries to say about them. Rape for instance. ALWAYS evil. Murder by which I mean the taking of a human life with no justification. This means killing not in self defense or to save some one or in response to something that has or would destroy the life of another. The last one I can think of is the abuse of a child or animal ALWAYS evil. Now as for Konstantinos well his works are iffy at best and honestly dangerous if you are new to magickal workings. I mean to not even give the proper precautions when showing some one the assumption of the god/dess form ritual is downright negligent on his part.

I agree, those are all good examples of "evil" choices. As they are all choices in the same. Not everyone will consider the same choices as being good or evil. That's what makes things so fickal.

I also agree, Konstantinos' work is not a good choice for the beginner in the Magickal world and should be taken with precautions. But then I'd assume most people would try and get more experience before attempting such rituals. But then again, I've also learned that you should never "assume" anything that one person will do different than another. Some people just lack common sense.

That is exactly my issue with his work he ASSUMES that people will know enough not to make foolish mistakes like not testing the being you are about to let inside your circle and into your body. I mean this is like handing your kids friend a gun just because YOUR child knows enough to target shoot safely on his or her own.

Well then, in that case, if someone is stupid enough to attempt such things without the needed precautions, then whatever they bring upon themselves is no one else's fault but their own. No one made them do such things, everyone has free will and will do things as they like. If they are so foolish enough to do rituals as such without preparation, that is their choice and their own decision and the consequences that follow will be there fault.

A vampire evil simply because he is a vampire? That is what most older vampire movies and novels were about.... just being a vampire makes one evil. Mostly depends on the vampire and how they choose to be, I suppose - after all, a vampire is what the author makes it to be.

As to us, we are what we wish to be - what path we decide to follow.

Ok here is a situation for you: If you where to ask me for a drink that is ok for an inexperienced drinker and I handed you a Chu Hai which is a Japanese drink that tastes like juice but is seriously strong is it YOUR fault that you are going to be drunk and ill after two maybe three? No because I gave you no warning that this was a potent drink that should be sipped slowly and not imbibed at the normal rate. So how is Konstantinos not responsible for placing a warning of some sort if he is too lazy to do it right and place ALL that is needed to do the ritual properly and safely. If you sell something then you are somewhat responsible for your product being safe or at least warning people of the dangers associated with what you sell.

as to the orriginal opening"vampires being evil" are they anymore evil because they drink blood from humans or humans who raise animals for food. whats the differenc? Don't get me wrong. I'm a meat eater. I love a nice rare steak ant day, but at least vampires don't keep us in pens waiting to be slaughterd. Who is the evil here.

Then again, I'd say, that would have to go along with the common sense theory. And also if you look in the beginning of some of Konstantios' books there ARE warnings.

I will have to look at the two books of his I own when I get in to work tomorrow but I am pretty sure is warnings are vague to nonexistent. I am not saying that he is totally bad just a tad irresponsible and that some of his material is a little fluffy.

To say that vampires are evil is stereotypical. That's like saying that all people with blonde hair are dumb. You can't define a group by the actions of one member of that group.

Well, aren't we all irresponsible to some extent? No one is perfect. But we are all entitled to our own opinions on things. Simply put, they are opinions that everyone shares and nothing much more since no one has to believe anyone but themself.

Some of us vampyres are evil...yet most of us arent.....We are a species that is trying to survive....as stated before most of us are good and we just take what we need from our victims and let them be on there merry way....why others just kill for the fun of it...which is wrong...and a hell of a mess to clean up hahaha....

I do believe that we are just a species trying to survive in this hell world...and humans will call us evil because we are different...Yet even tho most humans work with vampyres side by side and not even realize it. and if they do find out most will say that they wouldnt expect that person to be one yet alone kill someone for just blood.....so it all depends on the humans and the vampyres whether or not they believe they are evil or good.

who knows? There been so many good vam and bad , so yeah?

Abraisha I really hope that you are not serious in what you said. I mean come on... vampires ARE HUMAN! Those that we feed from are not victims we don’t hunt them. They are willing donors or we find other ways of getting the energy we need. To attack another to get blood or prana or to think that we are anything other than human is a sign of INSANITY.

mortals can thing evil that they don't understand.

Evil is a concept of what we think it is...it is a word to instill fear in people...societies views on things they do not understand.

Just because it may not seem natural for some they think that it is based on evil..due to religious beliefs or just because it is different then what is normal for them.

Everyone is different...that doesn't make them evil...so in my opinion I would not worry if someone thought that me or my lifestyle was evil as long as I was happy and harmed no one else.

Live and let live and don't worry about the rest.

vampire can be good or evil.... by there actions

all of us arent evil because i am not i just do what i have to to get by with life people are just scared of what they dont know

I believe that it depends on the person. We all have the capacity to be good or evil and its what we choose that makes us the way we are.

I agree blood raven, but what we think is evil varies based on our own reference frame.

what is this interpataion of evil, what hollywood shows on the silver screen or what the papers dwell on every morn. i think evil is what an individual percieves as not copying the societies structure of everyday living. to me evil is in the individual not because of race or group or religion or vampire or lycan.

Both good and bad Vampires exist in movies and television...

Like if you have ever watched Moonlight for instance...he plays the good guy. Doesn't force himself onto victims for getting blood...I'd think that is the only reason they are considered being evill. The fact that vampires need blood and the 'bad' vampires would use force to obtain it where as the main character in Moonlight doesn't. He actually helps humans.

I suppose the fact that they are the undead would be another reason they are considered evil... but that is really a whole new perspective on it.

it all depends on what the vampire has done to dertimine if he/she is evil or good

Vampires are bread as Evil and can turn good like the film Blade thats what we don't want again, we lost Dracula over that

first off vampires are etnaly dammed souls so if that dosen't make us evil i don't know what does. but i do think that there is good and evil for exp. you can feed off of anamals (sorry can spell today) instead of humans. so yes i do beleave that you can be good or evil

If all vamps were purely evildoers they'd be utterly predictable and very boring.

In every form or being there are good and evil. Be it Vampires or humans. It's just a simple matter of choice in reality.

guitilystar2 -

Proof?

I think vampires do have some evil about them. Whether it's media effected or not, I think vampires are at least somewhat evil. Yes, they do whatever they need to to survive, but something about them just oozes sinister in my eyes.

To me vampires aren't evil they just have a harder way of life then the rest of human type creatures......I love the whole vampire thing so I don't think they are evil at all...unless they try to kill you.

'Killing' is not instantly evil. People eat meat all the time, are we all evil?

Seems I just answered this same thread a week or so ago. Anyways, just because someone is vampire, that does not make them evil. It is all about choices, I don't think there is some overpowering force that makes us to evil things. That is just in video games and the like.

Well first of all we have to establish whether vampyres actually do exist. The fictional vampyre can be either good or evil depending on how they are portrayed by the author. The people that follow a vampyric lifestyle are often associated as evil because of the few examples they have been given. For example, when someone kills another person for their blood the world remembers this. Most people also tend to judge all others that follow that path the same way they judged the person that killed the people.

Vampires are not evil as a whole. Like humans, vampires can choose to be evil.

All creatures have a basic instinct to survive. Vampires must feed to live. I don't think that makes them evil.

As far as evil being in the eye of the beholder and no one being able to say whether another is evil or not I would not agree. Evil is defined as immoral, morally wrong or bad, harmful, etc. If you murder I believe anyone should call this evil. Last time I checked this is wrong no matter how you were raised. As far as if all vampires are evil. Well that would just depend on their actions just as it would for any human.

I think its very easy to define evil.

Evil is doing harm to others knowingly
Evil is Killing with no remorse or care
Evil is torturing others


Evil takes a great many forms but most can fit in these.

You want evil. Look at the genocide that takes place around the world. Please are killed and mutilated just for being born in the wrong place or having the wrong hair color or eye color.

You want evil. Look at big business in the United states. There are millions of Children with out health care because we dont have socialized medical coverage like in other country's like the UK. Children dieing because some Fat cat in a $3000 Suit wants to buy his fat wife another 10ct diamond necklace for Christmas. Thats evil.

Evil is forcing people who have been given a diagnosis of a terminal illness and are not allowed to has assisted suicide. Thats right we make these poor people suffer in pain and load them up with drugs so that same fat cat can make a buck off them too. That evil.

Evil is the bastards who go on suicide bomb raids and take out people who have nothing to do with them.

Evil is these kids who go phyco and shoot up their school becasue they were picked on.

Guess what I was picked on my whole childhood and I did not go nutz and shoot my whole school.

Evil is that mother who decides to kill her self and take her children with her and drives into a lake or shoots them in the head ... and you know what 9 time out of ten the dumb mother chickens out and cant do her self in.

THATS EVIL>>>>>>

Any living thing can choose to be evil or not so be it

I think its just our way to survive. We are not evil, just different.

I concur with a few others. Vampires are not all evil. There are those that choose the lifestyle and those that have no choice. There are some very passionate and some way out of control. And others yet still somewhere in between. It depends just as humans, what they long for, who they are, their settings, desires, wanting to be alone or part of a group. Can they be evil sure, can it be control of course...

Human beings slaughter thousands of cattle, chickens, goats, sheep, pigs, and other animals for sustenance. Many of these people don't eat the entirely beast, wasting things such as brains and kidneys. (C'mon, how many people do you know waste the giblets in Thanksgiving turkey?)

They also kill and collect animals such as pheasants and cougars simply for the joy of hunting and to hang the animals' head or other piece on a wall. They continue to hunt even endangered species such as rhinos and jaguars.

Vampires--whether they exist or not--are often depicted as feasting on at most a human per every few days. They usually kill for revenge or hunger.

Humans only consider vamps evil because their diet is, well, Homo sapiens in general.

Kill off an entire species of bird or reptile, and the person is merely considered cruel or greedy, rarely evil. Eliminate a few people from the six billion population of human beings and you are branded as evil. It is mostly human selfishness that places vamps and other such creatures in that category.

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