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James Cameron director of Titanic in 1997 was on Good Morning America today...he believes he has found the real Tomb of Jesus Christ and even his family Mary Magdalene and his son Judith. Which would make a lot of the things said in the Da Vinci Code true. Do you think this is real or all a hoax? What is your opinion when he says he isn't trying to mock Christianity is he telling the truth? What do you think of these findings?

A documentary presenting the evidence, "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," will premiere on the Discovery Channel on March 4 at 9 p.m. ET/PT. The documentary comes from executive producer James Cameron and director Simcha Jacobovici.

I would love to answer this FACTUALLY, but it would cause an uprising to say the least.

So I'll make it short.

No it isn't his tomb. PUNTO!!!!

This tomb was discovered about 10 years ago and didn't rock the world then. Cameron is really into trying to bend archeological evidence to meet his beliefs. I believe his main evidence was the names which were pretty common names for that time period.

That is what the first person to ever stumble upon the tomb said and I know that that is very true...I myself believe it is Cameron trying to make what he believes is correct.

I have to jump in on the side of the nay sayers.

The names on the ostuaries were very common at the time of Jesus' life.

There was an Israely "Antiquities collector" a few years back who claimed to have possesion of an ostuary that Jesus's brother's reamins were entombed in. After extesnive research into the facts, it was discovered to be a fake.

I think Cammeron has just milked all he could out of the Titanic and is looking for another cash producing route.

I was under the impression that James Cameron considered himself religious and that this wasn't intended to destroy faith but reinforce it. I find that his narration of these documentaries (he's done others like this on the Arc of the Covenent) is a bit too much like drinking his own Kool Aid. He's trying to sound like he's being unbiased but what he's saying is VERY biased and it comes across as disingenuous.

If I recall my bible... Mary and Joseph were poor. I think it is fake if for no other reason but by looking at this logically, they would not have been able to afford a family tomb.... Who knows, Im not scientist nor am I an archeologist.

i think until there is direct proof that this is real and not someones perception being bent to fit , it will never be true.

It is a seductive thought, I, however, fully expect a classic discovery channel dig with a cliffhanger at the end.

It'll be interesting to watch. Most people don't even realize the word Jesus is a Roman title and not a name and that there where more than one 'Jesuses' running around at the same time all claiming to be prophets.

This will be just as good as the new talks about Noah’s Ark being discovered.

I agree until there is enough proof I have to remain a sceptic . But I will watch the episode and make a judgement from there.

I do fully intend to watch it, I must admit to being intrigued.

i think it wont be proper to make any comments here about it . it needs great research and moreover it may hurt some section of the people too.

I don't believe this is true- even Dan Brown (author of The DaVinci Code) explained in the interview of the DVD's special features that he took a bunch of rumor and conspiracy theories to create a great suspense movie. It's all entertaiment. I love the entertainment- even though I don't believe any of it. I enjoy a good imagination.

how the fuck could they find his tomb and his familys tombs. he was NOT married. he had NO children. and he never had his own tomb. some people should read the bible.

His name was Joshua and there was many others named the same. If he left any bones behind, they would have been saved and locked in a save place many years ago. There is no way in Hell that everyone in his family is in the same tomb. He didn't have a family plot. lol.

There is a story that he had a daughter but not son. There have been stories that his real body is buried in India, and Mary (his mother) buried in Pakistan.

I have no doubt this is all BS and will end the same as all the other History/Discovery stories - 'it could be true but we'll never know for sure.' I'm still waiting to hear someone say his family is really buried in Atlantis or Avalon.

I will not waste my time. I'll be coloring my hair instead.

I've heard that his family is really buried in Atlantis (or Avalon).

Well, there could have been someone named Jesus...But, I thought Jesus(the holy guy) was to have had a daughter named Sarah, but it's all speculation. Lets say, I hope it is bull because I don't want to have to change my beliefs! As far as the Davinci Code, great book.

The da Vinci code was interesting and a good story that didn't pretend to be real. Sort of like the stories about clues hidden in the dollar bills or decloration of Independance. This might have been an interesting film if they hadn't tried to say it's real. If I want to believe a lie I can go to a used car lot. This is not the tomb of Christ or any of his family. Since he was supposed to have been executed by the Romans, I don't think they'd then allow a tomb to exist that could be used by the followers of a faith they were fighting against.

He has the right idea... really, nothing makes more money or gets more publicity than stories about Jesus. Especially in America.

Hoax or not, he knows where the money is.

25 February 2007
CHRIST'S BONES 'FOUND INSIDE ANCIENT TOMB'
By Steve Dinneen
THE bones of Jesus, Mary and Joseph may have been discovered in Jerusalem - then stolen again according to incredible claims in a new book.

Authors Simcha Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino say scientists uncovered a burial chamber under an apartment building in 1980, inscribed with the names of the holy family.

Their book The Jesus Tomb claims three sets of bones were discovered which DNA tests proved were related and dated back to the times of the New Testament.

The bones were found among 10 other sets of remains, all of which were moved to the Rockefeller Archaeological museum outside Jerusalem.

But in a Da Vinci Code-style twist, while the other 10 sets of bones were catalogued, the holy remains were left outside in a courtyard and stolen before further tests could be carried out. The Jesus Tomb has attracted scepticism from many academics who say the remains are unlikely to be those of Jesus and his family.

History professor Amos Kloner said: "At least three other ossuaries have been found inscribed with the name Jesus and countless others with the names Mary and Joseph.


"It is just not possible that a family who came from Galilee would be buried in Jerusalem."


But the authors believe the chances of another family living in the same place at the same time and with the same names are one in 10million.


THEALMIGHTY13:

If this all holds true with the DNA testing and so forth, then you might as well throw your new testament bibles out the window and burn them.
I am a very skeptical person anyway when it comes to religion, I need hard, concrete evidence to believe what the bible says. Afterall, Stephen King and Anne Rice have written some of the most prestige and unbelievable stories of our time. Who's to say that people way back then didn't have the imaginations Stephen King and Anne Rice do and made up the stories in the bible?
There are already conspiracy theories regarding Jesus and his disciples. I'm wondering how many more are going to be made now with this "lost tomb of Jesus Christ".

I belive it to be a hoax, but true or not, it will be interesting to watch the program. If for nothing else then the debate that it is going to create.

few years ago this news surfaced in UK media but went un-noticed. it wasnt till the da vinci code that there was interest on the topic.

where did jame found the tomb? as far as i know mary magdalene was buried in france when she fled the east. she was pregnant with her daughter named sarah. there are so many documentary books saying that it is the real nameof their child.

besides if this proves that the davinci code is true, then james' discovery is false because according to dan brown, the body of mary magdalene is hidden by a secret society called the priory of sion.

Well, I'd like to watch it before I coment. So I will.

I personally cannot comment on a documentary I have not seen nor can I a test to the evidence that may or may not be cited during the documentry.

Anyone who claims to know the evidence at this point must be one of the films producers or may just channeling their psychic ability. My guess is that probably no one knows what this documentary will reveal or not reveal and any comment on it is merely speculation or opinion based solely on faith and absent in fact.

I dont believe any of it.... Just like apprently they found Noahs Ark & a piece of the driftwood. Right along with the secret books of Judas *rolls eyes* They are always trying to come up with something since the Da Vinci Code came out......

Don't worry everyone if nothing else this will make great T.V. I'm sure this will be on Fox right after when Animals attack 4

I think this is going to be really good and I would not be surprised to find that the Da Vinci code was right on. and I can't wait to see that program.

LOL and it probably will end up there but the "What If" aspect is staggering

from what I know a lot of ppl have claimed to have found Jesuses tomb but others have said that they are not sure if thats his tomb or not so I really dont know what to believe on that one myself

I really doubt they found the tomb of THE Jesus. I mean, that's like looking for the tomb of some guy named "John Smith". How many thousands of graves of guys named John Smith are there lying around? Exactly.

I don't think it is as much as a hoax as people think. We all know that Jesus existed or so I hope people know he did... Proof exist not only in the bible but other text. Yes Jesus's name is for a fact a popular name but we can't dismiss it based on little evidence that we have at the current moment. We just have to wait and see what happens with the idea.

I don't perticularly believe it is true however... I find it kind of out there and there is a lot of things against it but I can't claim my opinion 100% true yet. I have to read and look into it more.

Welll.... there is alot of conspiracy around 'Jesus' and I personally don't think that his tomb was found(personal opinion) But then you have to look at the facts and welll... lets just say that the answers are not on this forum..because you trully won't find out without doing your own research and then their are alot of questions that need to be answered...but all I can say is that your answers are not here...

wow that is oneheck of a discussion.... I dont know what to believe on that..... I know I would like to see the lost part of the bible though

Considering it's hard to prove Jesus ever existed with exception to the bible, then I would assume that his tomb doesn't exist either. It's a rather neat way to explain a resurrection... a man that never existed to begin with except as a folk hero.

There is proof Jesus has existed not just through the bible. THe Dead Sea Scrolls is another source as well as other historical finds that have proven his existence. Whether he is the son of God or a messenger of God or God himself is up to the believer. I think they found proof in other works as well as digging up a few things indicating his stay mostly in Galilee (if I am not mistaken).

Anyway he was a central figure during that period.

well I think you sould do a little more studding just look around you you will see Him.

Also to mention The bible does hold some historical value and has been proven through science and discovery. Though not everything in the bible is true and is clear metaphors some of the noted historical parts of the bible have been proven.

Yes I did a little research.

Trust me I am not Christian by any means but I do believe that some of the information in the bible as well as other text have proven true over research and discovery.

finding jesus christ?! wow is that guy crazy? nobody really knows where jesus was born and far as mary, nobody knows if she was with jesus... and judith wasnt he the guy that turned jesus in? so how could judith be jesus son and mary be his wife or what not? so its a hoax, just trying to get in the business again.

it very likely is a hoax...but no more of one than some guy rising from the grave to ascend into the heavens...
think about it people...seriously

It is most likely a hoax. They keep trying to explain inconsistencies.

I don know if i believe they found his tomb but i do believe a lot of the de vinci code is true. I always believed Jesus had a child & wife or lover.

Hey they thought they found something to be Noah's Ark, so really anything is possibly.. I find it rather exciting even if it is not so.. I wonder who it really is in that tomb anyway!~NFA

just think how many people have supposedly found his tomb and what about the so called shroud of christ is taht a fake or after he apparently came back did he run of with mary magdaline the whole catholic church could be founded on a lie???

"James Cameron director of Titanic in 1997 was on Good Morning America today...he believes he has found the real Tomb of Jesus Christ and even his family Mary Magdalene and his son Judith. Which would make a lot of the things said in the Da Vinci Code true. Do you think this is real or all a hoax?" (Mieta1)

Hoax.

These ossuaries containing bones were discovered seventeen years ago and it was revealed at the time that they had nothing to do with Jesus or His family.

In fact, Jesus' name does not appear on any of the ossuaries as falsely claimed by this most recent attempt to promote and further a well-known heresy originating with the Masons, ie that Jesus did not die on the Cross and that he and Mary Magdalene married and had children.

The scratches on one of the ossuaries they attribute to Jesus' name actually reads as something else entirely.

How many times does a hoax need to be exposed to stop these greedy people from cashing in on it and bandwagoneering to bulk up their bank balance?

Wow a lot of opinion I'm glad to see all these facts and opinions.

New question to add for those who think it may be possible that this is a real find....how do you think this will affect people of the Christian religion? As I've seen one person here say that they didn't want to have to change their beliefs because of this.

It will devastate a lot of people...people look to Jesus Christ and the lord for inspiration and power...believing in something as divine as this has improved the sense of many people could the world start to decline as more people come to realize that what they believed in could possibly be all fake? Or would will withstand this?

The way I see it if you believe something so much and get so much power off of it would you really deny it? Or just keep living?

lost tomb of jesus?.....i think not we would be better off looking for billys natural hair color...hehe...just kidding billy.

I think that if it were to be proven to be the remains then hindreds of devought christians would flock to the sight like a pilgramage, and that many others would be very confused because the bible contradicts itself in so many places.

Well here's a little ditty:

Since (Jesus) was a priest after the order of Melchesidek, and Melchesidek was known as the King of Peace and Jesus as the Prince of Peace, it would stand to reason that a King is greater than a Prince.
If Jesus was a priest after the order of Melchesidek then he would have had to go through the seven schools of Melchesidek.....and no not as a child.....you enter the schools at the age of 40 so that blows the cruci-fiction theory.
And why come disguised as a gardener, bump into a person who knows you and tell them to LIE for you. If you had died on the cross why worry about being seen.

I'm not asking these as questions for myself I already know the answers, I'm just putting it out there for some to think about.

I call myself a Christian, but the Bible in and of itself cannot be the real deal, looking at history.

I am drawing my information from history, I am not stating fact. Just to prevent confusion. There really was a council of Nicea that decided what was and wasn't part of the bible, it was called by Constantine. At this meeting it was declared that Father, Son and Holy Spirit were one and the same. The reason they did this was to effectivly outcast those who believed that these were three different entities. Who knows what other things were decided there?

The Roman Emperor I mentioned last time is named Theodocious I, he was the one who made christianity official, if he hadn't, it is speculated that christianity would have died out.

It is very possible that after this Council of Nicea, held long after Jesus's death, also declared that he had no family. Remember, what was decided here is what we know today of it, all sorts of things could have been changed and ommited.It could very well have happened that Jesus did marry Mary Magdaline and had childrem with her. My point is that if Jesus was crucified on the cross, the simple beliefs against him and Christianity would make it much more likely that jesus was not buried woth his family. It is possible that Mary and her child were buried together, since they could have lived the rest of their lives in some sort of peace.

I will, however, watch the documenary and see what is has to share.

If this documentary reveales something substantial, it would not affect my personal beliefs. I cannot take the Bible as being truth when it has been minipulated so much through history, and theerefor, if something were to be proven true that contradicts the Bible, I would not be suprised.

Being a raised a Catholic, I cannot fall for this tripe.....whatever your religion...and or beliefs, be they in the "Gods" or what have you......all this is,... is a potiential disruption of the faith of humanity! Don't fall for it! DO NOT BE OPEN TO SUGGESTION! Stay steadfast in your beliefs,.... and stronge in whatever faith or following,... you may be .

interesting.....I will be watching for the show....I bet the Christian groups are nervouse....lol

well this is going to be a hot topic in the medea as it picks up more steam. my view is that he is missimformed. there is even disput as to the spelling on the coffins. even more importantly is the fact that if he proves it then he disproves the bible witch has been a point of reference for history. if the bible is historicly wrong then we will have to look at all recordings of history. but simply put i think it false.

Keep bashing of religion/Jesus out of this conversation.

thank you for that images...that was the first comment here far that as offensive to me and others here who are catholic/christian.

I don't believe that James Cameron's intention is to destroy faith and neither do I think this discovery (were it well founded and actually proven) would harm Christianity in general. I've seen his past documentaries of a similar nature and his intent seemed to be to reinforce faith (such as his documentary on the Arc of the Covenant). I also think hoax is perhaps the wrong term to apply here. Overly dramatic is definitely a way I'd describe his prior work and perhaps overly optimistic when he attempts to draw final conclusions that still lack a great deal of facts.

Often when a person of faith is trying to prove something that they themselves want to believe, they will infer 'solid evidence' from things that are more circumstantial at best. This is similar to how 'ghost hunters' will perceive temperature changes as proof of a spiritual presence instead of just more unanswered questions. Given his ability to use CGI and dramatic scripting and effects, he makes the evidence SEEM more important and this reinforces his own agenda but I don't think that he's deliberately lying or misleading so much as pushing his perspective on disputed findings.

the few who just "want to watch the show" should realize that the bible and christ is a large part of peoples lives. there is nothing funny about a persons beliefs being questioned or chalanged. oh and as far as having to be 40 you forget he was given the keys.

There is much sensationalism in our media. I will reserve judgement until after the airing.

Regardless if it is true or not, I am sure it will make great tv. There are always questions that are unprovable when it comes to faith. The ones who believe in Jesus Christ and believe he ascended into heaven, will keep on believing just that... and the skeptics will keep on being skeptics.

Ancient history is hard to prove. As several on this thread have stated, the Council of Nicaea meet 325ad- almost three whole centuries after Jesus's death. Imagine playing the game where one person tells a story and then the message goes through a chain of thousands of people before it gets written down... My guess is that there are parts that might be dead on, and parts that might be construed quiet a bit from what really went on.

Even if he was married, had kids, and perished like all mortals, that really doesnt detract from the message of Jesus.

I don't believe they found him.. I also don't believe in the Da Vinci code theories however I do believe there is a whole lot we don't know. I just go by what Jesus stood for. I think that's all that's important.

this will have different impact in catholics. maybe some willhave stronger faith because a claim that finding the tomb of someone they worship proves that he is real. but skeptics would think that it just a hoax. it depends on how people think.

maybe it's worth a try if they compare the DNA of the james cameron's discovery to that of jesus.

Please try to remember that the Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction. I mean, for heaven's sakes peoples! Dan Brown acknowledges that it is a work of fiction!

first off how would we know it was his tomb in the first place,second if it was and that is a big if what would it prove any way besides the fact that the whole jesus thing is fiction any way I don't doubt that there was a jesus I just belive he was just like any other martyr.

Wow. A lot of what ifs in here. That's the big problem with ancient history. You can say just about anything, and there's no real way to prove you wrong. People just use stuff like this to convince the gullible. If they really wanted to prove something, they'd do some serious research and publish it in an archeological journal where professionals can verify the facts.

All this showboating sounds like a plea for attention, and it's banking on the Da Vinci Code tripe that so many people have swallowed without doing the least bit of background research. Honestly.

And has anyone noticed how this kind of religious 'discovery' always seems to come out right before a Christian holiday? Of course, I doubt it's going to change anyone's opinion, other than to piss them off a bit. No one likes having their beliefs constantly being called into question over the most idiotic and unsupportable claims.

Either way, it would be physically impossible for them to prove that any tomb or set of remains actually was Jesus'. With no DNA, the most they could prove is that it was somehow in the realm of possibility that perhaps it was Jesus'.

And using that logic, I could speculate that Chuck Norris has a secret time machine, and that he really was Jesus. He didn't die on the cross, he just took a very long nap. It was all that persecution that made him so violent. Now, prove me wrong.

no it's not his tomb now if you will excuse me I have to go have a brain aneurysm caused by this man

yea but the lost books in the bible are suppose t tell abou his life as a child and mary magdlyn (cant spell it)

Mieta1 get a realaty chekc there is no such things, I have studied for over 13 years the life and everything suroundings the REAL story of Jesus Christ, well there is only tomb and only one, no lost or hidden or secret, just one and it was always the same. I dont care if I am flamm for this but I was a baptist, a protestant, also studied with the mormon, and a bit with the Jewish, and then became a Jehovah's witness all this in about 20 years total, 13 being the last vocation, I was even raised with nouns and in a covent for about 7 years of my school time, now tell me you think some producer of fiction movies know more about Jesus then the reserchers I studied with and the ppl I was surounded by? Along with ym own research for over 13 years in books and other media?

Forgot one last detail, Jesus NEVER had a child, with NO ONE.
Man wake up ppl, if he did think we would just found out now? and that there would be no trace in the bible the book that is relating his life? And the old documents? Dam it, wake up call, why do ppl go for speculation instead of real fact, proven ones, plus the thing is that he came was to give his life for us, (okay dont flamm me yet please) so if he had a kid then this would be stupid of him and wrong cause this would make him irresponsible, so how could he be a perfect price by dying if he was acting iresponsible and stupid?

Either way.. I highly doubt he ran away with mary magdeline..~NFA

I'm looking forward to the James Cameron documentary very much...such entertainment value. No, don't think he found the tomb and resting place of Jesus H. (lol) Christ, or Mary, or Judith. What would be the odds, this is James Cameron we're talking about. Sorry if this offends anyone...but no, I don't believe it for a second.

I think that it is a hoax and all the news channels want to do is talk about it. So no I don't think that it is true.

I saw something about this on T.V. I was wondering how they could compare the dna do they have the dna of jesus on record?

If it is the tomb of jesus then cool. That would mean Christians would have to actualy look at his teachings instead of an easy way to heven.

OH dear they may have to learn something

Thank you Sevenn for putting a tab on that for me.

This thread is about discussion not opinion so much or personal belief...

And exactly Vashti....Even if it was how do your prove it? How can anyone be 100% sure...documents aren't always correct and who's to say that they documents kept were really the truth...a document is written who can say that they are all 100% true? Am I right? Documents of other scientific expeditions have been proved false by new technologies and sciences today.

Mieta1 - You have a point, that is why religion is based on faith not fact. No one may ever know for a fact. Even if we where to stand before "God" you would not KNOW if it where him or some 'Wizard of Oz' want to be with cool parlor tricks we have never seen before.

The fact that all sides arguing over Christ’s existence have been looking for some hard facts or evidence to prove he did and they have all failed. We are only left with faith AND silly capitalistic people making money off the topic and putting together entertaining TV shows.

Actually proof of his existence has been found in documents like said above by other people...but yah...who is to say they are really true.

That is the point. I don't doubt the possibility of a tomb being found labeled as 'A' Christ’s tomb as there where many running around at the same time. But as of yet there have been no facts that ‘THE’ Christ of Christianity existed outside the Bible.

Christ was simply a title, so there could have been tons of them with the possibility that a few would have been buried in tombs that could be later found by archeologists. Look at how many Ministers we have running around today and some even say they work miracles and speak directly to God. In a few thousand years archeologists can find their graves and ponder who they where and others can make shows about them.

[Middle English Crist, from Old English Crīst, from Latin Chrīstus, from Greek Khrīstos, from khrīstos, anointed, verbal adj. of khrīein, to anoint; see ghrēi- in Indo-European roots.]

[Origin: learned respelling of ME, OE Crīst
a teacher and prophet born in Bethlehem and active in Nazareth; his life and sermons form the basis for Christianity (circa 4 BC - AD 29)

A title for Jesus meaning “Messiah” or “anointed one.”

Most likely it is a hoax. Yeshua died then rose. Afterwards, he ascended to be with his father. He never died an earthly death again. James Cameron is just trying to get back into the spotlight.

He may have not had and earthly death but that would not have stopped people from building a tomb so they could better remember him. But to your point, there should not be a body in it if they did build one.

wow this one got some good responces I have enjoyed reading them all

Ah Man!!
This is another of those FAITH spinners!!
I also remember with the arc of the covenent.. DNA was discovered inside the tomb... Th DNA was said to contain only HALF the human Chromosomes!! giving PROOF, it was of the Virgin Child!! Ah OK...
dubious!!


I May watch out of "oh I saw that back then" interest.

myself i dont believe it to be true the same thing has been said in the past only to be proven to be fictional, i am not religous i admit i have my own beliefs but i dont hold a grudge against anyone for their beliefs I hope oneday that something is found to stop the bickering between everyone for their beliefs....so no i dont think it to be true i think there are to many ppl out there playing on ppl's beliefs

here's what James Cameron said about his discovery. i got this from a faily newspaper The Manila Times

"I AM NOT AN ARCHEOLOGIST OR A BIBLE SCHLAR, BUT AS A DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKER I SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF PURSUING THE TRUTH. I KNOW THEY WILL SAY THAT WE TRY TO UNDERMINE CHRISTIANITY. THAT IS FAR FROM THE CASE. THIS INVESTIGATION CELEBRATES THE REAL EXISTENCE OF THESE PEOPLE."

so what do you think about his comment?

He said very clearly, he is a filmmaker and knows nothing of scholarly studies on the subjects of religion and archeology. So he has know right to saw he is discovering any truths. He is only creating something that he can sell to other so they can watch it.

I see then tell me is YOU opinion so eprfect you are not in no way waht so wever in the little bit biase Sevenn? last time I chekc a discussion is base on opinion on a free opne mind, and I only stated ALLL the knowledge I have aquired over thiose MANY years on ALL diferent form of beleif in all sort of open minded opinion sorr yi this not to YOU opinion but I stated that cause fo all I did on reseaxrch on Jesus tomb and all the diferent around the worl research I was able to tput my hand on showed me the fact I stated that there isno secret one, but then again I am biase since its an ipinon and not a discussion on what is withint he guilelines YOU havce establish

Well I hate to be a naysayer, but I find it hard to believe that Jesus's tomb would be found so damn suddenly... and from what I have read of the life of mary magdelane when Jesus passed she left the country! So how was she buried with him? It all raises too many questions and doesn't prove anything really. Guess I would have to watch the show, but I am skeptical!

Exposing thew truth is one thing...however we are starting to have to many different claims that they have discovered this of Jesus Christ and that of him....I too have noticed the show about the findings...however how are they REALLY going to tell if it is his tomb or if it belonged to someone else.....We dont even have the Dead Sea Scrools....but yet we have his tomb???

ive done personal research on this myself, and to be quite honest.... i have no clue, i think somewhere out there it may exist.. it may not... i dont think any one will truly know, it has been a mystery for centuries now, and with many people looking for it, there still has been nothing concrete, and i dont think there evr will be any concrete evidence.

this discovery will not change a thing. it will be just another cool discovery to put in the books.

Sevenn is not biased, CryingMist- we do not preach in the forum. You have to be able to step outside and discuss these kinds of topics withOUT preaching or bashing. If you can't do it- do not post here. No more complaining about the rules here.

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