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Hi, I know that this may seem lame, but I would like to everyones opinion on the profile here on VR and the ratings that they recieve.

A little while back I was rating profile in what I thought was a fair manor, and I gave it a 8, b/c in all fairness, that's what I thought it deserved. This was a premium member's profile, who apparantly rated me a ten. He returned and angrily re rated my profile very low, which was fine if that was his opinion.

I just want to know, do you think that being a premium member makes you deserving of a high rate every time?

That is a very good question, and I hope people can answer it honestly. It is the secondary part of what our coven experiment was exploring.

It seems there are many people who think '10' is the only fair rate, and anything less for even more than a day or so is not ok.

From my perspective, I think this is because people view their profiles as extensions of themselves. So to rate it low is to rate them low.

I don't know when this happened, but the progressive move towards "only 10's" has been a slow one. When I first joined VR there were several that rated as they honestly saw fit and they would express themselves nicely.

Perhaps it is the rude comments and the constant bother of having to "re-rate" that has made people rate just 10's. It is hard to say, but I know it is a real issue here. I've had over 300 messages in the past week; typically I am busy if I get 10 in a month.

I work hard on my profile and it is an extension of me but even I as a person am not for everyone. I have a lifetime pm but I do not expect to get all 10's just because I can see what I have been rated

Along time ago what that person did would have mattered but that has all changed. People got silly and there was a rash of what happened to you so it was changed that the only way you can re rate and have it matter is to rate up. You can't punish someone with your rating anymore.

I know that when I get a low rating from someone, it doesn't feel that great. Because, like Liebe said, my profile feels like an extention of myself.

Being a premium member doesn't automatically make your profile deserving of a high rating, however, members that purchase the premium plan do so for the ability to tweak their profile beyond what is allowed as a free member as well as for the other nice features provided.
That being said you would think that most premium members have put their hearts into designing a unique profile that represents them, not to mention to amount of time involved. To me that alone is deserving of ten. I don’t rate every premium profile a ten. If it’s just filled with graphics from the web and tells me nothing about the person I rate accordingly. Should members get pissed off if the don’t like a rating? I don’t think so. That’s where intelligent polite communication comes into play. If one is so concerned about a high rating it possible it is possible here to negotiate a change. I look at it from an art critique perspective; not every one will like your work. What is beautiful to one may be ugly to another. You know the saying: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are no guidelines or points to define what makes a profile good or bad. If that were the case it would be simple, like grading a test or evaluating a project.

If I can see that a person has really put an effort into their profile they automatically get at least an 8. Unless they are rude without purpose. Then even a profile with nice images gets a low rating.

Ugh...a typo...anyway, one more thought here:

I'm sure people rate based on opinions that have of what is said in the profile. Foe example, if there are references to a religion, musical style, artist or what have you that the rater dislikes or had prejudice towards my guess is they may not be objective and rate lower.
Yes? No?

i made a similar post in the sandbox, there are some people on here that get affended if you dont give them a 10.

i rate every profile with the same thought in mind, did i like what i saw and read. i never give a ten, cause i dont think anyone is oerfect and deserves on, but have given lots of 8 and 9.
i got one person(wont mention any name) that said if i keep down rating that i will start getting rerated lower.
if that is what they want to do, they can, but i will continue to do things the way i have!!!

I agree with Leibe. I think people do view their profiles as extensions of themselves and when rating lowly, they perceive it as they themselves are being rated lowly.

I see why people would rate as they see fit, especially when they've worked hard on their own profile. It seems only right then to rate based on "work done" rather than to give free 10's.

However, I also see the point where one could think that rating one's art, work, and expression of personality, etc.. isn't right, so in giving 10's to everyone, you're being fair.

It can be a tricky thing, rating.

Personally, I have given nothing but 10's. Last I was here, I rated according to what I felt the profile deserved but in doing so, a few conflicts arose. Which is why I am staying within 10's. I don't want the conflict of someone becoming angry simply because I gave them an 8, or oh horrors, a 7.

Yes. I find the rating system a tricky thing, but an interesting system nonetheless.

All this is very true I find I get hurt easily if I get down rated because most of the time it's because of shallow people who think I'm ugly or not skinny enough so they rate low..

I rate by what I feel is right regardless to things if you put effort in your profile you get my ten... Period... This being because someone puts their thought and time into it and to me desrves my ten..

I give new members tens because most of them have no clue how to improve their profiles so I give them my ten to get them started.. I know how I felt as a newbie and had all those 3' and i think the highest for like two days straight was a 6 lol

NO ~~ Keep rating honestly --- I've got low rates and giving those profiles 10 .. I don't let it barther me .

Well, it's good to know we are safe from implosion.

for those who spend time and effort to put there prflie together to represent themselves more deserve a 10 because it shows how creative your mind is ..

I guess PM's worked hard on their profiles, and gave a piece of them selves to it.

That sure deserves a ten.

hellbutterfly08, I had a couple of pm who did the same to me, sadly.

Its their right and fine okay no problem, I wont even argue, but when a pm rate me low cause I need improvement ( and YES i need improvement) I apreciate that it is done because I need improvement, but when as you mentioned it is done out of unhappy mood, it is sad....and shows how much some when get money for a PM...sort of forget they were non pm at one point and a wehlp at one point and it did nto matter then..
I am a pm now and I will admit I still need a lot of work, I apreciate a 10 for my effort, but I respect a rate done out of guidelines the person has set and respect with their own rights.
I dont think anyone can actually get a perfect 10 by everyone...I mean, the top always change, most of the time, and Cancer himself mention, somewhere that his pro needed work, its okay no problem.

I consider that if you rate with your won guidelines, fine if you rate out of loss of your own control...maybe its time to go take a nice warm coco or tea, then once you feel better come back, you will see this a whole new way.
Plus life dont revolve around anyone, not me ether, and Vr is a gift ....it should never become a war zone, its a place for exchange, and enlightement in the gothic and paranormal and vampire comunity.

Lets all get along shall we?

I rate all premium members a 10. They are the ones who support the free loaders who are here

I think its all on the person veiwing the site. On what they determine as a good or normal sight. I myself do not care for the rating whether its high or low. I am not good at construction of the sight i put what i feel people will see as me. I have had person come back angerly and express a rating i did not give them. Does it matter they visit your sight and if they enjoy it usually a friend you will make.

Premium member or not if they put effort into their profile it deserves credit for it. I've seen plenty of pm's that just put some crap together and it's nothing special that doesn't earn a 10 from me. Why should it because they're a pm and support this site? Don't think so I like to do things fairly not everyone can afford a pm...

i think rating you should be honest,, i dont give low rates often ,, but when i do its for a good reason,, i dont think people should give tens just to do so,, yeah it dose get annpying when some one gives you a five,, but what i think is hey this is a site for fun,, dose it realy matter if one person dosnt like your profile when there are others who do

Personally I rate according to how much information a person has on their page. If they have a bunch of pictures and little information then they don't get a high rate. I don't expect all tens on my page, simply because I tend to do some pretty scary things to my profile and not every one likes it(ex: Willy Wonka theme)

Though I do give PM's one rate higher than I would a free member simply because they support the site by purchasing a PM. They don't automatically get 10 from me though, unless I see that the profile is worth it.

I barely rate someone lower than 10. Sometimes 9 and very rare lower than nine.
All who I see have put an effort in their profile, even if it means to put a background, deserve a good rating. If there is something what I personally dislike I put 9. Only then.
I try to be objective as much as I can be.
However if a person who has written a little about himself on his profile and has tons of pictures has rated me low , when I have really put my heart into my profile, sure I would give the rating I think he deserves.

I tend to rate 10's to all.....I don't feel inclined to judge anyones creative content...I dont have any myself.....but then I tend not to get too upset at a low rate.

i generally rate high unless i dont think any effort has gone in or the person is known to be rude

PiNkLuSt > most houses/covens expect a certain rating on their members pages....which may explain newbies getting upset.

Well I try to be fair, and I rate everyone a 10.

No just because your premium doesn't mean you should get a higher rating, i base it on the persons pro if it deserves a high rating then thats what it gets.

I know it is sad, but I also know some coven/houses, say they expect certain rating but,will still consider the person, as a person. I know in our coven we ask for a certain rating in a fact that we want to make sure those who aply, are aware that having our afiliation is not just a symbol on the profile, but also a society to where they can be part of, not just belong to.
And I highly doubt that coven/houses, will refuse a person simply based on the rating. I mean I am sure they are several things they take in consideration to make their decision.

I love to rate people who deserve 10s with 10s

MademoiselleKira

It will be interesting to know what other Coven/House masters think about that.

i feel if that is the rating they feel the need the thats what they should get they shouldn't get pissed just becuase you rated them how you felt.

yea i kinda agree with kingnocturnal

No of course not. I expect people that view my profile to just be fair. I have however put a lot of time and effort into my profile and try to be creative.

Not everyone is the same and you have to remember that, we all have different ideas in what we find interesting or attractive. If someone rates me low and I feel that I don't deserve it I will im them and ask why. Some people rate everyone the same whatever that number may be.

Having a pm account doesn't and shouldn't guarantee you a automatic 10, it should be based on content for everyone.

I kinda wish the rating system could just disappear, it's not fun anymore it's a pain to rate people. I don't rate very much anymore because I rate fairly and lots of people don't like that I don't give them 10's, and instead of nicely asking for a re-rate they just bitch and rate me the same thing I gave to them. Booo! -_-

I am a Coven Master and I can speak for me,I canot answer for other, house or coven master, but for me, I look at the rating yes, but I never based my decision on that. It would actually be close minded of me.
I based it on a person, and the value the person has, as a person, not a vr member, not a user name, not a level, pm, position, ect. But as a person.

As I say, I can answer for my,but not for other coven or house master

MademoiselleKira; I think you may very well be wrong in your assumption that house/coven masters don't neccesarily care about your rating. I beg to differ in this instance, I feel that it might matter greatly to many of them. I would like to know how they feel about that or who will at least admit that it matters to them when they are inducting members.

oh..and yeah..being a premium member "shouldn't" affect ratings..it's just aesthetics.

But it does..and it won't change because of the "See who has rated you" feature..

So I guess to play the game..you should probably keep that in mind.

I used to have a coven and I can say I didn't just look at the rating of a person. I looked at what and how that member could contribute to the coven. I'd be lieing to say I didn't consider that person's ratings, but I never made judgement based on that alone.

my profile is about me and only me, but if someone has an suggestion, i'll listen and take it into consideration....

i think if you rate somebody profile . you rate it as how you feel you should rate it

Free loaders? Um hello, maybe we don't have the luxury of having alot of money to spend on stuff. I think that it was very considerate of Cancer to develope a place where even the not so well endowed people can come and mingle with others with common interests. I think that some people need to get off the high horse here. Besides isn't there extra priviledges for the pm's on this site? Yes, I thought so. *whew*

I would be more interested to know if people genuinely rate admin 'fairly'.

Well, i normally rate 10 to everybody... and i encourage my friends to do the same... and when i've received a low score, well, i message that person because i normally think that something in my pro could have offended him/her... so when they reply, it happens that they re rate me and give me a 10 too... well, that's on one hand, on the other, i think that a good profile not necessarily is a PM, i've found very good free members that have a wonderful pro even without backgrounds... sometimes a few words make the difference...
we're not looking for art work, but for good people to have fun with...

Ratings again? I just rated everyone who said they give a 10 a 10. Why? Because rating is part of what we do here. It's been a struggle to even get to 9.2 for me, and I think my profile is a veritable wonderland of me.

What I have noticed: the up-and-comers return rates, the elders often do not. I assume they are occupied in dark mysteries, deep meditative contemplation, or tossing them back at the sire club.

If I give a 10 and then later return for a rerate, does my new 10 count?

I rate whoever rates me to.lol

I don't care about my ratings, People will rate me how they feel. It's not my job to fault them for how they feel or what they like. That is how I think it should be.

Some sites are awesome while other are so so.

I rate depending on the amount of hate I have in my heart at the moment.

Beware

I try to be objective when rating but being a simple mortal I do allow my own feelings to influence me. So far I have managed not to return downrates that I've been given and yes I've got lots of rates that are not 10's.

I'm not going to lie to myself or you and say I don't care what I'm rated. I worked hard and continue to tweak and work on my profile all the time for I'm never satisfied with it. If I'm given lower than a 9 I want to know why?

Is it astetically displeasing or poorly worded or do I just strike you as an "asshat" to borrow Sapphire's exellent term? Just please tell me what struck you as off for my own curiosity drives me nuts over it.

I rate as many free members 10's as I do pm's it's the content and grammer and spelling that shows you worked on it not the flashy graphics.

I don't factor in Premium Membership. I don't see why It should factor in.

I agree. Just because I've paid for extra things here does not mean I believe I deserve at 10. But if you rate me a 1 I'm going to message you and ask what made you think I deserved a 1... I'm always open to suggestions and sometimes I might like them... I had a Whelp rate me a 1 before and I asked that and she told me nothing was wrong with the profile she just didn't like that I didn't leave a comment on her page.

Exactly, have rhyme or reason for why you would rate a one. A 10 shouldn't ge given out unless you really liked the page.

I rate a profile on its entireity. If a profile can keep me interested and has a certain appeal to it, I will gladly rate it a 10. If I can tell that the person has taken some effort and pride in their profile, I will rate it at least an 8. The only time I rate lower than that, is if there is no information or the person has just been rude and vulgar.
If a person contacts me about my rate, I will explain why to them and if they fix it, I will go back and re-rate.
I have had several people rate my profile low, and have asked them why? When they tell me why, I try to fix it the way I think it should be fixed and then ask them to re-rate me.
I don't see what the big deal about a high rate is all about?

I don't believe being a PM means you automatically deserve a 10, but I do think that people usually rate PMs high because they know that whatever they gave them can be seen and if it were lower than a 10, they would be scared that the PM would come back and give them a very low rate. Which, if I understand is exactly what happened to you. I think this is one of the reasons why everyone gives 10s now. I always rate people on the effort they have put into, and the amount of personal information contained in their profile. To me profiles should be more than a ton of pics and a few quizes.

Is it rating high of rating fairly. If there were standard guidlines, it would be simple. But everyone rates differently, hence the rating system in general.

No, a premium member doesn't deserve a higher rating unless their profile is exceptional. I rate what I think a profile deserves to be rated.

Well I say that when you get a re-rate if the level is higher then you get a higher re-rate is this correct?

just becasuse you are a PM doesn't make you special, its what you choose what to do with the stuff offered that makes you great. If a PM deserves and eight, then they shouldn't be a baby and childish and re-rate you lower.

I try and rate fairly based on a lot of factors.

FIRST and what most people dont quite grasp is the "weight" that their rating carrys. The higher in rank you are the more "weight" your rating carrys.

So when you thought a fair rating of an 8 for a profile when you were a level 4 would be closer to a 1 or 2 when your a lever 15. I know thats not quite acuret but I really dont feel like doing the math right now. Its just an example.

I as a premium member with a profile that I have put a lot of time and effort into do not believe that it deserves any thing less then a 9 and when I am rated less then a 9 I will send an email asking why.

Its a two sided coin.
Side one I don't think people take into account how much "weight" their rating carrys.
Side two People need to be realistic about what their profiles deserve.

I dont care if your a premium member or not if you have crap for a profile then your not getting a ten..

For all of those free members that are saying that being a PM doesn't entitle them to a higher rate, I can argue this fact. With out the PM's on this site many of these cool functions that are available to the free members wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the PM's paying for them. So in a way the PM's do deserve a higher rate for supporting the site.

Not saying they deserve a 10 all the time, but they do deserve something.

Perhaps without all those who buy premium memberships and VR merchandise there would be many more ads and even...*gasp* a fee just to join?

Just to say, rate fairly and how you see fit, but don't act like premium's fritter away their money. Their donations help support a site you enjoy coming to.

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i say what i want to say.sometimes people aske me to expand my profile but i why should i? its what i want it to be.being put in a coven is really irritating.did i aske to be put in one?no way.

it is only a number

NO I don't think so. I think the only thing that they have over other people is that they can add backgrounds ect, which I DO like, so based on that they might get a higher rating. But I still do give 10's to non-members who I feel have made a good profile. Normally I don't like giving anyone anything lower than a 7 unless I find something that they said highly offensive. (and sometimes I won't even rate those profiles.)

Normally the only people who get anything like a 6 are the new profiles because they don't say much. (mine didn't at that time either, so I normally try to cut the new profiles a little bit of slack.)

My usual rule of thumb is if I can see some effort has gone into a profile, even if it's not spectacular, then i'll rate at least an 8. Usually to get a 10 it's got to show evidence of effort AND have a decent amount of information on it, and not be packed out with pictures.

I won't give out automatic tens to profiles with nothing on them, as I feel it isn't fair to those members who actually make an effort.

Admittedly, I do tend to add a point to a premium member, purely because they are supporting the site. I appreciate not everyone can afford to do so, but that's just the way I am.

I don't believe in rating what you get, but I have been known to *gulp* downrate a couple of times if i've felt the other person has just acted needlessly rude. If there's one thing I hate, it's rudeness.

Like MistressBloodDiamonds, I do tend to enquire about a rating of less than 9, for no reason other than feedback. The way I think of it is if i've gotten less than a 10, something must be lacking on my profile. I know a lot of people give 9's because "you have to leave room for improvement" or some such thing, but anything less than that makes me think I could make my profile better.

I do enjoy checking out people's profiles. Yes, I hand out a lot of tens, but I actually read what people have to say.
Not one person on here is any better than the rest, for any reason. We are all here for fun, to make friends, and even learn new things. So being a premium doesn't justify childish behavior.

I have respect for everyone, no matter what "level" they are on, or anything of that nature. If I don't feel comfortable with what someone has sent me, I don't respond. Simple.

I think my biggest pet peeve is people just rating without reading... Without leaving a comment or anything. That's when I don't really respond...
But, in any case, this site should be fun, not full of drama! That's why I just keep being myself, and rating fairly.

Do I rate fairly? No, but I am practical, political, and believe in reciprocity.

I rate fairly the new profiles found daily on VR. If a few of them rate me back, visit me, or write a new note. They get a nice re-rate - a ten.

Anyone who is has been on VR for awhile and I haven't rated yet usually gets a ten.

I usually give premium members a ten because they usually put forth an effort in their profiles.

I will take care of fellow coven members out of a sense of loyalty.

I give ones for profiles that have nothing to offer VR but rude or prejudiced language.

I think everyone who makes an effort deserves a 10. I rate all members a 10 unless they say bad things about other people, or use foul language. They get a 1, and no comment, as none is deserved. Everyone has the right to rate as they see fit. I personally think people put too much into rating. I feel this way because no matter what, you're going to have some jerk down rate you because they are jealous, ignorant, or just plain stupid!

I honestly think that everyone deserves a ten if they actually put time and effort into their profile. However, i do not believe that if someone has a different system of rating that their should be discrimination against. Rating someone low because they gave you a low rating is a very immature thing to do. the only time it would even be reasonable is if the rater was very rude about their rating.

I typically give everyone a 10. I even give whelps a 10 that don't have a nice profile yet just to give them a start. I might rate lower if they rant too much.

But when I look at the ratings overall, it seems like most rate in a similar fashion. The ratings sure do seem like they are skewed to the higher numbers. That either means that everyone does a great job on their profiles or that most people rate highly by default.

Serious folks, how closely do you really read each and every profile that you rate? Typically its based on an overall impression. As far as reading the content, the ones with plain backgrounds are much easier to read.

Rates shouldbe based on content and worth of the PROFILE, not who or what the person is. I started rating by starting with oldest first, and rating forward, and some of th epeople who have been around here for 3 years or more had profiles just as lousy as some of the new whelps just starting. I rated them accordingly. I also got several low rates, and the "who do you think you are I have been here for ___ years, I deserve better than that" remarks.

Needless to say, the rate stood.

Considering I have rated all the profiles there are to rate, my opinion I believe is with just cause.

Almost 97% of all premy members profiles are damned good and very well done. Which is why they "deserve" the 10's.

99% of all the regular profiles are either average or below average, therefore, my conclusion is to stand by my convictions and rate them a 9 or lower. Only a couple, and I mean very few deserve a 10 in the long run.

Some of them try, but in my eyes, just a few words in the profile, does not make the profile...Nor do quizes, anime, or pics without information.

The profile is there for a reason people, to let the others know something about you, not useless information such as pics etc.

You are here to study the vampire, that is fine...But if you are going to whine, nag, complain etc...At least have conviction and a decent profile before carrying on.

This is my opinion. Take it, leave it...Throw it away. Hell even have immature debate over it...Such is life.

If arguement is what is wrong with the world, then the Rave is an extention of a small part of that world. No wonder peace will never inherit the earth.

usually unless I get a low rate without explantion, even as simple as: I hate pink. I return the same that I get,other then that I dont care.
And most of the time,is for a 1-2-3...if you give me higher with even a simple reason I will not even bother.
I dont even check for a reason when I get a 8 and up
a7, I simply ask, so unless the person only wanted to be an ass, and gave me a 1 then blocked me for no reason, I wont bother.

Also as for pm, I know there is ways to win even a 1 month pm, once ins a while,and I notice some even have pm and they did not even bother, even after level 19 to do squat ....even so,I give 10, why? cause I am to lazy to go back and rerate so I give 10..lol
If I go back, its cause I am impress or cusious, if I am impress I message the person directly. Premium or not. I saw some premium that are ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and some non premium that are wowowowowowowwoowowowowowowowowowow.
Sp it has nothing to do, it is simply cause some take the time to do it,other just dont. and its alright.
Its your profile, you do what you want with it. Not what others want. As long as oyu respect the TOS,all is fine.

I know that when I first started out on VR. I gave a Sire a rating of an 8 and he sent me a message almost instantaneously.. Demanding to know why I had given him such a low rating when his profile was one of the highest rated ones on the site. I was very apologetic at the time and re-rated him higher just to get him to stop messaging me. I have actually run into that allot here on VR.

I tell people that you should rate what you feel the person deserves in your opinion and not to be afraid of anything that is said to you about it. If someone is polite and asks why, then tell them why. If they don’t like what you have rated them and harass you about it, block them.

I personally don’t care about my rating and have more then a few very low ratings. The people that gave them felt I deserved them for whatever reason and I thank them for it.

Who knows anymore what people feel about ratings, some say they don’t care and some care a great deal. To the point of threatening to get people suspended or terminated on VR.

Bah it’s all a crapshoot anyways. Ratings should be a way for people to start conversations with others. You send a message to someone and ask them why they rated as they do, and who knows. You may have found a new friend you never would have had before. Life is fun like that!!

I have actually messaged people who have given me 10s and asked them what they felt about my profile that deserved such a rating. I have messaged people that have given me 1’s and 2’s and asked them not to re-rate me, as that was their rating, but what I did or didn’t do to earn the rating. Thanked them all for their time and if I felt the need to change things according to their recommendations, cool.. if not.. still cool.

Not all profiles are going to meet everyone’s 10 list. That is the freedom of this site. Rate what you want!!! I think the experiment is a good thing and I support it, ha ha ha like it needed my approval or not. ;)

well i am putting my two cents in.

why do people rate the way they do.. cause cancer set it up that way, i see the ones who rate low like a 7 or lower, they dont want you to be on top.. they no there is a game thats being played..come on every one wake up.. some of you dont care but alot of us do..

i bet i could work on the best of the best profile and i would still get a down rater.. i call them haters..and jealous but oh well when you explain and complain they come back and attack you and give you a 1.. and there isnt nothing i can do about it.. oh well its just me. i dont want to get into trouble for causeing a flame

well.. all i know, is that like all cultures, this one will continue to evolve, the more people, the higher the general rate structure, i don't need a 10, but i feel that i deserve at least a 9, i rate many 10's to people that don't have premium, but only if there has been some effort involved, i just judge about whether the experience was enjoyable for me to visit the pro in question,
D

(Ish confuzzled, calling a website a culture...What next, calling a boston baked bean, a member of the bean family.)

NO NO NO AND MORE NO!

Everyone is entitled to their own way of rating. It is the raters opinion not what the ratee thinks its worth.

Like in my opinion a one sentence profile deserves a 1 same goes for a profile that has a bunch of quizzes or pictures. I think a profile is letting me get to know you. Do I want your whole life story? No. I just want to know things about you like things you like things you don't something that as a reader would help me relate to you and go hey this person is cool I will have to message them one day.

If I see a premium member with one sentence they get a 1 just as a free member would. If there is free member with a good profile they get the appropriate rating based on what I think they deserve.

Rating is purely based on the opinion of the person that is doing the act itself. If someone comes back to rate you badly that is just shallow and stupid. Just because you think you have the best profile in the world doesn't mean others think you do too.

My profile is to my liking it best shows and tells readers who I am. If you try to make it to everyone elses liking it isn't really your profile is it?

I think a lot of you pm's are just saying some of this stuff because of the simple fact that you ARE a premium member. True you contribute to this site but you are not special or above none pm members and it does not entitle you to a 10. No one has still answered my question though. Why do some of you people get so crazy and obsessive over ratings? It's just a number it's just a website what's the deal people seriously?!

Soulshroude i hear around vampire rave is almost like myspace.... i oersonally i no the difference but its said ..

I've always rated fairly since I first came here everyone was treated the same. I have had the same information on my profile since I first arrived the only thing that has changed is the fact I can put a full background on it and I can have music. That being so I never expected to be rated tens when I was a free member and I don't expect them now.

Very little content, very little score.

More content, grammar, etc, more to score off of.

I am myself, and no more, and expect nothing from others except kind words, and respect.

Score means nothing to me.

I've been here FAR too long to care about my score.

Mieta1 i get your point but when is it time for some to go back and re rate and still that person says they still dont dezerve a 10 from , cause i dont have to attitude.. no names mentioned but in tired of the nose stuck up in the air type..

what do you do when they rate you a 1 .. ? or lower then a 6

Revenge rates are again for shallow people. I just make fun of them for caring that much to come back try to insult me for being HONEST and downrating me back. If they want to act like babies because they didn't get a 10 from someone let them. Again it isn't what the person thinks of their own profile it is what the rater thinks of it. You either accept that or you don't thats up to you.

I use to give a 10 to all..but I got how ot say...agress by some stating I did not put what they wanted in my profile and got a low rating in return...of my simple question: may I knwo what you dont like in my profile so I can improve?
I got a reply, agressing me, rude and..disrespectful so now I dont ask why,I juge the person by their own jugement.
I had given you a 10,PM or not, you had a 10 to start with, everyone has, I go bakc and rerate the same you give me, why? Cause what is good for me is good for you. simply.
I dont care if you are PM or not.
No one can buy me. No one.My rate is not for sale.

I find I am more honest about my rating when it is not a premium member. With premium members I give an automatic 10 because I don't want a revenge rate back at me. I would like to be able to honestly rate profiles but that doesn't really seem possible since so many get really annoyed if they get less then a 10. I don't mind what my rating is really if it is fair and if I don't think the rate is a fair one I like to find out why it isn't. I think it is a good idea if you do give someone a low rate to at least say why you did it and maybe give some constructive criticism on how they could make their profiles better to deserve a higher rate.

NOPE DEFINATLY NOT, just becuase someone spent some money to put up a background on ther epage dose not mean they deserve a 10, if they low rate you just ignore them they just being childish...happens to me all the time

I rate what your profile deserves regardless if u are a premium member or a free one. and personally u if someone rates me what they think i dont care its thier opinion i still will rate them how i see thier profile

I feel it does not matter if you are a premium or just a reg. member. Your profile will be rated by what I feel is right and how much effort is put into it.

I know alot of people give all these new members a 10 and some of them are lucky if they deserve a 1 even to me cause of how they talk and the trash that may be wrote on it ... So I rate according to what it is

I had a member who I rated as a whelp. Later in his VR life he got a paid membership and came back to my profile and rated me from a ten (as he tells me) to a 6. Now if he had left a stamp, and went on I would of left it alone. But he started this whole bullshit drama about "I rate what I get... eye for a eye" and spouted off bible verses to me. THAT pissed me off. What is it with people? You think your profile you first started with is worth tens? The "I will get back to this later" or the "Ask me" "F U" junk is a ten? Hell no.

Rating is you passing judgement on people. And sorry but some of the profiles on here are not worth a one even. When a whelp with a "I suk blodo all night" rate is the same as a person who has a well done profile with information on themselfs, some of the music, books and movies they like... then that shows something is wrong with this rating system.

Now on the PM. Sorry- but I run three companies. I know the effect of people paying and people not paying. They will get tens from me. And I have yet to find a older PM that is not worth a ten. Face it- unless you are a code god/goddess and write for a living you will have to build your profile up.

You want to rate me a low rate because you don't like my profile- fine. Just don't put a rude ass comment. I did not put one on yours. That is all I ask for.

Points well made, all.

To answer the question, hell do I care about rates. Does not mean I rate insufficiently. By no means. I still rate accordingly.

Suffer the little children of the Rave.

I believe that it is not only wrong but plain out rude to down rate someone for not being a pm. Some of us cannot afford that luxury but still do everything in our power to make our profile's appealing and interesting none the less. We also deserve our due, because we have had to think of creative ways to make our non pm profiles stand out.

I rate on what the person has on it.I've seen profiles with few words and lots of pics that really say who and what they are.Before I got a premime membership I still got mostly 10's,but I put alot of thought into it.I haven't seen my rateings change,but like others have said rateing isn't everything the World won't end if you get a 7.As a premimine member I still get rated 8's.I'm here to meet people not be the highest rated,but it does make me feel good when I get a 10 my thought paid off :)
KA

i go by "as you sow, so shall you reap... it is my belief many ppl play games with the rates... everyone has feelings and life is already putting many ppl down... the site should encourage a positive atmosphere...

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