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What was a Dragon's purpose on this planet? Were they just another species or were they protectors of someone/something?




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From what i have been able to find..Dragons were here on earth to share their knowledge with humans.Dragons were very old and wise in time when man was still young.They have had alot of people sayin Dragons were mean and just wanted to ravish the lands and kill..I believe they was protectors of the earth at one time..Then man come alone and like everything that they are not sure of...they feared them..and that in return caused the Dragons to retaliate and kill.



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http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/02feb/dragons.html

This link tells alot about what they think of the origins and reasons why Dragons were here on earth.



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the red dragon protects us here in wales. dagons are guardians and teachers.
souls as old and as strong as existence.



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Dragons never retaliated...They did not care about mankinds delema's. They were by default, gaurdians of the oracles, and the mystic lands. They were teachers and advisors.

They were also friends to the knights of the councils of old, as well as fierce warriors.

The war between dragons and man was mans fault for doubting the dragons, and thus evoking the war by "slaying" a couple of the dragons. This betrayal led to the future disappearance of the dragons. They did not flee, they went into hiding. Mankinds fault, no one elses.



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Dragons, just like every other species that was bad ass, were hunted by man until extiction. Stupid humans *slaps mankinds hand* Bad mankind



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It may very well be that dragon is one of a number of ways that Western cultures refer to the naga. Some hold though, that the word dragon actually refers to two entirely distinct beasts -- that the Western and the Chinese mythological beasts do not even belong to the same class.

The Chinese, when they encountered the term naga in Buddhist scripture, translated it as lu or lung which means 'dragon' and so in China the ancient dragon concept took on a broader significance.

The Chinese dragon represents the vital potential of falling rain and flowing waters, unlike its western counterpart that sits brooding in a cavern guarding treasure. Joseph Campbell (The Power of Myth 150) describes the Asian dragon emerging from a swamp beating its belly and bellowing, "Haw ha ha haw!"

In Eastern mythology, nagas are a class of being whose primary role is as protector and benefactor. Since their abode is the deep water, they are a source of knowledge and of fertility but they also guard the immense riches of the earth. Thus the Eastern dragon has mainly benevolent and auspicious characteristics but in Western mythology, the role of the dragon has been strictly curtailed rendering it into an ugly, greedy and jealous opponent of the Hero. It is the opinion of some that the reason for this has to do with the way people in the West view nature itself-- as something to be vanquished.

The essence of life in the form of the dragon's celestial breath is called in Chinese sheng chi. It is the source of all energy that contributes to fertility and wealth such as the seasonal changes of the rain that allows crops to grow, the warmth of sunshine, balmy sea breezes and fertile soil. In fact, the dragon is the eastern Mother Nature.

In Himalayan Buddhism, a banner of a turquoise dragon stands for ". . . the sound of compassion that awakens us from delusion and increases what we can know through hearing. Dragons have the power of complete communication and protect one from slander." (~ Snow Lion Publications.)

Draco
In the era before this one, that is about 1, 800 BCE or around 4, 000 years BP [Before the Present] the celestial indicator or Pole star was not our North Star (Polaris) but Thuban a mid-point star in the constellation known as Draco or Dragon. Draco is the 8th largest of the conventional constellations curving from the "pointers" of the Dipper (Ursa Minor) to brilliant Vega. To the observer of today, there is no bright star in the configuration. Yet, the passages in the great pyramid at Gizeh, Egypt, once acted as channels for the light of the star that is called Thuban. (It is now known that those pyramids were oriented to Orion and, at the time of the building of the Sphinx, to Leo.)

It has been demonstrated that the Angkor Wat complex, the great Khmer (Cambodian) Buddhist shrine, was built in alignment with this celestial formation. However, in 1,150 CE the constellation of the Dragon was upside down over the site's medieval buildings, but impressively, in the era of 10,500 BCE traces of the very earliest structures there mirrored the Dragon constellation exactly.

The transition from one ruling celestial system to another is marked in the mythologies of the world by accounts of the overthrow of Titans (Greek) or Ashuras (Indian) by Gods or Devas. Naturally, this displacement had to be justified, and so the serpentine heavenly Mother, Tiamat of the early Mesopotamians is considered by devotees of the newer deity, Marduk as an evil draconian monster.

Greek Transition Myth
Gaia (Mother Earth) had given a Wish-fulfilling Tree as a wedding present to Hera, bride of Zeus, and this tree produced wondrous fruit called the Golden Apples of the Hesperides (Daughters of the Western One -- the gentle reddish deity of sunset.) She decided to keep it where it grew and Ladon, the hundred-headed dragon/naga was appointed to guard the fruit of this Tree of Knowledge against any thieves.

Now her stepson, Herakles (Glory of Hera) had to undergo 12 terrible trials as a result of a heinous murder he had committed, and one of the last was to steal the apples from the Virgin Mother, Queen of Heaven. {She renewed her virginity once a year at a sacred spring.]

With the help of the Titan Atlas, supporter of the Heavens, in exchange for relieving him of his enormous burden for just a few moments, Heracles shot arrows at Ladon as a diversion but then he struck and killed the dragon, and Atlas managed to fetch 3 of the golden apples. (Atlas was tricked into reclaiming his burden again when Herakles asked for a moment to adjust his position so that he could bear the weight a bit more comfortably. )

As for Ladon, Hera was distraught over its demise and did it great honour by placing it high in the night sky where it is coiled to this day.

Divine Ancestor
The flying dragon whose abode is the heavens is universally recognized as a symbol of the Chinese culture and its people. Chinese refer to themselves as Lung-tik Chuan-ren, that is "Descendents of the Dragon."

It is believed that on rare occasions dragons have the power to transform themselves into handsome humans who, male or female, can mate with people. For example, former Japanese Emperor Hirohito [fl. 1940] claimed descent from Princess Fruitful Jewel, daughter of a sea Dragon King. It is this belief that lies at the root of the dragon as crest or emblem of a royal house.

A dragon depicted full face was the exclusive Imperial symbol, but other kinds of dragon emblems were used by ministers and representatives of the Chinese emperor, such as the ambans or viceroys.

Dragon Robes at San Diego Museum with Chinese symbolism.

Yu Pang was a peasant who rose to the highest rank and ruled China as its emperor. To legitimize this unheard-of accomplishment, he was the first to claim descent from a dragon. From that time onwards, Dragon-face was the epithet used to refer to the ruler. Perhaps to encourage the notion that this was more than just a nickname, in Japan where the lifestyle owes much to China, the ruler adopted the practice of sitting concealed behind a bamboo screen during audiences with visitors.

Weather
The rains that fertilize the land were attributed to the actions of the dragons, but so were the tremendous and devastating storms that sometimes occurred. These were attributed to the movements of the great celestial dragons as they emerged in the spring or descended to their caves in the autumn.

Mentor
The superior kind of Chinese dragon is said to have a great pearl in its throat which symbolizes its custody of wisdom. (But also, a lunar eclipse.) It is believed that the knowledge of writing was given by a yellow dragon to legendary Emperor Fu Shi. This association of the dragon with the fertility of the intellect has a long tradition.

We have seen that the historical Buddha during his meditation under the bodhi tree is believed to have been shielded from the elements by a many-headed naga. In the long line of deities and saints described as having protection from this kind of serpentine creature is a 13th century Cambodian king. He is said to have spent his nights in a golden tower consulting with a nine-headed dragon. He could be accused of not heeding his advisor when there was a drought, flood or major storm.

Dragons were thought to be able to change size. When they were smaller, they could be the cause of minor watery annoyances such as dripping eaves or a leaky roof. On the other hand, according to a Tibetan lama, on occasions such as a dharma-teaching, the appearance of unexpected water as when a sink overflows or the basement leaks, is considered an auspicious sign -- the approval of the nagas.

Panthaka is one of those numbered among Buddha's 16 arhats. He was said to have possessed magic powers that were called upon when Buddha made an expedition to subdue and convert the fierce dragon-king Apulala. He could make himself smaller and smaller until he seemed to disappear. When he is shown among the other disciples, he is the one depicted charming a dragon into his alms-bowl.

Lung-chun or Dragon-host is the Chinese form given for the Indian name that appears in that context.

The dragon is the vehicle of Dorje Chang or Vajradhara, the Buddhist meditational deity. It is also the emblem of one of the Tibetan Buddhist schools descending from Milarepa. (The garuda, the snow lion and the tiger are others.)

That is because the founder of the Dragon or Drukpa lineage, Tsangpa Gyare,

" . . . whose existence was in fact earlier predicted by the Dakinis (you know, some forms of spiritual beings), while looking for a suitable site to build a proper place to spread the teachings of the holy lineage, met with nine dragons. These auspicious creatures flew up into the sky, followed by a loud clap of roaring thunder. At this sight, Tsangpa Gyare decided to build his monastery in this holy place then and there. Therefore, the first monastery, ‘Nam Druk Sewa Jangchub Ling,’ was built, located not too far from Lhasa, the capital of Tibet.

Based on this remarkable incident, I think that was the first time the dragon was associated with our lineage. Then it became quite natural for the followers of this lineage, or for that matter, the lineage holder and the lineage itself to be called the ‘Drukpa’ or ‘Druk’ lineage. As you know, the dragon is supposed to be an important and auspicious celestial creature, and even Bhutan is commonly called ‘Drukpa’ or ‘Druk Yul,’ meaning the ‘Country of Dragon.’ The Bhutanese people also refer to themselves as ‘Drukpa,’ meaning people from the dragon country."

~ an interview with HH the 12th Gyalwang Drukpa

Guardian
The Chinese, Fa Hsien (394-414 CE) and 200 years later, Hsuan Chuang, both visited Shankashya one of the eight important places of pilgrimage for Buddhists. It is the site of Buddha's descent from the Tushita Heaven and is reputed to be the place on earth where all Buddhas descend. People told both pilgrims that there was a white-eared dragon living close to the monastery which housed about 1,000 monks and nuns. The dragon cared for the monastery and the whole surrounding area. Fa Hsien's journal entry in particular emphasizes the abundant produce of the land, and the prosperity and happiness of the people.

In that case, we have the prototypical eastern type of dragon. It is generally benevolent -- the embodiment of divine protection, vigilance and fertility. In its form that combines fish, reptile and bird it has the ability to swim in the seas, fly in the heavens and coil up in the land where its humped back forms the ridges of mountain ranges.

Generous and kind, it wards off wandering evil spirits and protects the virtuous and the innocent. Therefore children born in a dragon year of the 12-animal cycle especially are considered to enjoy health, wealth, and long life.

Medea, Mistress of Dragons
Greek mythology relates that once a king of Thebes, desperate to protect his kingdom from his nephew Jason, sent him off on a deadly mission: to journey across the sea far to the northeast to retrieve the Golden Fleece of Hermes' flying ram. (Sheep's fleece has been documented in western Asia today as still being used to filter and trap gold from mountain streams.) But this fleece, besides being of sacred origin, was also the totemic object bound to the longevity of the king of Colchis. It was protected there, not far from the Black Sea where it had been nailed to a tree in a dragon sanctuary.

Jason being regurgitated from the maw of the drakon of Colchis that guards the Golden Fleece.

Jason sought help from the foreign king's daughter, Medea, an adept of the cult of Hecate, the Moon goddess. Unfortunately for her, she had become the target of one of Eros' arrows and was smitten with Jason. When he promised before the deities of that Asian land to take her back with him to an honorable estate, i.e. as his lawful wife, she agreed to betray her own father and thus endanger the welfare of her state, to sing the dragon to sleep.

Jason accomplished his quest and returned to Greece with her, which must have taken some time for they had two sons together. When his uncle did not keep his part of the bargain, Jason and his family had to flee to Corinth. There, in an attempt to make a place for himself, he became involved in an arranged marriage with the daughter of Creon, ruler of that city.

Medea was appalled primarily by the broken sacred vow, and pretended to accept the situation making for the younger woman, a poisoned dress of cloth-of-gold. When that poor victim suffered her final agony, Medea then slew her own two sons before their father's eyes. She conjured up a dragon-drawn vehicle and flew off in it as Jason fell upon his own sword on the threshold of their home.

Honouring the Dragon
From pre-historic times, monuments were raised and later, temples and shrines were built in honor of the dragons that were understood to be controllers of the rain and the wealth of rivers, lakes, and seas. For example, see an example of the vishap-k'ar, dragon stones of pre-Christian Armenia.

Incense and prayer were offered, especially on the first and fifteenth of every month, at pagodas and shrines such as Black Dragon Pool Chapel near Beijing said to have been reserved especially for the use of the Empress and her court.

Temple Island in Japan's inland sea is a famous dragon pilgrimage destination. There are also lu temples in Tibet where various reptiles are also considered members of the naga class of beings.

The Dragon Image
The dragon is one of the four Chinese spiritual animals. (The others are the phoenix, qilin (a kind of unicorn) and the tortoise.)

Much has been made of the distinguishing characteristics of the various Asian dragons. There is an iconographic convention in which the common dragon is four-clawed, the five-clawed one is the celestial one that is the Chinese Imperial emblem, and the colonial type such as the Japanese one is shown with only three.

The image of a dragon, its face or mask (Skt.: mukha,) or an abstract design representing its serpentine form is generally used as a protective mark. For example, the winding design used to frame the corners of a page of Tibetan writing has its origin in nagas or protective dragons; sometimes their eye dots are indicated.

In the Tibetan tradition, the turquoise dragon is said to protect against discord of all types but especially slanderous gossip and the misuse of words. Dragons often appear on metal musical instruments such as bells, gongs and the small cymbals that can serve to represent the music offering on a Buddhist shrine. This may relate to the roar of righteous indignation of the protective dragon but also to its legendary love of music.

They are also often found in architecture where they protect against fire and earthquakes. Their image functions as a kind of amulet or talisman of security so they are found at the bases of monuments, on bridges and on the eaves of roofs.

Lifespan of the Eastern Dragon
While male dragons are described as having undulating steep, concave horns, female dragons are said to have straight noses, round manes, thin scales (81 in number) and a strong tail. They lay their eggs near water and they can take 1000 years to hatch. When fluid runs from the eggs as they begin to hatch, it is said that the parents cry out. The sounds of father and mother differ and they dramatically affect the weather in different ways causing darkness, torrential rain, and the essential thunder and lightning that induces the dragon eggs to crack.

The different forms of the dragon are attributed to its stage of development. At 500 years they are considered Kiao (scaled dragons,) at 1000 years they are mature Lung. It takes another 500 years for the horns to develop fully- Kioh-lung- and another millennium for the dragon to fully develop into the Ying-lung or winged dragon capable of flight. They are believed to have shape-changing abilities except when being born, sleeping, lustful or angry.

There are four major kinds of Chinese dragon: t'ien lung, (celestial guardians)
who support the mansions of the gods; shen lung (weather makers) who govern the clouds and bring rain; ti lung (earth-dragon) who control rivers; and the fu-ts'ang lung (treasure keepers) who guard deposits and hoards of precious metal.

Dragons are said to like precious stones and roasted swallows but to be afraid of the leaves of the wang plant, leaves of the lien tree, 5-coloured silk thread, wax, iron and centipedes [scorpions?].

~ Alt.fan.dragons "Eastern dragon"


Classes of Dragons
There is a popular classification of Chinese dragons that aims to identify 9 types. It lists: the horned dragon, the winged dragon, the celestial dragon supporting and protecting the mansions of the gods, the spiritual dragon which generates wind and rain for the benefit of mankind, the dragon guarding concealed wealth and the sinuously moving water dragon.

The most powerful is the horned dragon or Lung which produces rain and is believed to be totally deaf. It is described as having a head like a camel, horns like a deer, eyes like a hare, ears like a bull, a neck like an lizard, a belly like a frog, scales like a carp, paws like a tiger, and claws like those of an eagle.

The homeless dragon known as Ii lives in the ocean, and the Chiao is a scaly green creature with yellow sides and a crimson underbelly that inhabits marshes or mountain dens. It has a pair of large canine teeth in its upper jaw and long whiskers which it uses like those of a catfish. It can vary from greenish to golden and is said to have alternating short and long spines all the way down its back and tail, ending in a long brush.

What type of dragon is represented on the Qing dynasty (17th century) robe described as a chuba, from the Metropolitan's collection?

"One specimen had wings at its side, and walked on top of the water. Another tossed its mane back and forth making noises that sounded like a flute. Cow-heads are also common. A ten-footer, found lying on the banks of China's Yangtze River, was different from most because of its long, thick eyebrows. A Yellow River variety, seen on shore in the 1920s by a Chinese teacher, was bright blue, and as big as five cows. Both dragons crawled into the water as soon as it started to rain."

~ Crystal Links Chinese Dragons page.for above quotation and some of the other material

The four directional Dragon Kings form a distinctive type of Chinese dragon. In paintings, the red one is associated with the West, black is for the North, yellow for the Eastern one and green for the Southern one. When a central one is depicted, it is usually white, but may be blue.

Dragons are also thought of as features of geography. For having brought rain to humankind without the Jade Emperor's permission, the troops of heaven were ordered to arrest four rebellious dragons and the Mountain God collected mountains with which to pin them down.

" Determined to do good for the people forever, they turned themselves into four rivers, which flowed past high mountains and deep valleys, crossing the land from the west to the east and finally emptying into the sea. And so China's four great rivers were formed -- the Heilongjian (Black Dragon) in the far north, the Huanghe (Yellow River) in central China, the Changjiang (Yangtze, or Long River) farther south, and the Zhujiang (Pearl) in the very far south."

~ Crystal Links Chinese Dragons page.

Reversal of Fortune
A type of European dragon known as the guivre can cause disease with its breath, but it has the curious characteristic of being so embarrassed by nudity that it will flee from the sight.

There is a legend that relates how Bishop St. Romain of Rouen subdued the gargouille:
The sinuous monster emerged one day from the waters of the Seine and causes a great flood. The archbishop of Rouen accompanied by a volunteer, a prisoner who was slated to die, manage to confront the monster. The archbishop place one finger across another, making the sign of the cross, and the gargouille was immediately tamed. Sadly, tamed or not, it was led submissively to a place of execution where it was burned to death.

Shuker, Karl. Dragon: A Natural History. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1995.
The Western dragon is the diametric opposite of its Eastern counterpart. We can almost visit the time and the place where the transformation occurred.

The scripture designated by its opening Babylonian words Enuma Elish describes how "gorgeous Tiamat" whose domain is the earth's water is cruelly slain by Marduk. This Lord, the champion of the sky gods and titans, slays the dragon with a blow from his mace and a bag of evil wind that he gets her to swallow so that she explodes. Her remains "like a clam shell" form the heavens and earth as we know it.

King of the Indian devas, Indra, slays Vritra the water dragon also by means of a blow from the mighty mace.

The Prophet "tranquilizes" the dragon. [16th-C Turk. miniature] and images of 2 other Persian dragons.

Beowulf
As metal-working is refined, the spear and sword replace the mace or hammer. The skill of tempering blades moves west and the dragon, too, changes. In the Cotton-Vitelius manuscript #15 that was given the title Beowulf, a monster called Grendel periodically emerges from his deep marsh den to raid the darkened castle hall during the night. "Every nail, claw-scale and spur, every spike and welt on the hand of that heathen brute was like barbed steel."

The tale is estimated by scholars to be from the 6th or 7th century CE, though the one surviving manuscript dates from around 1000. It tells how Grendel and his mother are killed by the Geat [Jut = southern Swede] hero, Beowulf. He and his men had come south from across the sea to aid the Danes, who for 20 years had been preyed upon, sometimes 30 at a time.

The 'dragons' are described as "... huge marauders from some other world. One ... looks like a woman; the other, warped in the shape of a man, [but] bigger than any man, ... . They dwell ... on windswept crags ... where cold streams pour down the mountain and disappear under mist and moorland." but at night "the water burns." and when "the skies weep ... out of its depths a dirty surge is pitched towards the heavens."

There are three encounters with Grendel, and we learn that this monster does not conform to the standard dragon type. He is described as wanting to cram the men into "this roomy pouch ... intricately strung and hung at the ready, a rare patchwork of devilishly fitted dragon-skins." The dragon escapes, but loses his right "hand" which is pinned to the castle wall as a trophy. (When he is finally beheaded it takes 4 men to carry off the head.)

When the men visit the blood-tinged waters, they see "writhing sea-dragons" and all manner of monsters. The hero goes into the water and it takes him all day to reach the lair at the bottom. He struggles with the ides aelwyf or "hideous alewife." That is, the monstrous eel-like naga who is Grendel's mother, but she "pounced upon him and pulled a broad, whetted knife." Beowulf finally manages to cut off her head but only with an enormous sword from her own hoard.

The men have given him up for dead when after 9 hours he emerges, but his sword "began to wilt into gory icicles, to slather and thaw" from the effects of the dragon-blood so that only the golden hilt remained. The inscription on the hilt tells the tale of God's destruction of the giants that the 'ides aelwyf' is related to.

Years later, from the depths of a barrow that someone had plundered came again "the slick-skinned dragon, threatening the night sky with streamers of fire." It "rippled down the rock" and later "hurtled forth in a fiery blaze" that did "burn bright homesteads" so that Beowulf now an old man, goes forth once more.

Assisted by young Wiglaf, the dragon is stabbed to death but it "caught the hero in a rush of flame and clamped sharp fangs into his neck." The hero gets to see its golden hoard but "The wound began to scald and swell" and he dies, the last the Geat warriors from over the sea. Before the cremation of Beowulf, "The fire-dragon ... scorched all colours." and measuring 50 feet from head to tail who had "shimmered forth on the night air once." is pitched unceremoniously over a cliff.

The poem ends with a Geatish woman singing a dirge "a wild litany of nightmare and lament" with predictions of invasion, "bodies in piles, slavery and abasement." The hoard along with Beowulf's remains are covered up in a great stone barrow that 12 warriors ride around singing the praises of the great and good Beowulf.

~ excellent bilingual verse translation by Seamus Heaney (N.Y.: Farrar, Strauss & Giroux, 2000.)

It was Professor J. R. R. Tolkien (famous for his Lord of the Rings trilogy) who first showed that the tale of Beowulf was more than a fictional work of entertainment. Though there are references throughout the poem of the Judeo-Christian world view, but there are also allusions to the beliefs and customs of an earlier tradition. Surely the dire prediction at the poem's end is in some way related to the slaughter of the dragons - especially "Grendel's mother."

Saint George, a dragon-slayer along the model of the Beowulf of folk memory, is the patron of Russia, Greece and England (adopted by Edward III in 1348). The characteristic depiction showing a helmed knight on horseback spearing a recumbent dragon in defense [?] of a lady appears in Uccello's painting ca. 1455.

The legend of Cleodolinda and George
Nov. 1883 Society of Antiquaries article on Dragon of St. George plus Edward Burnes-Jones' pre-raphaelite painting [not avail.]
Reproduction of romantic St. George et al.

In mediaeval Christian art, Michael the Archangel (usually depicted standing) slays the dragon under his feet that represents the Evil One a.k.a. the 'Old Serpent'. Michael's opponent is frequently also depicted as a man.

The Greek Cadmus is said to have sowed the ground with dragon's teeth from which sprang numerous ranks of armed men.

The chariot of the Greek moon goddess, Cynthia, was drawn by dragons.

Old Testament references to "dragons" result from an error in translation of the Hebrew "tan" which means jackal but it was taken to refer to a giant water-serpent, as a consequence of its relation to the name Tanith, a Semitic (Phoenician and hence also Carthaginian) goddess ie. a naga.

To play a St. George game.

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There are literally hundreds of dragon pages on-line ranging from the silly to the scholarly. This page is intended only to underline the fact that a naga by any other name is still a naga. When it flies, it is often referred to as a dragon.

The phrase 'fire drake' that is, 'fiery dragon' was used to refer to comets especially as ill omens such as the one that is reported to have preceded the Battle of Hastings (1066) when the Normans successfully invaded England.



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LIke everything else man kills what he doesn't understand. Fear of the unknown,rather than learn and amit to not understanding.



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Not all of the Old ones are dead. Still lingering on, some lived past their time, and others yet suffered under mans shallow minded attempts to command the unseen and make the world in his narrow tiny image. Trying to be gods in their ant hills. Slaughtering the things that were around to aide and assist.

Its one of the many thing humanity has suffered the loss of for its own faults. The dodo, im not sure on...but many other things yes, definatly.



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it was always my understanding that they were protectors at one time. what changed i dont know.



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The dodo bird was rediscovered in the early 50's. so man was wrong again. Why not the dragon hiding to be "reiscoved' again .



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the things they protected, didnt want to be protected. Thinking they were the big bad, denied the rightful dues. As humans are want to do, think they are more bad ass then they are, corrupted the hell out of the history, and warped it.



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well thank you for that infernal. and your right. humans always think they are bigger, better and badder then they are or they have to be.



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The dodo was rediscovered? o.O


And, why does everything have to have a purpose? Why can't it just "be"??



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because no one can just simply believe, they have to have proof of everything. no one can just believe on faith anymore



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no the dodo was gone since the early 1900s....

I dont think it had a purpose except to eventually be extinct.

What in this world, simply is for the sake of being, what cannot be applied to use? other then the really tacky Post Modern art...Which is still functioning in the capacity of art.



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Well in that case I'll say, the purpose of the dragon is to remind us that no matter how high we fly, the dragon was there first. No matter how powerful we are, the dragon was more powerful. No matter how much magic we command, the dragon commands more.

In other words, view the dragon and be humbled.



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I believe that dragons were turned into protectors because of their size and strength.



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Just being is a bit dull, isn't it? I would like to know or at least believe that everything on this planet had/has some sort of purpose. Just "being" is really pointless.



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Why is that, do you think? Why is simply existing for no other purpose but to exist, pointless?



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Dragons are protectors



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Because for simply existing for yourself, and not this planet or anyone or anything else on here..is just simply pointless. I believe the world is a big cycle. Everyone has a purpose here..everyone has something to do before they die. I don't think anyone or anything is here just to be here..for no reason.



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Personally thinking that everything has to exist for a purpose is arrogance. Let alone it being a purpose that you can understand.

But hey, that's just me. I'm perfectly happy to entertain the fact that some things exist just because.



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I agree with Vampirika. Existing just to exist does seem pointless. There has to be a purpose behind it. I don't see any arrogance in that.



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I think that it's either everything exists for themselves/itself or for someone/something..I doubt it can be both. If we'd go by your opinion though, then I think the world would never move or evolve at all. It would just stay still and exist for itself..with selfish people.



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Dragons have had a very checkered image throughout history.
From being a protector, to destroyer of villages, to a being that was offered virgins in sacrifice. In all the places of history, the common theme seems to be that they were magical creatures. Perhaps that was the true function of the dragon, a holder of the idea of magic.



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Dragons were here to pique our interest.



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Protectors.... Wise... Old souls... I love them!



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I guess Dragons were protectors of the weak and guardians of secrets, if they were a good dragon. If they were an evil Dragon, than I guess, they were in charge of great wars and destruction over the weak.



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very cool stuff. I also thought they were guardians, or protectors



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I had also heard that Dragons were the protectors of humankind and the keepers of wisdom.



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From what I have read Dragons where protectors of man. But man was tainted so over time man ended up killing the dragon.



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Who are we to try to explain the purpose of another creature? Its like asking a dog why humans are here.



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Dragons are a myth, well at least of the fire breathing kind :) However, through-out generations they have been symbolic of strength.



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Agreed. Mythical creatures. We are talking about fictional creatures, right?



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a dragon's purpose is to protectors of the earth and mankind at all time



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There are many different types of dragon's, one for example were chinese dragon's who in Chinese folklore have long been a symbol of power and war.



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I think the movie reign of fire has a interesting view on dragons!
they simply could be waiting for their food supply [US] to replenish itself!
then burn and devour the world again.
the bible mention's somthing about the world ending in fire and something about a seven headed serpent!
but I don't know exactly!



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Dragons are a MYTHOLOGICAL creature therefore it doesn't have to have a purpose since they aren't real........



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They didn't have one.



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Well since dragons are creatures of myth and don't exist...the only purpose they serve is to entertain, by being creatures of horror in fairy tales and things of that nature..



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Depends on what type of dragon you speak of.



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How would we ever really know? I think they were just creatures that had short lives



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I am not sure why there where dragons. Some say dragons are laylines in the earth now and there sleeping



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A creatures purpose is hard to define by another species. Could the dragons share information and knowledge? I doubt it due to the language barrier.



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I believe they were just a species and maybe we made them into more or something made them into more.



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I find this to be an odd question.

Whats your purpose on this planet?
Why is man kind here?
Why are there plants?
Why are wales in the sea?



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I believe they were (are) protectors and also being very wise and the hold great knowledge. I believe that some still exsit, they are just smarter than humans and remain hindden.



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i love dragons and am very fascinated with there mythology. and i do believe they once roamed this earth, but like the dinosaures went extinct



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dragons wear never understood and of course what did mankind do they got rid of them because they did not understand them and mankind is the smartest race if they had the know how they have now they would of cage up dragons and did all kinds of testing on them so we would know but still i think this is going to be mankinds downfall being a knowitall



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dragons are gaurdians at least thats what i believe



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The dragons are the symbols of separation between the common and the sacred worls.The symbol of initiation.They guard the treasures inside of the palace of Man but also they guard the unknown philosophal stone who lies in the road like an ordinary stone but cannot be seen by the ordinary men.
So the dragon may be the ally for the one who knows and keeps the silence, but also could be his enemy before tha man begins to really know what the treasures look like.

As about the quarell between Krab and Dracontion, I must say thet drakontion is not the only one who sustain this idea of some things without any purposes.
Kant names them "das ding ein sich" I think, "the things who exist for themselves".Some other philosophers as Platon, Heidegger, Spinoza, Locke have interesting theories about that.The utilitarist philosophy is the only one who denies this concept of "substance".
Maybe you should read some philosoply, Krab my friend.I think you will like this theory that Drakontion is speaking of.

Who knows.Maybe dragons are just substances and do not manifest now.



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I have read where they were protectors of the land and other creatures.They are often portrayed as fierce creatures who simply killed everything in their path.But that makes good reading doesn't it.
Since we may never know, I for one,look upon them as another misunderstood animal who because of their bad reputation is hated and feared.



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Dragons were guardians and teachers ,until we thought we knew better than they did, so they left to become protectors of the realms and behind the mystical veils that seperate the realms and if you look can still find their wisdom and counsel there.



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Depends on the country and era. A Chinese dragon meant something different than one from Medieval Europe - well the fantasy version of it.

To some, bringer and sharer of knowledge, to others, humans were food.



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They served purposes in the timeline of humanity just as angels now do. They existed but not as many would show you... it was a scene of the spiritual globe of reality. They still exist here and there to serve their purpose, and are usually very powerful within their prime power area. I've come across two and they are simply magnificent. Hell of an attitude but very respectable.



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From my own readings dragon's never cared for mankind unless you are someone of exceptional intelligence that has something to offer the dragons. Dragons hunt and spend their time expanding their knowledge humans are, insignificant to them and they rarely have any interest in us.



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I believe that somewhere Dragons await the time when Mankind finally goes extinct. Then they will rule the skies once more. They are much more intelligent than we will ever be.



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i believe for us to understand what a dragon is we would have to understand the minds of old. People of middle earth Anglo Saxons mapped with meticulous detail the places where the dragons slept & watched like ancient midfields, the dimensional beast are now land marks as they watch mankind from the vial between our world and the dead.
In England you will find drakes, Grendel and wyrms all monsters to England’s population.
Look up how much of England maps are linked with them in the name…. each one a possible portal with the dark fire breathing monsters that watch and can protect mankind if is really needed.

A side note in Plymouth we have Drakes island in the channel… we won the second world war from there it was protecting Devonport from planes subs n ships it even helped sink the Spanish invasion with sir Francis Drake hiding the small English navy and when he finished his game of bowling he went out n suck the Spanish armadas entire fleet.
So I guess Drakes have been protecting England for a very long time and Devon is a boundary mark for some of the biggest concentrations of dragons.



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well can't say i know much on this but just to say something diffrent or another angle so what if: the Drangons where nothing more than symbols of power be it wisdom or might f.ex the royals have always used the dragon motive well not all but many since old times and in the western world well they weren't realy nice people lot of wars to gain more power to control and dominate that would give a good reason to call a dragon fearsome or evil but still wise after all kings and first class people where highly educated compared to a farmer and skilled in combat tactics ect, thats the wise part.. in the east its properbly much the same story maybe they where alot wiser and kinder (the rulers) or some of them I base this on the fact that much of the old wisdom from the east dosen't seem so hostile compared to western, so dragons where and still are symbology of the rulers powers* some are understanding, others are for war so the purpose of a dragon depends based on who the dragon belongs to and from witch point of view you look just a thought.....



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The human mind is a wondrous thing and from it springs all such beings as dragons, demons, angels, protectors and destructors.

The first question is why we create such entities. The second question is why we so fervently hold to these beliefs.

The answers circle around ultimate questions of the why of our existence.

Mythological creatures spring from this wonder. They are not unimportant; they are symbols of deep needs and currents of feeling in humanity.



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I believe Dragons were a greater form of earthly intelligence not unlike the whales and dolphins of today, just with a much higher mind set.
Too bad organized religion killed them off.



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I would have to agree with most here. They were here to protect and teach and guard and as usual man came along and lived in great fear of what they didnt understand so they destroyed as many as they could find. There is still much we can learn from dragons thru study.



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Lazarusad, you will find organized religion are just plagiarist in folk law.. feel sorry for them.

Beowulf would have more bearing on it… if only that wasn’t loged by organized religions hell bent on changing history to give there belief one hope of truth after plagiarizing and burning till only whispers were left.

Dragons are guardians they did form the earth, we did started a war and they now guard portals or dimensions… look for places in England with drake in them .. all doorways
I have one in my journal a pictures of Drakes island…. Maybe google it



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I always thought they were protectors



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Ok,so you say Mankind may have killed off Dragons.....I would have to think hardly about some dumb caveman being able to bring down a giant Reptilian creature,Get Real!

Dragons are MYTH!

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Here is my pet Dragon,he lives in LA LA land.



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Ah maximus pain are you related to maximusnobus lol
Honestly… no dragons… yet they are spoke of lots in all nationals not ever connected lol
I will agree the Hollywood image is far from the truth… do tell me what research you have done into the ancient minds that wrote of such beast… please share you years of research that condemns a world of old as .. well … do share.



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the beliefs about dragons were mostly that they were the keepers of knowledge.



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that's true, and power.



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I think that Dragons were there to tests the limits of of the human race. You always hear stories of how heros fought dragons to save some one or solved their riddles to gain passage to something.



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probably protectors and such....



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We have skeleton evidence of many creatures that have lived throughout the ages. Where is the proof of mythological dragons? As far as I know the Komodo dragon does not provide us with knowledge or wisdom other than behavioral and biological information.



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As spiritual being who can be both a protector or a predator....



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Dragons the keepers of knowledge that make sence in the idea i have posted longer up the page just look at the world who made education who where the wise ones? I think the source of learning comes from the universities around the globe and many is set up by the royals, like royal academy of science
or created by a noble man/woman so I think its possible that drangos where how you asocciated those of royal blood or descriped them in tail after all there where a time when we comunicated in pictures/symbology and not words then in other parts knowledge is ofcourse more natural things like how to take care of the earth ect. read the other post i made and think about it or maybe debunk it .....



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to me dragons were protecters i sometimes think that some dragons were also reincarnated into human souls and still live today .



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i believe that the dragon was the protector of the land. a wise soul that is older than the land itself. but people fear what they do not understand and when that happened and people began killing them off they turned mean, naturally to protect themsleves.

i also have to agree that those that were killed have been reincarnated and the wise souls still live on today.

though i also believe that somewhere dragons still exist in the form they were originally created in.



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I belive dragons served a purpose to help protect and serve Wizards. kinda like a guard dog.



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As far as I can tell, they are pretty much just another energy entity....a particularly strong one, at that. Likely exist on another dimension and sort of overlap onto ours sometimes, I think.



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Somehow I believe that in some early ages, folks came upon dinosaur skelatal parts and were able to determine that they were a part of a larger, lizard like creature.

Also, there are many a nasty lizard in the world. In fact lizards are the most populous reptile in the world. So it is no wonder that a myth of a mystic creature based on the wonderful lizard has been formed.



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Sure dragons can be likened to lizards and why not Hollywood stuck plastic on them and made films… I think the world is full of sheep and media programmed from film and Tv.
Dragons are not lizards they are not having bones for they are shamanic visitors from dimensions.
Crazy I know … lol

I guess with all the new age concepts and so forth which are based on old age past, we should call new age old age relived and twisted to please the masses. Now that’s crazy lol

Places where the Vail between life n death was strong was known and mapped all over England like minefields, ancient Celts Saxons and Vikings new to not enter the areas for fear of waking the dragon. It’s going to be hard for you to understand the minds of old for you have grown with a different paradigm than them, your spirituality different you understanding of the world less magical… blind and deaf to nature, killing nature to build monstrosities called buildings draining lakes and mash grounds wild life gone forever… so not in tune with nature, from the greatest nebular to the smallest atom everything is in tune and follows the code of nature and balance… except us …. So no silly explanations of lizards is what old Celts thought was a monster that’s your paradigm of life… become a shaman live in nature go to places called drake and meditate … then you will see the watchers… just out of human vision behind the Vail.



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ok, here's a thought. I read a book once, where in a time of great slaughter, the Dragons, through dimensional travel slipped onto another world far from here. I do believe that some form of this theory could be true. Perhaps they still exist on another plain of existence or in another dimension. There is plenty that we do not know about other dimensions and plains of existence, that it cannot be completely ruled out. Humans may very well exist on other worlds. ok, i will not go off on a rant about this, but consider the possibility with a little open mindedness.



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I dont know the purpose of dragons or if they are protectors or not. When and if I get the chance to meet one I will be sure to ask.



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dragons were defenders of the eath and servants to the earth mother.



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i would say it was both defenders and attackers among them



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They at one point in time were here on earth. They are in hiding and waiting to be released in the world. There used to be a temple for them...but not for worship...it was for knowledge.
but it was unfortanetly destroyed and the location of where it was lost with time.



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from all the movies and books and spoken stories, the dragons are kind or evil. eepers of knowledge and they could even make your wishes come true if you survived the meeting afcourse..

that is all i know about them. my association to them are dinosaurs. when they first found their bones they were mistaken for dragons.



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Dragons were here to fulfill their purpose of sparking mankinds imagination, firing his desire to fly and warn him that something stronger than man lies out there and is intelligent too. Once their message was received they moved on from this brutal world to one more suited to them. My opinion only of course.



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A dragon's purpose is anyone would make them to be.. wise, friend of man, one to use man as food, scourge of mankind, or a sage to the wise.

That is what is wonderful about myth and legend, they are anything you wish them to be.



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i think they were protectors of knowledge and visdom!

and i agree also with most of the above



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Yes a lot of what people are saying is true, but some is not.



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from what i'v always been told Dragons where here to protect the earth from evil. There was even supposed to be a religous sect that worshipped them.



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Dragons exist on the planet?

Dragons are works of fantasy.

With that, such a work of fantasy may only be said to have an existence where that existance may only be a function of the mythology behind it.



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dragons was used for alot of different things some to protect some to destroy....



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dragons where dinosaurs.if you look at a pic of a wivern and take away its wings its a carnosaur.the artistic tradition mixes up pterosaurs and carnosaus.there is also plesiosaus like the loch ness monster and other lake monsters round the world.



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The many myths of dragons portrayed in all cultures shows us they were indeed oracles, protectors, evil tyrants, conquers, and saviors. I personally have not seen proof of dragons myself. Then man has destroyed many things in which it does not understand out of jealously and fear. Dragons that were oracles could have foreseen the future. With that knowledge they could have just left and removing all traces of themselves until the day in which man removes there destructive ways.



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that makes senses



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The dragons purpose could have also been something we could or would never think of.



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According to Isidore de Leville, there are marine dragons (anguis), earth dragon (serpents), air dragons (draco) and draco marinus which master sea and air. Dragons are always related to the elemental spheres and moreover they tend to personify each of separate element.

DRAGONS OF AIR

The element of Air governs the eastern quarter of the circle. Its dragon ruler is Sairys (sair'-iss), who oversees the dragons of breezes and winds. Its colour is pure yellow; it is considered warm and moist. The positive associations of Air are: sunrise, spring, the breath, optimism, joy, intelligence, mental quickness, renewing. Negative associations are: frivolity, gossip, fickleness, inattention, bragging, forgetfulness.

Dragons of this element belong to a family of Draconic beings whose subspecies include those of wind, storm, and weather. At times they join forces with the dragons of fire and volcanoes, seas and other waters, mountains and forests, and chaos. Just as no one element works totally alone, whether in magickal endeavours or physicals activities, elemental dragons join their great powers to accomplish tasks. Sometimes there is conflict of elemental powers, producing great atmospheric and environmental disturbances, but mostly the elementals work in harmony.

DRAGONS OF EARTH

The element of Earth rules the northern quarter of the circle. Its ruler is Grael (grail), who oversees the dragons of mountains, land, minerals, gems, and moonbeams. Its colour is clear, dark green; it is cold and dry. Positive associations of Earth are: midnight, winter, respect, endurance, responsibility, stability, prosperity, thoroughness, purpose in life. Negative associations are: rigidity, unwillingness to change or see another side of a problem, stubbornness, lack of conscience, vacillation. Earth-element dragons are the most placid, unless they are required to stir up great disruptive energies such as earthquakes. The subspecies belonging to this element are the dragons of the mountains and forests and those of desert and arid regions. As might be easily guessed, the element of Earth often works closely with dragons of fire and volcanoes and those of chaos and destruction.

DRAGONS OF WIND, STORM, AND WEATHER

Dragons of wind and storm and weather are long, slender dragons, some of them with great gauzy wings, others with the Oriental "flying-lump" on their foreheads. Down the spine of the back flutter thin fringes of membrane tissue. The tend to be pale yellows and pale blues, but change to angry red-orange, purple, or black when they call up storms. Long, feathery antennae rise above their eye ridges.

They are excellent helpers to control excesses in the weather; getting things moving in your life, especially in the areas of creativity and the mental processes; protection; flexibility of the mind; openness to new ideas; sweeping away obstacles, most of ten in a dramatic fashion. Sometimes these dragons have feather-looking scales that surround their eyes and necks. Such a dragon was the British Henham dragon, which was well documented in 1669. It was described as being only about nine feet long with small wings and rather curious eyes surrounded by 'feathers'. The Henham dragon put in repeated appearances before a number of observers for several years before it disappeared.

DRAGONS OF FIRE

The element of Fire governs the southern quarter of the circle. Its dragon ruler is Fafnir, who oversees the dragons of Fire and the sunbeams. Its colour is pure red; it is considered warm and dry. The positive associations of Fire are: noon, summer, the sun, blood, enthusiasm, activity, change, passion, courage, daring, will power, leadership. Negative associations are: hate, jealousy, fear, anger, war, ego, conflicts, lightning. Subspecies of the Fire-element dragon family are those of fire and volcanoes. The subspecies of desert and arid-region dragons, and those of chaos and destruction, often work closely with draconic entities of this element. Dragons of Fire and VolcanoesFire dragons are all shades of reds, oranges, and deep yellows. They have thick, heavy bodies and long snakelike necks and tails. Some of them sleep in dormant volcanoes for long periods of time before they once again become activeThese dragons are also visible in forest fires and large structure blazes. They are very unpredictable, unreliable, and difficult to work with. If not properly handled, and then only within a cast and sealed circle, fire dragons will do as they please with a magician's spell. They will achieve the asked-for end result, but may "burn" their way through everything to get there. Dragons of Fire and volcanoes help with personal purification on all levels of being, energy, courage, stamina to pursue goals and finish projects, remove obstacles and barriers. Be very certain you want their help in the barrier-removal, for these dragons will go through and over anything and anyone to achieve the goal. The results can be swift and difficult to handle emotionally.


DRAGONS OF THE SEAS AND VARIOUS WATERS
Dragons who dwell in the seas, lakes, rivers, ponds, and other bodies or water, whether large or small, are basically shaped like Oriental Dragons. They are usually long and serpent-like, usually without legs or wings.

They are a variety of shades of blue, from silver-blue to dark blue-green. In fact, their shades cover all the hues of the water in which they reside. All of them have a silvery hue to their scales with some shade of blue predominant on the belly scales. They have feathery fringes about their mouths and down their backs. They have large horny eye sockets set in a rather flat snakelike head. These dragons can be very large or very small, depending on their dwelling place. Dragons of the seas and various waters help with emotions, either calming them or breaking through a barrier built around them; movement, both to get events moving and to keep things fluid; calmness on all levels of being and in all circumstances; creating changes, especially those brought about by breaking free of people who control us through our emotions.

Sightings of these creatures is so well documented that one can dismiss the sceptics' observations that people are only seeing dolphins, squids, or other common water creatures. Sea dragons have been seen all around the world, but especially off the coasts of Scandinavia, Denmark, the British Isles, and North America, as well as in various lochs, lakes, and rivers.

No other Draconic species have been so well documented as those of the various waters. Not only in stories and myths, but official records of several governments


DRAGONS OF THE MOUNTAINS AND FORESTS

Dragons of the mountains and forests generally have the look of the Western Dragon, with heavier body, four legs, huge wings, long neck, and tail. Mountain dragons are much heavier looking in the body than those of forests.

Dragons of the mountains and forests help to build long-lasting foundations in life; long-range goals; stability; physical and mental endurance; responsibility and sometimes the strength to stand up under existing responsibilities; enduring prosperity and success that come through personal effort and planning.

Forest dragons inhabit stretches of deep forests, groves, sometimes solitary clusters of trees. They like the changing pattern of sunlight through the branches and leaves. They tend to get upset and sometimes belligerent if their forests are damaged or destroyed without a good explanation.

Both mountain and forest dragons have been known to inhabit areas close to human towns and farms. Sometimes this created conflict, sometimes not, depending upon the behaviour of the humans. After the belligerent Christians gained power, dragons were hunted with great determination, until they withdrew from the physical plane.

Some of these dragons are of the variety that at one time lived in or around barrows or burial mounds, especially if there was treasure inside.

Mountain dragons usually are found in the high, rocky peaks or rugged outcroppings. Some of the older ones staked out their domains on the very top where the wind and snow caress their great bodies.

Dragons of both the mountains and forests are shades of greens, browns, and blues and often have upright rows of sharp scales down their necks and backs
Dragons Elements





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I would have hoped that they are protectors of soemthing important...if they ever were real I'd believe they were here to protet or guide souls.



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I think the first reply..or first post said it all.
Dragons were just another animal trying to live on this planet
with everyone else..purpose-unknowen.
why must they have a purpose other then
to live and survive?Man...back then,
did not know how to study a creature of the strange
and unusual.So...they just assumed by appearance
that they were evil..and destroyed them all.
The End.



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