My girlfriend sent me this article in an email, and I found it very interesting
Here is the link
http://www.roman-empire.net/religion/superstitions.html
A superstitious Society
Compare to modern society, the Romans seem extremely superstitious. But then today's major religions have all throughout their past discouraged, even combatted, superstitions. Also our sciences and our technological world allows little room for superstition.
The Romans lived in an era previous to this. Their world was full of unexplained phenomena, darkness and fear. To Romans these superstitions were a perfectly natural part in the relationship between gods and men.
The Roman habit of interpreting natural phenomena as signs from the beyond stemmed from the Etruscans.
The Etruscans, who developed reading omens and auspices into a form of science, knew different means of divination. In their beliefs the signs they read were sent to them by a mythical boy called Tages, who in their mythology was to have been ploughed up from the earth.
They would seek to read the future by examining the entrails of sacrificial animals, the liver being of special importance for that purpose. They would observe lighting and interpret its meanings. And they would try and put meaning to any unusual phenomena which occured.
The belief that objects, or living beings could possess special spiritual properties was widespread in primitive societies. The Romans were no strangers to this idea. Stones, trees, springs, caves, lakes, swamps, mountains - even animals and furniture - were all deemed to be hosts to spirits (numina). Stones in particular were often seen to contain spirits, especially if they were boundary stones, dividing one man's property from the other. It is very telling that the Latin word for such a boundary is terminus and that there actually was a Roman god called Terminus. This odd deity took the form of a huge piece of rock which rested in the temple of Jupiter on the Capitoline Hill. Apparently several attempts to move the bolder when constructing the temple had failed. And so it remained within the temple, because it had 'refused to move, even for Jupiter'.
But Roman superstitions didn't end there. Children were told stories of nasty creatures who'd come to eat them if they weren't good. From the Greeks they had Mormo, a terrifying woman with donkey legs. And the Roman Lamia who stalked around looking for children to eat.
Children were by far not the only ones to fear such bogeys. The ghosts of the dead (lemures) roamed in all kinds of dark places. The Romans believed that some houses were visited by ghosts. Perhaps because the house had been the scene of a crime, worse still a murder.
Nobody dared live within such haunted walls, few would even go near the place.
Werewolves (verspilles), men who would turn into wolves and roam with the real wolves, perhaps attack herds at night, before turning back to human form, were also a belief known to the Romans. Further there was the belief that some old women knew the art of changing their form into birds. The stormy north seas were also said to be teeming with ghastly monsters, some being shaped half man, half beast. Witches and vampires would sneak into house of a dead man to rob and mutilate his corpse, for example; eating its nose.
The bodies of the dead were hence well watched over during the time before they were buried.
Many Roman also wore amulets and lucky charms, to avert the 'evil eye'. Marriages were planned for certain days and certain months to prevent them from being overshadowed by bad omen. One was to take care to cross the threshold of a house with one's left foot.
It was a omen of disaster to have a black cat enter the house, have a snake fall from the roof into the yard, or for a beam of the house to split. To spill wine, oil or even water could also be the sign that bad things were about to happen. Another prophecy of bad luck was to meet a mule in the street carrying a herb called hipposelinum, which was used to decorate tombs.
Another strange superstition was that one could stop oneself from having unpleasant thoughts by moistening a finger with saliva and rubbing it across the skin behind the ear.
If a cock would crow during a party, either the correct magic spell to overcome the bad omen needed to be cast or nothing was eaten that day.
To stumble over the doorstep when leaving one's house was considered a bad omen. Many would choose to read this as a sign and hence spend the day at home. Never should one mention fire at a banquet. Although if it was done, one could remedy it by pouring water on the table.
But not all in Roman society were subject to superstitious. The educated upper classes were generally more enlightened. Few of them believed in ghosts. Most superstitious fears only had a hold over the generally uneducated lower ranks of society.
Although the upper classes were anything but immune to many of the widespread superstitions.
Nightmares were generally seen as omens of bad luck. A bad dream might be reason enough for a lawyer to ask that his case be adjourned .
The Historian Pliny the Elder tells of a M. Servilius Nonianus, who was one of the leading men in Rome, and who was terribly worried about losing his sight. To prevent this from happening he wore a lucky charm around his neck consisting of the two Greek letters alpha and rho. Consul Mucianus, too, suffered form the same fear of losing his eye sight. He sought to prevent it by carrying with him a live fly in a white cloth.
Pliny the Elder reports that both methods were very successful in preventing the men from going blind.
The Sibylline Books
The Sibylline Books, mentioned in the article Prayers and Sacrifice were consulted on the order of the Senate at times of crisis and calamity, in order to learn how the wrath of the gods could be allayed.
The story goes that a sibyl (a sibyl was a Greek prophetess) offered to Tarquinius Superbus a collection of prophecies and warnings in the form of nine books at a high price. When he refused, she threw three of them into the fire and offered him the remaining six at the original price of the nine. He refused again and she burned three more and offered him the surviving three, still at the same price. This time he bought them, at what he could have paid for all nine.
The Sibylline Books were accidentally burned in 83 BC, and evoys were sent all round the known world to collect a set of similar utterances. Augustus had the new collection put in the temple of Apollo on the Palatine Hill, where it remained until it was finally destroyed in the fifth century.
Auspices and Omens
Disasters were seen by Romans as manifestations of divine disapproval, and unusual phenomena as portents of catastrophe.
To hear of such phenomena could create panic in a society riddled with superstitions, particularly in times of crisis. The very power of the Sibylline Books in Roman society, illustrates just how seriously the relationship between Roman and the spiritual world was taken. No official state business was every really held without the taking of omens and/auspices (auspices: signs from birds). For this purpose an augur would be present. He would mark out a square on the ground with his staff, from where the omens should be observed. Significantly though, he was not the man to actually took the sighting. This was left to a state official. The augur acted as his advisor. So, if the official would make out for example some birds flying by, then he coudl call upon the augur to help interpret their meaning. For this many things would be of importance. What type of birds were they, where had they been, how high were they flying, how fast were they flying and where were they flying to ? Even the army resorted to taking auspices. They carried with them cages with sacred chicken. When cake was crumbled onto the floor before them, would they eat or not ? Depending on that, the omens were either good or bad.
At the sea battle of Drepanum in 249 BC, the consul Claudius Pulcher is said to have thrown the sacred chicken overboard, once they refused to eat their cake. He commented, that if they did not eat, they could at least drink. It was clear that his subsequent catastrophic defeat in battle by the Carthaginians was blamed on his having ignored the auspices
State business was fraught with difficulties, regarding omens. New laws might even have to be declared invalid if the omens hadn't been observed. Naturally this also offered reason to manifold possibilities purposes. If a bad omen had been observed then one could raise this matter at the beginning of the meeting of the senate or other political assembly and house might well decide to close for business for the day. In 59 BC, during Caesar's consulship, the other consul, Marcus Bibulus, tried to stop Caesar's laws from being passed on religious grounds. He announced he would be staying at home and looking out for omens. Bibulus' attempt succeeded in making the assembly nervous, but it did not manage to defeat Caesar's legislation. Caesar eventually won the day and his laws were passed, yet they were regarded with some suspicion.
Aware of the cynical way in which politicians might exploit omens, which they would report to the house, there was a clear distinction made between omens reported by others and such which revealed themselves suddenly. For example a sudden bolt of lighting in the sky, or an epileptic fit by someone in the assembly. These could indeed be seen as grave matters. If lighting was observed during the taking of the auspices, then it was in fact deemed a good sign. But thereafter it was seen as bad.
Epileptic fits were always seen as serious. So much so that some members might actually pretend to have one in order to hinder political plans of their opposition during these meetings.
In 114 BC something happened which must have been unimaginable to superstitious Roman society. A vestal virgin was actually struck by lighting. No doubt it struck fear into the hearts of Romans that such a symbol of Roman spiritual life should be killed by the gods.
And so a commitee was formed which was to investigate just what might have brought about the wrath of the gods. Predictably, the commitee concluded that it had been the vestal virgins themselves who had brought about such ill omens. Naturally, it was decided, that the one killed by lighting had broken her vow of chastity and so had been punished by the gods. But so too other vestals were also convicted of having broken these vows. So dire was this crisis deemed that the senate called for the reading of the Sibylline Books. The books advised that there was only one horrendous remedy. And so, to allay teh anger of the gods, two couples, one Greek and one Gallic, were buried alive.
Other bad omens Roman laws tried to prevent from the outset. And so there was laws to ban women in many places from holding a spindle in public. For should anyone lay eyes on such a woman, it could mean exceptionally bad luck. In fact it could mean the failure of the harvest.
So my question would be , do you think our society today is still as superstitious as it was back then in the Roman age ?
No I don't think that we are at all that superstitius... but what throws me is how the Romans can be that superstitious and still have had as much power as they did for as long as they did.
I know that is what I was thinking as well. As for society today, look at how amny hotels have no 13th floor. Me i dont think 13 is unlucky if anything its lucky to me .
I think the belief in the superstious depends on several things, your cultural background, your religious affliliation, and your personal experiances....I come from an old eatern european family, so we still put red bands on peoples wrists and my grandparents still utter prayers or things on peoples heads as a means of curing migranes.
It depends on individual families. My family is not superstitious.
I think we tend to be superstitious by nature. Most of the superstitions have been proven to be based on ignorance.
So, 'break a leg'.
Supersitions all seem to be based on fear and not knowing like a great many other things. Placed in use by upbringing or just individual choice. I don't personally think they have any power over your life unless you give them power by believing in them so strongly they take over and run your life for you.
Good point scorpio. Superstitions to me seem to be based on fear and ignorance.
I think superstitions and omens are things that we are groomed to be wary of. I am very superstition with certain things and not so much with others.
And as others above have said, I also agree that they carry a large weight of fear of the unknown .
I also, think that most of them only carry as much weight as you put into them or believe in.....
I think it all depends on individual families, thier beliefs, and how you were raised. My family is extremely superstitious.
I am not personally superstitious, but I work for a Greek family who are rather religious and are always talking about some superstition or other. It has been a great learning experience working with them and learning about the culture of people who believe in such things.
I see no problem in being superstitious. Not walking under a ladder isn't stupid. The thing could slip and fall on you!! Seriously, I believe it has to do with cultural background. There are so many superstitions. So culture and family teachings seem to be the culprit in my opinion.
I think our society as a whole is way too superstitious. Especially me, lol. I remind myself of that TV detective, Monk.
I believe that if something bad occurs on a regular basis it could lead a person to become superstitious. It's like a natural protection barrier.
I believe superstition is still around in a lot of people but they don't show it like they used to. If we were to play into some of them we would probably still get a mass reaction from people
I think we are, but the nature of the superstition has changed. It now tends toward misunderstanding science and technology.
How many people believe some of the stories and emails on the internet. We would have scopes.com or even mythbusters.
Examples are the email that tells you that Bill Gates will give you a something if you send this email to 10 people and that he can track this email across the internet and count how many times it was sent. If the email had a virus in it and you executed the virus, that may happen, but simple text email doesn't work that way.
How about the engine additive that gives us better gas milage. We believe it enough to buy the stuff, with no proof that it really works. Sounds like supersticious behavior.
I agree that superstition comes from what you were taught as a child. If your parents/grandparents told you never to walk under ladders or to 'knock on wood' then you'd probably more often than not do it out of habit. If you stopped to actually think about what you were actually doing & why then i'm guessing a lot of people wouldn't be able to come up with a valid reason.
just look at any sport and you will see superstition at work, athletes will wear the same socks, put on their uniform the same way, walk around the locker room in the same pattern to no jinx them self. it is all around us, they side of the bed we sleep on, which shoe or sock we put on first, what side of the plate you place your fork on.
I don't have a fixed side of the bed, I put on whichever shoe I pick up first & the fork always goes on the left hand side of the plate, that's etiquette!
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Now maybe I missed it in the first post... (I am half asleep) but has anyone ever wondered what brought them about? I mean did a black cat cross someones path and then they got hurt? What is it that has made the superstitions what they are.... walking under ladders..... etc.... anyone have a clue?
Over the centuries, many superstitions have been all but forgotten. There are many people who are still superstitious in many ways. Theater folk, as a whole, say it is bad luck to say anything other than "break a leg" before a performance. People still will avoid cracks in sidewalks, walk under a ladder (to me that is just using common sense) or throwing a pinch of spilled salt over their shoulder. I know of a person that while walking side by side, if both parties do not say "bread and butter" - will make people go back and do it until said.
People still mention of crows or whichever as a bad omen...these things will never die down, and live in many people for various reasons and such.
Well, today's superstitions are different than they were back then but we definitely are just as superstitious as they were then.
I hope i dont offend anyone but Catholics arent so differnt from Polytheistic religions. You have many who still pray in the honor of Saints especially in latin american countries. Supersitions arent so different. Same with Muslims. They still have that old Zorastrian and Ancient Arabian superstition even they they are now monotheistic. The amount of superstion in religions today are no different than they were back then..just changed
No I don't think today we are as superstitious as the Romans were. It all depends on your background, how you were raised and your beliefs but as a whole I would say no.
No because modern science keeps explaining how things happen that they were clueless on
Superstitutions and bad omens were still prevalent throughout the world and only within the past couple of hundred years have most of them dispelled. They are still among us in nursery rhymns and you still see people avoiding cracks, walking under ladders (which to me, is smart, never know what can fall of a ladder) and the tossing of salt over a shoulder when something is spilled.
People still cling to them.
I believe that society today has gained more knowledge and there fore we dont believe as much in the superstitions
I think to an extent we are still just as superstious (sp sucks sorry) We have just changed some of the things we are superstious about. We try and use more reason now to explain away the bad things but I still think we hold onto Karma alot
I also think it comes down to your upbringing and your social enviorment.
I think people has used superstition in order to find something that can explain bad things. It is in human nature to put the blame on something.
Superstition can become so extreme that it will kill you. If you think that breaking a mirror will bring you 7 years of bad luck, then it will.
Why? Because you subconsciously ruin things for yourself.
I think superstision is still very much with us today me personaly i have a saint miachels that i carry in my wallet and i have to make sure i have my good luck charm with me. I know others who yhave good luck charms or that wont walk on cracks in the pavement or walk under ladders.
For those of us who are skeptical of superstition and wary for belief systems and their religions, we can clearly see just how innundated our culture is in superstition and the like. Let's face it, were it not for the superstition of the "Vampire," would this website even exist?
People here are constantly opining very positively to just about any and all beliefs and superstitions, whether it be re: vampires, werewolves, witches, including any and all imaginable permutations thereon regardless the complete lack of empirical evidences for same. Actual evidence matters very very little here, unfortunately.
How ironic, therefore, to read the comments of those here and discover that most of those claiming that we are less superstitious reveal themselves in other discussion threads here to be some of the most superstitious of the entire VR group. Simply head over to the discussion thread "Skepticism and the Occult" to see just how positively any and every superstition and belief system is viewed and how negatively skepticism is considered.
Thus... yes... we are unfortunately just as superstitious now as they were then. At least if the VR group is at all indicative of general societal views on this topic.
I've never found anything but 1 talisman to really qualify as a superstition.. sort of the feeling of being naked when ppl don't wear a watch... i feel less than whole without my charm...
I don't think we are as superstitous as then, but we are stlll superstitious some.
I know people who still think black cats are bad luck. I am not superstitious ,personally.
I came from a place where everyone believes in superstition... hell I was born as a breach and the older people from my town thinks i can heal them when they have a bone stuck on their throat, so they'll call me and ask me if i can heal them, i told them i dont know if i can and they are telling me what to do, and then they told me it was gone... I dont know how it happened but they seem to believe it.. i am very superstitious about other things and i do believe on it..
i think supersitions are awesome..though they are built out of fear its great to see from where they originated and how stories, urban legends , and tall tales are born
no, honestly not as much, we have science to explain why certain things happen as they do, and we have all stepped on cracks (metaphorically) and noted that it did "not" break our mom's backs...so indeed proof that many old things just don't work anymore.
I think Tzaddi had some good points. I have thought the same way. Many superstitions and old wives tales are good advice.
Some religious practices, such as kosher (cleanliness in food preparation, humane slaughtering of animals, consideration to parasites in certain types of meat) , are even sound scientifically.
Don't walk under ladders, don't cross on steps, even saying "bread and butter" when allowing an object to separate two people walking are good safety rules.
Even though we are a more educated society, I believe we are a supersitious society. We still believe in past belief's that our ancestor's created (i.e... black cats, mirrors, bad luck, good luck, ect...) We are controled by our own fear.
Superstitions have been around forever, and probably will be around for evermore. The way I see it, people follow them because it makes them feel better; erring on the side of caution, as it were. It doesn't hurt anyone to touch wood, or say 'break a leg' before someone goes onstage, and it may give them a touch more confidence thinking they've done their bit to ward off bad luck.
I believe that the cultural background of a person would lead to whether or not they believe or not in omens and/or superstitions.
I like the take from the last post.
A person's upbringing will definitely determine how much superstition is instilled in one's life.
Do I think we are less supersitious then in Roman times? A little.
But remember, the actions of a less superstisious Western culture is only a small portion of the world's population. Many other cultures around the globe still live and believe based on their cultural superstitions.
With Evolving technology we are discovering more things that nurture critical thinking.As we learn the influences that superstitions where created to maintain we as a society become less "ruled"by superstitious whims.Yet somethings persist to appear to be linked to omens as the people who manipulate interpetations
to increase followers in there fold then the underlying
spread of omen curiousity will take longer to disipate.
To this day, my wifes side of the family still believes bad things happen in three's, bringing an open umbrella into the house is bad luck and if a bird gets into the house someone close is going to die!
it depends on the part of the world and the indveiule i would say yes speaking as a highly supersitiuos person
I think our society still has superstitions and these will still be around for a long time, but people these days are less superstitious than the people from back then.
I dont think that society is as superstitious as it used to be, but like others said it would depends on your culture and where you grew up. I think we keep some superstitions around just for the novelty of it. Like knock on wood for example. Others can just be a comfort factor like a lucky sweater favorite hat.
I tend to agree with JackofSpades83. We do keep them around for novelty. It depends on the individual, whether they are superstitious or not. Myself, I must say, yes, I am.
Very informative thread, thanks.
I actually feel that people today have come up with more superstitions than ever, still holding on to those old one's from Roman times and many other times. So I think people now are even more superstitious than back then.
I am supersitious about some things but not everything
they come from the area you where raised and your parents
I wouln't say we are that superstitous with science covering lots today but I also think it depends on your background and culture.
Superstition in general is the belief of a link between a causation and effect when their is no proof of one.
Even some scientific studies make you wonder. Does drinking several glasses of red wine a week reduce cholesteral or is it that the a person that drinks moderately may also eat moderately and excercise moderately? What is the real cause and effect here. So you wonder, how many people drink red wine with their steak in an effort to lower their cholesterol, when they should really not eat steak. This is a simple form of superstitious behavior.
society has never really existed...people think it does but it doesnt...
so we can talk about the single person go from person to person about this yes but as a 'society' no...
I believe that many people feel that if you do certain things like walk under ladders something will happen...alot of people do but I dont know if everyone has...
I don't think we are as superstitous as our ancestors were. I think modern society has developed to the point where the individual means more than the group if that makes sense. So superstitions and omens don't mean as much as they use to.
Mind you there are many who will scoff at superstitions and omens, but will also quietly go out of their way to make sure they don't cross the line lol.
I have a weird superstition to share -
When you walk down the street and you find a penny you look to see if it is on heads right? Everyone does. What do you do if it is on tails? Do you throw it back saying "fuck now i touched it, i am sure to have bad luck"? Maybe you look before you touch.
My theory is this: when you see a penny on tails it is not bad luck to flip it over so the next person to find it gets good luck.
So my superstition is to flip it over or bad luck comes to me for ignoring the good deed.
No, it isn't.
Many of the superstitions back then were made without any scientific basis behind it. Many were also made for tall-tales and what-not.
However, these days things are more able to be dis-proven by science therefore making superstitions all but gone.
they're there if you believe in them....... those that believe not stay behind in knowledge... omens and superstitions are more so a way to live a ritual if you will...... think about ritual means to do it on a regular basis...... it is ritual for me to flip the penny....i feel better about my self regardless what happens to the penny or the person who finds it
I am Irish but do not hold to their supersticious nature. I do however, believe that there are always signs all around us we just have to be open to seeing them.
It's not unusual for people to resort to superstitions to understand phenomena which they could not explain. Nowadays we have theories and books and sciences to explain events which were previously thought of as strange and mystical. Then again, I also agree with previous posts that it would all depend on your culture, social background and faith whether you believe in superstition or not; despite its contention with scientific theories.
Interesting idea with the penny HellHathWings. I was actually going to mention that superstition.
IMO, I would say that the generic overall populace is just, if not more-so, superstitious as they were then. The superstitions have simply changed for the times.
Like the penny, don't quite think that was around during the Roman Empire days do you? It is now though isn't it?
There are quite a few that have been altered for one reason or another and adopted to fit more in our day and time, but I would say that overall, yea, we are just as superstitious as they were back then. It's just adapted for our time.
Just thought of a couple of things that further my statement I've already made.
2 Superstitions that are relatively new.
First, the cigarette packs "lucky". The first cigarette of the pack is flipped upside down and smoked last.
Not too sure here, but wouldn't that have to be a relatively new superstition? How long have boxed cigarettes been around? What started it? What makes that particular cigarette lucky?
Second, lighting 3 cigarettes in a row is conisdered unlucky.
While this one could be taken back as an older version, from the cigarette to pipes of old or whatever.
This one though, has a logical reason behind it and why it started.
This one was/is viewed mostly by those in the military.
Lighting 3 in a row, gives a sniper from half a mile away a fair chance at hitting someone randomly.
Light 1, then 2, then 3. If I was a sniper watching, I would simply aim in the middle. Odds are, I will hit someone. i.e. 3 lights, unlucky.
Oh and yes, I did just finish a cigarette. LoL
Behind a superstition there is a tendency to attach reasoning to it those that last through the ages come through with folk testimony, things that used to aid in advoiding things not understood or not discovered. Veiled safety lessens, fables served a purpose but not as ritual OCD wise, It just shows the people are the distraction of a persons critical thinking, how many superstitions did not make it, i would think the ones that had to do with Taboos or entertainment. like staying out late had a superstition once," Early to bed early to rise.... "
"The early bird gets the worm...." yea but what if I am the worm.... you may say these are not superstitions persay' but they are a foundation for one just the same, in the mind of a person who seeks a self preserving mantra superstitions develop. Healthy superstitions are one thing but OCD my heart goes out to those that hold fast to irrational fears impressed upon them with trivial superstitions.
I think we are as superstitious today as we were back then. It just comes out differently. Like dabbler mentioned OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder for those who do not know) That is, for the milder cases at least, one way to interpret superstition, that something bad will happen if we do not turn of the coffee machine etc.
If you look in society today, most people avoid going under ladders, and some twitch when they see a black cat cross the road. This is to me proof that we are no better than the Romans.
Now, as for the number 13. It was originally a lucky number to the Egyptians who believed there were 12 steps on the ladder to heaven but if you took the 13th step you world become immortal.
The 13th card of a tarot deck is death, but that can also be interpretated as a transformation.
Is superstition good or bad? I think it is good to be cautious, but if you are to superstitious then it can very well be the end of your time.
Yes numerology is superstition as well...but Physics is about to explain the whole of existence with numbers...so is superstition really a bad thing...or just a way to explain forces we know exist...but can't explain in less ancient terms? So many things throughout history were considered magikal & mystical. So much becomes science, once we figure it out.
Omens are out there always have been, they will for tell of whats to come. I'm not that superstitious, but I do believe some of the wives tells.
With origins in Tales we find things that never made it to writing. So the origin of the caution has to be placed in its element ie: the correct era, and the social zeitgeist needs to be in the equation as well. unlike folk phrases superitious mantras lead people to react to something to avoid or gain favor with fate... something that appeals to us spiritually and to our self preservation.
superstions is what one person has, not nessisarly i society.. it can also be another word for routine... all professional athletes have superstition and routines
There are cultural and social origins to superstitions. Some the ones that fade away eventually are era specific.
i think that the pagan side of society keeps to its lores and superstitions, but we now have a society so saturated with the Media that we fear little and believe in nothing.
my family have a few superstitions such as: you must give a new born baby a gold coin on the first time of seeing them or you'll bring them bad luck with money when they grow older.
another is: don't bring a new pram into the house until the pregnancy is close to it's end or you may be tempting fate.
and:never leave shoes on the table, I have no Idear about this one.
Back in the Roman days there would of situations, objects and other peculiarities that would of been beyond their comprehension and understanding. In society today, we have technology and the education to explain things that may have been an omen in the past..
A very interesting article - thanks for sharing it. I believe that superstitions had some basis in observing the world around you, and trying to explain the things that were hard to explain or understand in nature - much like religion.
I was struck by the info in Terminus, as I recalled reading somewhere about how the ancients use to bury a person - alive or dead, I can't recall - in the foundations of whatever important house or temple they were building. I can see a connection there.
Kontradiction -
I'd have to think omens and superstitions go much farther back than Pagan society. ;]
I would venture a guess the the origins of omens and superstitions go back way beyond recorded history.
Early man had to have been freaked out by lightning storms, tornados, solar and lunar eclipses, and hell, even a stampede of animals would be enough to insprie awe.
If any of these things occured during or after a person's actions or another person's actions, then they would likely form a belief that their actions caused the event, and their actions should be avoided in the future to prevent the omen or action from occuring again.
Nope, we aren't. We know that we don't have to sacrifice babies anymore to the sun to have a good harvest. hahaha....unless we just want to.
I think in today's society we use supersitions as a scapegoat for the cold hard truth look at it this way you lost your job today is it easier to admit to your own insubordination or blame the black cat you crossed paths with yesterday
It just goes to show how we all think differant about one subject
I think today some things can be explained and superstition can be something not to be totally overlooked. If you think you can win the lotter with certain numbers, your numbers mean something, going against the ladder when its propped up, doing things in a certain manner from day to day. It is the way people think. They way people feel comfortable or against what seems bad in the way of going to the 13th floor or stepping on the crack you might break your mothers back. It all goes back to what you were brought up in, the enviroment and how you have grown out of things. I still keep closet doors closed because I just dont trust them open ever....
As you mentioned, in today's Scientific and Technological world there is little room for superstitions and those that have survived these days are balked at by a thousand sceptics only too willing to explain them away...
darkicewolf -
I think that goes along with a thread that used to be around about 'Manifestation'.
Singularity-
No I mean if you think something bad is going to happen to you,and it does. Would that be superstition? Manifestation would be something else, like if something pops up in front of you out of no were. Or am I thinking of something else.
I think that also could be considered in a way, 'manifestation'. You'd be thinking something bad will happen to you and something does.
Either that or very bad luck.
Yea bad luck runs in the family.
Would old wives tales be a omen like a black cat or a broken mirror?
Same here. Never any good luck comes our way.
I my househole, we actually observer or practice the following supersititions:
1. When stating that something was gone well, we immediately "knock on wood" be it wood, stone, steel, or otherwise. We find that if we do not do this, things fall apare.
2. When at work, and things are going slow or going well, you NEVER state that things are slow or going well. The second you do, all hell breaks lose.
3. Be wary during the full moon. Here in FL, the drivers do become more erratic and people actually become more rude and mean.
The moon is another big things in Oklahoma, in the country you here wolf howls and find large animals half eaten. Kinda creepy seeing wolves are not none to live in Oklahoma.
And yea you are right, you say you haven a good day at work and then bam a load of people come in or something breaks down.