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I've seen several differen threads all on "seperate" groups of magic.

Magic is magic plain and simple. This point to seperate them all into different areas annoyingly asinine. One who believes in all magic should know that it all is intertwined and connected. You won't ever have death without life, or night without day. For one thing cannot have a meaning without something to be its opposite.

I read the thread about night magic, and death magic, i've read older threads about sun magic and life magic. Its not a predetermined type of magic, none of it is. You put a name tag on something and all of the something there is either an ominous, or joyous thought provoked just at hearing the name.

The user are what determine magics alignment, not the time of day, or whether or not he healed a wound or made one worse that makes it so.

For example, say that magic was like air, it existed around us but few could utilize it, and someone did utilize it when angry and destroyed something, or even perhaps killed someone. Does that make the magic itself evil and dark? As in with free will it was that person, and not the ability he used that did the damage.

So, after this all being said, do any of you agree, disagree still believe that magic s a crock?

Me grammar doth suck sorry I edited and took words out, and now certain things sound retarded lol.

I believe that magic is real. I have seen it work

Magic is magic do agree with that I think that people just classify it as to what is being used as, weather magic, candle magic, and so on and so forth.

Yes, magick all comes from the same source initially, but what's so wrong about classifying it into different sections (candle magick, etc.)? Is it really doing any harm?

Actually no it does not do any harm in classifing it

I think what they were getting at was gettin advise on how to use different forms of the same magic . i could be wrong but hey just my thought .

When you classify it though you get people who think "hey I'm going to learn 'night' magic" Or generally just think that one "area" of magic is superior to another and its not true, and its not good. You end up having rediculous haughty attitudes amongst already uneducated people in the matters of things that not even the masters have full knowledge of. That is why I have a problem with the classifications of magic.

ThePinja I agree completely to someone starting out in this magical field if you will they need to know more than the classifications that some use they need to start with the beginning working themselves to where they truly belong within the magical world.

I think of it this way. All areas do draw from mostly the same sources: Your belief that is works, your emotions, and what you have felt on your own.

Each though has its own take to do with that energy. But yes all are about the same when it comes from that.


Though also think of it this way on why they are classified in part the way they are. Not only are the just a take, but a flavor that has built up its own force from people using it in the there way of believing in magic.

No worrieson your grammer sounded a bit like yoda... lol. Yes magic exists by any and all names, good, bad, neutral...hmmm just a label... always magic(Majik,magick, ect.).

true but the method of impemention can be different for everyone and it is always good to learn more . By refining the subject you are searching for you can get the information faster

ok i agree as well that its all the same but i once had a chewing out because i called magick magic.. and they said i needed to no the difference and i started a post wanting to learn all of magic..it seems you may hit a note on this subject and id like to sit back and watch this ..

and do you also no that the thread was closed do to that..

Magik has set partitions for a reason...Even though all magik is energy constructed by the universe for us. As these energies are infinite and for free use by us.

The category sets are simply described as focal points. It is not the fact that you wish to learn magik by any name or any means as in essence, all magik is gray. Not black nor white, nor voodoo, nor witchcraft, blah blah blah.

But to put a name to the way you use the energies called magik is to focus more on your desires. It gives you a conduit to which you may choose which to use what for. Such as moon magik, you may use moon magik in the day time, but you will not gain the correct conjunction of energy as the moons polarity is way differant than the suns.

I think you get the jist as to why the magik is categorized into partitions. It is all in the focus to achieve as well as certain energies are more apparent when using certain means to conduct what you need.

Hope this helps.

well Soulshroude im defently learning it step at a time and thanks once again for your opinion it sure helps me..

magic is magic but it is all about how you use it

I believe magic is VERY real and that it along with ALL things are interconnected. Seperating it all out is unnecessary in the grand scheme of things really.

Well from the time that i could walk and when my grandmother started to teach me all about magic & magick was that there are 2 different types of magic a magicans magic and a witches magick because we do not put on a show for the whole world to see that is what magians do we do our magick in secret so i do say with everything in me yes there are 2 very different types of that very word...and this is the way i was taught many years ago....

Your intent is what classifies your magick, not your spelling of the word or any label you might add to it. Whatever time of day/night, signs, Deities, tools, etc. you find work for you also classify your workings. It's not the type of magick that's important but the individual preferences of the practitioner.

magick is very real and should be treated with respect.

What it comes down to is this.
Whether one calls it science,majick,magic,dark,light,day,night..whatever,it all refers to the same forces at work.How we employ these forces,thats our biz,If it takes a candle or a pinch of salt for one to access or manipulate said energies,well,then thats just what it takes for that individual,or group orf individuals.If one finds it easier at a certain time of day,ok,fine.If one needs to catagorize it to help understand and put it into perspective,or explain?Well,so what.
It does not change what it is.

I perfer magick at night because I feel better. I think there are different types of energy that affect different people in other ways and that is where people get it wrong. Magick is magick but the heart and mind of the user is what affects it's use.

(I'm a very bad speller so don't feel bad. ;D)

I think magic is magic no matter how you choose or when you chose to practice it.

Magick is the energy in everything. The classification that people tend to use only serve as a way to inform others as to the nature in which they were able to tap into Magick. But I too feel that too many try to raise on methode above the other far too offten. And you are right. People need to realize that the Magick is all the same.

Then again, there is the type of magic I do, Parlor Magic and Close-up magic AKA sleight of hand. Its not remotely the same thing. Although some practice this and claim it is something more than it is.

Houdini was infamous for exposing these types. ;)

No harm intended. I'm just trying to make a point and have a little fun at the same time.

♠ JS ♠

In society, everything has to be labeled something or other, people, sexual orientation, magic and it's users, etc. Nothing can simply just BE what it is.

Magik at day or night which part of the moon all depends on the spell being cast and the type of magik . I do belive that the energy used for all of it is about the same but it is all in how its used

I personally haven't witnessed someone practicing magic or witchcraft however I will not discount it. There are far to many things in this day and age that are unexplained, there are forces and energies that I can feel and I am not involved with it. I believe in the ancient medicines and techniques of the chinese. I use natural healing remedies for sickness. Whether you can actually put a spell on someone that I dont know. But the power of will and belief is strong within oneself. That is NOT a crock or an illusion. IMO only

I believe that magic and witchcraft are one in the same and that it comes from the devil. Personal opinion, no one get mad at me

Just because you believe such things doesn't make them what they are.

You can believe the grass to be blue and the sky to be green in your world. Its alright.

Then to hold the views you do on your profile, is to go against the holy church, so whats it matter if its of the devil or not, your in the same boat as the rest of us.

magick does exist and does work, how it is used is the responcilbility of the user.

Magick is having the ability to turn or change the natural energies in the earth. Having said that generic statement, I think 90% of witchcraft is based on natural healing and having an understanding of the lunar and solar cycles and using them.

The other 10%, well, you just have to believe in the fairy folk to make that leap.

I believe in all types of magick. Parlor tricks, ocult, Pagan, and all those special types of magic like love.

hun there are different types of magic..that is why there are different threads.

I think that all magic comes from the same energy . But the way we use it is different . The method of invoking the magic is whats different

well I kind of disagree yes magic is magic but the way I see it is there are more harmful types and there are more helpful types, but I don't think there are like white/black magic.

duh sorry for got to answear the last part if you have not gathered from the first post yes I do believe in magic and have seen it work first hand.

True but look at the power we have to heal now . The same technology can be used to really harm people . Look at radiation treatments . Are we not taught in school that radiation will kill you ?

well if you misuse anything it can be harmful, I see the point you are making the energy is the same no matter what spell/ritual you are doing, you are right it is only the way you go about focusing the energy that is diffrent. that is why there are many difrent ways to cast the same spell.

The arts are all related, it is most definitely how it is used that counts. And yes, to focus on one aspect of the art vs another is like only coming to VR for the chat box and not for rating pages, it is not the whole picture, so I would encourage anyone wanting to study the arts to not limit themselves to one study only.

I agree that magick is magick but I don't see the harm of classifying them myself. There's people that are only good with magick that mainly uses candles so why not call it candle magick. It's not hurting anybody by classifying down to what you mainly use in your magicks.

I think the point is being missed, when you classify magick all you are doing is looking for one kind or just a specific kind to use nothing more. This stuff about needing to know the basics is true but where are they going to find it if they don’t start somewhere. And then again how is to say what is right or wrong for each person, its nothing more the faith in the magick that makes it real for most people. So how cares what they call it. I personally believe in many kinds of magick, some have names some do not. It’s not up to use to make people use our terms when they have there own. Let people do as they will.

the arts are just that they are a art, no matter how it is written where it is written, its all one thing a art, the sub heading's and pre tenses help people that are not familiar with it, become familiar with it , though certain situations , meaning certain types of magick does have a better effect depending on the way in which it is willed or used.

I believe the energies that are associated with magic are not a crock.Some have made a good effort making it as much however.Many of the energies that have been employed in magic have been prooven to exsist.What I think has happened ,is different groups where talking in their own languages, about the same painting.

the only magic i beleive in is romantical magic...all other magic is just tricks...except chris angle he is a god

i agree that it's the user that makes magick either good or bad, but I also do think that you can boost the effects of some forms of magick by planetary times ect. sometimes.

it's all the same.
I also think marketing and trying to sell more books are the reason too. Some people are solitary and are teaching themselves rather than in a Coven. Which you would know that the label or tag does'nt mean much. You are taught the science behind magjik and know the difference.
also as someone pointed out, what if a person is only interested in candle magjik and nothing else.

i dont think magic is real,its all an illusion,there is a trick to all magic

thats my opinion though

I believe magic does exist and it is whatever the user makes of it.

Thank those who answered the question with their opinions and ideas. .

As it was reiterated a few times, I was merely trying to state that it is a misuse and miseducation to label and seperate the importance of all the magics together.

I am sure that magic is real, but somehow it is difficult to discover it, and to master it.

I believe this is the reason wich is supporting the scepticisms about magic.

I don't think there is a type of magic which is better than any other.

But I still think there's a difference for what type of magic it is practiced,tools used and for what it is used.

Anyway often people of the same idea tend to disagree with each other,like in magic cause even though there might be ''rules'' it is still very individual,therefore subjective.

However some people are missing the point of the thread, he is not asking whether you believe in magic or not,he is asking whether you agree or disagree with him.

And Pinja please,lol stay calm,I know that certain posts can irritate you,(they irritate me too)but please stay calm :)

'Magic' does seem to have a lot of categories, but I think it depends on the user.
If someone is 'bad' he is hardly going to use magic for good etc. So to them there is no 'good' or white magic - it's just magic, and this works for all scenarios.

But I believe the categories are done this way for simplicity.

I have practiced magic for many years and I think what others are trying to express through the different threads are the various ways in which magic can be used. When and how to use certain incantations and what not.. not necessarily to classify but to aid others in their learning. Or even perhaps to learn of different styles or thoughts on any one particular part of magic use. There are many forms in which another might wish to use spells.. or rituals.. it is merely how an individual might use them or when.

magic does indeed exist. i have seen it work, i have done it myself. i believe that everyone has at least a little (sometimes alot) of magic in them. it's all around us. there is no life without death, there is no black without white, there is no god without a devil, you get my point. i think people put magic into specific groups so that if they are talking about something magical in specific (ex. witches, miracles, candle magic, divination, scrying, ect.) there is less confusion. but i agree with you, magic isent classified into cliques of itself, magic is one. its about togetherness, and respecting one another. just as the lord and the lady have taught us. thats just my opinion though. (excuse my bad spelling).

ladygoddessaries~
you said it so much better than me...

yes it is indeed about the persons perception of what magic they think they are doing

i also believe that magic is magic but it is all about how you use it

Magick has never really wored for me. Maybe I'm not doing it correctly... I don't think it's right to segregate them into light and dark blah blah. You can't have the moon without the sun. You can't have day without shadows. It just doesn't work that way.

I believe that there is magic in the world just not the same kind as other people think

That's a good point. Maigck is real. I believe Magick is energy, period. It is called magick when it is directed tward a certain goal. It is all in the intent of the magick user in the magicks intent.

Magic is real when people believe in it.

Magick maybe the generic title used however there are lots of specific areas that are more defined under that which people will specialize in. For example take 'law" for instance no one will practice all venues of law... or medicine for that matter.... it's the same principle with magick too. IMO ..

I believe magic is magic as well but there are good and bad people that use it for their own reasons

I'm glad to see that there are some of the same ideas on magick. =] No one likes to be alone...even in opinions. There are some really good ideas here.

i think magic is real it all depends on the person who is trying to wield it.

Yes the magic is neutral… how you get to that point is up to you.
Focus and intent cause and reaction.
What you label yourself is up to you….

I'm a little confused by this thread. Are you asking if I believe magic is real?or do I believe there are different forms of magic?

Darklady.. yes, both.. .re-read the initial post that starts the thread

All magic is real no matter how you classify it.

People add titles to things to try to make it special or their own, but all magic is just magic. Good, bad, or indifferent.

magic works, if you have faith.. just as any type of belief

I believe one needs to be very openminded and with out any ego, in order to discover the world of magic, and use it in a functional way.

We living in chaos,everything is chaos,it is WE decide it is good or evil in magick.We living in clock but we are not living in magick,some do but that is each one of choice.I am living in magick because it is fun.It is up to each individuals.This is just my opinion.

i have said this before magic like a gun it all depends on whos holding it

Magic is neatral until Humans screw it up

yo i've never heard of sun or night magic, so i'm assuming that's a crock of shit because i used to be a major wiccan back in the day.
there's only 5 types of magic.
+White- healing
+Red- love/sex
+Green- money
+Purple- Power
+Black- Evil

XTCraver,

You seem to speak with some authority in your definitive statement there. Would you be kind enough to provide some supporting information as to why this is the case please?

Thank you.

i still believe in magic, still after reading this.

Because i've never heard of any form of that kind of magic. i've studies all sorts of spells and hoodoo from a very knowledgeable witch a while back and those were the only forms she tought me of. which all seemed to word.
i can see how spells may work with those aspects, but i don't think there's such thing as actual moon spells or something like that.

ThePinja, I started reading you thread and the first thing I said is "WOW, this sounds like one of our rants on this"

LOL

Any ways yes I am with you ... Magic is Magic people can break it down split it up call it good or evil all the want.. The time of day or night means nothing.. Nor do any of the other silly things people try to use to break it up in to different category's. The only things that make it "Good" or "Evil" is the intention behind the casting its self.

People always like to make more of things then they are.. The like to title things and make them selves look better and feel special.

Let silly people be silly if they wish.. They are the ones that end up looking foolish.

I like that term "major wiccan" is that an official title?

Magic is magic but I don't think its foolish to let people name tag magic into different parts. To each their own, its not hurting anybody.

"Magic is a convenient word for a whole collection of techniques, all of which include the mind. In this case, we might conceive of these techniques as including the mobilization of confidence, will, and emotion brought about buy the recognition of necessity; the use of imaginative faculties, particularly the ability to visualize, in order to begin to understand how other beings function in nature so we can use this knowledge to achieve necessary ends."

(Drawing Down The Moon- Margot Adler)

i agree with her

I agree with my friend theunknown. there is a difference between them i believe

gymnast -

Nooooo, really?

I do believe that it is all somewhat alike. But different forms of magic apply to different cultures. Example, Wicca and hoodoo both are magic practices, but very different. No, i don't believe magic is a crock and never have. I have to admit I use it myself

Clasifying magic is not bad at all... I do believe that magic is one .. and it all depends of the purpose that the practitioner is using it:)

I personally don't believe it's a crock as you say, I pratice magicks and have interesting results. It's all in what you choose to believe and practice.everyone has their own path to travel on.

I think it helps people understand. Yes, all magic comes from the one source, but then so does paper. Yet we have newspaper, toilet paper, printer paper...

Classifying something simply defines it for a particular use; no harm in that.

I agree that magic is magic, and there's not really "types"- and people who use it should certainly understand that...However, I think most people just lack a better term, so they just classify it however they can.

I agree with you here. Magic is the same no matter what kind of devices that you are using to perform the magic.

After being into it when I was younger and with my spiritual beliefs, I believe that magic is a crock. I mean, whether you wish it or not to happen, if the universe has it in it's plan, then it will or won't happen. That's really all there is to it?

What, you think YOU have the power to change lives and control events and people? Come on. That is pretty egotistical. There are much bigger forces working here.

I used to believe that spells and all that worked, even fooled myself into thinking I had power too in that capacity to do things, change things, or even cause harm if I wanted. But I realized that people that say they are into witchcraft, etc. are saying it so that others will fear them and leave them alone. The "witches" say it because they don't have the balls to stand up for themselves otherwise, so they scare people into leaving them alone by claiming they have powers or skills that could kill or maim their enemies. And if they are honest about it and looked inside, they would see this is true. It was for me. I had a really hard time standing up for myself and people talked about me being a witch or women would be jealous of me and talk about me. But because they thought I was a witch (because I wore black), they left me alone. Intimidation, not magic.

Now, I am a Reiki Master. That means that I take the energy that is all around us, everywhere, and channel it through me to others to heal. But the energy cannot be used for bad, and it's all in your intent towards others of whether it will work on the person or not. BECAUSE, we all have spirit guides that watch over us and protect us and guide us. They have the choice to allow or not that energy into us.

Changes things a bit, doesn't it? Different light on it.

I believe magic is real ever since Mindfreak

I love magic i know some but would love to learn more
I have always been interested in magic
I find it so interesting and personal

i belive it to be real i have seen it done before

No I do not think that it is a crock... Each has their own opinion but to state that those of us that call ourselves witchs to hold fear over others because we don't have balls. That is a bunch of BS. You say that you are a Reiki Master, well then as you stated you use the energy to heal. magic breaks down to nergy so how can it all be a crock.That sounds pretty hypocritical.

i belive in magic as well.... my spells have worked before....

I truly believe magic works and exists.

Why is that, Undervampsgaze?

Anyway, in my opinion, I believe most magic[k] is a crock. The exception is natural magick [e.g. birth, love, et cetera].

And also need to wonder your views more explained, danifilth?

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