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LovesEternalDeath
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This question has two parts.

First, do you believe that there are undead vampires who are immortal? If yes, then please give a reason why.

Two, If they do exist, would you want to be turned, to be like them and never die, even if it meant that you had to consume blood (not just psychic energy) to survive?

My answers are as follows:

1) I kind of sit on the fence on this issue. I believe it is possible for all things that have no proof in either direction to exist. It seems to me that there are certain things (like the number of unexplained missing persons cases) that could lead you to believe that there are things out there that DO exist, and we just don't know about...and yet...there's no proof...

2) I've spent a lot of time thinking about this, and I've come to the conclusion that if approached by an undead vampire w/ the offer of turning me, I would take it. I have this deep seated fear of dying, so I think I would embrace the oppurtunity to live forever, even if it meant I had to spend the rest of my days satiating a need for blood.

So there you go, my questions and answers. :)




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I guess with that reasoning there could be immortal undead vampires. I would think they would be rather nasty as dead things tend to rot..
I don't believe this to be the case as those types of vamps well they to me are make believe, Hollywood movie monsters even if the appeal to be like one is enticing still well wouldnt want to go on for ever in that manner all my friends and love ones gone it be very sad existance...
Again though I am open to possibilities of all things because there is much more in the world then I can precieve...



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1.no
tho I won't entirely discount possibility, it's in the real of exceptionally unlikely
2. I might, as long as there were a way to die if it became too much to bear



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1. Nope. Not for a second. Nothing, nothing can keep itself so secret that it doesn't become exposed eventually. And I have never received a SHRED of evidence otherwise. Many bullshit DSW's (See my journal!), sure, but never a real vampire.

2. Hell no! Watching everything I know and love die, watching myself become more and more of a static, hidebound creature, knowing that I will get to see everything I do crumble to dust and be forgotton? HAH! Not on yer LIFE!



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23:43:28 Dec 02 2006
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1.) I don't believe a physicaly body can remain active forever, but I do believe that spirits never die, and can host a physical bodie

2.) If they did exist, since I'm already used to drinking blood yeah I wouldn't mind being one of them and living forever. But of course, if you think about it, if one lives forever they are considered immortal, but then why does someone who is immortal need to drink blood? What happens if they don't drink blood? Do they die? But if they die were they ever truely immortal in the first place?



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LovesEternalDeath
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BloodyVampireRose -

You pose a good question. Unfortunately, there aren't a whole lot of undead vampires running around talking about what happens if they don't drink blood. lol I'm glad you brought up that point though, kinda makes you think...



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First, do you believe that there are undead vampires who are immortal? If yes, then please give a reason why.

A: No, its just a way of thinking for living or being, as for giving the gift dont think its possible. Why dont I think they exist??? HUm....cause its illogical and virtually, physicly,biologicly or even if we imagine it, feeding like they woiuld need to no more humans would exist, therefore imposssible

Two, If they do exist, would you want to be turned, to be like them and never die, even if it meant that you had to consume blood (not just psychic energy) to survive?

A: I would yes and even sumbit to their every request just to be gifted with that possibilitie



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Well to the first question I have a hard time with the thought of living forever. I dont think a body could. I did like the idea I heard about a spirit living forever and using a host body. This I can wrap my mind around.

The second question I have to say no thank you too. I know some feal it would be great to live forever but I am one who declines the invite. When its my time its my time. I dont want to see my loved ones die again and again and again.



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ok, im gona say no, i dont think they exist, simply because with all of the technology we have and history we have recorded i believe we would have found a DEFINATE trace of them.
would i want to be one? well, its the promise of quick power that attracts me to movie vampires, but, there are a lot of things i like to do in the sun... and any power quickly gained is quickly lost. if i could go out in the sun... i would say yes, but the thought of never being able to play a sport is a little to much for me... anyone up for some nighttime soccer :D as for drinking blood to survive, well, if you didnt like taking it from humans, could you not take it from animals?



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1) No way.

2) I believe I would, yes.



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1. I would have to say no..I don't think that they exist. If they ever did, then that was long ago & I don't believe there are any left still roaming the earth. Yet still there is a small part of me that says I guess it still could be possible.

2. Again on this one, I would have to say no. Even by being immortal things could still affect you. Like the sun, ect. Which this makes me wonder that even though you were immortal, could you not get sick & still feel the effects of all the diseases we have around. Maybe you wouldn't die, but live the rest of your life sick & miserable. I don't think I would want to for many different reason. I'm a reclusive person. I would not want to keep losing friends with time & having to make new ones. I wouldn't want to out live the few special ones that I let close.



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Jiovonni
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I do not believe that the undead are real although I think it would great if they did.
Yes I would except the eternal embrace because those I love could then be offered it.........



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1. No. I don't believe real vampires as in the I drink blood to stay alive ever have exsisted. There have been evidence of some people in ancient times living for many many years but a body can not continue to regenrate forever.

2. No. The thought of living forever sounds terrible. I may not look foward to my loved ones passing away but I do not fear my own end.



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1) no...not because there isn't any evidence of such beings, but because I don't believe ANYTHING is forever.
2) also no. I'm not afraid of dying. I do hope that when my time comes it's quick and it doesn't cause my family to much hardship. There would be an allure to immortality if it came with unlimited wealth, beauty, youth etc. etc.. But I still don't believe that I could watch my loved ones die. I get upset enough when one of my pets die.



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I do not believe in the Bram Stoker type of vampire.That they are demons and damned to drink blood every night. I do believe in vampires sang and psi, and I believe our souls are immortal.I have been here many times and hopefully will the one I seek in this life.



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1. No, not without proof but by this same standard I cannot deny the possibility exists.

2. No thank you for the same reasons everyone else has given plus I think it might be interesting to find out what comes next.



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1. I'm kind of inbetween. I find it somewhat hard to believe that a body can last an eternity. I think it was meant to perish at some point. But if someone came up with solid scientific facts proving that they exist, I wouldn't be too surprised. It would definitely explain a couple things!

2. I would not take the offer. It would be hell to sit there, watching the ones I love the most dying off and the world growing more and more unstable.



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1. It is a fantasy of sorts....but for myself I can definately say there are no immortal Vampires in existance. Obviously if there had been they would still be around and where are they now? By now there would be so many and look around there are no signs of this.

2. If a creature like this ever comes to be in this world as I know it, I would actually not want to be around to see. Living forever by means of consuming human blood doesn't appeal to me at all. So I would have to say NO to the bite of immortality.



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I don't believe there are immortals alive and among us.

I would love to be a vampire........ regardless of who lives and dies around me. I think that would be something I could handle.



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Yes I do believe there are vampires out there that live forever, because I believe somethings others cannot.

If I was approched by one I would gladly except the offer, but I would have to think about that a little more before I would give him a stright answer.

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1. i belive that the imortal vampire is alive on our screens and tvs... the movies etc but do i belive they exist in the real life no.

2. if they were real and i was asked to be turned that would be a very hard decision to make to live for ever to see your generation after you grow would be amazing but to watch them die would also be horrible . i really dont know what i would say unless i was face to face with that question.........



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Do the immortal Vampires exist? Probably not! But, on the other hand it has not been shown, by science, that they do not exist. I would point out that there are many areas of this planet that have not been surveyed. There are new discoveries all the time

As for the second question I'm not sure I would want immortality that came as a result of drinking blood



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I believe all things are possible. I would never want to say that something isn't true, especially when I am ignorant of it. I won't presume to know the answers, But I believe that there is an awful lot of unexplained things out there. Some may call them miracles, others call them curses. I callit possible and wouldn't it be amazing if true?



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Yes, I believe in the vampire of myth. I don't believe that it's exactly like Hollywood have us believe though. That's a completely different thread though! lol I'll just simply answer your questions and move on. So, yes, I believe in vampires. Now, would I want to be a vampire? Yes. I wouldn't say no to the opportunity to live for many, many, many years and see the world develop and change. Imagine all the things you could learn if you had a few hundred (or thousand) more years??? That would be simply amazing... I'm not afraid of dying though so I wouldn't want to be a vampire just to escape that. You could die as a vampire too. Nothing lives forever. Again, different thread! lol


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I do not believe in the undead blood sucking vampire. Physically, it's impossible. If the body were dead, fluids would not pump through the body and limbs would be incapable of working. Even if the vampire were to drink blood, it would never enter the circulatory system through digestion. The blood would have to be injected and pumped through the blood stream in such quantities that cannot be sustained.

As for me, if given an opportunity to live forever I would not take it. What makes life so wonderful is that it's a blessing and were only given a short amount of time. You would not appreciate anything as much as knowing it will all end some day. There would be no point in having goals and the motivation to accomplish things would soon falter. An extended life would be nice, but I would never live forever even without having to drink blood.



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i'm not sure as of yet if they actually exist. i just am fascinated by the possibility of it. i have seen some things that have swayed me both ways, so as of right now i can honestly say i don't know.
and i would choose to be one only if the man i love was turned as well. i would have no problem leaving everyone and everything else except for him



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"first, do you believe that there are undead vampires who are immortal? If yes, then please give a reason why."

Physical immortality is an impossibility. It is as simple as that. I don't even think this is debatable.



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02:23:01 Dec 04 2006
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Loves Eternal Death-

If only there were some undead vamps running around here to question. and I love the responses coming out of this discussion, great topic



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I have no choice but to say yes I do believe in the existence of the undead, and my reason for so doing is the fact that I belonged to that small company of investigators who entered the tomb at Highgate Cemetery in August 1970 and beheld a real vampire in its undead torpor.

For me, then, it is not so much believing in the undead than knowing of the undead.

Their existence is not dependent on our belief in them, but rather the opposite.

A concise summary of the Highgate Vampire investigation can be found at:

www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/The%20Highgate%20Vampire.htm



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1) I dont believe in immortality, but I DO believe in ghosts, if that counts as the undead.

2) I woould never want to be immortal if I could be turned that way. I think it would be awful to watch everyone that I got attached to die off......



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no

Well if i had to choose to become one or not if they were real i would. Bening a creacher of the night and the taking the blood well that wouldnt bother me.



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Belive me, it would bother you. It would bother you very much.

These "creatures of the night" exist and if one was to drain you of YOUR blood, you might sing a different tune. And, it's worth knowing, that those bitten do not necessarily become vampires in their turn.

Most who are bitten and continue to be drained just die.

You are attempting to glamourise and glorify violence, death and supernatural evil of the worst possible kind. This is unintelligent and self-destructive.



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I do not think that there are vampires that live for ever. But if there was Id like it.



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I dont know if the undead Vampires are out there but if they do and gave me the chance to be turned I'd take it.



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1.

If I assume that an undead vampire is a human-type being then no, i don't think there's an undead immortal vampire out there.

If an undead immortal type vampire isn't a human-type being but is more of an entity (like Satan / God) then its slightly less of a no, simply because whatever arguments can be done for these entities can then be made for vampires.

2

No I wouldn't want to be undead at any cost. It would need some sort of mind change to accept that every so often everyone you know and love would die. You would also need invicibility because immortality would be a pain if you lost a leg in the first century or so



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I do believe that many have looked for immortallity physically by this means but sadly no I do not believe that anyone have reached this physically. I've no doubt that many of us are the descendants of those with spiritual powers that might have sought eternity.



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I don't know if vampires really exist. There isn't enough proof to say that they exist or not.
I don't think I would want to be a vampire though. If you believe in the myths, there would be to many limitations. Not being able to walk in the sunlight and sensitivity to garlic, silver, and all things holy. If all of the myths were all bull, then yea i'd want to be a vampire.



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I find the idea of the walking dead who feast on blood to be no more wildly unbelievable than the idea that someone millennia ago was the son of god and will come back someday to raise me from the dead just to judge me and possibly re-destroy if I don't measure up...or the belief that after I die, I will be reborn in another body like a recycled can.

What I mean to say is that personally, I don't know and while there are some beliefs that I'd prefer to be able to cling to, I've lost hope in receiving proof for any of them. It would be quite maddening for someone of my nature to simply 'believe' without evidence. However, it is also quite maddening to go through life bereft of belief in anything beyond your own existence and the inevitable end of that existence. So while I would gladly trade my humanity for more sand in my hourglass, I'm afraid that I'll likely not get that chance.



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I have personally seen the evidence with my own eyes. Is this proof? Not really. It convinced me and those with me at the time, but that is all. By their very nature such things cannot be proven. Only those who have experienced the supernatural can vouchsafe its existence. Evidence is invariably anecdotal and circumstantial.



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First, do you believe that there are undead vampires who are immortal? If yes, then please give a reason why.
well, just look arround. there are so many "strange ppl running arround... y shouldn´t be some there?


Two, If they do exist, would you want to be turned, to be like them and never die, even if it meant that you had to consume blood (not just psychic energy) to survive?

well it depends on a humans pysic status. if i would be always the one who is surviving his own kids etc or unchanged GF´s .. well ... NO
but in the other case.. HEHEHE YES



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I don't believe there are "undead" or immortals running around, but I do agree that one spirit may "piggy back" in anothers physical being.

As for wanting to be turned if possible. Hell no! Would not want to dwell this earth forever. Looking forward to bigger and better things.



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Actually, I would want to be a vampire, even if those limitations existed. You loose much, but gain even more.



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"There are more things in heavan and earth, Horatio..." - Shakespere

I would never say never regarding the existense of things others say do not exist. I have never seen anything remotely convincing to support the existance of an immortal being housed with in a human body... but who's to say what is and is not possible.

I don't know what my chioce would be if given the offer of eternal life. I am inclined to say I'd choose no.



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the undead may exist.. just probably not in a form we know.. as for living forever, id' DEFINATELY turn it down.. as thailan says 'we have one chance to enjoy mortality'.. so the NOW is more important than any other time
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though ive never found one, i belive that undead vampires may be out there. i think of the process of dying like an illness, and all illnesses can be cured, you would simply need to find a way to stop the body from breaking down due to aging.

if offered, i would jump at the chance, to see the world grow and change over centuries would be the most amazing thing imaginable. im used to losing people, so that part wouldnt bother me, and those i couldnt bare to lose i could prolong with the gift as well, but even then, all things must end.



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Many of you have perked my interest on one point...

One of the main reasons that most people give for not wanting to live forever is the idea of losing the ones you love. Is it that people don't want to share that kind of existance with the ones they love? I myself would offer the option of eternal life to the people I care most for. If they turn it down, then it is their choice to die and therefore, I would not be sad to loose them. Just a small curiosity I picked up in reading responses to my original question. :)



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i believe that its a possibility that undead vampires exist or have existed, and the reason for that would be all the myths of vampires all accross the would with no cultural interactions

and if they were real i would be all for it being changed and then i would find a new meaning of existence



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I do not believe in the immortal part but extended life yes.... and extreme strength and speed as well as agility....definately...



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1)No, everything dies eventually.

2)Not really, too secluded of a lifestyle for my liking


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No, I don't believe there are vampires other than the sense of what we are here...

... and given the chance to be a vampire I think I would take it because after I turned I would offer it to everyone I loved and cared for.



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yes i do belive that there can be actual vampires.

1. mostly because the world is extremly mysterious and if one has ever been out i belive there have been cover-ups tp stop people from knowing. history as we know it is mostly based on legend. i bet that half the history we know and are tuaght is all bull made up by dumb people. "when legend becomes fact, print the legend" thats what history is.

2. if i ever had the chance to be a vampire i would take it. i would love to live as a creature of the night drinking blood off of beautiful victims. its not because of a fear of death its more of the exciement of life. and life after death



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hmm.. the thought of losing people never really crossed my mind.. i wonder what that says about me.. i referred only to my own mortality.. hmm
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1. Yes i do believe they exist.
Anything is possiable.
2. Yes I would become immotal if i had the chance to ive forever. I dont mind the taste of blood so i woudnt mind that either.

okay I know that all the vampire movies are bullshit. but the other day i watched this movie called Dracula 2000. Which the story line seems possiable. that jesus denied(dracula) death and forgiveness so he became immortal. while he was being choked and the coins fell out of his pocket so he heard that as he was dying and became to dislike sliver. and becasue "jesus" denied him he dislikes everything catholic. And immortality comes with a downside not being able to go into sunlight a punishment. that he was punishing him and denied him. and if you think of it you know during church you drink of his blood "but its actually whine of course" but maybe thats where "dracula" gets from drinking the blood of god children maybe to punish god im not sure. Im sorry i do alot of thinking. To Me The actual undead coud be real. Could exist. And I'd Like opinons Please.
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I believe in recarnation, people who commit to being a vampire yes, not the type that are in the movies for sure. Those that drink blood and enjoy the vampire lore. No i would not want my body to live on, for my spirit inside is more stronger then the flesh and bones of this shell.



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I am a big believer in Vampires But I do not believe in being immortal. In my opinion no one is immortal



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The night of 13 March 1970 witnessed scenes of utter pandemonium as people gathered in large numbers along the steep lane running alongside London's Highgate Cemetery. At 6.00 pm a television programme had confirmed that a vampire contagion was evident in the graveyard, and that a vampire hunt was imminent. Now the crowds multiplied in hopeful anticipation of locating the resting-place of the undead entity. Police were present to control those arriving, but it was an almost impossible task. By 10.00pm an assortment of independent amateur vampire hunters had joined the onlookers. Principal among the freelance brigade was a schoolteacher, fortuitously named Alan Blood, whom Matthew Bunson, as recorded in his The Vampire Encyclopedia (1993), felt was an important player in the unravelling case. Bunson, an American who had no contact with Blood, or indeed anyone else contemporaneous to the events at Highgate Cemetery, relied on yet another American, Jeanne Keyes Youngson of the New York Count Dracula Fan Club aka Vampire Empire who, in turn, was dependant on such as Allan Farrow.

Youngson’s influence on Bunson initiated the error in his and thereby subsequent accounts. The primary source, however, is the London Evening News, 14 March 1970, front page report “Mr Blood Hunts Cemetery Vampire.” The brief quotes attributed to Blood in this sensationalist report are notably rebutted by Blood himself in a longer interview given to the Hampstead & Highgate Express, 20 March 1970. This latter interview, reproduced in Seán Manchester’s account about the case, has been totally ignored by commentators such as Bunson who seem to have scant regard for the facts in public archives.

An authentic account of Alan Blood’s part in the affair is given in Seán Manchester’s The Highgate Vampire (pages 77-79) from which the following is revealed: “By 10.00pm [on the night of 13 March 1970] the hundreds of onlookers were to include several freelance vampire hunters, including a history teacher, Alan Blood, who had journeyed from Billericay to seek out the undead being.” Blood had seen a report on television some hours earlier that evening and immediately set off for Highgate. On his arrival in Highgate Village, he entered the Prince of Wales pub on the High Street, whereupon he instantly recognised an unkempt individual who had been one of several interviewed by Sandra Harris as alleged witnesses of the vampire spectre. However, Seán Manchester, featured on the same programme as leading the investigation, was nowhere to be seen because he was already inside the cemetery with his research team. Blood was obliged to settle for Allan Farrow quaffing pints of ale in the Prince of Wales pub. He listened to claims of “a seven foot tall vampire that hovered by the cemetery gate,” and wanted to be shown exactly where this occurred. Farrow declined, and continued drinking his ale.

Blood left the pub and joined a steadily growing crowd of several hundred people in Swains Lane. When the pub eventually closed, Farrow allegedly also joined the throng outside the cemetery’s North Gate in the lane, but, like Blood, made no attempt to enter.

It was while in Swains Lane that, wearing a Russian-style hat with his beard, Blood was noticed by an Evening News photographer and a reporter. They spoke to Blood, and also to a 27-year-old Hampstead resident, Anthony Robinson, who had ventured to the cemetery gate “after hearing of the torchlight hunt.” Robinson is alleged to have told the reporter: “I walked past the place and heard a high-pitched noise, then I saw something grey moving slowly across the road. It terrified me. First time I couldn’t make it out, it looked eerie. I’ve never believed in anything like this, but now I’m sure there is something evil lurking in Highgate.” Yet it was Blood, who saw and did nothing, whose photograph was to appear on the front page of next day’s Evening News. He is described at the head of the report as “a vampire expert named Mr Blood who journeyed forty miles to investigate the legend of an ‘undead Satan-like being’ said to lurk in the area.” Yet Alan Blood had not claimed to be a “vampire expert,” and would readily confirm in a more soberly conducted interview with the Hampstead & Highgate Express, that he was “by no means an expert on vampires.”

None of which would stop American author Matthew Bunson publishing some twenty-three years later: “The focus of the media attention turned to [Allan Farrow] and Alan Blood, vampire experts who led the search. Both were convinced that a vampire was sleeping in one of the vaults and were determined to find it and kill it. While blamed for the desecration of tombs and arrested for trespass, Farrow [Farrow] was acquitted on the grounds that the cemetery was open to the public. As is typical of such incidents, stories based on rumour and on unconfirmed sightings soon spread, and the tabloids and newspapers ran exploitative reports. No vampire was ever publicly discovered.” (The Vampire Encyclopedia, page 121).

Apart from his reference to press exploitation, not a single statement in Bunson’s entry for “The Highgate Vampire” is accurate. The focus of the media did not turn to the amateur vampire hunter and Alan Blood. The latter, after 13 March 1970, completely disappeared off the scene. Farrow gained an appetite for attention-seeking, becoming a convert to a malefic form of pseudo-occultism by the end of that year, by which time he had repudiated the “vampire theory,” as he would later describe it. But, save his original claim in 1970 (in the form a letter to his local newspaper), he was not a “focus” with regard to the investigation which promptly dismissed his allegations of sightings as unsafe and his behaviour unwise. Blood never stated that he was “determined to find and kill” the vampire. Farrow did, of course, but later revoked this ambition. Nor was Farrow arrested for “trespass” ~ he was, in fact, arrested for being in an enclosed area for an unlawful purpose. And he was not merely “blamed for the desecration of tombs” in Highgate Cemetery. He was charged and found guilty of malicious damage to tombs following the longest “witchcraft” trial in two hundred years at London’s Central Criminal Court. He was to receive a prison sentence of almost five years. Many sightings of the Highgate Vampire were, indeed, confirmed, documented, and recorded.

Seán Manchester would add in The Vampire Hunter’s Handbook (pages 66-67): “Interestingly, Jeanne Youngson’s name crops up in Bunson’s acknowledgements as having assisted with this book [The Vampire Encyclopedia]. Why does that come as no surprise? Peter Hough follows in Bunson’s errant footsteps in Supernatural Britain (1995) and repeats the misinformation that [Allan Farrow] ‘teamed up’ with Alan Blood (something neither ever claimed) whilst ignoring the actual investigation. When contacted through their respective publishers, neither deigned to reply. Their publishers also refused to answer any correspondence on the matter.” This refusal to address serious error placed on record is a matter of deep concern.

Bunson and Hough are followed by the journalist Tom Slemen whose latter-day paperback Strange But True (1998) claimed that “Alan Blood organized a mass vampire hunt that would take place on Friday 13 March, 1970. Mr Blood was interviewed on television. … The schoolteacher’s plan was to wait until dawn, when the first rays of the rising sun would force the vampire to return to his subterranean den in the catacombs, then he would kill the Satanic creature in the time-honoured tradition; by driving a wooden stake through its heart. … In an orgy of desecration [the crowd] had exhumed the remains of a woman from a tomb, stolen lead from coffins, and defaced sepulchres with mindless graffiti.”

None of which is true. Blood did not “organize a mass vampire hunt.” Indeed, Blood organised nothing. He was an interested onlooker. It was not the “schoolteacher’s plan to wait until dawn.” This was the published plan of Farrow. There was no “orgy of desecration” etc. No damage whatsoever occurred on the night of 13 March 1970. What Slemen is probably alluding to is an entirely different incident that took place five months later, as recorded on the front page of the Hampstead & Highgate Express, 7 August 1970, where the discovery of the headless body of a female and signs of a satanic ceremony were made by two fifteen-year-old schoolgirls as they walked through the graveyard on a sunny August afternoon. Police viewed it to be the work of Satanists and investigated it as such. Some weeks later Farrow was arrested prowling around the graveyard at night.

"Armed with a wooden stake and a crucifix Allan Farrow prowled among the tombstones of a graveyard. He was hunting the vampire of Highgate Cemetery. And 24-year-old Farrow told a court yesterday: 'My intention was to search out the supernatural being and destroy it by plunging the stake in its heart.' Farrow pleaded guilty at Clerkenwell, London, to entering St Michael's Churchyard, Highgate Cemetery, for unlawful purposes. Farrow told police he had just moved to London when he heard people talking about the vampire of Highgate Cemetery. In a statement he said that he heard the vampire rises out of a grave and wanders about the cemetery on the look-out for human beings on whose blood it thrives. Police keeping watch for followers of a black magic cult arrested him. He was remanded in custody for reports. Last night Mr Seán Manchester, leader of the British Occult Society, said: 'I am convinced that a vampire exists in Highgate Cemetery. Local residents and passers-by have reported seeing a ghost-like figure of massive proportions near the north gate'." (Daily Express, 19 August 1970)

These are the known and recorded facts about the then 25-year-old schoolteacher Alan Blood who, on 13 March 1970 travelled from Billericay to Highgate in London, having seen a report on television earlier that evening, to satisfy his curiosity. He was not a vampirologist, nor ever claimed to be. He was one of hundreds who had turned up to see what was going on. After talking to the press he was not heard of again in this context. Yet his name entered a legend of its own.

The full story of the case can be read in Seán Manchester’s bestselling book, a reliable account by a first-hand witness, participant and investigative researcher.

Click on the link below for more details:

http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Highgate%20Vampire%20Book.htm



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1.There are immortals.Vampires? Well that's a matter of opinion and a lack for more thorough words to describe someone.

2.No comment ;)=



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no i dont think there are,

but if it was possible i would love to know how to be one that is immortal



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1. I don't think that such being exist...but yet, on the other hand, I have never met one... so, who knows...
2. If they exist, it would be an interesting change to live "forever"...



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Honestly I don't think there are!



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I do not beleive that there are undead. But i do believe that there are true vampires among us

And yes i would be turned. Even if it meant that i had to consume blood to survive.



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1. Yes, but not in the way it is procived. I beleive that a vampire spirit still remains after the body falls and that soul finds another host.

2. No. I would never wish to face the life of imortality because what good is it to be forever where the ones you love are not the same.



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1: No for I believe there is always a way to kill someone or something so no one is truely immortal. But for vampires being out there yes.

2: Yes and as one has already said before only if there is a possible way for me to die incase i couldn't handle the life anymore of watching those I know die before me.



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I agree with your answer to the first question. I would not like to become one however. I can see no real happiness to result from living "forever" . Not to mention I'm too curious about the afterlife thing.



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1.) no 2.) yes I would...



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1. Of course. If you can believe in ghosts, etc. why is it so hard to believe that there are true-blue vampires out there in the world?
2. Undoubtably, yes. Not because I fear death, but because I am curious by nature.



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1.I don't believe that "Undead Vampires". I do beleive in the modern day vampires, because I am one. In my specific believe I do think that drinking the blood helps in a lenghtened life.
2.I would definitely take the offer of the undead vampires, but its not because I’m afraid of dying. In order to become the undead you have to die first. I would want to so I could spend an eternity with my wife.



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i do not think that there are creature that must have blood to survive. Obviously some animals do. i do believe there are vampires who feed. I'm one of them. Undead or immortal I'm not.



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I do believe there are a lot of things out there that we have not found yet and that there COULD be immortal vamps but probably not. BUT if there were than yes I would love to be turned and live my life at night and off of the blood and suffering of others..... ( messed up huh?)



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undead means alive...*looks around room* yes I believe

and yes to #2 I love the taste of blood



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1. Throughout my experiences with the paranormal I've come to the conclusion that yes, the unexplainable can exist, immortal vampires can exist.

2. Yes I would take up the offer, but wait until I am in my prime of life before I am turned, once dead you cannot proceed to grow, as you all know. So yes, I would. Even if it meant consuming the blood of others, hey, I'd get a kick out of killing somone, and the blood is just a bonus.



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1. i beleve it is possible, but very unlikly.

2. no i would not like to be emortal. ive lived through enough.



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Yes, I myself, do believe that somewhere there are immortal vampires in existence who occasionally journey among us. For the second part, I would not hesitate at accepting his offer of immortallity and all that comes with it.



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1) I don't think so.

2) I wouldn't want to be turned that would make existence meaningless. Why would you want to live forever? You would just have to deal with turmoil after turmoil. Always having to bury your loved ones and having to leech off of others. No thanks!



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Part 1: As of right now I do not think that there are immortal vampires walking around. I could believe a vampire's spirit continuing to exist after death either in a different body or as spirit attacking other people's aura.

Part 2: Yes I would because I would want to experience the future. I am a former military brat so I am used to leaving behind everything that I know. I would also feel more free to drink blood because I couldn't die. So if I got caught and condemned as a murder it would not the end.



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Q.) do i believe that the undead exist?

A.) maybe a long long time ago, but not now.

Q.) if they did would you want to be one?

A.) yes i would. i would end up changing the people (and pets) that i love so that i wouldn't have to walk alone for the rest of eternity though. thats just if the undead really existed anymore, which they don't. *shrugs* at least i've never came across such a being. just living vamps.



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1.) Yes, I do believe that there are immortals, maybe not among us right now they may isolate themselves more but I do believe that they exist...Even if they do walk among us I believe that since they've been around so long that they can have a way of fitting in or doing something as to not bring suspicion (spelling ??) or negative attention to themselves

2.) I really am not sure...If the opportunity did arise I would need to think about this before making my decision...I mean it's not something that is short term....I would probably pick yes but also I would go all possibilities


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Do you believe that there are undead vampires who are immortal? If yes, then please give a reason why.
I feel that the term "undead" is way overused. We don't call people, who were falsely diagnosed as dead only to later waking up during their eulogy, as being undead, do we? You're either alive or you're dead.

Now that I have that out of the way, I would say that if vampires existed in a real sense, and if they were "immortal", I would believe that they do age, albeit very slowly. Everything must age, it is one of nature's most basic laws. From the human perspective, a vampire is immortal, but if taken from a vampiric perspective, they are merely perpetual.

Two, If they do exist, would you want to be turned, to be like them and never die, even if it meant that you had to consume blood (not just psychic energy) to survive?
The idea of living perpetually is really compelling at it is. However before one takes the "plunge", one must think of everything that comes with having a greatly lengthened lifespan — both good aspects and bad.

For example, good aspects would be things like, long lifespan, heightened physical strength, witnessing things which you normally couldn't have if you lives a shorter life (cool new inventions), etc.. On the negative side one would see an increase in cravings for blood or sustainance, or perhaps outliving all of your family and countless friends. Considering your lengthened lifespan, you would have to learn to deal with all your friends dying — hundreds, perhaps thousands of them. If you consider how much you grieve when a family member dies, you can imaging how it would be to have everyone you ever befriended/loved die on you. One would have to detach oneself emotionally from people. This raises more questions than it answers, so all in all, I believe I would choose to be turned, for I am the curious type, and I would for sure learn to live with the negative bits. :)


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1) Yes. I believe it's possible to live forever. There ARE reasons why people and anything in general die and it's because of outside forces. (There are some scientific studies that pose the question of how a human could live forever and if you live exactly like that, it is entirely possible for you to do so, but it's nearly impossible to follow and nobody has tried it long enough that it has worked.)
Vampires live outside of this idea, because they do not need to strive for it, it is simply given. Their bodies are not 'dead', they are simply suspended like one would be if they were frozen. It does not age, nor does it change in any way (except become more perfect). The soul is trapped within its being and that is what keeps it alive - and blood too, for energy, you know :)
2) Yes. I want to know of the future. I want to be part of it. I want to see how far technology will go. I want to see man's downfall (if ever it happens, good things DO end). I want to see a world where passage to other planets is as common as hopping on a commuter. Drinking blood would be worth it. It would be no different than eating what humans do already. I don't see what all the fuss is about it. Humans eat meat, even RARE meat is acceptable. Why is blood any different, just because meat doesn't go along with it?



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I dont really know what to believe and what not to, there are some many diffrent angles and verisons and many supported reasonings so IM totally lost on this subject.



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In response to the first portion of your question I do believe that there is some form of undead vampire that exists. My theory behind this is that there are too many coincidences in stories from one country and continent that give credit to this. If it is possible to believe in Heaven and Hell, God and Lucifer, etc. why is it not possible to believe that vampires exist.

In response to the second portion of your question I would definitely say that I would have to accept the offer of being turned. Imagine how much you could learn and the changes that you would see. Think about the wealth that you could acrue and the lifestyle that you would be able to have after a long enough period. These are very nice incentives. Additionally, it is possible to feed off of blood without actually killing someone (IE - the bloodbank idea on Blade Trinity).



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yes i believe tha tthe yare real... thers is too much detail on them not to. and they have professors doing classes on the m at colleges .. ..
as far as becoming one. i would jump at the chance... t obe free from sickness and disease..mm. yes i would gladly drink from others...



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I belive there are immortal vampires, for just because some people dont see doesnt mean something doesnt exist, and I would love to be one, to be honest I am fond of the taste of blood, and if its a price to pay for being immortal then were do I sign



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1.) i am not sure, i think there are some things in life that humans just don't need to know.

2.)yes, vampires absolutely fascinate me.



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1. i do believe that there are real vampires out there i mean there isnt any proof to prove me wrong its just a feeling i guess.
2. i would love to be a vampire i would take the offer without a second thought and live the rest of my days sucking every human dry



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10:27:53 Jan 01 2007
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Gawd, some of you people are so blunt and ... really, it's all your opinions and I respect that, but maybe you should check out the thread on being damned.



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Yes I believe that it is a possibility.. Their are ways for them to exist without being found out.

Yes I would do it.



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1) I tend to lean towards the believing Vamps exist.
2)I have spent a long time on the question of would I and the answer is yes for many reasons. Mostly because I love being here on earth and I'm curious as to the advances we as a race make in the 1000 or eaven 10,000 years



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1) What a fun topic, very good idea. :) First off.....The undead....it's hard to say. It really makes me think honestly. Like you said, alot of missing persons cases....things that happen that one cannot explain. The real thing I tend to toy with, is if vampires are the "undead" etc...whats keeping them alive anyways? What brings them back to life, what keeps them alive and young forever? I'm not talking about the blood, I'm talking about what in there bodies, souls, etc...keeps them alive?

2) The thought of watching my loved ones die while I lived on....not a happy one. The idea that I may just end up alone for the rest of eternity, not so bright either. However, I would take it. Theres a sort of freedom in it....so much knowledge to pick up through the years, to watch the evolution and progression of man.....it's tempting.



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No i don't think they exist, and I would not want to be immortal.



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I do not think vampires as undead creatures exist.

However, I have read of examples of Zombies in voodoo rituals as being "undead". The undead in this case being animated, but unable to exercise their own will. The zombie, however, simply passes on to normal death once the effects of the spell (or poison) wear off.

I myself, would not want to be undead and wander the earth forever without escape except by extreme violent means.



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09:27:32 Jan 03 2007
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I still do not believe in the "undead".... everythihng ahs to die eventually...



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14:31:35 Jan 03 2007
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yes and yes it's my dream come true



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darkchyld
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Yes I do believe it is a strong possibilty and absolutely yes i would do it.



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1) Yes

2) No

The vampire of history is a contradiction in itself, an oxymoron, a non sequitur, or as the French would say in that inimitable and inexplicable term je ne sais quoi, meaning literally it (the subject matter) can not be described or conveyed in an easily understandale manner. There is no apparent reason for the vampire's existence. One must remember that although the vampire is supernatural and is from the ranks of the fallen angels it is simultaneously a biological entity which is capable of destruction by only a couple of methods. It is this combination of physical biological entity copuled with the preternatural demonic that makes such a contradiction here.

Sure you can use the tern UNDEAD, but what does that mean? If it is alive then why use "undead", what an awkward word to convey a revenant. Yet we don't think of it as alive as living people do not sleep in the daytime hours in coffins buried underground. We also eat real tangible food. And most important of all we are not restricted to drinking blood exlusive of everything else, especially as a specialty diet!

Yet no other term can come close to conveying what a vampire is. Perhaps the vampire's ingestion of blood into the living cadaver is similar to the manner that the vampire bat of Mexico is able to ingest it and obtain nourishment from it. No doubt there is some level of nourishment to be obtained from blood, but most people if they ingest more than a mouthful will vomit it forth! There are proteins and iron to be found in blood and perhaps that is what nourishes the physical vampire and enables the wraith to remain in existance.

But even with the physical and biological aspects of vampirism still withstanding, how does one explain the immediate and rapid deterioration of the corpse once the heart is destroyed? It should normally fall apart and decay as other corpses do, from a few days to several years. Yet it collapses immediately into a pile of dusty bones, why? As Bishop Manchester put it in an interview with the American broadcast celebrities Art Bell and George Noory a few years back it seems that time catches up with the vampiric wraith at the moment of its destruction. It seems to turn into what it always ought to have been, dusty and inarticulated bones.

There is a book out now in America called THE SCIENCE OF VAMPIRES by Katherine Ramsland, Ph.D. She tries to cover the possible reality (an oxymoron for sure) of vampirism from a scientific viewpoint. The immediate problem here and now is that I have only gotten the book just yesterday and have only started to read it (I'm about a sixth of the way through it right now), but it seems that she feels there might be a scientifically explainable reason for the existence of the the undead. She uses the term "preternatural" in relation to the vampire so it seems she at least is open to study the physical aspects of true vampirism. (She mentions psychic vampirism and the Goth and vampiroid subcultures, but she is interested in the true vampire of folklore-history.)

Perhaps merely staking the heart would be sufficient in and of itself, but the problems with vampires is this: as interesting as they may be to us intellectually, the truth remains that THEY ARE INTENSELY EVIL and they subject their victims to a horrifying fear of becoming one of them! No one, at least no one I know of, really wants to be a vampire. The Goth and vampiroid subculture notwithstanding as they are merely immitative of the legendary creatures, not the real thing.

If they were merely like vampire bats who only took a few drops, or like Minnesota's "state bird" the mosquito, they could be tolerated, but they are EVIL and a powerful threat to human existance. They are a form of anti-Christ and must be dealt with severely.

I can understand the reluctance of serious researchers in letting out too much information about the cases of real vampirism they encounter, there may be legal questions that need answering. The police don't care if you staked a real vampire or not, to them it is a person (which we must admit that it was at one time) that was alive and is now slain without the green light of the law.

Anyway, as interesting as vampires are, they must be dealt with using the utmost caution, never forget that they are EVIL and want to spread their evil contagion throughout the earth!



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16:23:43 Jan 03 2007
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I believe in the fact that nothing is unbelievable and I would love to be immortal



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no no way at all. no fossels well if you think they burn in light thats kind of explainable but not for all cases I would think. and also no way man. how could it be so not a single reporting
not one. this is very on the verge I think. but hey as I said im happy for the masquarade.
so why not there exists vampires warewolves
harpies dragons beholders (dont want to meet one of them) and many other foke law. It would be great to actualy chase down were the idea of the vampire came from to be honest. as for being turned. hmmmm I would sure like to fight one that would be cool. martial against immortal sound so cool.
probably use a practice woodern sword rather than a wu blade though. :P



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18:29:02 Jan 03 2007
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if real vampire exist, i don't know, as for if i would want to be one, hell yes.



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20:41:32 Jan 03 2007
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1) yes and i think there are some out there
2) i been fantasized about, them...
with no doubt there are even other things people havent seen, yet.



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