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Looks a bit similar to lens-flare.

Or perhaps a photo of a photo which has a refected light source above it.

Not an orb.... looks more like a flare to me... I could be wrong but I have seen many and they always are more transparent. Like I said, I could be wrong though.

interesting, i would agree that it seems to be present as there appears to be a threat to u.even tho there isnt, perhaps whatever it is did not know this and is protecting u.

Nocturnis: i'm the one holding the knife. I guess it could be protecting Spike, but to be honest i'm thinking it was my twin brother Nathan who was stillborn and still lingers round me (think Quinn/Goblin from Blackwood Farm). Just before this picture was taken Spike was holding the knife to my throat, and this picture was taken while I was demonstration the best way to do it, and Jay thought it would make a funny snap. So possibly Nathan was a bit late in protecting me...

And I doubt it was lens flare as Jay took several pictures in the same position and none of them had any as bright as this one. The others we did capture were dimmer and in different places.

Looks like there is natural light source behind the camera, probably a window. So cloud cover, time of day, other buildings- all could affect the brightness.

Although I can't say for certain that that is not an orb in the photograph I would lean more towards it being something on the lense of the camera that made a reflection when the flash went off. I assume there was a flash since you said it was dark out and there were no lights in the vicinity.

Stabb: it was half ten at night (check the clock in the background), and the wool curtains in the room behind were closed. The overhead light above and slightly behind Jay didn't work. And to reply to your previous post about it being a photo of a photo, it wasn't. It was straight off the camera. If it helps, we could do a diagram of the layout of the flat and where people and lights were...?

Maybe I should have posted this information at first, but you don't think of things like this till someone suggests them...

could be a lense thing... is the orb on the negative, because it also could be froma problem with the chemicals used to develop (if it is not digital)... it could also be the light refracting off of the knife... or as other have said just something with the lense

And NCBandit: there was nothing on the lens of the camera. We know this because other photos were taken before and after this one (one was about one minute before) and this particular anomaly wasn't there. I did mention this in a post above. And there is clearly a light on behind us, but there was nothing on near Jay to cause this 'orb'. I know it seems like i'm just arguing, but I'm just trying to give you the full picture and eliminate some possibilities

You asked for opinions...

Here is mine;

The angle of refraction of the flash light, upon the gloss painted door frame to the left of the picture, caused a reflective glare on the camera lens.

Subsequent pictures were almost certainly taken from a slightly different angle.

If you notice the pic.......the orb is almost overlapping with itself....orbs do not do this. Therefore, it is another anomaly.

*sigh*

99.9% of all photo anomalies, ESPECIALY "orbs" can be explained. One needs a good education on the way light reacts/photography though. The opinion of those uneducated in these matters, don't hold any weight whatsoever. They are just here say opinions, how can you know what it is if you don't understand all the reasons why it could be happening? you simply can't and at the end of the day it is just you trying to find the order in chaos.

I myself have made countless "orb" photos intentionally and people believed they were "authentic"

Humans, all humans look for order in chaos.

i have to agree... there is probably a more plauseable explination.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the supernatural. These spheres are MORE than common. A little spec on your lens could have done it. It's just highly unlikely that the answer is beyond 'natural' explanation.

i still say is a orb sigh i already posted n the begiinng seems my post just up and walked away damit.

Personally, it sounds like you would like it to be more than what it is. Despite the general consensus, you're still holding onto hope that this is a spirit, a soul you would like to be close to you.

Things are what they are, despite what you would like them to be. I don't know much about ghosts and/or photography, but it certainly does not make me raise an eyebrow.

If you want an absolute answer, I'd suggest taking the pictures and negatives to a professional photographer and ask his/her opinion since computers can distort images.

I agree about taking the picture to a professional photographer and have them look at it. It's possible that could be something like a water drop on the lens and when the lens was looked at, you didn't see anything. But, I'm not a professional either. Just another voice posting an opinion...lol.

A piece of dust close to the lens in-line with the flash can create such a mark. If it were more translucent I would think of it as an orb, but this is mostly white, hence my belief in it being some sort of dust in the air. :)

Even translucent anomalies can be accounted for.

One must understand, molecules are like snow flakes, all different, no two the same. A dust molecule and a dirt molecule look completely different, some are even blue.

There are a couple of things it could be ,not saying that it is not a orb . If you have felt strange presences or found cold spots , or unexpanded odors then it may have very well been a orb. It may have been a bug or a dust particle as well . You may want to have a psychic investigate it.. But those pics with orbs are very interesting , and exciting so if you capture more please post them ! We would all love to see them..

It seems like no matter what people weigh in with, you have already made up your minds and believe it to be an entity presence. Not sure what the point of the question is.

For the record, I think it's likely dust or a lens flare.

UpirLikhyj, I think that you should have added more sarcasm there lol.

I agree that orbs are hard to explain, but in this case, I beleive that it could be a ghost given what he has said about feeling presenses

to be an Orb it mush have its own light ...

honestly it looks like something that could've been added in via photoshop. I do believe that orbs exist but they usually aren't opaque(can't see through them) flashes of light. they're a little bit whispy and they aren't perfect circles like this flicker of light is. it's just my opinion but I'm still sorry to burst your um, bubble

Looks like a shine spot to me -- perhaps off the blade?

I tend to agree with lens flare,, or possibly a bad roll of film.

It may seem to people that i have made my mind up on this already but i am taking in every ones opinions and waying them up against my own as for taking the pic and neg to a photographer it would be a little hard as it was taken on a dig cam so that rules out a bad film aswell

I took the photo, and I have to say that the possiblility of 'lens flare' is very low, due to the conditions in the flat, which we have already described. One thing we maybe should have mentioned is that Gav has actually SEEN an apparition in that very spot previously, which was why I was taking photos of the hallway in the first place. Someone said it may be another type of light anomaly, which is basically what we're here to find out. We know its not a lens flare, speck of dust or whatever. We know enough about things like this to deduce that. And whoever it was saying that uneducated persons opinions don't hold any weight, who do you think you are? Are you better than anyone else just because you have been to school and read a few books, or whatever it is you class as an education? For the record, both Gav and myself know a hell of a lot about this type of thing, so surely by your own argument our opinions must hold weight....

Anyway, this is getting off topic. Can we please get back to opinions and not insulting each other??

I didn't see any insults.

You know, even so called "paranormal experts" base the whole "it cant be dust" thing simply based on the fact that "it is a clear night and we saw no dust" this is not a method that is useful, as dust is EVERYWHERE and can be caught by cameras far better than the naked eye and YES they can appear as blurs of light. Photos like this are taken and evaluated all the time and an expert in photography will be able to explain it, 99.9% of the time.

People see what they want to see, whether or not things be based on facts.

not an orb

I've already mentioned that an apparition has been seen in that spot, by 2 or 3 different people. Surely that would give weight to our theory of it being more than a speck of dust.

The fact that we said we know about this kind of stuff should suggest we have already applied Occams Razor to this, or in laymans terms, ruled out all the natural possibilities before turning to a supernatural one. Maybe we should have said that from the beginning.

Brimstoker: surely you could have made your first post on this site a little more elaborate? I hope you're not starting as you mean to go on...

All i'm saying people, is don't completely discount the supernatural. We didn't discount the natural, it just so happens that none of the natural explanations we or any of you so far have come up with have been convincing.

You should immediately pack your belongings and leave. As you pack each of your belongings you should sprinkle holy water on it and say 100 Hail Mary's.

As you finish with each room you should have your parish priest say a blessing. Then as you leave you should nail a cross to the front door. It is also important that the cross has been blessed and sprinkled with holy water.

Do not turn your back as you go downstairs you should be vigilant and have a goodly supply of holy water with you just in case

Do not fear the presence that you felt. unless you feel like you are in danger. if things start flying across the room then get out if it is just a feelinglike someone is there with you then try and co exist

Just one more time... the reason that our "natural" explanations aren't convincing is because you have already made up your minds. You even call it "our opinion" and state that we should consider that you've already seen an entity there, so your pre-formed opinion should hold weight.

It isn't an insult. I respect that you hold an opinion. I simply submit that this thread would have been better named, "Here's our opinion on an orb we photographed. Here's why we believe it's an orb. Please post responses that agree with our own."

The thread is clearly a debate, not a gathering of opinions that you're actually considering, which was its stated purpose. In your defense, I've rather enjoyed the thread anyway, so carry on.

yes it looks like an orb..as for the overlapping comment, i think it looks like it was in motion when caught by cam

well i moved out of the flat the day after the pic was taken but i never felt as if what ever was there would hurt me in any way it just seemed to want me to know it was there

I know that some ghosts like to do that. I guess it makes the homeowner, or flat owner/renter more at ease. Depends on the person mostly.

well i do think what ever it was that was there with me was just trying to show mme that they where there but wer going off the topic a bit as people have sed i do lean towards thinking it is an orb of sorts but i am still willing to hear where others stand on the matter

could very well be an orb.... looks kinda like something could have been on the camera lens as well... not really sure.

I suppose it could be an orb. It may not. For me it's a little hard to tell...

it is hard to tell with out seeing the actual picture it self but i see no reason why it couldn't be one I have seen a few that where very real.

You say you have gone thru all the natural explanations for this like dust light etc....
Well then it could be an Orb I dont discount the possiblity any possiblity.
In the new flat have you taken anymore pictures with the same camera??
See if you can replicate the picture in a new enviroment?

I have seen many a picture that cant be explained by something natural. even had a few happen with me.
Really seems to me that people here that are talking the natural explainations are getting upset by what they see as you wanting to only believe in one thing maybe the mind set they acuse you of they have a touch of themselves.
When all natural reasons are well given and your answers so far as I have seen would relate to yes you have given thought and checked things out but those didnt fit, well you have your answer Orb....

looks pretty weird to me but then again I will agree that it probly can be explained.

It could be dust particles. Dust particles are round and it would explain why they were in different places in the other pictures.

i dont ever rule out anything.... but i do feel that it could very well be a flare or a speck of dust......if it is a dust particle could acount to why it wasnt in the pics before and after that one... dust floats around.......

Mikhail, thats about the most sensible post i've read so far! We were thinking of trying to replicate it in the flat we're in now, as the walls are a similar color, and lighting conditions, layout etc are also similar. Thanks for your excellent post.

It looks like dust to me.

do you have any other pic with you and the orb in it?

My initial thought would be that it's a light abnormality and not an orb. Did you take into account any lights that were behind the camera?

I'd like to see the other pictures that were taken for similatities before I could really cook up any sort of answer.

We do have other pictures but the...whatever they are...aren't as prominent. They could, indeed, be dust particles. The reason I was wondering about this particular one is because i've seen and taken pictures of orbs, dust, bits of stuff on lenses etc, and nothing has ever shown up like this did. I'll sort a kind of collage or something out to show as much as possible of the other pics.

I thought it was interesting that the only picture we got such a strong image in was the one with Gav in it, considering he's a Medium. Significant, or just coincidence?

And there were no lights behind the camera.

I just wish I could have caught the little boy's apparition that's been seen there...now THAT would've been something!

looks like someone from the background threw a tennis ball and it was captured on the photo

It's hard to tell if it is an orb or not. You have to not only go by the picture but be some gut instincts with how you feel in this part of your flat. You can also try to record some EVP's and see what happens.

Anyone ever stop to ask themselves why in the hell the spirit would appear as something that can be so easily replicated? something that is so very inconclusive? I find it to be a little odd is all. All that energy and you don't even bother to manifest into something interesting. He who wishes to cry supernatural, bears the burden of proof, not the skeptic so no one can really blame us for questioning something that is impossible to find real evidence for. And perhaps it has something to do with some sort of energy YES but a spirit? how can one jump to that conclusion?

Looks like a dust particle to me. However, it could possibly be an orb but I doubt it.

being a photo major at one piont i have similare pictures. it is really no more then the flash reflecting of the wall pper

There's a good possiblity that it could be a orb.

There not alot of the white orb like things so that cancels out dust or moisture that could in the air.

So there's a possibility it could that of the super natural or it could just be a bug.

"There not alot of the white orb like things so that cancels out dust or moisture that could in the air."


That is COMPLETELY false.

A single dust particle can indeed be captured, I can show an example if you like that I have, I shook a car cover that was dusty and took the photo and guess what.......one particle was captured.

Personally I also think it is light off of the wall. It does not look like an orb to me... either like the orbs I have seen in photos... or like the orbs I've scene in the basement where I used to work.

One of my reasonings behind thinking it to not be an orb is if you look carefully, it is doubled over itself, which to me gives the affect of a lens flare. Maybe that is only my photographer mind kicking in. I have been both photographer and digital artist for a photo company and have had to remove many things like this before.... I could be wrong though.

Very interesting pic , i 've seen orbs in my sons room and i believe they are there to protect him, so yes i could be there to protect your friend or as you said you have seen other things so it may have just been caught at the right time.

Thank you phoenixdarkraven for you said think the pproblem in many threads are that people read the question and don't stop to read the rest of the thread to see if the answer was well answered.
Most times people do what to put something supernatural where just good ole common sense would show hell this is about as natural was walking down the street. Or just the other way around yes see if it can be replicated..I would like to see if it can be replicated in the same fashion as the first picture meaning having all the same elements but to have someone else holding a date so we can see the differences.

Why would a ghost spirit choose to be seen right then is solely up to that spirit this ghost could have been in many pictures we havent seen and also might depend who the spirit and how they the spirit felt about what was going on.
This is a big IF here folks and a number of pictures taken by others turned out to be hoax's.
Never judge another by something someone else has done.
I would personally hate to have you on a jurior of my peers for fear that you would decide because another gay man was capable of something I must also be like that person..

Read the thread these people gave the answers long ago and well it is a shame they have to give repeat answers over and over again due to preconceived notions at all pictures of this kind are fakes.

i'll go with the lens flare assumption as well... looks alot like others i have seen

here are some pictures of other orbs that i found as well as a little info on them.

link

My opinion, not an orb! More like some have stated a glare, or possibly a particle of dust on the cam! Also could be a tiny scratch on the lens that the light caught just right!

looks like a glare to me..but anything is possible.

I've seen orbs before this doesn't look like on . Sorry but you asked.

Hmmmmmm......sounds like a case for Art Bell.....Coast to Coast AM.....but no...doesn't seem to be and orb

im not sure sometimes light and camera can effect upon other thing i think its a lens capture

I would have to go with orb. It looks really good by the way good orb.

there are plenty of causes for that orb of light. the light could be reflected off of the wall, there could dust on the camera lens, there could be a flare from the lense, the developer of the film could have done it with chemicals (my talent as a 1hr photolab technician), the light could have reflected off of the blade, or tons of other logical conclusions.

how comes when ever theres a bit of dust on the lense or somthing faulty with the camra people think orb...its a ghost. look on pictures u never know. one time my mum took a picture and at the photo shop thingy and well they put two pictures together does that mean me n my sister were at two different places at the same time no. it means that loads of things could of caused that. same for your picture.

i think that is an orb... one of my mates is a photo taker and when he was doing some work he took loads of pics of him with orbs and as i have seen them i honestly belive they are orbs

Possibly.then may be its dust on the lense.

something strange happens to images when you blow them up digitally:> they distort and surprise, that accounts for your "vapor trail". orb? no. lens flare or other photography anomaly? more than likely.

It look's like Dust on the lence or evev inside it to me, Ive seen an orb, it was nothing like the one in your pic...sorry ;)

As a Paranormal Investigator and one who has spent hours looking over photos. Just what liitle bit is here is this pic I would lean towards it is a orb pic.

thanks to all who have posted


and to all that have asked for the pic to be sent to them i will send it asap

thanks again

doesn't look like an orb, looks more like lens flare or some reflection.

having a degree in photography, i would have to say, judging from angles and shape, that it is a reflection of the flash off the clock on the wall behind you.

No way, this is not an orb....

I have to say, i've seen orbs before, and i know it doesn't look like one...This is why we've asked.

not an orb.

to me it doesnt seem like an orb, but who am i to say it isnt...

can i just ask people to say a lil more than just no its not or yes it is im looking tfor what people think not just people trying to put up there post rating

I don't think that the discussion is going to develop beyond yes or no at this stage.